Person Maliciously Complies With HOA Rules, Ends Up Costing Them 16% Of The HOA Income
While some think property ownership is the best way to escape nosy landlords, people in certain parts of the world will then encounter the dreaded beast that is a Homeowners Association. Armed with zeal and a possibly misguided sense of power, these groups will try to impose their will on all residents, for better or worse.
One internet user shared their story of malicious compliance when the HOA tried to force them to take down security cameras. In a bid of commendable stubbornness, they fought for their cameras tooth and nail, adding a pile of legal fees onto the HOA. And in the end, they got around the association’s ruling with a clever technicality.
Security cameras in a neighborhood can be contentious since they might record more than just your yard and property
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A homeowner installed cameras on their house, which happened to overlook parts of two neighbors’ property
Despite a feature to gray out a section of the feed, one neighbor wanted the cameras taken down
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They refused to take down their cameras and were ready to battle the HOA every step of the way
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HOAs don’t have the best reputation, perhaps as a result of their controversial origins
While not exclusive to the United States, HOA are most commonly found in America. The first examples come from 20th-century California, where residents of Pasadena banded together to keep poorer people and non-Caucasians out of the neighborhood. In the case of Shelley v. Kraemer in 1948, the Supreme Court finally ruled that these agreements were unenforceable, though it’s an unfortunate truth of history that it still took over forty years (1905 to 1948) for anyone with real power to limit this blatant discrimination. Modern HOA are more limited with their ability to discriminate, but can still make life uncomfortable for residents they don’t like.
Americans can at least take some comfort that their northern neighbor only had a similar ruling three years later, in 1951. In the case of Noble and Wolf v Alley, the Supreme Court of Canada also found the idea of a homeowner association limiting the neighborhood to a certain race, ethnicity, or religion absolutely unenforceable. Though just because they can’t stop you from moving in, doesn’t mean they can’t find ways to kick you out. Now, legally, this power differs from state to state, but in some, an HOA can actually foreclose your home if you miss payments. Texas laws heavily favor HOAs, but in 33 states they still retain a lot of power.
It’s always important to know your rights and to do your research
So if you live in an area with a particularly nosy HOA or are planning to move to one, it never hurts to be prepared. If they make any trouble when you are trying to move in, over you having children, your political bumper stickers, or sexual orientation, know that you are protected under the Fair Housing Act. Now, this is an extreme scenario that is probably not going to happen. More likely than not, an HOA will bother you over minor cosmetic issues. They will often try to change rules without informing residents. This is actually not acceptable as well, and you can demand an audit if it appears like the HOA is trying to conceal something.
While the example from Texas is unfortunate, HOAs don’t always come out on top. A man from Kansas went through an extensive legal battle with his local association, costing both parties thousands of dollars. He wanted to do some landscaping and the HOA didn’t want to approve his project. While he did have to pay them a fine over improperly filed applications, ultimately the judge allowed the project to continue. If you are looking at a new neighborhood or planning to move and don’t want to deal with the local HOA, be sure to find out what are the conditions and restrictions. Some will make it hell to opt out, while others are more flexible. Better to know before committing to a real estate purchase.
Some commenters sided with OP, seeing ‘Karen’ and the HOA as confrontational and needlessly aggressive
But others noted that it’s not exactly comfortable to have a camera you don’t control pointed directly at your yard
You have an expectation to privacy. What does that mean? If any passerby can see it…it’s not private. Popular opinion or not, it’s how most (U.S.) laws are written. It also means cameras can’t be pointed into your home (if you cover windows) or into your backyard (if you have a privacy fence). If a passerby can’t see it…it’s private…so, a camera shouldn’t see it either. Most neighbors aren’t using cameras to spy on you, but to protect their own home & family. The “grayed out areas” the OP is referring to is called a privacy zone or a privacy screen. Any reasonable neighbor should be fine with setting this up & sharing footage with you (anytime you request it). But your neighbor’s cameras might actually help you out someday. Our driveway camera captured some teens who intentionally set our across-the-street neighbor’s privacy fence & roof on fire with some fireworks. They were grateful. FYI, our camera only “sees” the exterior fence & roof line of our neighbor’s house & nothing private.
Here comes what'll be an unpopular opinion: Unless you have a privacy fence, your yard is not private. No, neighbors shouldn't be recording you using your back yard. However, I think some people are a bit naive with their "expectation of privacy."
Feelings for some reason pass the facts like they don't matter. This is what happens when a population of citizens with rights and that population doesn't understand their rights. They willingly allow those rights to be waived. Every citizen of the USA should know their rights, the Constitution, and what it's for, who it's for and why it matters. If even 60% of today's population understood this our country would be completely different. I started teaching my kids in elementary school it matters, and the comments in this post prove it.
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I'd say attempting to prevent filming neighbors yards is important. It would be interesting to see if that were possible in this case (it may not have been possible to get the vehicles but not a portion of the neighbor's yards). If they were transparent about it and had obviously minimized the best they could, to me that's city living. My doorbell cam gets anyone who parks on the street in front of us (although we were able to tip it to avoid homes across the street).
You have an expectation to privacy. What does that mean? If any passerby can see it…it’s not private. Popular opinion or not, it’s how most (U.S.) laws are written. It also means cameras can’t be pointed into your home (if you cover windows) or into your backyard (if you have a privacy fence). If a passerby can’t see it…it’s private…so, a camera shouldn’t see it either. Most neighbors aren’t using cameras to spy on you, but to protect their own home & family. The “grayed out areas” the OP is referring to is called a privacy zone or a privacy screen. Any reasonable neighbor should be fine with setting this up & sharing footage with you (anytime you request it). But your neighbor’s cameras might actually help you out someday. Our driveway camera captured some teens who intentionally set our across-the-street neighbor’s privacy fence & roof on fire with some fireworks. They were grateful. FYI, our camera only “sees” the exterior fence & roof line of our neighbor’s house & nothing private.
Here comes what'll be an unpopular opinion: Unless you have a privacy fence, your yard is not private. No, neighbors shouldn't be recording you using your back yard. However, I think some people are a bit naive with their "expectation of privacy."
Feelings for some reason pass the facts like they don't matter. This is what happens when a population of citizens with rights and that population doesn't understand their rights. They willingly allow those rights to be waived. Every citizen of the USA should know their rights, the Constitution, and what it's for, who it's for and why it matters. If even 60% of today's population understood this our country would be completely different. I started teaching my kids in elementary school it matters, and the comments in this post prove it.
Load More Replies... I'd say attempting to prevent filming neighbors yards is important. It would be interesting to see if that were possible in this case (it may not have been possible to get the vehicles but not a portion of the neighbor's yards). If they were transparent about it and had obviously minimized the best they could, to me that's city living. My doorbell cam gets anyone who parks on the street in front of us (although we were able to tip it to avoid homes across the street).
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