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Have you ever found yourself in a situation where someone was acting inappropriate, but no one besides you didn’t seem to notice? And you didn’t say anything just because you felt as if it would just make everything worse? This TikTok user @nayaaford asked her followers to share what is something that people find normal or even idealised when it is an example of toxic behaviour. In her video that has 49.6k likes and almost 3.5k comments, she pointed out that one of the examples of toxic behaviour is wanting a “significant other” who is unfriendly and even mean to other people just because this would mean that they are not going to cheat.

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#1

Minimizing your own experience by saying “others have it way worse than you”. No. My feelings are valid regardless of how worse it could be.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a balance here, though; you need to feel like your feelings are valid, but you also need perspective. too much either way is bad.

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It encouraged more people to share their examples of toxic behaviour in the comment section: overprotected partners who end up being control freaks, covering early abuse signs with “if someone is mean to you, it means they like you”, or blaming one’s bad behaviours or lack of responsibility to their zodiac sign. This endless list shows some ridiculous as well as serious problems that society faces but not really takes into consideration, instead they are simply normalised.

#2

Telling little girls "if hes being mean to you it means he likes you"... no.. just no

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Giving men glory for doing all the normal things women do..ie: cleaning, cooking, caring for their own kids, grocery shopping, etc

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I realize I am in the minority here - But I actually hate that it is assumed that my wife does all of those things and gets all the glory, when I am the one who does them all.

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The virality of the video and the number of comments of this TikTok video showed that people are actually aware of these toxic behaviours. But why then people get along with these situations? Most of them occur in the family and groups of friends. So not saying to your family member or a close friend that they are being unreasonable saves you from a fight that at first seems unnecessary because these people are close to you, so why would they want bad things for you?

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#4

People bragging that they are “brutally honest”. You can be honest without being Brutal.

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Thorfin Wolfsbane
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

most of the time, they just want to be brutal. the honesty is just coincidental

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Marianne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a difference between "Your work is s**t" and "Your work needs some improvement in several points".

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Susanne Müller
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Very true. And there’s a difference if you asked for somebody’s advice or not... too often this brutal honesty also comes paired with being unsolicited advice often targeted to put the other person down.

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H Edwards
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

'I tell it like it is, and if you don't like it then you can f*ck off' Yeah, I'll happily f*ck off, rude person.

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Wilf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who says "I just tell it like it is" is just a horrible person who enjoys being mean. And by the way, if you ever say "people either love me or hate me", you can guarantee that you are universally hated...

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Damo Lee Park
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"No, that jacket doesn't suit you" is honest but could end up with a 'that's just his opinion, I'll make my own decisions' situation "That jacket looks like the tailor had an epileptic fit whilst sewing, and the dyer was a blind, crippled leprechaun. I wouldn't let my DOG be caught dead in that" is brutally honest, and leaves no room for miscommunication

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Parmeisan
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2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But it's still just your opinion and as such can be chosen to be ignored. There is no legitimate reason to be rude when giving your opinion.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a difference between being 'honest' and just being a mean person

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Dawn Sardella-Ayres
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not only that, but what is true for you isn't necessarily true for everyone. Your "brutal honesty" isn't the only opinion.

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Hans
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Well, BP likes to use headlines from this scheme: "[Mom | Guy | Student] brutally honest tells about (Subject), get roasted".

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Alexis Bilodeau
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always give a warning before answering any "be honest" questions, like " you sure you want me to answer that? You won't like it"...turns out people are not used to honesty

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Sebastian Köster
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

maybe its because of the way you expressed your honesty. you can also be "brutal" honest without hurting the other one. maybe dont using insulting Words or however you express your honesty. maybe try to be more moderate and dont fall with the door in the house. then maybe the People are getting more used to "your" honesty.

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Sue Phillips
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Usually, people who brag about how honest they are, are liars.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Arguably, brutal honest may be necessary if the recipient can't (or won't) hear anything less. However, it shouldn't be the "go to" approach, and it should NEVER be bragged about.

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Phil Vaive
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does anybody think this is a positive trait, though? I mean, other than the people bragging about it?

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you go about it the right way, Yes. If you've tried talking to the person in a less hurtful approach and they haven't understood the different angles. I will calmly ask if I can be blunt about the situation or be brutal for a moment. But the way I speak also never lets people feel attacked, I don't feel like people should feel bad about themselves for "not knowing", everyone has their gaps so even though I am being very forward I'm usually just showing their impact they didn't think was a thing. Everyone says I have this strange calming ability with words, so maybe being brutal isn't quite what everyone should do.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There was an episode of some TV show (was it Bones?) about a group of people who decided that "extreme honesty" was the best philosophy. Needless to say, it did not end well.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What I mean is I’m going to say it like an asshole but I don’t want you to think I’m an asshole.

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Pamela Blue
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're not being honest. They're being cruel under the guise of it being a virtue.

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Sue Bradley
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When someone is being honest it should be about something factual ie the coat you are wearing is too tight (if it is too tight) an opinion is you look like a fat slob wearing that coat...

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deanna woods
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brutal honesty is just a nice way of saying "I am an insufferable asshole."

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When people add, "I'm just being honest..." or "can I be honest with you?" to clarify the crap they're about to say, it's manipulative and they need to figure out how to speak and be intelligent about it. You can say something very honest that you know will be hard for the person to understand or they might not like it, but tha's what "conversation" is supposed to be about

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one has been coming up a bit. Surely it has less to do with the 'honesty' and more about the general character of the person in question. Even if they delivered the honestly in a way that was palatable to you, is it likely that you would be seeking out this particular person's company in any other instance? Why is the style of delivery used for 'honesty' being singled out? Either you value this person's opinion, or you don’t. Vote with your feet.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's what my s aunt claims she is. She's really just a bitch. Also, it's HER honesty, as in what she believes, even if she's wrong.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people I have encountered who say they are "brutally honest" are in fact, either broadcasting a flagrant ignorance or apathy. Often both. I've never encountered what I would consider an intelligent person saying this.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

well, by this I'd go with "If I'm honest" to which my brain always wants to know what they've been before....

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#5

Don't come at me but moms who excessively drink wine to put up with their kids. you'll never convince me it's ok .

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Later all these saved fights turn little annoying behaviours into normalised habits: spitting something upsetting and then calling yourself “brutally honest”, being abusive towards your son’s/daughter’s partner, or spreading toxic positivity when clearly this is not the way to solve an occurring problem.

Do you also find some other things that people say or do to be toxic, or maybe you know an effective way on how to stop this kind of behaviour? Share your thoughts in the comments!

#7

Giving money to homeless on YouTube. Toxic. You don't need other people to see you doing charitable things for it to be worth doing.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also think about the people on the receiving end who probably don't want to be on some stranger's social media while they are in a bad place in their lives.

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#8

Toxic positivity... let people feel

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#9

They use their zodiac sign to justify their actions and anger issues.

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Marianne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who does that? I'm a Scorpio and I am so annoyed by all the negative prejudices. No, I am not a psychopath because I was born in November and I am certainly not going to make anyone believe that this is a thing.

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#10

Adhd- just because you were late a few times and got distracted by your friends in class doesn't mean you have it. It's not fun and quirky.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES don't just self-diagnose because you daydream. Tell me once a professional diagnoses you bitch

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#11

Being each other's “everything”. Nah y'all both need lives, family, and friends

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

#Facts. Sure you want to spend time with each other but you also have lives outside of it. I don't mean to ignore your partner either btw.

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#12

"Push yourself till it hurts” when it comes to work, school, physical activities. I don't get paid enough to go over my physical limits.

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#13

Treating trauma/traumatic events as a competition.

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#14

When the current gfs hate their boyfriends ex's for no other reason but the fact they dated him.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or exes who hate the current partner of their ex-partner for the same reason

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#15

Mother in law's being abusive towards their son mates it's normal in so many cultures and it's NEVER OKAY

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

let me tell you, my mother is getting married to her boyfriend and he has met my grandmother and she is NOT abusive nor is my mom's boyfriend's mom abusive to her as far as I know. this needs to stop since it puts a bad name of MIL

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#16

Men not taking care of their children because they have a new woman in their life

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#17

The whole “respect your elders” where I agree, you should show respect but there is a lot of disrespectful elderly and people in general who don't

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Marianne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I generally try to show respect to every person I meet until they give me reason to stop respecting them.

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#18

But we got a baby together so we gotta stay together

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Marianne
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Kids might prefer divorced parents to a home where fights and anger are a daily issue.

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#19

Overprotective partners - your partner should trust your judgment enough to let you stand up for yourself or ask for their help when it's needed

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many romantic movies do this and it irritates me. So many creepy or abusive actions or traits are seen as romantic in movies because the love interest is physically attractive. Just stop....

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#20

Hustle culture for me. Would rather have a good paying 9-5 than 3 entrepreneural "hustles"

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denzoren
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Hustle" has just become so overused and watered down. What they don't show you is 95% of those "hustlers" have financial support outside of the hustle.

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#21

People romanticise "being crazy" in relationships. "Yeah she's so crazy, she deleted every girl off my Facebook, she's so crazy I love her though

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#22

Friendzoning! setting boundaries in friendships should be okay. no one owes you getting into a relationship

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one is weird. The Friend Zone just means that someone you like doesn't like you back, it will happen to every adult at some point in their life, it has nothing to do with being owed something.

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#23

Going through your partners phone

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is actually rlly disrespectful and disgusting. m8, if they let you use their phone its bc they trust you. don't exploit that.

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Possessive partners

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am assuming they mean a partner that wants to know exactly what you're doing every second of the day and want you to be with them 24/7....I'm assuming.

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#25

The ‘psycho' girlfriend. There's a difference between boundaries and control/abuse

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#26

The concept of forgiveness nowadays is just "oh yeah they hurt you and u prob have trauma u will deal with forever but just forgive and move on" um no

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah like my ex friends beat me up ( I had bruises) I got horrible anxiety that they would stab me while I was outside bc my mum asked me to go to the store, after the weekend one of them ( didn't even apologise) asked if we could be friends again and I said no bc they beat me caused me pain and anxiety and made me scared to go outside

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#27

When people talk about beating there kids or scaring there kids

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel that this attitude has thankfully changed in the part of the world that I live in, it seems mad to me that someone would think that hitting a child is somehow okay.

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#28

I don't know if this is toxic but people think that because two people have been together for years their relationship is perfect and healthy.

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

love can break down. it doesn't matter how long you have been together it matters if your love is still strong that can build up a relationship

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#29

Any beauty standards

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Best way to improve your body image: Throw away any fashion magazines. Go to places where you see real people's bodies, e.g. public pools. (Saunas if you live in a place where this is a thing. Seeing naked strangers will show you that NO ONE has the perfect body.)

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#30

Couples that take pride in being each other's only friends and spend ALL their time together. It's good to be separate from your partner sometimes

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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

spend some time with family, friends, or just alone time for yourself

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