50 Times The ‘Georgism’ Online Group Shared Eye-Opening Posts About The Housing Market
Everyone deserves to have access to affordable housing. Unfortunately, in parts of the developed world, this isn’t the case. Housing prices are wildly out of control, interest rates are wild, and not enough new properties are being built! And many cities aren't built in a smart way. Many young and ambitious working professionals find themselves struggling to cover their bloated rent, let alone save up enough cash to buy a decent home.
Today, we’re featuring some of the most spot-on posts about the lack of affordable housing and poor urban planning in the United States, as shared on the ‘Georgism’ subreddit. This is a community that fully embraces the Georgism (aka Geoism or the single tax movement) social philosophy and economic theory, and thinks it’s the way to create a solid foundation for a truly fair society. Scroll down to check out their posts.
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$500 More Rent, Zero Added Value. Georgism Would Fix This 😔 ✊
What Covid did to Montana. I've lived here 33 years. I'm moving next year because it's so expensive.
People Aren’t Having Kids, Because Housing Prices Are Out Of Control
In 1976, median income was about $12k per year. In 2022 it was $75k. That's six times higher. In 1976, average home value in the US was $48k. In 2022 it was $550k. That's 11 times higher. If you consider that in 1976 often only one adult was working, and in 2022 two adults usually were, housing costs have remained stable compared to household income.
Boomers Destroy The Housing Market, Then Blame Younger Generations For Buying Coffee…
The ‘Georgism’ online group, which focuses on “free trade, free land, free people,” was initially created in early spring of 2012. Currently, it boasts 36k members.
The social philosophy and economic theory of Georgism, also known as geoism, basically revolves around one core idea: namely, that the value derived from land (including natural resources and opportunities) should belong equally to all the residents of a community. Furthermore, the value that people create should belong to themselves.
It’s Almost Like Monopoly Was Originally Invented To Warn Us About Everything That’s Happened 🤔
And We Know Just How To Do This
What Do You Guys Think? Is Our Lack Of Density/Walkable Spaces Contributing To Our Health Crisis?
I live in the USA and I haven't driven a car in over 20 years. 45yo. 5ft 9in. 160lb.
The moderators point out that there are various Georgists, from statists and anarchists to progressives and conservatives. According to the moderators who manage the online community, note that most Georgists support:
- A broad-based land value taxation scheme, either to mostly or entirely replace existing harmful taxes on income, consumption, and corporations
- The social redistribution of this revenue either directly, through a Citizens' Dividend, or indirectly, through government programs, to citizens
- Some (but not all) forms of market intervention by the state
- The abolition of tariffs, quotas, patents, and other barriers to trade and commerce
Game Based On Reality
My Mistake For Needing Social And Economic Opportunity
I often wish to do this... but all the bogs and fields are owned by someone and they dont allow squatters.
Without Georgism, Landlords Will Always Charge As Much As They Can Get Away With
While many people are struggling to afford homes, some are finally breaking into the property market. As recently reported by CNN, despite the “daunting” conditions, growing members of the US Generation Z are finally fulfilling their dreams of homeownership.
“The generation now accounts for one in four loans issued to first-time home buyers, according to data from financial services company Intercontinental Exchange. And a Redfin report from January 2024 found that Gen Z’s homeownership rate is outpacing that of Millennials and Gen Xers when they were the same age.”
That’s not to say that everyone has the same chances of owning a home. CNN notes that there’s a “growing divide” between members of Generation Z with stable jobs or financial support and those who are priced out both from owning and even renting property.
Georgist Policies Would Fix This
Also, now we don't HAVE to have kids. We have a choice, our ancestors didn't.
Gulf War? No, What I Said We Needed Was A Golf War
How Much Land Do We Waste Just To Park Cars For A Few Hours?
Georgism was an economic theory developed by American economist and social reformer Henry George in the late 19th century. According to EBSCO Information Services, though his treatise ‘Progress and Poverty’ was popular, many economists dismissed his ideas. George’s economic theory is partly based on ancient ideas centered on land.
“Many cultures view land as something that is passed from generation to generation, without an individual owning it in the traditional sense. Ownership is viewed as temporary, a rental of the land. The value of land is based on what takes place on it, and this value is reflected in the wealth of the landowner. This view is reflected in modern municipal tax assessments, which include separate values for the land and for any structures on it,” EBSCO explains.
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But no one's allowed to loiter or sit anywhere in a city. Mine won't allow any outdoor public seating, like actual laws against benches, to prevent homeless from hanging out. Except the homeless get kicked out of the shelter and dont have anywhere to go for 12 hours a day, so they end up in bus stops all day long because ADA laws require bus stop seating.
Visualization On How Much Land Is Wasted Due To Mandated Parking Minimums And Car Sprawl
Tax What People Take, Not What People Make
No one has ever reported their income tax perfectly. It's impossible when the system is built on trust that a human will know every cent they earn, every cashable gift, dividends, garage sale items, and fund raising, and online sale, along with a dozen other possible sources.
George’s idea was to propose establishing the so-called Single Tax on land values. This tax would fund the government and replace all the other taxes already in place.
“Those who supported this idea did so because of its simplicity, their belief that it would stimulate construction and economic growth by eliminating taxes on structures, and the idea that land, as a fixed resource, should be taxed to benefit society and fund government,” EBSCO writes.
Nothing An Lvt And A Little Zoning Reform Couldn’t Fix!
The Damage Sprawl Has Done Is Immense
Tax Land, Tax Carbon
As per EBSCO, people who embrace Georgist philosophy believe that the gifts of nature should benefit all of society. Meanwhile, Georgists argue that social problems should be solved by tracking their root causes and eliminating them at their core, thus doing away with future problems, instead of focusing just on the symptoms.
“According to George, wealth is produced by land, labor, and capital. The distribution of these sources must therefore be at the root of poverty. Land is in fixed supply and is required for all life and production, yet those who own land earn money by allowing others to use it, without the property owner contributing to production,” EBSCO explains.
Americans Sure Do Love Their Strip Malls And Suburban Sprawl
During COVID we started installing street seating all over the place here to facilitate social distancing. We aren't giving it back. That's our space now.
Unless We Make Some Real Changes To The System, Some Things Will Never Change
One lady in my city owns 80+ houses and buildings. The population is only 13,000. She literally gets to control the rental market, and a while back decided to remove her rentals and turn them into B&B online, causing a massive housing shortage, and push for people to build more. When they did build more units this year, all are priced far above any housing ever has cost.
Breaks My Heart That We Prioritize Low Density Sprawl Over This
“Landowners may also refuse to allow their land to be used productively. When good land is withheld from use, labor must use less-productive land. When rents go up, wages and productive investment suffer. This leads to unemployment and cycles of wealth and poverty.”
Therefore, George argued, land rent should benefit society, to ensure that good land is available for use, thus lowering prices and rents.
Why Work For Wages, When Rents Eat It All?
I have a coworker from Ukraine. She is shocked by the amount of homeless people in our city. She said where she's from, there's hardly any homeless people because they don't kick their kids out at 18. Now, of course, she's unaware of our a*******n, mental health and systemic racism that is holding back a large portion of our homeless, but I was shocked there's places in the world where being homeless is rare.
Say It With Me Now Folks, Why Ban What You Can Tax?
Priceless
EBSCO notes that modern supporters of the Single Tax advocate for land value taxation, or LVT.
“LVT assesses property taxes on the value of the land, including improvements made to it, but does not tax any structures on the land. It is often favored in regions where primary land use is agricultural. Economists who advocate for LVT note that valuation of structures is often less stable than land value.”
No Offense, It Just A Meme
Don’t Forget To Thank Your City Council For Saving You From This
This Is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things In The Us
This is why I'm glad I live in a neighborhood that was developed over a century ago. That and rent control.
Meanwhile, land value is mainly influenced by what the land is used for, as well as what happens nearby.
“For example, the value of an acre of land in an agricultural area does not change much based on nearby development, but a plot of land the same size in an urban setting might be valued based on where it is, if, for example, the city experiences demand for usable retail space in that neighborhood.”
Land Value Tax (+ No Parking Mandates) Would Fix This
The Current Housing Crisis Summed Up In One Image
My property tax is about $4500 per year. We have our own fire department with an extensive network of fire hydrants, police force, water works, electric company, natural gas company, wifi provider, garbage pickup, recycling pickup, snowplows and sander to remove snow, free sand for our own driveways, access to quality public schools, etc. I get my money's worth.
Nothing Says ‘Vibrant Urban Core’ Like A Half-Empty Parking Lot The Size Of A Football Field
What are your thoughts, dear Pandas? Do you think that Georgism is the way to go, or do you think another economic philosophy is more practical?
What’s your perspective as to why housing prices have become so jaw-droppingly ridiculous in recent years? How would you solve the housing affordability crisis if you had free rein?
Do you personally feel that you’re struggling to buy a home, or do you think that you have a fair and decent chance at property ownership? Let us know in the comments below.
Placemaking In Georgism? So Hot Right Now
What Arguments Do Suburbanites Use That Make You Irrationally Upset?
Nothing A Lvt And Some Zoning Reform Couldn’t Fix!
If I can't walk to the nearest grocery store and there's only one strip mall of a pricey pizza place, a pricey convenience store and pricey bakery, it's not a place I would want to live in.
It’s That Time Of Year Again. Who Needs Christmas Spirit When You Could Have Stroads And Highways 🥰
With Lvt + Yimby, We Could Afford So Much Nice Things, But Instead Here We Are Throwing All Our Money At Landlords And Sprawl
i love going to a big city and taking the tram! makes me feel cosmopolitan and sophisticated. i suppose if i had one that i could use every day, i would feel sophisticated every day!!
Who Needs Walkable Neighborhoods When You Can Have Empty Parking Lots And Car Sprawl?
Self Identified Libertarians Seemingly Only Support Libertarian Beliefs When It’s Convenient For Them
My neighbor once posted a "taxation is theft" sign...a scant few meters away from the fire hydrant the city provides. I think he realized what he'd done, because the sign disappeared after a week, never to be seen again.
Who Needs The Missing Middle When You Have This 😍
Urban Decay
Another Example Of Gross Tax Injustice
It's a very stupid law. Basically it mandates that the property taxes are reassessed only at the house sale. The $500/yr guy probably never sold and still has the original 1976 assessment. The others sold their house and the new owner had to pay according to a new assessment.
Unbelievable This Is The Only Thing Legal To Build In Most Of The Us
Unironically, Lvt + Upzoning Would Help Protect Canada In The Trade Wars... And Protect It From The American Car-Dependent Lifestyle
Dodger Stadium’s Parking Lot Can Fit Another 10 Dodger Stadiums In It
They could have at least forced them to use less land and build parking garages.
Suburbia: Expectation vs. Reality
The World If We Had Land Value Tax: 🌳🌳🌲🌇🚄🌇🏡🌳🏞️⚡📈
Just Tax Land LOL
Lvt Would Solve This
From Doughnut Economics Book
Is This A New Form Of Economic Rent?
Half Of Renters Can’t Make Ends Meet. This Can’t Possibly Be Sustainable
The Present Century Has Been Marked By A Prodigious Increase In Wealth-Producing Power
'i'll Build You A Bike Lane In 2047.'
Our Cities Are Unwalkable Because Our Current Tax System Favors Bad Land Use
Zoning Killed The Planet Faster Than Plastic Straws Ever Could
This Is Basically What Car Dealerships Do. It’s Regulatory Capture, And It’s Bad
When Your Nearest Park Is A 10+ Minute Drive, Don’t Be Surprised When Kids Don’t Play Outside
Over-Leveraged Landlord Has His 57 Homes Repossessed
American Cities Are Somehow Both Simultaneously Over Planned And Under Planned
The Corruption Of Economics
The Value Of Land Is Socially Created. Landowners Reap Without Sowing
Yeah Right, Lisa. A Wonderful Magical Single Tax
One Of My Biggest Pet Peeves
You Know What Isn’t Affordable? No Housing
Despite Looking Nicer, Real Rents Also Went Down Over This Same Time Period Thanks To The New Units!
When You Don’t Tax Land
I know that this is a very US centric article but can people please stop thinking that all landlords are the same as they are in the USA. I rent out two unfurnished 2 bedroom homes with off-road parking and 200 sq/m of garden. Because I have to charge the market rate for rent on these properties, the rent is only £850 per month, which is only £87 more than the mortgage and is less than the income I get from the properties when insurance, Estate Agent commission and tax is included. The tenants are responsible for paying their own utility bills and council tax and they are free to choose whichever electricity supplier they like. There are also very strict rules about how I maintain the property with yearly gas safety inspections and property fabric checks. My tenants have far more legal protections than they do in the USA and the cost of renting property here is not that different to owning, especially when the deposit required to rent is around £1700 including the security deposit.
"Georgism" as a concept is idiotic. This article is mostly not about "georgism", is about a bunch of different inequalities that would not be solved, and in many cases be worsened, by a shift to a solely land-based taxation. Most countries have taxation based on value, and some form of land tax, a system that works far better than any economic extremism
Okay so I have a really sincere question. I don't know anything about urban planning so feel free to explain this to me as if I was 5 years old, but why can't we build parkings under the ground and keep the cities above walkable ?
Because that would be more expensive to build and to mantain.
Load More Replies...I know that this is a very US centric article but can people please stop thinking that all landlords are the same as they are in the USA. I rent out two unfurnished 2 bedroom homes with off-road parking and 200 sq/m of garden. Because I have to charge the market rate for rent on these properties, the rent is only £850 per month, which is only £87 more than the mortgage and is less than the income I get from the properties when insurance, Estate Agent commission and tax is included. The tenants are responsible for paying their own utility bills and council tax and they are free to choose whichever electricity supplier they like. There are also very strict rules about how I maintain the property with yearly gas safety inspections and property fabric checks. My tenants have far more legal protections than they do in the USA and the cost of renting property here is not that different to owning, especially when the deposit required to rent is around £1700 including the security deposit.
"Georgism" as a concept is idiotic. This article is mostly not about "georgism", is about a bunch of different inequalities that would not be solved, and in many cases be worsened, by a shift to a solely land-based taxation. Most countries have taxation based on value, and some form of land tax, a system that works far better than any economic extremism
Okay so I have a really sincere question. I don't know anything about urban planning so feel free to explain this to me as if I was 5 years old, but why can't we build parkings under the ground and keep the cities above walkable ?
Because that would be more expensive to build and to mantain.
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