Woman Prohibits MIL From Taking Her 9 Y.O. Daughter To Church “Purity Ball,” Gets Called A Jerk
There is a good reason why most folks avoid the three evils of debate: politics, religion, and music. Sure, it can make for a good and meaningful conversation—one that you’d walk away from having learned something—but more often than not, it ends in tears. At the very least.
The same happens with religious family members who refuse to read the room and adapt to changing societal norms that are ever so slightly turning individualistic. And that, among many other things, means that people don’t enjoy convictions being shoved down their throats.
And a Redditor shared a story of theirs that has the theme of convictions being shoved down their throat written all over it.
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There’s only so much a person can tolerate on a religious level until they are forced to draw the line, and the people behind that line get offended
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Back in 2020, Reddit user u/ashley-indigo shared a conundrum on the r/AITA subreddit that she needed some perspective on.
Ashley has a 9-year-old daughter named Tess who has gone to church with her mother-in-law on several occasions since she was little. While Ashley never took fondly to religion or its folk—even more so since the mother-in-law is an “aggressive Baptist”—she understood the importance of letting her girl bond with grandma.
There’s also an added bonus of having free time on Sundays. But that’s beside the point.
A mother drew the line prohibiting her mother-in-law to take her 9-year-old daughter to a “purity ball”, which in turn made the MIL angry
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Because of the raging pandemic, religious services went online, and so Tess would often go to grandma’s place and set up the laptop for them to watch. She also joined the Zoom calls for girls’ Sunday school.
Following one such visit to grandma, Tess came home, babbling something about a “ball” and how she was going to go shopping with grandma for it. At that point, OP thought nothing of it—probably just a child imagining things—but then she heard her hubby say something about a $50 budget. Confusion kicked in, so questions ensued.
The author of the post explained that she wasn’t against her daughter taking part in the local church’s activities together with her mother-in-law
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One quick back-and-forth later, she found out the Sunday school Tess frequented was having a “purity ball” for 10 to 14-year-olds. Not only was it problematic because of the raging pandemic, but also because OP was of the opinion that purity ideals are just plain toxic to girls.
The husband elaborated that his sister went to the ball and it was this fun thing, “not a big deal.” This is where OP started fuming, and explained her position on “purity,” despite the hubby explaining that he wasn’t trying to hide this from OP, saying he thought she already knew, she was suspicious of him.
Unbeknownst to her, though, the mother-in-law also had plans to sign the daughter up for a purity ball, which the mother did not like one bit
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What was worse was that the husband seemed to have been lowkey hiding this from the mother
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OP picked up her phone and texted the mother-in-law asking about it. MIL hadn’t yet signed Tess up for the ball, but was planning on it. OP put her foot down and forbade her from doing that, which in turn spawned the usual litany of push-back from the religious mother-in-law in the form of calling her promiscuous and a poor parent.
“[Am I the jerk] for forbidding the ‘purity ball’? The only reason I could be the asshole is I unilaterally decided against my husband’s input, and I think Tess will be disappointed,” concluded OP.
Folks online saw no blame in the mom, but her husband and the mother-in-law were out of line
The post drew quite a bit of attention, amounting to nearly 18,000 upvotes (with 96% of which positive… in terms of feedback, not positive for COVID, don’t worry) and over 45 Reddit awards. And the community ruled that OP is not wrong in this situation.
There was one commenter who ruled that everyone sucks here—because OP mentioned how she enjoyed adult time on Sundays—but apart from that, it was all the blame on the husband and the mother-in-law.
Some said that the husband was to blame for supposedly hiding this bit of info, like OP had suspected. Others pointed fingers at the mother-in-law, suspecting that she’s alienating the daughter from the mother based on how MIL claimed OP’s a bad influence on her husband, who’s her son. This is besides the several people pointing out how creepy purity balls can be, let alone psychologically damaging.
You can check out the full post in context here, but not without sharing your take on the situation, or purity balls, or anything else you see fit in the comment section below!
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Share on FacebookNTA. Purity balls are a gross way to sexualize children or ostracize them. I was once told by a church member that a sexual assault I faced as a child meant I was impure and that I didn't have much to bring a husband. I was EIGHT. These things teach girls that sex is shameful and that is their only worth.
Boys are listening while adults trot all this sexist, raped c**p.
Load More Replies...How about buying a nice dress anyway, and taking her out to a fancy restaurant instead? Simply exchange a questionable occasion for a nicer one.
If she has friends her age at church who already bought dresses for this event maybe you could have your own fancy ball type party at your house. Kind of like how people made their own prom at home during Covid
Load More Replies...I'm a Baptist, and while I've heard of a Purity ball, I do NOT agree with them. We don't need MORE of the Christian Taliban trope, thank you, and this just adds to it. And at nine years old?!? Gross!!
🤮🤮🤮 I’m guessing they don’t give a s**t about boys’ “purity?” So disgusting on so many levels…
That's what I'm saying! I'm a very strict member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I do very much believe in chastity before marriage but we've always been taught equally strict rules for boys and girls. Also the idea of a purity ball I feel is putting ideas into kids heads who are likely not even thinking about that stuff anyway, esp at 9, defeating the whole purpose anyway. And talk about sexualizing young girls. Gross.
Load More Replies...a) men made the rules b) the old lock and key myth
Load More Replies...Since she has already gotten excited about dress shopping, why don't you go ahead with that part of the plan but then you and your hubby take her someplace nice, like a dinner or show/movie?
Great plan, a parent-daughters night out, maybe a restaurant with a little dance floor??? treating her special bc she is a special person and not a future wife, birthing machine, whatever. Just a really nice girl.
Load More Replies...NTA. Religious decisions have to be approved by both parents. My personal opinion is that these balls always feel creepy and delusional
I agree. And there whole “purity” thing is solely aimed at girls. They don’t do anything for boys regarding abstinence, apparently.
Load More Replies...Wtf is a ‘purity’ ball are they seriously sexualising little kids???? 🤮
Yep. By the same people that get bent out if shape if a teacher is gay or if a book happens to have a G rated same sex couple.
Load More Replies...As someone who was dragged to religious groups for kids in my youth (no asking the parents; they just got a bunch of kids on these buses collected from the neighbourhood, drove them to a small church & expected every kid to participate & behave), this whole “purity” thing seems dodgy. That’s probably where the indoctrination begins & then the poor kids are expected to carry on or else be threatened with “excommunication” & all sorts. Even if you want your child to have a little faith, it has to be consentual on all sides & the child should know what he/she is really getting involved in. Definitely don’t agree with the MIL trying to do that without the mother’s knowledge or consent. 😐
Ok going to say it again just divorce already. Husband is Mommies little tart and does s**t behind wife's back. Relationship will not last like this and he will side with Mom. Also Church should not allow anyone to sign someone else's progeny to anything. Don't give two c**p if she is her Grandmother she is not a parent or legal guardian.
Perhaps over time the mother could take the little girl to a number of different churches, synagogs, mosques, temples, and so forth so the child could see that there are different points of view. Then the child would be able to make an informed decision if she later decides religion is the way to go.
I love this idea, have my one (million) upvotes!!
Load More Replies..."I really liked sundays to smoke weed and play video games with my husband". Seriously?! You'd let your daughter get indoctrinated by a religion with views that you're against so you can get high?! And isn't that against the standards of your husband's upbringing? My husband is a Christian and I am atheist. I would not mind him teaching them about his religion, but I would want to be there every step of the way to know whats being put in their head and I also disagreed when he opted for a Christian school. Religion should be taught by parents and not by school or by anyone else in my opinion. Having your kid brainwashed by your MIL so you can get some down time is very selfish!
OP said it all started because her husband wanted his daughter to have the bonding time with his mother - that Sunday morning alone with hubby was just an extra perk she realized afterwards. I wonder if your response would be so strong (regarding the alone time) if she said they sipped wine while playing video games?
Load More Replies...I am a lifelong christian, dedicated to my faith, active in my church, all in, love Jesus. And I can't say it loudly enough - **church purity culture screwed up an entire generation of girls**. It seems like harmless fun, maybe was well intended ? , but the 2 underlying messages to girls are: (1) if you have sex you're dirty and no one will want you, and (2) it's your responsibility to ensure boys don't lust over you by dressing appropriately. Their inappropriate thoughts and behavior are likely your fault. (The boys of course weren't taught anything like this. They just got together and played basketball.) Thankfully the churches I've been in the last 20 years don't have anything to do with this bs, and they'll call it out as spiritual abuse. But it's really sad to hear that it's still out there.
I think OP should have gathered more information about the church and teachings and habbits at sundayschool beforehand. Now her child is all exited and will be disappointed and probably has friends at sundayschool who all get to go. This could easily have been prevented. I also don't like the idea of a purityball and wouldn't want my child to go, but i do feel sad for the daughter who's put in this situation.
And what more "information could possibly excuse calling women and girls sluts while boys get laughed off with c**p like, boys will be boys?
Load More Replies...Ugh, definitely on the mother's side here. That whole "purity culture" nonsense is incredibly backwards and harmful. Next the grandma would probably have tried to get the kid to wear one of those promise rings or whatever the hell they're called.
Wait why is the title "gets called a jerk?" Other Redditors seem to agree with her choice!
probably meant she gets called a jerk by her husband and MIL. they've since changed the title though
Load More Replies...No more church with grandma and op has some work to do on teaching her daughter critical thinking about religion.
Purity Balls are weird.. but I would let the daughter go since she was already told she could. This mother can’t have her cake and eat it too. She enjoys her Sundays being child free so she can smoke weed and play video games all day (she commented this 🙄). If she doesn’t want her child involved in the church with grandma, watch your kid on Sundays and every other day.
A purity ball? Seriously? a woman’s value does not have anything to do with being a virgin or pure, and respectfully, in my opinion, with being married.
A purity ball? That’s creepy enough. But making a promise to your FATHER (caps for emphasis). That is just sick. And she’s only 9 years old. Why are they even addressing this subject at that age. That entire issue is not for public consumption. It’s private and it’s a choice. By the time she does get married I foresee issues with sex. Even though it would be with her husband. It’s already been impressed on them that “Good girls don’t do it”. That’s the only part they’ll hear. MIL is brainwashing her at a very impressionable age. Hubby should never have hidden it. He did because he knew you’d be upset. Yep. Let’s get it all set up to the point where you can’t put an end to it without being the bad guy. What you guys were doing with your Sunday time makes his view rather hypocritical. But that’s just me.
One wonders if there is an equitable occasion for the young "men" of the congregation - to teach them that the young ladies are not there for their sport. Are they taught to observe the sanctity of the girls' person, and what "no" means? Or is it the good ol' boys system ... if a girl gets molested, then she must have done something wrong. At 8 ... 9 ... 10.
I was falsely accused of a sexual comment when I was 14, by another girl who was a known liar. I was kicked out of that cult by the 9 "elders" who chose to deny my side of the story, which I didn't even know about until their "inquisition". It was the major blessing in my life to be free of religion and I NEVER went back. My cruel father beat me into a coma for telling the truth. He wanted me to lie and accept punishment so he could retain his position as an elder. To this day, I absolutely will not discuss religion, politics, sexuality issues. I was that horribly, emotionally wounded.
From outside USA it's amazing to see how the religious bigots are rasing their ugly heads.
I think this mother and her husband need to have a serious conversation about boundaries with Howe mother in law. As her daughter gets older, she will really start picking up on what the church is teaching their congregation. If she doesn’t agree with their teachings then they need to draw that line now.
You let her go to church but not a church function? What do you think they teach in church?? And you’re going to not let her go to a ball that’s she’s excited about but you’ll let her listen to the messages consistently every Sunday? I think you’re self centered to be honest.
I'm wondering if commenters here read the mom's comment where she said she allowed her daughter to go to church with her grandmother on Sundays, so she and her husband could smoke weed and play video games? FFS, everyone sucks in this story, except the little girl. You want alone time, fine, I get it, but get a babysitter or something. Now your daughter is into church activities because YOU allowed it, and now you're finally pitching a fit? And yeah, purity balls are bull s**t.
Load More Replies...When they start including boys in the purity balls and purity rings i might change my mind . But indoctrination into this purity ideal at 10 is a way to give girls the wrong idea about sex. It's ok for the boys to have sex and enjoy it but girls must stay pure for their huabands. Yeah creep as hell
NTA one single bit. You are the parent and what your MIL is doing is GROOMING your daughter to be an obedient woman at her freaky Christian church. I understand that letting your daughter do something to bond with her grandma is a good thing. Next Sunday, go with them and see what its all about so you can actually say what details you are not comfortable with. Then talk to your daughter about your concerns and get her take on it…what she's adopted as belief, or if its just entertainment. Then, when you've gathered evidence for your (spot-on in my book) instincts, get on the same page with your husband and tell the MIL she can take her to a park, a museum, afternoon tea, a hike for bonding instead of the freaky church with Purity Balls. Don't mince words, tell her it goes against YOUR beliefs and you are the parents.
We never did the purity ball thing at our church as a kid, but we did get the rose speech, where they pass around the rose and I think in this case everyone took a petal, the idea being that the rose represents your "purity" and every time you do something sexual outside of marriage is another petal or another bruise on the rose. By the end the rose wasn't exactly very rosy, which was the point. Let me tell you, that mind set completely messed up my thinking around relationships and my role in them.
Isn't a ball a dance? Who do they dance with? And don't the Baptists view dancing as one step away from sex? Why aren't the boys required to be pure for their bride? Would the boys promise their virginity to their mothers? Gross is a good word to describe this. Yuk.
Y'all all the ah. The father for keeping it a secret and acting like he got no input in his daughters life. The mil for calling you unfit and keeping it a secret. And you for not even asking her input at all. She may be a devout Baptist she may love God she may want to go to a purity ball. You don't know. N for some reason I always have to defend my opinion so here we go. I'm a 32f black Catholic my father is a Baptist preacher my mother is a Jehovah's witness my husband believes in a higher power and my gma is pentecostal (spelling idk it's the ones that dance with snakes). I have 5 kids the oldest 3 believe in higher power and the younger 2 believe in a bottle 🍼 (8m and 36 weeks pregnant). Now my point is let them choose what they want. Maybe attend a service with her.
Purity Culture: A belief system that places a higher value on what a woman has or has not done with what she has between her legs than what she does with what she has between her ears and holds in her heart.
NTA!!! If anyone wants more info on Purity Balls and why they are so freaking creepy, go listen to one of the first episodes of The Dollop Podcast where they do a whole episode on them.
Op is an AH for letting her girl be indoctrinated with a religion she seems to know nothing about and not discussing this with her husband beforehand. They should have decided at the beginning how they are going to raise the girl. Mil should have found a different type of bonding ( baking cookies? Gardening?). And she let this happen so that she could smoke weed? Wtf.
The idea of purity whittles down girls into thinking that them being virgins or "pure" is the only thing that gives them value. Putting on balls and handing out purity rings essentially forces them to give up something they haven't even experienced yet and will only lead to unjust feelings of guilt later in life when they begin experiencing their sexuality.
The Dollop podcast did an episode about purity balls. I grew up going to church, but I'd never heard of them until then. They sound disgusting. There are incestuous undertones to the idea, since basically it means a girl's vagina belongs to her parents (mostly to dad) until marriage, also implying that she's property while at the same time sexualizing children. That it's a fun little party just normalizes the whole thing to young minds. Purity balls need to be outlawed. If you want her to actually have some 'innocent' fun, let her dress up and take her to Chuck E Cheese with some friends.
OP messed up by not paying attention to her daughter's church activities sooner. Since she was busy smoking weed and playing video games, she didn't notice what other c**p they're indoctrinating her daughter with.
I had never heard of a purity ball before reading this post. What on god's green earth is the reason for this? It sounds like a way to teach little girls that their "virginity" is the only thing about them that has any value. Kudos to the OP for refusing to allow this fanatic MIL to subject her daughter to this backward thinking. It's sick.
Unfortunately, and the poster seems to have come to this conclusion as well, this is just the beginning of the issues that will crop up if the child continues to attend church with her grandma. There really is no way to compromise on this. We had to say no to our in-laws on this. They are sad about it, but respect our wishes. We have always told them that our kids are free to choose now that they are old enough to explore and make an informed decision. If your faith can not stand introspection and questioning, if it must indoctrinate children from birth in order to survive, it is unhealthy. One could even call it abusive. This concept of "purity" is not about abstinence or consent. It is about brainwashing girls to deny their own autonomy as women. I wouldn't let my child be involved with anyone in this church, even outside of church activities.
Don't let your children be groomed into religious hate, bigotry, misogyny and lies. Run far, run fast from the christian nuttery in America today. The southern baptist's just published a 200 page list of all the pedophiles they found running their churches and I haven't talked about the catholic church and their priests. Talk about groomers.
NTA - If you have contact details for other parents of Sunday school children, I would suggest emailing them with your concerns re sexualisation and the long-term damage of purity culture, and suggest all of you get togeather for a "Your body belongs to you" Joy Party instead, where the kids can dress up and dance without negative messages. If no one's interested, invite other friends instead. Also, no church without parents - if you don't attend, you don't know what sort of intolerance, bigotry, self-hate and shame is being taught. I would make a point of taking the kid to a couple of services at a number of different faiths - look for Unitarian Universalist, Islamic, Jewish, Budhist and Hindu places of worship, and ask permission to attend a few times with the kid, and buy her a book of the myth/stories of each. Give her the experience of communities of other faiths, to offset the feeling that the particular brand of christianity she has any monopoly on truth, faith or community.
Maybe because i was in z pretty good chruch,but purity ball was fun for me. I didn't feel like i was being brainwash. Or sexualixed. Then again my parents talked about the birds and the bees when i was young so i knew how to be safe. I think the idea of keeping yourself pure(not having sex outside of marraige) is a good thing. As a result ive never gotten pregnat or deal with the emotional distress (i have a habbit of getting attached easily). Its nice to think that a guy is willing to wait till marriage to be intimate. It makes me feel like a person not a tool (i use to be used a lot growing up by so called friends nothing sexual thank god but still hurt) but ya i think everyones the a**hole. Mom for letting her daughter go to something she didnt agree with. There are many other ways to bond and have alone time then church if you dont want her to go. And husband for keeping this a secret. Not to mention MIL for going against parents wishes persay.
I'm not sure "your only value is being a virgin on your wedding night" is really the message that should be getting taught. If you chose to be, good for you, but the social shaming and indoctrination behind such events is gross.
Load More Replies...NTA. Purity balls are a gross way to sexualize children or ostracize them. I was once told by a church member that a sexual assault I faced as a child meant I was impure and that I didn't have much to bring a husband. I was EIGHT. These things teach girls that sex is shameful and that is their only worth.
Boys are listening while adults trot all this sexist, raped c**p.
Load More Replies...How about buying a nice dress anyway, and taking her out to a fancy restaurant instead? Simply exchange a questionable occasion for a nicer one.
If she has friends her age at church who already bought dresses for this event maybe you could have your own fancy ball type party at your house. Kind of like how people made their own prom at home during Covid
Load More Replies...I'm a Baptist, and while I've heard of a Purity ball, I do NOT agree with them. We don't need MORE of the Christian Taliban trope, thank you, and this just adds to it. And at nine years old?!? Gross!!
🤮🤮🤮 I’m guessing they don’t give a s**t about boys’ “purity?” So disgusting on so many levels…
That's what I'm saying! I'm a very strict member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I do very much believe in chastity before marriage but we've always been taught equally strict rules for boys and girls. Also the idea of a purity ball I feel is putting ideas into kids heads who are likely not even thinking about that stuff anyway, esp at 9, defeating the whole purpose anyway. And talk about sexualizing young girls. Gross.
Load More Replies...a) men made the rules b) the old lock and key myth
Load More Replies...Since she has already gotten excited about dress shopping, why don't you go ahead with that part of the plan but then you and your hubby take her someplace nice, like a dinner or show/movie?
Great plan, a parent-daughters night out, maybe a restaurant with a little dance floor??? treating her special bc she is a special person and not a future wife, birthing machine, whatever. Just a really nice girl.
Load More Replies...NTA. Religious decisions have to be approved by both parents. My personal opinion is that these balls always feel creepy and delusional
I agree. And there whole “purity” thing is solely aimed at girls. They don’t do anything for boys regarding abstinence, apparently.
Load More Replies...Wtf is a ‘purity’ ball are they seriously sexualising little kids???? 🤮
Yep. By the same people that get bent out if shape if a teacher is gay or if a book happens to have a G rated same sex couple.
Load More Replies...As someone who was dragged to religious groups for kids in my youth (no asking the parents; they just got a bunch of kids on these buses collected from the neighbourhood, drove them to a small church & expected every kid to participate & behave), this whole “purity” thing seems dodgy. That’s probably where the indoctrination begins & then the poor kids are expected to carry on or else be threatened with “excommunication” & all sorts. Even if you want your child to have a little faith, it has to be consentual on all sides & the child should know what he/she is really getting involved in. Definitely don’t agree with the MIL trying to do that without the mother’s knowledge or consent. 😐
Ok going to say it again just divorce already. Husband is Mommies little tart and does s**t behind wife's back. Relationship will not last like this and he will side with Mom. Also Church should not allow anyone to sign someone else's progeny to anything. Don't give two c**p if she is her Grandmother she is not a parent or legal guardian.
Perhaps over time the mother could take the little girl to a number of different churches, synagogs, mosques, temples, and so forth so the child could see that there are different points of view. Then the child would be able to make an informed decision if she later decides religion is the way to go.
I love this idea, have my one (million) upvotes!!
Load More Replies..."I really liked sundays to smoke weed and play video games with my husband". Seriously?! You'd let your daughter get indoctrinated by a religion with views that you're against so you can get high?! And isn't that against the standards of your husband's upbringing? My husband is a Christian and I am atheist. I would not mind him teaching them about his religion, but I would want to be there every step of the way to know whats being put in their head and I also disagreed when he opted for a Christian school. Religion should be taught by parents and not by school or by anyone else in my opinion. Having your kid brainwashed by your MIL so you can get some down time is very selfish!
OP said it all started because her husband wanted his daughter to have the bonding time with his mother - that Sunday morning alone with hubby was just an extra perk she realized afterwards. I wonder if your response would be so strong (regarding the alone time) if she said they sipped wine while playing video games?
Load More Replies...I am a lifelong christian, dedicated to my faith, active in my church, all in, love Jesus. And I can't say it loudly enough - **church purity culture screwed up an entire generation of girls**. It seems like harmless fun, maybe was well intended ? , but the 2 underlying messages to girls are: (1) if you have sex you're dirty and no one will want you, and (2) it's your responsibility to ensure boys don't lust over you by dressing appropriately. Their inappropriate thoughts and behavior are likely your fault. (The boys of course weren't taught anything like this. They just got together and played basketball.) Thankfully the churches I've been in the last 20 years don't have anything to do with this bs, and they'll call it out as spiritual abuse. But it's really sad to hear that it's still out there.
I think OP should have gathered more information about the church and teachings and habbits at sundayschool beforehand. Now her child is all exited and will be disappointed and probably has friends at sundayschool who all get to go. This could easily have been prevented. I also don't like the idea of a purityball and wouldn't want my child to go, but i do feel sad for the daughter who's put in this situation.
And what more "information could possibly excuse calling women and girls sluts while boys get laughed off with c**p like, boys will be boys?
Load More Replies...Ugh, definitely on the mother's side here. That whole "purity culture" nonsense is incredibly backwards and harmful. Next the grandma would probably have tried to get the kid to wear one of those promise rings or whatever the hell they're called.
Wait why is the title "gets called a jerk?" Other Redditors seem to agree with her choice!
probably meant she gets called a jerk by her husband and MIL. they've since changed the title though
Load More Replies...No more church with grandma and op has some work to do on teaching her daughter critical thinking about religion.
Purity Balls are weird.. but I would let the daughter go since she was already told she could. This mother can’t have her cake and eat it too. She enjoys her Sundays being child free so she can smoke weed and play video games all day (she commented this 🙄). If she doesn’t want her child involved in the church with grandma, watch your kid on Sundays and every other day.
A purity ball? Seriously? a woman’s value does not have anything to do with being a virgin or pure, and respectfully, in my opinion, with being married.
A purity ball? That’s creepy enough. But making a promise to your FATHER (caps for emphasis). That is just sick. And she’s only 9 years old. Why are they even addressing this subject at that age. That entire issue is not for public consumption. It’s private and it’s a choice. By the time she does get married I foresee issues with sex. Even though it would be with her husband. It’s already been impressed on them that “Good girls don’t do it”. That’s the only part they’ll hear. MIL is brainwashing her at a very impressionable age. Hubby should never have hidden it. He did because he knew you’d be upset. Yep. Let’s get it all set up to the point where you can’t put an end to it without being the bad guy. What you guys were doing with your Sunday time makes his view rather hypocritical. But that’s just me.
One wonders if there is an equitable occasion for the young "men" of the congregation - to teach them that the young ladies are not there for their sport. Are they taught to observe the sanctity of the girls' person, and what "no" means? Or is it the good ol' boys system ... if a girl gets molested, then she must have done something wrong. At 8 ... 9 ... 10.
I was falsely accused of a sexual comment when I was 14, by another girl who was a known liar. I was kicked out of that cult by the 9 "elders" who chose to deny my side of the story, which I didn't even know about until their "inquisition". It was the major blessing in my life to be free of religion and I NEVER went back. My cruel father beat me into a coma for telling the truth. He wanted me to lie and accept punishment so he could retain his position as an elder. To this day, I absolutely will not discuss religion, politics, sexuality issues. I was that horribly, emotionally wounded.
From outside USA it's amazing to see how the religious bigots are rasing their ugly heads.
I think this mother and her husband need to have a serious conversation about boundaries with Howe mother in law. As her daughter gets older, she will really start picking up on what the church is teaching their congregation. If she doesn’t agree with their teachings then they need to draw that line now.
You let her go to church but not a church function? What do you think they teach in church?? And you’re going to not let her go to a ball that’s she’s excited about but you’ll let her listen to the messages consistently every Sunday? I think you’re self centered to be honest.
I'm wondering if commenters here read the mom's comment where she said she allowed her daughter to go to church with her grandmother on Sundays, so she and her husband could smoke weed and play video games? FFS, everyone sucks in this story, except the little girl. You want alone time, fine, I get it, but get a babysitter or something. Now your daughter is into church activities because YOU allowed it, and now you're finally pitching a fit? And yeah, purity balls are bull s**t.
Load More Replies...When they start including boys in the purity balls and purity rings i might change my mind . But indoctrination into this purity ideal at 10 is a way to give girls the wrong idea about sex. It's ok for the boys to have sex and enjoy it but girls must stay pure for their huabands. Yeah creep as hell
NTA one single bit. You are the parent and what your MIL is doing is GROOMING your daughter to be an obedient woman at her freaky Christian church. I understand that letting your daughter do something to bond with her grandma is a good thing. Next Sunday, go with them and see what its all about so you can actually say what details you are not comfortable with. Then talk to your daughter about your concerns and get her take on it…what she's adopted as belief, or if its just entertainment. Then, when you've gathered evidence for your (spot-on in my book) instincts, get on the same page with your husband and tell the MIL she can take her to a park, a museum, afternoon tea, a hike for bonding instead of the freaky church with Purity Balls. Don't mince words, tell her it goes against YOUR beliefs and you are the parents.
We never did the purity ball thing at our church as a kid, but we did get the rose speech, where they pass around the rose and I think in this case everyone took a petal, the idea being that the rose represents your "purity" and every time you do something sexual outside of marriage is another petal or another bruise on the rose. By the end the rose wasn't exactly very rosy, which was the point. Let me tell you, that mind set completely messed up my thinking around relationships and my role in them.
Isn't a ball a dance? Who do they dance with? And don't the Baptists view dancing as one step away from sex? Why aren't the boys required to be pure for their bride? Would the boys promise their virginity to their mothers? Gross is a good word to describe this. Yuk.
Y'all all the ah. The father for keeping it a secret and acting like he got no input in his daughters life. The mil for calling you unfit and keeping it a secret. And you for not even asking her input at all. She may be a devout Baptist she may love God she may want to go to a purity ball. You don't know. N for some reason I always have to defend my opinion so here we go. I'm a 32f black Catholic my father is a Baptist preacher my mother is a Jehovah's witness my husband believes in a higher power and my gma is pentecostal (spelling idk it's the ones that dance with snakes). I have 5 kids the oldest 3 believe in higher power and the younger 2 believe in a bottle 🍼 (8m and 36 weeks pregnant). Now my point is let them choose what they want. Maybe attend a service with her.
Purity Culture: A belief system that places a higher value on what a woman has or has not done with what she has between her legs than what she does with what she has between her ears and holds in her heart.
NTA!!! If anyone wants more info on Purity Balls and why they are so freaking creepy, go listen to one of the first episodes of The Dollop Podcast where they do a whole episode on them.
Op is an AH for letting her girl be indoctrinated with a religion she seems to know nothing about and not discussing this with her husband beforehand. They should have decided at the beginning how they are going to raise the girl. Mil should have found a different type of bonding ( baking cookies? Gardening?). And she let this happen so that she could smoke weed? Wtf.
The idea of purity whittles down girls into thinking that them being virgins or "pure" is the only thing that gives them value. Putting on balls and handing out purity rings essentially forces them to give up something they haven't even experienced yet and will only lead to unjust feelings of guilt later in life when they begin experiencing their sexuality.
The Dollop podcast did an episode about purity balls. I grew up going to church, but I'd never heard of them until then. They sound disgusting. There are incestuous undertones to the idea, since basically it means a girl's vagina belongs to her parents (mostly to dad) until marriage, also implying that she's property while at the same time sexualizing children. That it's a fun little party just normalizes the whole thing to young minds. Purity balls need to be outlawed. If you want her to actually have some 'innocent' fun, let her dress up and take her to Chuck E Cheese with some friends.
OP messed up by not paying attention to her daughter's church activities sooner. Since she was busy smoking weed and playing video games, she didn't notice what other c**p they're indoctrinating her daughter with.
I had never heard of a purity ball before reading this post. What on god's green earth is the reason for this? It sounds like a way to teach little girls that their "virginity" is the only thing about them that has any value. Kudos to the OP for refusing to allow this fanatic MIL to subject her daughter to this backward thinking. It's sick.
Unfortunately, and the poster seems to have come to this conclusion as well, this is just the beginning of the issues that will crop up if the child continues to attend church with her grandma. There really is no way to compromise on this. We had to say no to our in-laws on this. They are sad about it, but respect our wishes. We have always told them that our kids are free to choose now that they are old enough to explore and make an informed decision. If your faith can not stand introspection and questioning, if it must indoctrinate children from birth in order to survive, it is unhealthy. One could even call it abusive. This concept of "purity" is not about abstinence or consent. It is about brainwashing girls to deny their own autonomy as women. I wouldn't let my child be involved with anyone in this church, even outside of church activities.
Don't let your children be groomed into religious hate, bigotry, misogyny and lies. Run far, run fast from the christian nuttery in America today. The southern baptist's just published a 200 page list of all the pedophiles they found running their churches and I haven't talked about the catholic church and their priests. Talk about groomers.
NTA - If you have contact details for other parents of Sunday school children, I would suggest emailing them with your concerns re sexualisation and the long-term damage of purity culture, and suggest all of you get togeather for a "Your body belongs to you" Joy Party instead, where the kids can dress up and dance without negative messages. If no one's interested, invite other friends instead. Also, no church without parents - if you don't attend, you don't know what sort of intolerance, bigotry, self-hate and shame is being taught. I would make a point of taking the kid to a couple of services at a number of different faiths - look for Unitarian Universalist, Islamic, Jewish, Budhist and Hindu places of worship, and ask permission to attend a few times with the kid, and buy her a book of the myth/stories of each. Give her the experience of communities of other faiths, to offset the feeling that the particular brand of christianity she has any monopoly on truth, faith or community.
Maybe because i was in z pretty good chruch,but purity ball was fun for me. I didn't feel like i was being brainwash. Or sexualixed. Then again my parents talked about the birds and the bees when i was young so i knew how to be safe. I think the idea of keeping yourself pure(not having sex outside of marraige) is a good thing. As a result ive never gotten pregnat or deal with the emotional distress (i have a habbit of getting attached easily). Its nice to think that a guy is willing to wait till marriage to be intimate. It makes me feel like a person not a tool (i use to be used a lot growing up by so called friends nothing sexual thank god but still hurt) but ya i think everyones the a**hole. Mom for letting her daughter go to something she didnt agree with. There are many other ways to bond and have alone time then church if you dont want her to go. And husband for keeping this a secret. Not to mention MIL for going against parents wishes persay.
I'm not sure "your only value is being a virgin on your wedding night" is really the message that should be getting taught. If you chose to be, good for you, but the social shaming and indoctrination behind such events is gross.
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