“Not A Phrase I Thought Real People Said”: Mom Blows Up At Brother’s GF Over Breastfeeding
Interview With ExpertBreastfeeding is a natural process that allows babies to get the nutrients they need, boost their immune system, and strengthen child-parent bonding. It also helps the nursing parent to recover faster after birth and protects them against various health issues. However, such an innate gift is still quite a taboo subject for some people, especially when it’s done in public places.
One of them is redditor Born_Archer_9113’s brother’s girlfriend, who found it strange that she nursed her baby and even accused her of enjoying making her uncomfortable. This made the new mom extremely frustrated, which prompted the girlfriend to storm off.
Scroll down to find the full story and a conversation with international board-certified lactation consultant Leigh Anne O’Connor, who kindly agreed to answer a few questions on the topic.
Breastfeeding is a natural process that benefits both the nursing parent and the baby
Image credits: Sarah Chai/Pexels (not the actual photo)
However, this woman found public nursing uncomfortable and even shamed a new mom for it
Image credit: Born_Archer_9113
Nursing parents are protected by the law to peacefully feed their baby without needing to cover up or move elsewhere
Aversion to women’s bodies can be traced back to the ancient Greeks, writes the author of Inventing Baby Food: Taste, Health, and the Industrialization of the American Diet, Amy Bentley. However, it wasn’t until the 1950s and the rise of Playboy culture that women’s chests started to be viewed more as objects of desire and less as a source of food for infants.
The invention of baby formula and the promotion of scientific research claiming that it was better than mother’s milk (which fortunately has been disproven) further fostered people’s intolerance for breastfeeding. By the mid-20th century, most Americans had attached a sense of disgust to this natural process. Nursing in private and especially in public started to feel abnormal and destabilizing for women.
But even though the times have changed and nursing parents are protected by the law to peacefully feed their baby without needing to cover up or move elsewhere, people still can’t seem to completely shake off the shame and the sexual connotation. Women are still asked to leave public pools for breastfeeding and often receive inappropriate comments from colleagues or passersby. A Geoforum study uncovered that mothers who publicly breastfed risked being seen as bad parents, unattractive, lazy, lacking self-respect, and sexual aggressors.
International board-certified lactation consultant Leigh Anne O’Connor rationalizes that people who still shame nursing parents for breastfeeding in public may project the feelings they have about their own bodies. “Also, breastfeeding has been hidden for so long—putting breastmilk in bottles, going to “special” rooms to feed babies, wearing breastfeeding “burkas.”
Negative reactions from onlookers are one of the reasons why some women are hesitant to breastfeed in public. They feel embarrassed and as though they’re doing something illegal, while in truth they’re providing the nutrients their baby desperately needs.
Mothers don’t deserve the added pressure of feeling anxiety around feeding their children in public
“We urgently need the public to reframe their view of breastfeeding, so that it is understood as nutrition for babies, rather than a political or sexualised act by their parents,” urges Dr. Aimee Grant of Swansea University’s Center for Lactation. “This means that the public should not stare, tut or make negative comments about breastfeeding babies.”
“If she wants to breastfeed without covering up her chest? Then she should. If she wants to only breastfeed with a cloth covering her chest? Then she should. If she doesn’t want to breastfeed in public at all? Then that is alright! The point is that it should be based on her own will, not the pressure or judgement of others,” says Dr. Leila Hilal from Drexel University College of Medicine.
Some people need to understand that when a parent is nursing, 10 times out of 10 it’s simply to nourish the baby. It doesn’t have a hidden sexual agenda. It only means that their baby is hungry. Amidst their body changing, transitioning into parenthood, and adopting new responsibilities, mothers don’t need the added pressure of feeling anxiety around feeding their children in public.
It’s something women should feel confident and proud of doing. “If someone is willing to share their opinions, you have every right to also share yours,” says Emily Guarnotta, PsyD, a clinical psychologist. “It is always helpful to have a supportive person with you. Or to be with other breastfeeding parents—there is strength in numbers,” adds O’Connor.
Meanwhile, Saba Harouni Lurie, a licensed marriage and family therapist, suggests, “A helpful approach towards someone who seeks to shame you for breastfeeding in public could be: ‘I understand my breastfeeding is uncomfortable for you, however, I’m taking care of my child and you’re welcome to look away. By responding in this way you establish that you are not going to make any changes to your behavior in a cool and collected manner.”
To make breastfeeding less of a taboo topic, O’Connor urges to stop hiding and making ‘special’ places for parents to secretly feed their babies. “Normalize breastfeeding,” she proposes. “Educate all healthcare workers about breastfeeding. Have breastfed curriculum in high schools. Require ALL healthcare workers to be educated about breastfeeding. Stop using bottles as the image for feeding babies. Stop the marketing of formula, especially in low-income areas. Hospitals should not be giving away formula.”
The mom provided more details on the situation
Some readers agreed that the teenager was the problem
Meanwhile, others had more controversial opinions
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The trick is to look at how many upvotes the YTA answers had as compared to the NTA. 10.5k versus 10 is no contest.
Load More Replies...You know what I do if I see more that I want to? I go. She should just have taken a walk. NTA
It gets worse - my friend had an incredibly big baby and when he was 6, he looked like he was 10 and people expected him to behave that way. At 6, kids are not aware of their size or strength, so when the kids were rough housing, it could get dangerous. I would love to hear from OP again in a few years, after her child is in preschool and the teachers and other parents expect him to act his size and not his age. It doesn't get easier, but OP is not the AH.
I hear you! My kid was 4 weeks early and was on the 3rd percentile for weight at birth and the 25th for length. There's your first clue that my kid was always going to be tall! By the time he was 12 months old he was at the total opposite end of the growth charts! He GREW! He also had a speech delay so I had a 3 year old who looked like he was 6 but spoke like he was around 18 months old. We got a lot of funny looks when he was young! I can't help but think that the YTA crowd have no experience with babies at all, and definitely haven't got a clue just how tricky it can be to breastfeed a baby - no matter how young/old, big/small said baby is!
Load More Replies...I'm only being lenient because she is a teenager but my gosh she has some growing up to do. That's the nicest thing I will say.
They don't like each other, probably also for other reasons and a baby-problem is just an excuse to escalate on both sides. Hard to judge on this one knowing only one side of the story. I can imagine a scenario when OP is passive aggressive most of the time and the brother's girlfriend tried to deal with it until she couldn't. I have a feeling that there is a lot left out from the story.
Careful, trying to be balanced and imagine that there might well be another side to the story will get you downvoted to oblivion here. I agree that there's quite probably a little bit more to this story than has been stated but we're not in a position to judge that.
Load More Replies...Interfering in the parenting of other people is almost always deplorable, especially when you have absolutely no experience at all. GF needs to apologize. She made a big fuss about nothing. Making boyfriend's parents pay for a hotel so she didn't have to be near a baby? Super crazy.
I don’t believe the GF at all. I think this was a made-up “discomfort” because she wanted to stay at a hotel. I would bet money that it was even a discussion before she came with her BF. She never wanted to spend it with her BF’s family (what 19yo does btw, they’re all idiot kids).
Once again, I find a certain peace in reading these to learn, I could never and would never be around such horrible ridiculous people. The mom and brother not standing up and educating the idiot. She doesn't deserve an explanation. She's so rude to even believe she deserves such protection in this family's home. Never.
My firstborn weighed about 15 pounds by 12 mos, My second weighed 15 pounds by 3 mos. Being at opposite ends of the growth scale didn't change their needs and development - and I don't think it would have mattered if that baby had been a normal size or not. The girlfriend was clearly not comfortable around breastfeeding and should have just excused herself from the room.
Gf she can take a walk if bothered. However if it's becoming tense, maybe use another room for the time being? Play peace keep
ESH. OP could have explained that her son is younger than he looks, and maybe also found another chair to feed in when the "best" seat was taken. GF needs to put on her big girl panties, accept that breastfeeding is normal & natural, and if it bothers her, go to another room while it's happening. Also, mom shouldn't have to cover up; nipples are NOT obscene, dirty, or inherently sexual. You wouldn't eat your dinner under the blankets, so why should Baby?
I don't know if you ever had to hold a baby in a right position while breastfeeding them, but it gets really tiring even with small baby. In a case of a "giant" like this one, if there is chair with armrests in the perfect position? Yeah, that's a no brainer. And i don't get why anyone would begrudge the mom for it...
Load More Replies...this is a very controversial one because on the one hand its perfectly natural to breastfeed a baby on the other her attitude towards the brothers GF demanding her to get out of the chair and telling her to shut up. Just because you have a baby doesn't give you freedom to be an a*s to people. Yes you can decide where an when to feed your baby but people cant choose that it makes them uncomfortable. On the other hand the GF could have been more discreet had a word with the BF or even moved away from that area. i am gonna go with ESH because OP escalated things with her attitude and the brothers GF acted like a spoilt child.
"choose that it makes them uncomfortable." This is the same logic ppl used to shame gay people for just existing. Don"t use it as well. It is false. Just because YOU are uncomfortable it does not mean others have to cater to you. She was told to stfu because she needed to stfu.
Load More Replies...it depends on how she is feeding i breast fed both my kids but some women are very in your face about it even as a breast feeding mom they made me feel uncomfortable with how they behaved
I have 2 kids that I breastfed that are now teens. Idc what age people breastfeed until. As long as that kid isn’t asking for a boob, it’s cool. I agree that kid should also be on solids by now so the parent saying that milk is still the main food source is worrying but I’m not their Dr so whatever. Being a parent to teens though, YTA for asking the teen to move chairs so you can breastfeed. As someone who’s done it 1 million times, there are 1 million different places that you can sit and do it. The poster was trying to show power in this position wanted people to tell them that they were right.
Some babies aren't ready for solids until later. Mine was 11 months before she was ready for solids. 6 months recommendation is for purees. If you decide not to do purees and skip straight to solids, kids pick that up closer to 10 months. A baby that's been on solids for a month is getting maybe 25 percent of their nutrition from solids as they still aren't great at swallowing. Not saying op was right, just saying this isn't unusual for an 11 month old baby. The baby isn't really developmentally behind...
Load More Replies...My daughter was 60 cm (2 feet) long at birth and at 105th centile at 1 year. I breast fed her until she was 2 and a half. At no point was any boobage on display though as I'd wear a vest under a top so pull one up pull one down and baby's head fills the rest. People just thought I was cuddling her but I suppose if I'd told people I was feeding her they would have been offended despite not even seeing any of my milk wagons.
I had a co-worker who was still breastfeeding her son at 3 years old. I have to admit I was a little uncomfortable with the boy just walking over to her and pulling up her shirt to breastfeed. However this was 46 years ago and openly breastfeeding in public wasn't done very often. After wards my told me about seeing a child being old/tall enough to lean over his mom's shoulder to feed.
Im more in the boat of why was this girl whining about having to move when a guest in someone else's house. And also it's clearly not the first time OP has used said chair to feed so i would assume girl knows. I've been married to my husband for ten years and we live very close to his parents and we visit often but I would never WHINE if a family member asked me to move because they needed the chair for something more important than me parking my butt in it. Maybe that's just me..I dont know.
Frankly, as a mom who breastfed both of my children, I think OP was an A** simply because she let her dislike of the gf show. They both sound like two teenagers in high school vying for popularity. They both need to grow up. By 11 months, both of my girls were eating solids and learning to use a sippy cup.
I think that everyone has a right to be themselves to do whats best for them (and their children) and its nobodies place to tell them otherwise unless it actually harms someone
I weep over the disfunction in the families of people who write: My mom is staying neutral. She paid for girlfriend's hotel. There was another one, with an OP described "neutral dad" who told the OP to apologize to keep the peace. I see how people end up with "my boyfriend is great, he just won't spend his money on rent or food." or "My girlfriend is great, she just thinks my hobbies are juvenile so I can only play video games when she's out."
ITFP, I wonder what she meant about the baby misbehaving? It would have been different if they were at OPs house, but they were both guests at her folks. I wouldn't feel comfortable just whipping out my boob in front of my dad, brother, & a relative stranger. I don't know too many people that want to see that. Do it in the bedroom if you are unable to cover up at all
One of my friends had a giant for a baby. I don't know his actual measurements but at age 2 he looked like he should gave been in school. It caused her a lot of issues. I do remember at one point, I think the kid was 3 but was tall enough that he looked like he was 7, I had to ask how old he was as I hadn't seen them in a couple of months. What followed was a discussion of how much hate she was getting just going to the grocery store because people thought he should be in school.
I fed my babies all over the place with no issues. Thirty years ago. However the fashions then were big and baggy, I would just life my shirt from the bottom and the shirt itself would cover most everything. The fashions now are a lot more fitted and I see Moms opening the tops of their shirts for the babies to feed and you do kind of see a lot.
Now I'm wondering if I'm the a*****e for starting my child on solids at 9.5 months. Is it common for babies to still be solely breastfed at 11 months?
I started introducing my daughter to solids at 6 months. "Most babies are ready to start solids between the ages of 4 and 6 months, though experts recommend waiting until closer to 6 months in many cases. Solids aren't necessary early on — babies can meet all their nutritional needs for the first six months of life with breast milk, formula or a combination of the two." Source: American Academy of Pediatrics, Starting Solid Foods Opens a new window, August 2022.
Load More Replies...There's probably more to it than just moving out of the chair one time. SIL is not right to flip out, but babies are an assault on the senses if she's sensitive at all to sensory overload. Breastfed kids smell sour to me and I don't say anything, but do my best to stay away because it makes me nauseous. I can usually handle same room, but I can't ride in a car with one, I vomit. Diapers don't phase me, it's the kid. Yes I've heard the witch jokes, but there are other conditions that trigger the boak as well. Smell aside, all toddlers are loud, and chaotic, and take over whatever room they are in. They can't help it, that's what toddlers are, but it can be overwhelming, and it sounds like she hit her breaking point and wasn't getting help from her partner. She shouldnt been rude or given parenting advice. She's an adult capable of removing herself from the situation without drama. But family gatheringsnare brutal until the wains are weaned.
Pretty horrified anyone is on the gf's side and the son should've been told to take her home, not get a hotel paid for!
I do agree that by 11 months he should be on some solid foods, but the GF was still massive AH.
you can wear whatever you want and feed your child however you want but i really dislike people with babies trying to push others around for the sake of "the baby". OP made her brothers gf move chairs when she could have gone elsewhere. OP is in no way required to educate anyone about anything, but she's a bully over a chair
OP stated that was the only available chair that was comfortable enough because her sons size and weight.
Load More Replies...The trick is to look at how many upvotes the YTA answers had as compared to the NTA. 10.5k versus 10 is no contest.
Load More Replies...You know what I do if I see more that I want to? I go. She should just have taken a walk. NTA
It gets worse - my friend had an incredibly big baby and when he was 6, he looked like he was 10 and people expected him to behave that way. At 6, kids are not aware of their size or strength, so when the kids were rough housing, it could get dangerous. I would love to hear from OP again in a few years, after her child is in preschool and the teachers and other parents expect him to act his size and not his age. It doesn't get easier, but OP is not the AH.
I hear you! My kid was 4 weeks early and was on the 3rd percentile for weight at birth and the 25th for length. There's your first clue that my kid was always going to be tall! By the time he was 12 months old he was at the total opposite end of the growth charts! He GREW! He also had a speech delay so I had a 3 year old who looked like he was 6 but spoke like he was around 18 months old. We got a lot of funny looks when he was young! I can't help but think that the YTA crowd have no experience with babies at all, and definitely haven't got a clue just how tricky it can be to breastfeed a baby - no matter how young/old, big/small said baby is!
Load More Replies...I'm only being lenient because she is a teenager but my gosh she has some growing up to do. That's the nicest thing I will say.
They don't like each other, probably also for other reasons and a baby-problem is just an excuse to escalate on both sides. Hard to judge on this one knowing only one side of the story. I can imagine a scenario when OP is passive aggressive most of the time and the brother's girlfriend tried to deal with it until she couldn't. I have a feeling that there is a lot left out from the story.
Careful, trying to be balanced and imagine that there might well be another side to the story will get you downvoted to oblivion here. I agree that there's quite probably a little bit more to this story than has been stated but we're not in a position to judge that.
Load More Replies...Interfering in the parenting of other people is almost always deplorable, especially when you have absolutely no experience at all. GF needs to apologize. She made a big fuss about nothing. Making boyfriend's parents pay for a hotel so she didn't have to be near a baby? Super crazy.
I don’t believe the GF at all. I think this was a made-up “discomfort” because she wanted to stay at a hotel. I would bet money that it was even a discussion before she came with her BF. She never wanted to spend it with her BF’s family (what 19yo does btw, they’re all idiot kids).
Once again, I find a certain peace in reading these to learn, I could never and would never be around such horrible ridiculous people. The mom and brother not standing up and educating the idiot. She doesn't deserve an explanation. She's so rude to even believe she deserves such protection in this family's home. Never.
My firstborn weighed about 15 pounds by 12 mos, My second weighed 15 pounds by 3 mos. Being at opposite ends of the growth scale didn't change their needs and development - and I don't think it would have mattered if that baby had been a normal size or not. The girlfriend was clearly not comfortable around breastfeeding and should have just excused herself from the room.
Gf she can take a walk if bothered. However if it's becoming tense, maybe use another room for the time being? Play peace keep
ESH. OP could have explained that her son is younger than he looks, and maybe also found another chair to feed in when the "best" seat was taken. GF needs to put on her big girl panties, accept that breastfeeding is normal & natural, and if it bothers her, go to another room while it's happening. Also, mom shouldn't have to cover up; nipples are NOT obscene, dirty, or inherently sexual. You wouldn't eat your dinner under the blankets, so why should Baby?
I don't know if you ever had to hold a baby in a right position while breastfeeding them, but it gets really tiring even with small baby. In a case of a "giant" like this one, if there is chair with armrests in the perfect position? Yeah, that's a no brainer. And i don't get why anyone would begrudge the mom for it...
Load More Replies...this is a very controversial one because on the one hand its perfectly natural to breastfeed a baby on the other her attitude towards the brothers GF demanding her to get out of the chair and telling her to shut up. Just because you have a baby doesn't give you freedom to be an a*s to people. Yes you can decide where an when to feed your baby but people cant choose that it makes them uncomfortable. On the other hand the GF could have been more discreet had a word with the BF or even moved away from that area. i am gonna go with ESH because OP escalated things with her attitude and the brothers GF acted like a spoilt child.
"choose that it makes them uncomfortable." This is the same logic ppl used to shame gay people for just existing. Don"t use it as well. It is false. Just because YOU are uncomfortable it does not mean others have to cater to you. She was told to stfu because she needed to stfu.
Load More Replies...it depends on how she is feeding i breast fed both my kids but some women are very in your face about it even as a breast feeding mom they made me feel uncomfortable with how they behaved
I have 2 kids that I breastfed that are now teens. Idc what age people breastfeed until. As long as that kid isn’t asking for a boob, it’s cool. I agree that kid should also be on solids by now so the parent saying that milk is still the main food source is worrying but I’m not their Dr so whatever. Being a parent to teens though, YTA for asking the teen to move chairs so you can breastfeed. As someone who’s done it 1 million times, there are 1 million different places that you can sit and do it. The poster was trying to show power in this position wanted people to tell them that they were right.
Some babies aren't ready for solids until later. Mine was 11 months before she was ready for solids. 6 months recommendation is for purees. If you decide not to do purees and skip straight to solids, kids pick that up closer to 10 months. A baby that's been on solids for a month is getting maybe 25 percent of their nutrition from solids as they still aren't great at swallowing. Not saying op was right, just saying this isn't unusual for an 11 month old baby. The baby isn't really developmentally behind...
Load More Replies...My daughter was 60 cm (2 feet) long at birth and at 105th centile at 1 year. I breast fed her until she was 2 and a half. At no point was any boobage on display though as I'd wear a vest under a top so pull one up pull one down and baby's head fills the rest. People just thought I was cuddling her but I suppose if I'd told people I was feeding her they would have been offended despite not even seeing any of my milk wagons.
I had a co-worker who was still breastfeeding her son at 3 years old. I have to admit I was a little uncomfortable with the boy just walking over to her and pulling up her shirt to breastfeed. However this was 46 years ago and openly breastfeeding in public wasn't done very often. After wards my told me about seeing a child being old/tall enough to lean over his mom's shoulder to feed.
Im more in the boat of why was this girl whining about having to move when a guest in someone else's house. And also it's clearly not the first time OP has used said chair to feed so i would assume girl knows. I've been married to my husband for ten years and we live very close to his parents and we visit often but I would never WHINE if a family member asked me to move because they needed the chair for something more important than me parking my butt in it. Maybe that's just me..I dont know.
Frankly, as a mom who breastfed both of my children, I think OP was an A** simply because she let her dislike of the gf show. They both sound like two teenagers in high school vying for popularity. They both need to grow up. By 11 months, both of my girls were eating solids and learning to use a sippy cup.
I think that everyone has a right to be themselves to do whats best for them (and their children) and its nobodies place to tell them otherwise unless it actually harms someone
I weep over the disfunction in the families of people who write: My mom is staying neutral. She paid for girlfriend's hotel. There was another one, with an OP described "neutral dad" who told the OP to apologize to keep the peace. I see how people end up with "my boyfriend is great, he just won't spend his money on rent or food." or "My girlfriend is great, she just thinks my hobbies are juvenile so I can only play video games when she's out."
ITFP, I wonder what she meant about the baby misbehaving? It would have been different if they were at OPs house, but they were both guests at her folks. I wouldn't feel comfortable just whipping out my boob in front of my dad, brother, & a relative stranger. I don't know too many people that want to see that. Do it in the bedroom if you are unable to cover up at all
One of my friends had a giant for a baby. I don't know his actual measurements but at age 2 he looked like he should gave been in school. It caused her a lot of issues. I do remember at one point, I think the kid was 3 but was tall enough that he looked like he was 7, I had to ask how old he was as I hadn't seen them in a couple of months. What followed was a discussion of how much hate she was getting just going to the grocery store because people thought he should be in school.
I fed my babies all over the place with no issues. Thirty years ago. However the fashions then were big and baggy, I would just life my shirt from the bottom and the shirt itself would cover most everything. The fashions now are a lot more fitted and I see Moms opening the tops of their shirts for the babies to feed and you do kind of see a lot.
Now I'm wondering if I'm the a*****e for starting my child on solids at 9.5 months. Is it common for babies to still be solely breastfed at 11 months?
I started introducing my daughter to solids at 6 months. "Most babies are ready to start solids between the ages of 4 and 6 months, though experts recommend waiting until closer to 6 months in many cases. Solids aren't necessary early on — babies can meet all their nutritional needs for the first six months of life with breast milk, formula or a combination of the two." Source: American Academy of Pediatrics, Starting Solid Foods Opens a new window, August 2022.
Load More Replies...There's probably more to it than just moving out of the chair one time. SIL is not right to flip out, but babies are an assault on the senses if she's sensitive at all to sensory overload. Breastfed kids smell sour to me and I don't say anything, but do my best to stay away because it makes me nauseous. I can usually handle same room, but I can't ride in a car with one, I vomit. Diapers don't phase me, it's the kid. Yes I've heard the witch jokes, but there are other conditions that trigger the boak as well. Smell aside, all toddlers are loud, and chaotic, and take over whatever room they are in. They can't help it, that's what toddlers are, but it can be overwhelming, and it sounds like she hit her breaking point and wasn't getting help from her partner. She shouldnt been rude or given parenting advice. She's an adult capable of removing herself from the situation without drama. But family gatheringsnare brutal until the wains are weaned.
Pretty horrified anyone is on the gf's side and the son should've been told to take her home, not get a hotel paid for!
I do agree that by 11 months he should be on some solid foods, but the GF was still massive AH.
you can wear whatever you want and feed your child however you want but i really dislike people with babies trying to push others around for the sake of "the baby". OP made her brothers gf move chairs when she could have gone elsewhere. OP is in no way required to educate anyone about anything, but she's a bully over a chair
OP stated that was the only available chair that was comfortable enough because her sons size and weight.
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