Woman Explains How Ridiculous “Female Privilege” Claims Sound When You Check In With Reality
Interview With AuthorDespite gender-based violence, payment inequality, and attacks on bodily autonomy, there are still men who believe that, in general, women are just better off. And a subset of these men decide to publicly speak about this idea without doing a bare minimum amount of research.
A TikToker and feminist recently went viral after she debunked another video where a man claimed that women all benefited from what he called “female privilege.” She broke down exactly how he was wrong and gave multiple examples of how people misunderstand the concept of privilege.
Bored Panda has reached out to Kikimay612 and she was kind enough to share her thoughts.
While women might get free drinks at a bar, from time to time, this is not nearly enough to be classified as “female privilege”
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“Every time I hear men talk about supposed female privilege, I start to wonder if growing up in a patriarchal society has caused them to develop a legitimate cognitive impairment”
“You know, they claim to be the more logical, rational sex, but when it comes to having conversations about sexism, misogyny, legitimate male privilege, that just seems to fly out the window.”
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“They also love to say that women are more emotional, yet the absolute rage they show at just being asked to look in the mirror is nothing short of astounding”
“I have men in my comments sections for literally weeks on end because they are so pressed, they dedicate all of their free time to trolling women, to trolling me.
Trying to argue that the fact that women get half-priced drinks at bars on Thursdays is a privilege that somehow greatly disadvantages them and is equivalent to, oh, I don’t know, let’s say the male privilege of getting to make your own healthcare decisions. Women are literally dying of sepsis because they are being denied lifesaving abortions because men have decided that they should control what women do with their bodies and you’re gonna talk to me about half-price drinks!
The amazing thing is this question of what the f**k is wrong with dudes’ brains sent me down a research rabbit hole where I actually discovered that there’s a body of sociological and psychological research that shows that male privilege actually negatively affects men’s development as human beings. In fact, this same body of research shows that even though men will cry, you know, male discrimination or bemoan mythical female privilege, the reality is they actually don’t care. It does not have any effect on their mental health and well-being. Meanwhile, when women are targeted by gender discrimination or are confronted by that and think about it, it shows a direct correlation between decreased mental health and well-being, increased stress, with decreased self-esteem.”
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“I’m gonna wager a little guess and say that if there actually were a concerted systemic effort to disadvantage men, they would actually be mentally impacted. But there isn’t”
“So they aren’t. And I could just duet this video I’m about to show in part two by staring blankly ahead and not saying a thing, and women would recognize the message, which is that it is comical for men to try to argue that they somehow are disadvantaged on the same systemic level as women and that they are somehow held to higher accountability standards.”
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“Let’s talk about how female privilege is a myth”
“But I’m not one for staying silent and on the off chance that even one man has enough brain tissue left to understand the argument I’m about to make, I think it’s worth it.”
“I could really sit here and name 30 privileges that women have.”
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“I’m gonna start really simple so everybody can get it through their little noggins”
“When we talk about male privilege, we’re talking about the fact that men are advantaged on a systemic level; socially, culturally, economically, politically, and academically. This is based solely on the fact that they have a d*ck or that they are male presenting, not on the fact that they are substantively smarter or more skilled, or more deserving than women. Male privilege does not refer to a single, solitary occurrence of the use of power. It refers to structures of power that inherently disadvantage women to a substantive degree.”
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“This can be very glaring and obvious in action”
“Like the fact that men make more than women for doing the same jobs or the fact that r*pe is severely under-prosecuted across every single state. Or this can be more subtle in action, like the fact that men’s pain is taken more seriously by doctors or the fact that men don’t have to worry about being passed up for promotions because they have children or want to have children soon. Or the fact that male r*pists get painted by our media as poor boys who have lost their opportunity for a bright future. Meanwhile, the victims of their rape are ridiculed.
Female privilege, on the other hand, as men have painted is indeed a single solitary use of power when they talk about buying a girl a drink at a bar or having to pay for the dinner bill. These things are almost always relegated to this small private sphere, and they do not contribute to a pattern of measurable disadvantaging of men.”
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“You might not get your d*ck wet like you were hoping for, but that’s it”
“And the funny thing is you can’t recognize that the expectations that you do these things are a direct result of the patriarchal society that you continue to maintain. You want to both take advantage of these toxic ideas of masculinity and bemoan them when it suits you. So you wanna be seen as natural-born leaders who are entitled to whatever you want, but you also don’t wanna be seen as leaders if it means that you have to pay for a meal.
The idea that women are privileged because they benefit from these acts of chivalry from men ignores the fact that this perpetuates the patriarchal idea that women are somehow weaker and need men’s support. But it is also ignoring the fact that a lot of times, these acts of chivalry are completely unwanted. And time and time again, we see that when women reject these acts, they are raped, abused, and murdered. So let’s talk about accountability and the bottom line in part three.”
“Women are not forced to take accountability. That’s the biggest privilege y’all have. Nobody holds women accountable for bad decision-making, but everybody holds men accountable.”
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“Not sure what reality you’re living in, friend…”
“…but here in my hellscape, we elected a man who has a well-documented history of outright misogyny, sexual abuse, and r*pe, including accusations of child r*pe, to be the president of the United States. Clarence Thomas and Brett Kavanaugh were appointed to the highest court in the land despite having similarly spectacular histories. And that is not to mention that I bet every favorite male actor of yours, and every favorite NFL player of yours is a poster boy for domestic violence.”
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“The idea that men have now been getting away with this for hundreds of years and are continuing to get away with it is willful and weaponized ignorance”
“In fact, the research shows that y’all know you have the privilege. We are no longer talking about the idea of an invisible knapsack of privilege where you don’t recognize all the ways that you oppress women. No, we are talking about how you willfully reframe it and ignore it so that you can continue to benefit from it. This research shows that you see your privilege as an individual personal achievement, or you see it as a direct result of having a male body, and that is the most toxically gendered, neoliberal bulls**t I have ever f**king heard.”
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“The bottom line is this: Just ’cause y’all had a sh**ty girlfriend once or because you can shout from the rooftops proudly that you’ve never hit a woman, congratulations”
“That doesn’t mean that male privilege and women’s resulting oppression does not exist. And I’ll very gladly continue to drink those free drinks you very stupidly give me because I need liquor to deal with this constant nonsense day in and day out. Please get f**ked.”
You can watch the full video here
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Privilege refers to structures of power that are larger than any one person and their experience
Bored Panda got in touch with kikimay612 and she was kind enough to answer some of our questions. First, we wanted to know why the idea of privilege is so misunderstood. “I think when we talk about any group being privileged over another, there is an initial natural human response to become a bit defensive. People don’t want to be associated with a group that’s perpetrating something negative – like racism or sexism – and they want to say something to prove their innocence, so to speak. In the U.S., people also really take pride in individual achievement, and the idea that some sort of privilege may have played a role in the education they received or the job they have can be hard to reconcile with the very American idea that the key to success is just about personally working really hard.”
“When it comes to male privilege, specifically, most men don’t have a lived experience where they feel the impact of systemic inequality day-in and day-out. When nearly all the spaces you move through have been designed with you in mind, it’s natural that you wouldn’t immediately notice all the challenges they can pose to other people – you don’t need to. But if I’m a woman walking into a boardroom full of men, I’m immediately keenly aware of the imbalance of power. I feel the stress of wanting to show up well on behalf of all women who didn’t make it to the room. I am doing all sorts of calculations on how to look and behave in order to be both liked and taken seriously. Men don’t have to do any of these mental and sociocultural gymnastics – they just open their mouths and are listened to. And it’s important to note that because men don’t have to deal with the effects of systemic inequality on a daily basis, they also haven’t had to learn the facts regarding misogyny, sexism, and gender bias – from how they manifest to the ways in which they’re rooted in patriarchal culture. They often think women just exaggerate the size of the problem and are reading into innocent comments or behaviors as sexist, even in the face of overwhelming social science research that demonstrates just how widespread and dangerous these issues are.”
We also wanted to hear about her experiences with how people have reacted to these ideas. ““Unsurprisingly, about 90% of my followers are women. Women come across my content and immediately feel seen and heard. They chime in with their own experiences or just comment in support (“Preach! “100%!” “Go off queen!” That sort of thing..) Even if men aren’t learning a single thing from my videos, I think they’re useful for women and myself because they create a space where we can all sort of collectively scream into the void. Being a woman in the world, and especially a feminist on the internet, is EXHAUSTING. We need a release. Some women and allies also love to bookmark my videos so they have talking points ready for when they encounter trolls online or IRL.”
“As for the men that interact with my content, most of it is the same uncreative commentary they’ve been offering for, well…forever. They’ll try to dismiss or detract from my message by saying, “What about men? What about this non-systemic totally inequivalent issue men sometimes face that’s actually the result of the patriarchy and not feminists, but we’ll be mad at feminists for it anyway?” Or they’ll just resort to tired ad-hominem attacks, like calling me a feminazi (which has the one-two punch of being both sexist and antisemitic) or saying things like, “this is why we should repeal the 19 th amendment,” or “this is why you don’t deserve equal pay.” I wish I could say I’m surprised or phased whatsoever by their feedback, but it’s really just an old hat at this point. I’ve been studying, researching, publishing, and speaking out on women’s issues for decades. What I’ve found is that many men will do anything they can to continue to preserve the balance of power in their favor. Because they’ve been the benefactors of unearned privilege their whole lives, women fighting for a level playing field ultimately means they’ll need to cede space to more of us, and this is a scary reality for them. Combine that with a more recent push to embrace the ideals of toxic masculinity that repel women looking for emotionally mature partners (think the stuff peddled by Andrew Tate) and you have a group of young men who are feeling increasingly insecure and irrelevant, and looking to lash out. Feminist content on the internet gives them an outlet to anonymously vent their frustration without fear of any real-life consequences.”
“Feminists are not the enemy, and the patriarchy hurts us all. When men rush to level various whataboutisms at women who bring up male privilege, they are missing the fact that the issues they raise are not the result of mythical female privilege or a feminist vendetta against men, but rather, the result of living in a patriarchal society that promotes norms of masculinity that are harmful to men in a myriad of ways. If they want to see lower suicide and incarceration rates among men, or they want to have more success sustaining meaningful relationships with women, they’d do themselves a favor by joining in on the moment to dismantle the patriarchy for good,” she shared with Bored Panda.
Kiki has a dual Bachelor of Arts degree in Media & Communication and Political Science, and a Master of Arts degree in Communication, where her work centered on the intersection of gender and power and explored representations of female leaders in cable news programming. Her research has been featured by the Association for Education in Journalism and Mass Communication and her writing been published in various print and online mediums, including Men’s Journal, believe it or not! She hopes to be able to become a full-time feminist content creator and writer so she can share her real name in the social media space soon. Until then, she’s operating under the watchful eye of the man, so you can find her posting on TikTok and Instagram @kikimay612.
Angry men often “shoot the messenger” and attack the women who try to explain what privilege is
As mentioned in the video above, privilege is not a solitary advantage. A person who happens to be stronger than another is not benefiting from “strength privilege,” unless they live in a society that really does discriminate by physical power. The video being debunked lists a number of somewhat niche “advantages” that women receive. These involve sometimes getting free drinks, though they aren’t quite free, they come with the assumption that the man has now “bought” some time with the woman. Since the man pays the bartender, the woman doesn’t really get a say in the matter. Even if we stick to this primitive and limited “advantage,” this often is just a way that predators attempt to drug their victims. About one-third of all sexual assault cases involve “date rape drugs,” administered to unsuspecting victims. In other words, getting possibly drugged drinks “for free” is not the advantage some men make it out to be.
More importantly, this doesn’t even fit as an element of privilege. Women not at the bars frequented by these men don’t “benefit” from free drinks or meals. Instead, the concept refers to larger-scale structures. Businesses are more likely to hire men due to ingrained, structural beliefs that they are better workers (with little evidence to support it) and carry a lower “risk” to the company, as, managers believe, they won’t need to go on maternity leave. At scale, this creates fewer opportunities for women which in turn perpetuates the idea that men are better workers, since there are, to the eyes of these hypothetical managers, more of them in the workplace. Even worse, women also suffer from being paid less to do the same job, at about 32% lower wages compared to men in the US alone.
The idea of male privilege often draws the ire of men who refuse to accept that some things are simply easier for them. Instead, it would be worth examining the reality that there are downsides to male privilege. Not all men benefit equally, as those who differ from established norms might be ostracized or not classified as “men.” In nations like India and China, male privilege leads to disproportionate demographics, where selective abortions mean that many families keep boys and abort girls. The result is that thousands of men may not be able to find a partner in the future because there simply are not enough girls.
The men that gain the least benefit from male privilege tend to suffer at the hands of privileged males. This often manifests as bullying and domestic violence, but the abused males tend to be blind to what actually caused their misery. Instead of targeting the toxic masculinity and competitive structures imposed on them by patriarchal norms, they “shoot the messenger” and lash out at, predominantly, the women who try to explain privilege and all it entails.
Women shared their experiences regarding entitled men, male privilege, and gender-based discrimination
"Aren't held accountable"?!??!?!?!? Some of the things said in response to a crime against a person: "Why did you wear that?" "Why did you go there?" "Why did you stay with X?" "Well, you were drinking." "You were nice to them, what did you expect?" "You're pregnant? It's not mine." "You were out after dark?" "You don't carry mace / gun / knife / know krav maga?" We are nothing BUT held accountable every damn day, a$$h*le.
So basically all the examples of "female privilege" they come up with are part and parcel of the patriarchy itself. The origin of the man paying for the date came about as a demonstration that basically was saying "I can be a good provider." That's patriarchy saying that women can't provide for themselves. If that's the best argument they can come up with it's pretty lame!
Funny how all of the "female privilege" involves men trying to buy their way into someone's pants. If I were a woman, I would call that gross. Not a privilege.
Load More Replies...I almost died.. not once. But 2 fucken times because doctors didn't listen to me when I needed them to. I had a cyst rupture & I went into shock.. it wasn't until I drove myself WHILE EXPERIENCING ALL OF THIS to a hospital 2 hours away in a big city & got a female ER doctor that I was finally taken seriously. That was the first time. The second time was when I got pregnant & was having a miscarriage & they told me to go home & wear a pad & take some Tylenol. I told them "no something is seriously wrong. I'm telling you this isn't normal" turns out I had some kind of infection & I was literally dying. They dismissed my pain & as I was walking out of the ER I passed out cold & they were forced to run more tests. But yeah.... women are sooo privileged. I have no bodily autonomy. & thank god this happened years ago before I could potentially go to prison for having a fucken miscarriage. Yes, that's not a thing now. But the right is trying for it.
You should probably mark it as sarcasm 😉. Buy you're right, sadly
Load More Replies...Many men - too many - believe that women have the great privilege of serving men.
"Privilege refers to structures of power that are larger than any one person and their experience" That's what so many people miss. It's not just about individuals and their beliefs/attitudes, it's how privileges and discrimination are built into everything - our laws, our courts, our education - not just our social norms. That's what CRT is about, and frankly it *should* be taught in schools.
Jesus was a man and he had to die on a dàmn cross! How is that male privilege?!? Why didn't they nail is secretary up there?! Women have plenty of privilege: they can vote now, they can drive a car.... Where does it end?! Next thing you're gonna try and tell me is that women get to choose who is and isn't allowed to enter their body. (Sorry, not sorry....the sarcasm keeps me from crying.)
You forgot to mention that Wile E Coyote is male and he can never get a break!
Load More Replies...I am an American girl, here is my point of view: we don't have as many privileges. We often get underpaid, not taken seriously, and are statistically more likely to be harmed in some way by awful people. However, if a family is splitting up, women are more likely to get the child even if the woman isn't a suitable parent. Also, if a woman is abused and speaks up about it, people are more likely to do something about it. On top of that, women can act creepy around children and people will call it sweet. However, a lot of those "female privileges" are partially based on pretty privileges. Our society is stupid.
The whole "women are more likely to get custody" thing is a little bit more complex than usually it is presented: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115
Load More Replies...Wow, lots of incels and misogynist trolls in this thread. F**k 'em (but not literally, of course!)
Here's where I'm at as a dad. I have 3 daughters. If ANYONE pulls any s**t with them, I've learned I can't rely on the law to fix it. Take from that what you will.
Load More Replies...Could it be this particular TikTok hit a nerve? By the way, you can avoid giving BP any views much better by A. not commenting at all, and B. not putting the BP URL in your browser's address bar, ever.
Load More Replies...The patriarchal society in America is so encompassing and violent. I have internalized misogyny and as a woman need to check my people pleasing streak around men. I feel unsafe so defer to men and quiet my voice to avoid confrontation. Psychological safety in the workplace is nonexistent where I work. I don’t feel safe to call out things. It’s a crushing reality.
You are not alone, Happenstance. So many women feel as you do. It is one of the primary ways this patriarchal system oppresses women - keep them too uneasy, too afraid, to push back - so that we don't provoke a dangerous confrontation. Keep women feeling unsafe in even the most innocuous situations and retain power over them. It's real, and it *is* crushing.
Load More Replies...Yeah... definitely have more than one male friend (usually in their 20s to mid-thirties) who start ranting about how it's so stupid that women are getting 'all this attention' and they are getting 'bonuses' - and the c**p they talk about is............ stuff that they just get without having to say anything (example: hired for an advanced position - the guy says 'it's because she's a woman and now there's this whole treating them special trend') - and the moment you make ANY of the points noted above... they literally just... stop listening and say "Yeah, that's what you see, whatever."
Reading the comments section was like walking through a damn battlefield. Chill out everyone, unless someone is being a clay-brained clotpole. Then go on
Let's count all the ways that women are 'privileged' 1)Getting sexually harassed on the street by strangers simply by minding our own business walking down the street 2)Getting paid less to do the same job as a man 3) Getting fired for being pregnant 4) Not getting hired or being passed over for promotion because we're pregnant and we 'might decide to stay home after the baby is born'. 5)Being blamed for what we were wearing at the time we were raped 6)Becoming 2nd class citizen and losing the right to control our own bodies when the SCOTUS overthrew Roe v Wade 7) Taking on the majority of household obligations plus child rearing plus a full time job is the norm in a majority of relationships still 8) Representing 51% of the US population and STILL just 10% of CEOs in Fortune 500 companies are women and 38% of post graduate masters degrees are held by women. 9) The 'pink tax' Paying more for the same hygiene products that men use (razors, deodorant) because they're marketed towards women.
10) Paying $400 for the abortion pill to terminate a pregnancy when the actual pills cost pennies to manufacture. 11) Sexual Harassment in the workplace is illegal but it STILL goes on and goes unpunished at an astonishingly high rate and the majority of victims of sexual harassment are women.
Load More Replies...Um here in USA.. we don't even have the privilege of controlling our own bodies anymore.. or being believed if we get attacked.. our daughters cant even wear the clothes they want to because some hormone infested boy might get distracted in school.. maybe he is clueless as to what this word really means?
I’m held accountable for being a single mother. I didn’t get myself pregnant.
"Free drinks" are not really free. If you accept, you have to pay with your time and attention, and the guy is hoping to get you into bed with him.
RE: Medical. I had to have MAJOR surgery and didn't have anyone with me at the appt to discuss with surgeon. Surgeon was impatient and acted as though we're the customer, rather then me. He was surprised when I gave him what-for-and-then-some. 5 years later at a follow up exam, he thanked me for straightening him out - he said his patients reacted much better after I set him straight. I am amazed at how often I have to really dig in to get the same level of care my male friends get.
A lot of the criticisms of the posts are basically "Thing 1 cannot be true because Thing 2 exists." There are aspects of life that are unfair for women, many. That does not mean there are not aspects of life that are unfair for men. It's not limited to paying for drinks. And it varies within subcultures. I married a woman who legitimately thought there were "man jobs" and "woman jobs". She would not help with ANYTHING that strayed into my territory, no matter how minor. One level of unfairness does not justify nor negate the other, they are simply co-existing facts. It's not a competition, it's just acknowledging things that we can be aware of and create a more equal society that does not put any of us in boxes at birth. That include the box saying "You can't treated unfairly because....." How naive that would be.
If you look at metal load and free care work you see that this separation of 'men's work' and 'woman's work' also benefits men only.
Load More Replies...Lovely how she made no mention of race, she could list the offensive traits of the orange cheeto but did not list his racism. How not to see thst racism/sexism are two sides of the same coin.
this comment section is a cornucopia of "This comment is hidden. Click here to view."
This conversation is completely missing any nuance or any mention of intersectionality. Systems of oppression affect different people in different ways. There is absolutely a case to be made that systemic racial oppression has privileged white women over Black men. You don't have to look long or hard in the annals of US history to find laws forbidding Black men from 'laughing too loudly' in the presence of white women. Or lynchings, beatings, and arrests based on rumors or false stories created by white women. And you only have to look to the summer of 2020 to have seen a thankfully milder version of this story play out over bird watching in Central Park, New York. However, it could also be argued that both racism and sexism have affected Black women, thus the unfortunately necessary but inventive term misogynoir. But they don't appear at all in this tale, among other groups (LGTBQ+, IPOC, etc) If we're going to talk about systemic issues, we have to talk about the whole system.
Unfortunately, you're still seeing a lot of this from a point of view of male privilege. None of that was for the sake of the White women. These are rules made by White men. Those rules were made so that Black men did not reduce the value of the property of White men, i.e., women. The rules were made so that White men would not feel that their manhood was being threatened. Black men were lynched by White men because they saw any sexual advances by a Black man as a threat to their own manhood. White women are taught to fear Black men mostly because they are taught to fear any attack on White male manhood.
Load More Replies...As a woman who is against sexism of all forms, i disagree about female privilege not existing. Yes make privilege does exist and misogyny is still an ongoing problem, it is ignorant to deny that female privilege does exist. For instance, a female victim of r*pe/victim is more likely to be believed than a male victim. People are less likely to trust a male as a teacher/babysitter than a female.
Men and women have their privileges and disadvantages, this is coming from a woman
"Uhm akchully, privilege only goes one way and therefore men are privileged and women are oppressed" - 🤓
Load More Replies...It’s mostly men that die in war Most homeless are men Most deaths by suicide are men Most victims of violent crime are men Most people in prison are men Men get longer prison sentences for the same crime Men do most the dangerous jobs Men get awarded custody less than women Men, worldwide live 5 years less long Men and boys do worse in school at every level Some privilege.
They earn more. They are in positions of authority in majority. All presidents have been male. Only 342 women have ever been elected to the House of Representatives and only 41 women have ever been elected to Senate, yet we make up 51% of the population. Male privilege.
Load More Replies...Here’s one - The average sentence for female offenders was 29 months, compared to 49 months for male offenders. 78.6% were sentenced to prison, compared to 93.9% of male offenders, related to similar crimes. According to the United States Sentencing Commission.
Interesting to see this topic after watching last nights NBC/Peacock’s Dateline: about Sarah Jean Hartsfield. She went along for years, killing men and burning down houses, and always given the benefit of the doubt by male policemen. Finally, after her last murder she was caught by a woman detective and a woman prosecutor. Make of that what you will, but I have no problem trading any privilege I may have in the eyes of either side of this issue in place of all of us living in a just world.
Why don't c***s like you just f**k off and die ? We should drag whiny little feminist misandrist c***s like you who think women are poor oppressed victims out in the street, beat you and then shoot you in the back of the head. Die you f*****g feminazi c***s!
Aww poor overweight, greasy haired, pimply incel can't get laid because he's an offensive AH but wants to whine and blame women. It's your own fault that you are offensive to women and can't get laid, dude. Feminists are not to blame. Maybe wear deodorant once and a while and brush your teeth.
Load More Replies...wow. after not considering myself to be on the left anymore, you really do realise the buzzwords being used in articles like this and they never ever change. its insane how you realise how much bs is being written when you look at both sides of political beliefs. i'm a woman, i am starting ti laugh at the "patriarchy" "i hate men" "pay gap" articles. and no, i don't care about being downvoted, i don't mind men, i am not pretending to be some kind of opressed victim but because i am female 😂
Do you like being a 2nd class citizen in your own country, dear?
Load More Replies...The two privileges are grossly at opposite ends of each spectrum and your attempt at minimizing the topic displays the systemic gaslighting/brainwashing, perpetuating an elevated male platform with the occasional example of a woman winning favor. "Ladies, it's not that bad cuz remember that one time when a woman had the upper hand? So it's not really that bad for y'all." Am I the only person who notices the flagrant gaslighting?!?!
Load More Replies...And yet, here you are, helping BP's ad sales too. Oh you didn't click any ads? What a coincidence, most of us didn't. The only strawman here is you playing the Scarecrow of Oz, and attempting to discredit the contents of this post because it said something you didn't like.
Load More Replies...Why wouldn't it? In fact I would say given the current transphobic backlash aimed at trans women ( but not trans men for patriarcal reasons) that they are an especially under privileged group.
Load More Replies...As much as that is true most of it were because they weren't allowed to. There's a reason that some women had to trick their way into fighting for their countries and pretend to be men, because women weren't allowed to. It's not a privilege if you don't have any say in it. If women could choose not to but men couldn't that would have been a privilege, but women weren't allowed to choose, (neither did the men who got drafted) but it's not a privilege to anyone if it's not their choice. A privilege is a special right or advantage which means that if women wanted to join the army but couldn't or had to lie their way in it wasn't a special right or advantage as it went against their wishes. They didn't have any right or say at all. I'm not saying it was right to force men to do it, or that some women weren't happy about it, but it was not a privilege, and I'm happy a lot of countries hires based on skill and not gender
Load More Replies...And another one who missed the point. Apart from that what you described -Women acting cute and flirty- is a societal pressure upon women. Act harshly, strong, decisive ('manly' in other words) and you will feel repercussions as a woman. Act unfriendly to a man who has power over you and you have very well to fear for your life (stalkers and worse).
Load More Replies...Men are far too vested in their superiority to see their privilege.
Load More Replies...That's easy to say when you are not the one facing the possibility of dying because men decided you have to wait until you have sepsis before you can get an abortion, even though the doctor has already determined that it isn't a viable pregnancy. Think about having something rotting inside of you, killing you, but the government says you can't do anything to prevent that until it may be too late.
Load More Replies..."Aren't held accountable"?!??!?!?!? Some of the things said in response to a crime against a person: "Why did you wear that?" "Why did you go there?" "Why did you stay with X?" "Well, you were drinking." "You were nice to them, what did you expect?" "You're pregnant? It's not mine." "You were out after dark?" "You don't carry mace / gun / knife / know krav maga?" We are nothing BUT held accountable every damn day, a$$h*le.
So basically all the examples of "female privilege" they come up with are part and parcel of the patriarchy itself. The origin of the man paying for the date came about as a demonstration that basically was saying "I can be a good provider." That's patriarchy saying that women can't provide for themselves. If that's the best argument they can come up with it's pretty lame!
Funny how all of the "female privilege" involves men trying to buy their way into someone's pants. If I were a woman, I would call that gross. Not a privilege.
Load More Replies...I almost died.. not once. But 2 fucken times because doctors didn't listen to me when I needed them to. I had a cyst rupture & I went into shock.. it wasn't until I drove myself WHILE EXPERIENCING ALL OF THIS to a hospital 2 hours away in a big city & got a female ER doctor that I was finally taken seriously. That was the first time. The second time was when I got pregnant & was having a miscarriage & they told me to go home & wear a pad & take some Tylenol. I told them "no something is seriously wrong. I'm telling you this isn't normal" turns out I had some kind of infection & I was literally dying. They dismissed my pain & as I was walking out of the ER I passed out cold & they were forced to run more tests. But yeah.... women are sooo privileged. I have no bodily autonomy. & thank god this happened years ago before I could potentially go to prison for having a fucken miscarriage. Yes, that's not a thing now. But the right is trying for it.
You should probably mark it as sarcasm 😉. Buy you're right, sadly
Load More Replies...Many men - too many - believe that women have the great privilege of serving men.
"Privilege refers to structures of power that are larger than any one person and their experience" That's what so many people miss. It's not just about individuals and their beliefs/attitudes, it's how privileges and discrimination are built into everything - our laws, our courts, our education - not just our social norms. That's what CRT is about, and frankly it *should* be taught in schools.
Jesus was a man and he had to die on a dàmn cross! How is that male privilege?!? Why didn't they nail is secretary up there?! Women have plenty of privilege: they can vote now, they can drive a car.... Where does it end?! Next thing you're gonna try and tell me is that women get to choose who is and isn't allowed to enter their body. (Sorry, not sorry....the sarcasm keeps me from crying.)
You forgot to mention that Wile E Coyote is male and he can never get a break!
Load More Replies...I am an American girl, here is my point of view: we don't have as many privileges. We often get underpaid, not taken seriously, and are statistically more likely to be harmed in some way by awful people. However, if a family is splitting up, women are more likely to get the child even if the woman isn't a suitable parent. Also, if a woman is abused and speaks up about it, people are more likely to do something about it. On top of that, women can act creepy around children and people will call it sweet. However, a lot of those "female privileges" are partially based on pretty privileges. Our society is stupid.
The whole "women are more likely to get custody" thing is a little bit more complex than usually it is presented: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115
Load More Replies...Wow, lots of incels and misogynist trolls in this thread. F**k 'em (but not literally, of course!)
Here's where I'm at as a dad. I have 3 daughters. If ANYONE pulls any s**t with them, I've learned I can't rely on the law to fix it. Take from that what you will.
Load More Replies...Could it be this particular TikTok hit a nerve? By the way, you can avoid giving BP any views much better by A. not commenting at all, and B. not putting the BP URL in your browser's address bar, ever.
Load More Replies...The patriarchal society in America is so encompassing and violent. I have internalized misogyny and as a woman need to check my people pleasing streak around men. I feel unsafe so defer to men and quiet my voice to avoid confrontation. Psychological safety in the workplace is nonexistent where I work. I don’t feel safe to call out things. It’s a crushing reality.
You are not alone, Happenstance. So many women feel as you do. It is one of the primary ways this patriarchal system oppresses women - keep them too uneasy, too afraid, to push back - so that we don't provoke a dangerous confrontation. Keep women feeling unsafe in even the most innocuous situations and retain power over them. It's real, and it *is* crushing.
Load More Replies...Yeah... definitely have more than one male friend (usually in their 20s to mid-thirties) who start ranting about how it's so stupid that women are getting 'all this attention' and they are getting 'bonuses' - and the c**p they talk about is............ stuff that they just get without having to say anything (example: hired for an advanced position - the guy says 'it's because she's a woman and now there's this whole treating them special trend') - and the moment you make ANY of the points noted above... they literally just... stop listening and say "Yeah, that's what you see, whatever."
Reading the comments section was like walking through a damn battlefield. Chill out everyone, unless someone is being a clay-brained clotpole. Then go on
Let's count all the ways that women are 'privileged' 1)Getting sexually harassed on the street by strangers simply by minding our own business walking down the street 2)Getting paid less to do the same job as a man 3) Getting fired for being pregnant 4) Not getting hired or being passed over for promotion because we're pregnant and we 'might decide to stay home after the baby is born'. 5)Being blamed for what we were wearing at the time we were raped 6)Becoming 2nd class citizen and losing the right to control our own bodies when the SCOTUS overthrew Roe v Wade 7) Taking on the majority of household obligations plus child rearing plus a full time job is the norm in a majority of relationships still 8) Representing 51% of the US population and STILL just 10% of CEOs in Fortune 500 companies are women and 38% of post graduate masters degrees are held by women. 9) The 'pink tax' Paying more for the same hygiene products that men use (razors, deodorant) because they're marketed towards women.
10) Paying $400 for the abortion pill to terminate a pregnancy when the actual pills cost pennies to manufacture. 11) Sexual Harassment in the workplace is illegal but it STILL goes on and goes unpunished at an astonishingly high rate and the majority of victims of sexual harassment are women.
Load More Replies...Um here in USA.. we don't even have the privilege of controlling our own bodies anymore.. or being believed if we get attacked.. our daughters cant even wear the clothes they want to because some hormone infested boy might get distracted in school.. maybe he is clueless as to what this word really means?
I’m held accountable for being a single mother. I didn’t get myself pregnant.
"Free drinks" are not really free. If you accept, you have to pay with your time and attention, and the guy is hoping to get you into bed with him.
RE: Medical. I had to have MAJOR surgery and didn't have anyone with me at the appt to discuss with surgeon. Surgeon was impatient and acted as though we're the customer, rather then me. He was surprised when I gave him what-for-and-then-some. 5 years later at a follow up exam, he thanked me for straightening him out - he said his patients reacted much better after I set him straight. I am amazed at how often I have to really dig in to get the same level of care my male friends get.
A lot of the criticisms of the posts are basically "Thing 1 cannot be true because Thing 2 exists." There are aspects of life that are unfair for women, many. That does not mean there are not aspects of life that are unfair for men. It's not limited to paying for drinks. And it varies within subcultures. I married a woman who legitimately thought there were "man jobs" and "woman jobs". She would not help with ANYTHING that strayed into my territory, no matter how minor. One level of unfairness does not justify nor negate the other, they are simply co-existing facts. It's not a competition, it's just acknowledging things that we can be aware of and create a more equal society that does not put any of us in boxes at birth. That include the box saying "You can't treated unfairly because....." How naive that would be.
If you look at metal load and free care work you see that this separation of 'men's work' and 'woman's work' also benefits men only.
Load More Replies...Lovely how she made no mention of race, she could list the offensive traits of the orange cheeto but did not list his racism. How not to see thst racism/sexism are two sides of the same coin.
this comment section is a cornucopia of "This comment is hidden. Click here to view."
This conversation is completely missing any nuance or any mention of intersectionality. Systems of oppression affect different people in different ways. There is absolutely a case to be made that systemic racial oppression has privileged white women over Black men. You don't have to look long or hard in the annals of US history to find laws forbidding Black men from 'laughing too loudly' in the presence of white women. Or lynchings, beatings, and arrests based on rumors or false stories created by white women. And you only have to look to the summer of 2020 to have seen a thankfully milder version of this story play out over bird watching in Central Park, New York. However, it could also be argued that both racism and sexism have affected Black women, thus the unfortunately necessary but inventive term misogynoir. But they don't appear at all in this tale, among other groups (LGTBQ+, IPOC, etc) If we're going to talk about systemic issues, we have to talk about the whole system.
Unfortunately, you're still seeing a lot of this from a point of view of male privilege. None of that was for the sake of the White women. These are rules made by White men. Those rules were made so that Black men did not reduce the value of the property of White men, i.e., women. The rules were made so that White men would not feel that their manhood was being threatened. Black men were lynched by White men because they saw any sexual advances by a Black man as a threat to their own manhood. White women are taught to fear Black men mostly because they are taught to fear any attack on White male manhood.
Load More Replies...As a woman who is against sexism of all forms, i disagree about female privilege not existing. Yes make privilege does exist and misogyny is still an ongoing problem, it is ignorant to deny that female privilege does exist. For instance, a female victim of r*pe/victim is more likely to be believed than a male victim. People are less likely to trust a male as a teacher/babysitter than a female.
Men and women have their privileges and disadvantages, this is coming from a woman
"Uhm akchully, privilege only goes one way and therefore men are privileged and women are oppressed" - 🤓
Load More Replies...It’s mostly men that die in war Most homeless are men Most deaths by suicide are men Most victims of violent crime are men Most people in prison are men Men get longer prison sentences for the same crime Men do most the dangerous jobs Men get awarded custody less than women Men, worldwide live 5 years less long Men and boys do worse in school at every level Some privilege.
They earn more. They are in positions of authority in majority. All presidents have been male. Only 342 women have ever been elected to the House of Representatives and only 41 women have ever been elected to Senate, yet we make up 51% of the population. Male privilege.
Load More Replies...Here’s one - The average sentence for female offenders was 29 months, compared to 49 months for male offenders. 78.6% were sentenced to prison, compared to 93.9% of male offenders, related to similar crimes. According to the United States Sentencing Commission.
Interesting to see this topic after watching last nights NBC/Peacock’s Dateline: about Sarah Jean Hartsfield. She went along for years, killing men and burning down houses, and always given the benefit of the doubt by male policemen. Finally, after her last murder she was caught by a woman detective and a woman prosecutor. Make of that what you will, but I have no problem trading any privilege I may have in the eyes of either side of this issue in place of all of us living in a just world.
Why don't c***s like you just f**k off and die ? We should drag whiny little feminist misandrist c***s like you who think women are poor oppressed victims out in the street, beat you and then shoot you in the back of the head. Die you f*****g feminazi c***s!
Aww poor overweight, greasy haired, pimply incel can't get laid because he's an offensive AH but wants to whine and blame women. It's your own fault that you are offensive to women and can't get laid, dude. Feminists are not to blame. Maybe wear deodorant once and a while and brush your teeth.
Load More Replies...wow. after not considering myself to be on the left anymore, you really do realise the buzzwords being used in articles like this and they never ever change. its insane how you realise how much bs is being written when you look at both sides of political beliefs. i'm a woman, i am starting ti laugh at the "patriarchy" "i hate men" "pay gap" articles. and no, i don't care about being downvoted, i don't mind men, i am not pretending to be some kind of opressed victim but because i am female 😂
Do you like being a 2nd class citizen in your own country, dear?
Load More Replies...The two privileges are grossly at opposite ends of each spectrum and your attempt at minimizing the topic displays the systemic gaslighting/brainwashing, perpetuating an elevated male platform with the occasional example of a woman winning favor. "Ladies, it's not that bad cuz remember that one time when a woman had the upper hand? So it's not really that bad for y'all." Am I the only person who notices the flagrant gaslighting?!?!
Load More Replies...And yet, here you are, helping BP's ad sales too. Oh you didn't click any ads? What a coincidence, most of us didn't. The only strawman here is you playing the Scarecrow of Oz, and attempting to discredit the contents of this post because it said something you didn't like.
Load More Replies...Why wouldn't it? In fact I would say given the current transphobic backlash aimed at trans women ( but not trans men for patriarcal reasons) that they are an especially under privileged group.
Load More Replies...As much as that is true most of it were because they weren't allowed to. There's a reason that some women had to trick their way into fighting for their countries and pretend to be men, because women weren't allowed to. It's not a privilege if you don't have any say in it. If women could choose not to but men couldn't that would have been a privilege, but women weren't allowed to choose, (neither did the men who got drafted) but it's not a privilege to anyone if it's not their choice. A privilege is a special right or advantage which means that if women wanted to join the army but couldn't or had to lie their way in it wasn't a special right or advantage as it went against their wishes. They didn't have any right or say at all. I'm not saying it was right to force men to do it, or that some women weren't happy about it, but it was not a privilege, and I'm happy a lot of countries hires based on skill and not gender
Load More Replies...And another one who missed the point. Apart from that what you described -Women acting cute and flirty- is a societal pressure upon women. Act harshly, strong, decisive ('manly' in other words) and you will feel repercussions as a woman. Act unfriendly to a man who has power over you and you have very well to fear for your life (stalkers and worse).
Load More Replies...Men are far too vested in their superiority to see their privilege.
Load More Replies...That's easy to say when you are not the one facing the possibility of dying because men decided you have to wait until you have sepsis before you can get an abortion, even though the doctor has already determined that it isn't a viable pregnancy. Think about having something rotting inside of you, killing you, but the government says you can't do anything to prevent that until it may be too late.
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