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“We’ve Spent Close To $2,000 On All The Materials”: Relatives Invoice Bride After Finding Out They Weren’t Invited To The Wedding
“We’ve Spent Close To $2,000 On All The Materials”: Relatives Invoice Bride After Finding Out They Weren’t Invited To The Wedding
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“We’ve Spent Close To $2,000 On All The Materials”: Relatives Invoice Bride After Finding Out They Weren’t Invited To The Wedding

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It’s no secret that having a wedding is expensive. In the United States, the average cost of tying the knot in 2021 was $28,000, plus an additional $6,000 if you include the engagement ring. Of course, there is no real need to spend exorbitant amounts of money on your special day, but the charges can add up quickly, especially if you’re inviting many guests. 

If a couple is strategic, they might be able to receive free or discounted services from some of their friends, in lieu of traditional wedding gifts. But the assumption is that if someone is providing a service or bending over backwards for your wedding, the least they can get in return is an invitation.

One frustrated business owner recently shared on Reddit that him and his wife’s generosity came back to bite them after they didn’t receive an invitation to a family member’s wedding. Below, you can read the full story of how the couple spent thousands of dollars on materials for the occasion, as well as an interview we were lucky enough to receive from Jessica Bishop, founder of The Budget Savvy Bride. Let us know in the comments if you’ve ever found yourself in a similar situation or how you would react if a relative used you in this way. Then, if you’re looking for another Bored Panda article featuring family drama after someone was not invited to a wedding, look no further than right here!

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    After being shocked to find out they weren’t invited, this couple decided to invoice the bride for all of the money they spent on materials for her wedding

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    Later, the business owner filled in additional details and responded to several readers

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    It’s completely understandable for a couple to try to spend as little as possible on their wedding ceremony and reception. Very few of us can spend without a care in the world, and if you have friends or family members who can be resources, why not ask them if they’d be willing to help out? But planning a wedding does not mean you can throw social etiquette out the window or have the right to treat your friends and family members poorly.

    To gain some insight on this topic, we reached out to Jessica Bishop, founder of The Budget Savvy Bride. “If you’re asking someone you know and care about to give their time, effort, and energy to you for free or at a discounted rate for your wedding, it would be considered rude not to invite them to the celebration,” Jessica told Bored Panda. “Just imagine how you’d feel if you were on the receiving end of that type of exchange. It doesn’t feel good. Put yourself in their shoes before you ask for a favor.”

    We were also curious what Jessica’s thoughts were on what exactly is appropriate to ask for from a friend or family member for your wedding. “When it comes to asking for favors for your wedding, the line of how much is too much is nuanced and likely dependent upon your relationship with the person you’re asking for help,” she explained. 

    “Consider the value of the time and effort required, as well as the hard costs of whatever service or product they are providing. If the value of that item is higher than you’d feel comfortable receiving from them as a gift in cash, it might be too much.” That’s a great rule of thumb. And considering that guests spend about $150 on wedding gifts on average, this couple went way above and beyond with their generosity. 

    Jessica also believes that, in this case, the couple is justified for billing the bride and groom. “The [soon to be married] couple left them under the assumption that they were invited, which isn’t very courteous or respectful,” she explained. “Since they didn’t proactively communicate the changes to their guest list, it’s understandable that the printers may feel hurt and taken advantage of. I think it’s totally fair to at least charge the hard costs of the work under the circumstances, as the work was done under the assumption that they would be joining in on the celebration.”

    Finally, when it comes to wedding etiquette, Jessica says, “Don’t be a jerk! If you are asking for certain items from family or friends in lieu of a gift for the wedding, it can be assumed that the individual has skill in that area, whether as a professional or a hobbyist. Value their time and effort as such!” If you’d like to hear more insight from Jessica or learn some money-saving tips for weddings, be sure to visit The Budget Savvy Bride right here.

    We would love to hear your thoughts down below, too, pandas. Have you ever provided a free service as a wedding gift? And how would you respond in this couple’s situation? Let us know what you think, and then if you’re interested in reading another Bored Panda article following family drama around wedding invitations, look no further than right here!

    Readers have unanimously agreed that the couple was justified in charging the bride and groom

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    Dizzie D
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jeezus how can you not invite your own cousin who has done all that for you for free? And then act all surprised and nasty when their feelings are hurt and they then charge you? What do people like this expect? The only people who have ruined the wedding is the greedy a*s bride and groom.

    N Miller
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate them - they are the centre of the universe because it's their special day (for extra fun, watch what happens to one of these couples when they discover that other people *dare* to have a birthday or (even worse) their own anniversary on THEIR SPECIAL DAY). it's never clear if these people are selfish AHs in other parts of their lives, but for some reason weddings bring out the worst in them.

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    Nikki Angulo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had a friend make our wedding cake, and we still paid him something like $100 or $200 to cover materials and stuff (it wasn't a huge cake, but it was tiered, and nicely decorated.) He wasn't a professional baker or anything, but we insisted on paying him something!

    Bec
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    SIL made our cake and it was going to be a gift, when she realized the cost she asked my mom to pay for a portion of it

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    Rahul Pawa
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA though I would suggest setting boundaries earlier about costs. They said when they usually do this it's $2-300 worth of materials. As soon as they reached that cost, there should have been a discussion about paying for more changes. When your friend or family owns a business, paying them for their services is a great way to show support. Going to them for a handout is selfish.

    Ash
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, a lot of people don't realize how much small changes can cost. The bride and groom may not have realized how much they were costing them. Which doesn't excuse them not inviting them to wedding, either. ...Actually, come to think of it, the bride has a wedding planner. So the wedding planner DEFINITELY would or at least should know how much that kind of thing costs! So nvm yeah bride's def the one in the wrong here. (I would love to know the wedding planner's view of events...)

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    Paul Rabit
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These articles always end with “and now we are getting calls and texts from all their family and friends telling us x”. Who are these busybodies?? I’d never go around calling someone regarding an issue I wasn’t directly involved with - it’s SO odd. Also these folks are NTA, clearly.

    Ches Yamada
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Look up the term "flying monkeys" - it might seem odd to those who happily never dealt with the phenomenon but unfortunately you can see it's pretty common. :/

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    Gonzalo Terán
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They downsized the wedding, but still have a wedding planner? Seems BS to me. I also work as a photographer, but not an events one, so I took pics for my close family and friends not being asked to. But when someone aproaches me with the "You´re invited, just bring your big camera and take all the pictures" line, I decline right there, and also move the person (or persons) from the family or friends´list to the acquaintances´ one...

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the police. Not that there's anything they can do right now. But describe the background and the threatening calls, and say that you fear harassment, assault, and a possible break-in to obtain the wedding material. Give them the names of everyone involved, especially those groomsmen. If something does actually happen, the cops will come in knowing the full picture already. They tend to do more for you when that happens. And tell everyone who contacts you from then on that you have informed the police and have named names.

    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a stranger were to threaten us for free work, we would likely call the cops. When family does it, we wonder if we're @ssholes. NTA, OP. I think you and wife have been far too generous. Save the threatening messages in case you need legal protection.

    Thor Haugen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say that the OP and wife should cut those people out of their lives. Block whoever is bothering them. Life is too short for toxic people.

    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They can afford a wedding planner but not to invite other people to the wedding? UGH. Some people have their priorities out of whack.

    ItsJess
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who was truly "downsizing" wouldn't afford or need a wedding planner

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    JL
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even if you trim down the invite list, you make sure someone doing this kind of work makes the cut.

    keighterz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How are this bride and groom not embarrassed?! If a family member did something like this for me I would be offering them my services for a while like free babysitting. I absolutely insist on paying my family for their help, especially if it’s something relating to the business they own. Heck I paid my sister for helping me make a piñata for my son’s birthday. She refused so I bought her dinner instead.

    The Cute Cat
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA.. How dare. We also using service from one of my wife relative on our special day. But we paying, albeit in a generous discount.

    Samara Messer
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A now former friend that got married didn't invite several close friends due to lack of space or whatever but still sent them the info to her gift registry because the invited guests didn't buy her everything she wanted.. Needless to say, they were offended and didn't buy her a gift.

    Juanjo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the groom and tell him he has a 6 hours window to stop any further threat from the family. Any threat received after, and all the material will be destroyed. Ah, and charge them full price. For their behavior after insulting them in many occasions.

    Bruce Evans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't destroy for real. Let them believe it, though. Keep stuff as demos of your work to show future customers your abilities. Make lemonade from your lemons!

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    Eline
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. This cousin acting like a victim when she's the bad guy is just pathetic, and the family /husband/friends who are threatening OP and his wife are too. I hope a bird s**t on the cousin and her husband.

    Auntriarch
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope the bird has eaten blackberries first

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    Hoodoo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. This is totally on the cousin & seeing that she's willing to die on this hill displays how she really regards OP. I had a vacay rental & learned to either gift stays or charge regular price when it came ta fam & friends. The policy saved us yrs of gratuitous drama..Cuz was shortsighted, tacky, & rude- I'd keep her & her hubs @ arm's length.

    ItsJess
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents owned a coffee business that supplied the coffee for all of my (many, I'm Italian) cousins' ginormous weddings at zero charge, even factoring cost of the green coffee beans, the time it took for my dad to roast the coffee and package it, everything- all for free. It was excellent, single origin, Fair Trade coffee that retails for about $16 a pound- so enough for several weddings, hundreds of people...you do the math. They were happy to do it because that's what you do for your family. If they'd not been invited to one of these weddings, they would have been crushed, and also felt totally used. Its not even the money (it may be for a small business) but the principle. You do things because you care, but the other half of that social contract is to not take advantage of someone's generosity. These folks are wonderful, kind people and absolutely NOT THE AHOLE

    Shirley Landry
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unbelievable, definitely not the a**hole but definitely they were dealing with a**holes. To expect a 2K wedding gift from family or anyone not invited to your wedding is major a**hole behavior.

    Jo Jo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel guilty when I ask the optician at Pearle Vision to redo lenses that are off a little, and it's not costing that person a red cent. If they were able to communicate multiple changes they were able to communicate the change of venue and invitation list.

    Bruce Evans
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The very first communication after the downsizing should have been that they weren't invited! They're family, they're providing a free service in lieu of a gift. They've earned an invite & a free plate of food & slice of cake. That's before all the changes & additions.

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    Clara Stallworth
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once subbed as a photographer for my little sister's wedding when the one they'd hired bailed on them at the last minute. So I took the photos, essentially abandoning my wedding date who came with me (he was gracious enough to stick around for the reception). The pictures came out nice, and the couple were appreciative...but not enough to pay me! Needless to say, the marriage fizzled out after 10 years and three daughters. The next time I did it was for a cousin of a husband of another sister. Everything came out beautifully, and the couple were happy with my work...and paid me $300 cash money!!

    Julian Scherner
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At this point you are not family but a service provider. Add some overhead to that 2K and issue the invoice. And that's that.

    Mollyann Murphy
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA It was very generous of you and your wife to only require or more likely expect an invitation to the wedding,it is too bad your kind hearts got the better of you. $2000.00 is a lot of money.And has far exceeded any wedding gift I have ever given. It really should have been mentioned at least to the wedding planner when yet more changes were made. As far as the groomsmen go if they want to get involved they should help pay the bill. Other than that that is not their job.

    Rob Eman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's unanimous!! Again ...

    Julie MommaWolf
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Has the wedding happened? Did they pay? You all a definitely NOT THE A*****E. Family reunions might be awkward but who cares. They did not treat you like friends OR family.

    Marsha Giebas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if the wedding planner got paid….

    Jude Laskowski
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even if someone was close family or a friend, I would offer to pay the full price. If they wanted to give me a discount, that would be great. NTA!

    K-Dawn Bennett
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our whole wedding didn't cost $2000! A friend made the maid of honor dress, the bridesmaid dress and the cake. She had the exact flowers I wanted from a birthday cake she made in the freezer. She was going to do it for free but I insisted I pay her and we invited the family to the wedding. LIFE-SIZED cut outs?!? Oh brother how stupid. Record the threats and report those idiots.

    Dave Hinckley
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People expect stuff for free because they're related. I used to do IT support, which meant I was the family's free tech support. Then I started asking each person if the thing was on, then asked "are you sure?" They eventually caught on. Sometimes I told them my price was $150/hr, 4 hour minimum. THAT worked.

    bill marsano
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't deliver the goods until the check clears the bank. These people tried to screw you once and will to do it again. And if you're willing to do some checking around you can probably find out when they booked the wedding venue. Odds are they had the 'downsized' space booked from get-go.

    Deidre Westover
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband and I got married in a field behind his sister's motel (much nicer than it sounds.) She let us use a room to get dressed in. My son's archery coach who went to high-school with my husband officiated. One of his best friend's wives has a fancy camera and took pictures. We paid them all, and gave them a small gift, because we are not horrible, horrible people.

    Anna Harding
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Years ago I had a friend who got her cake for free - then didn’t invite the professional bakers who made it 😡 I was the maid of honor and I begged her to invite them. They had known her all her life and it wasn’t going to affect costs so much to add in two more people. I felt so bad when the guy dropped off the cake at the reception himself, in his bakers clothing. He looked so sad…

    Nancy Lynch
    Community Member
    Premium
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Talk to a lawyer.

    Syl Clark
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remember what the disgruntled Disney ArtiSt did to the caStle on tHe cOver of the LittlE Mermaid VHS tape? He made a penis in one of the castles. Put "a**holes somewhere in their invites in bold lettering spaces out, like i did here. They only considered you family when your printer was running for them. Family always screws you first and the hardest. $5 says they dont make it to 5 years.

    Martha J
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell them if they continue the threats you will contact the police and also their lucky that your giving them a break on the price...

    CL Rowan
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd charge full material price AND LABOR, which includes extra for all the 'corrections'. Paid in CASH, BEFORE receipt of goods. PERIOD.

    Mine Truly
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, but learn how to say "heyyy so this is getting too expensive" instead of letting someone bulldoze an unspoken boundary and then getting hurt by the cost later.

    James DiMaio
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just curious if they ever paid? And why weren't they expecting to pay? Was there any discussion about no cost? They definitely were never going to invite you? And are they low income and cant afford to have a bigger wedding or just being cheap?

    Lianna Bolt
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finances are always a touchy subject. My family paid for my husband’s & my wedding. I thought this was reasonable considering his whole family had to travel long distances to just get to our wedding. My whole family, including first cousins, all basically live in the same town we had our wedding. I have a large family, while my husband’s is smaller. Gifts were not expected as we were just happy to have everyone together celebrating with us.

    Juanjo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the groom and tell him he has a 6 hours window to stop any further threat from the family. Any threat received after, and all the material will be destroyed. Ah, and charge them full price. For their behavior after insulting them in many occasions.

    David Hobbs
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with these comments, but is there any contract with them. Verbal can count. They might try to sue for pain and suffering. Delivering the goods and taking them to small claims court might be safer.That marriage is doomed.

    Orangefox
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Entitled people...they have no shame nor decent moral values from what I read

    Marsha Giebas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if the wedding planner was paid…..

    Atomic Playz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are we not gonna talk about the username 💀

    Debs Bee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am stupefied by stories like this. Who is raising these people to believe the world owes them something?!? PAY THE MONEY you owe these generous, kind people!!!!

    bri james
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree they used these cousins, NTA, the bride sure is the A for giving their pH number out, tell them to f off

    Ivona
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you did similar services for your friends' weddings and events in the past, did they always invite you to their weddings and events? When you agreed to do the banners, signage, life cutouts, etc. for your wife's cousin, did you specify that you expect to be invited to the wedding?

    Liz King
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hear where you’re going with your questions, but common decency requires one to either pay for a person’s services or AT LEAST invite a family member who offers their services. While I think the OP probably should’ve set a monetary limit far below $2k and at the first request of an edit, told them their generosity has a limit, the OPs sound like extremely generous people, eager to help family members. But, really, the bride and groom were clearly taking advantage of their generosity. They should’ve either paid them or treated them like family and invited them to the wedding. Honestly, for $2k in services, they should’ve invited them AND offered to pay the OP for at least part of their services. In the end, they were extremely rude and entitled and there’s no excuse for that. NTA.

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    DD
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just tell the wedding planner or the couple everything you have contracted to provide will be at the wedding. Obviously since there is no contract, nothing will need to be delivered. When somebody wants to sign a contract for whatever y'all agree to, Then worry about delivering a product. As to people speaking of a wedding planner; I'm pretty sure there is a contract there so the couple might as well utilize the services they will be paying for.

    Mad McQueen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like they didn't want the attention of your products to take away from their day. Good riddance to freebie scavengers

    Kat Min
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's seldom that I am so of one mind, but then we all are. NTA! In fact, nices than I might have been because he's only charging material, not time. Fck that cousin. I hope it will rain all day on her big day. I like that he will not deliver unless he gets paid.

    Joyce Murotani
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You were close enough relatives for them to hit you up for free services rendered, but not an invitation to their wedding, personally, if it were me, I would burn every single thing I had made for them, and just simply consider it a hard lesson learned. You are NTA

    Joyce Murotani
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You and your wife were close enough family members that the bride took advantage of the two of you, personally I would burn everything I made for them, and consider it a hard lesson learned.

    Rumina Io
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm planning a wedding at the moment and keeping it small, because that's what we can afford! Having a small wedding should mean you dont have to beg from and exploit friends and family.

    pug nose curly tail
    Community Member
    Premium
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how this turned out. Does anyone know? And totally NTA

    madbakes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are no updates on Reddit. It was posted a month ago.

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    DN X
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How can people think can get away harassing others after fking them over? I am white and it seems like 90% of these losers are my race with this white privilege attitude that make me puke.

    El MasChingon
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate when they add getting threatening calls from people they don't know to all these post, like dude if you don't know them why you even try and explain yourself just tell them to f**k off and hang up, and you are both the a******s them for thinking this was free you for not being up front that this wasn't free

    Bruce Evans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP Not the ahole! Initially, it WAS free in return for a wedding invite. The downsizing & everything after is where the problems started. The bride tried to stiff them on their friendship. Uncool.

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    3 years ago

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    “We do this all the time but never charge”; then why should she expect it? Do you normally set the condition of being invited? Don’t work for free! All it does is teach people you will work for free!

    Mary Rogers
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone knows that if you ask for a favor like that then they should be invited. That's their wedding gift, and no one who isn't invited owes anyone a wedding gift. This is basic wedding etiquette.

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    Donkeywheel
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    3 years ago

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    2k to cover only materials means the retail overall price would be far above 10k. You’re not paying ink and paper you’re paying labor and machines. So 10k Just for printing. That’s enormous for a classic wedding. Even more for a simple one in a family where money is obviously scarce. I find it very very hard to believe. As usual the story is probably real in some extent but terribly terribly exaggerated

    Stump Rumpersonne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you always insert information you made up to prove a point you also just made up?

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    Dizzie D
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Jeezus how can you not invite your own cousin who has done all that for you for free? And then act all surprised and nasty when their feelings are hurt and they then charge you? What do people like this expect? The only people who have ruined the wedding is the greedy a*s bride and groom.

    N Miller
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They expect the world to bend over backwards to accommodate them - they are the centre of the universe because it's their special day (for extra fun, watch what happens to one of these couples when they discover that other people *dare* to have a birthday or (even worse) their own anniversary on THEIR SPECIAL DAY). it's never clear if these people are selfish AHs in other parts of their lives, but for some reason weddings bring out the worst in them.

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    Nikki Angulo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We had a friend make our wedding cake, and we still paid him something like $100 or $200 to cover materials and stuff (it wasn't a huge cake, but it was tiered, and nicely decorated.) He wasn't a professional baker or anything, but we insisted on paying him something!

    Bec
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    SIL made our cake and it was going to be a gift, when she realized the cost she asked my mom to pay for a portion of it

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    Rahul Pawa
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA though I would suggest setting boundaries earlier about costs. They said when they usually do this it's $2-300 worth of materials. As soon as they reached that cost, there should have been a discussion about paying for more changes. When your friend or family owns a business, paying them for their services is a great way to show support. Going to them for a handout is selfish.

    Ash
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, a lot of people don't realize how much small changes can cost. The bride and groom may not have realized how much they were costing them. Which doesn't excuse them not inviting them to wedding, either. ...Actually, come to think of it, the bride has a wedding planner. So the wedding planner DEFINITELY would or at least should know how much that kind of thing costs! So nvm yeah bride's def the one in the wrong here. (I would love to know the wedding planner's view of events...)

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    Paul Rabit
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These articles always end with “and now we are getting calls and texts from all their family and friends telling us x”. Who are these busybodies?? I’d never go around calling someone regarding an issue I wasn’t directly involved with - it’s SO odd. Also these folks are NTA, clearly.

    Ches Yamada
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Look up the term "flying monkeys" - it might seem odd to those who happily never dealt with the phenomenon but unfortunately you can see it's pretty common. :/

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    Gonzalo Terán
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They downsized the wedding, but still have a wedding planner? Seems BS to me. I also work as a photographer, but not an events one, so I took pics for my close family and friends not being asked to. But when someone aproaches me with the "You´re invited, just bring your big camera and take all the pictures" line, I decline right there, and also move the person (or persons) from the family or friends´list to the acquaintances´ one...

    Michael Largey
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the police. Not that there's anything they can do right now. But describe the background and the threatening calls, and say that you fear harassment, assault, and a possible break-in to obtain the wedding material. Give them the names of everyone involved, especially those groomsmen. If something does actually happen, the cops will come in knowing the full picture already. They tend to do more for you when that happens. And tell everyone who contacts you from then on that you have informed the police and have named names.

    Seedy Vine
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a stranger were to threaten us for free work, we would likely call the cops. When family does it, we wonder if we're @ssholes. NTA, OP. I think you and wife have been far too generous. Save the threatening messages in case you need legal protection.

    Thor Haugen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say that the OP and wife should cut those people out of their lives. Block whoever is bothering them. Life is too short for toxic people.

    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They can afford a wedding planner but not to invite other people to the wedding? UGH. Some people have their priorities out of whack.

    ItsJess
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anyone who was truly "downsizing" wouldn't afford or need a wedding planner

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    JL
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even if you trim down the invite list, you make sure someone doing this kind of work makes the cut.

    keighterz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How are this bride and groom not embarrassed?! If a family member did something like this for me I would be offering them my services for a while like free babysitting. I absolutely insist on paying my family for their help, especially if it’s something relating to the business they own. Heck I paid my sister for helping me make a piñata for my son’s birthday. She refused so I bought her dinner instead.

    The Cute Cat
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA.. How dare. We also using service from one of my wife relative on our special day. But we paying, albeit in a generous discount.

    Samara Messer
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A now former friend that got married didn't invite several close friends due to lack of space or whatever but still sent them the info to her gift registry because the invited guests didn't buy her everything she wanted.. Needless to say, they were offended and didn't buy her a gift.

    Juanjo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the groom and tell him he has a 6 hours window to stop any further threat from the family. Any threat received after, and all the material will be destroyed. Ah, and charge them full price. For their behavior after insulting them in many occasions.

    Bruce Evans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't destroy for real. Let them believe it, though. Keep stuff as demos of your work to show future customers your abilities. Make lemonade from your lemons!

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    Eline
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. This cousin acting like a victim when she's the bad guy is just pathetic, and the family /husband/friends who are threatening OP and his wife are too. I hope a bird s**t on the cousin and her husband.

    Auntriarch
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hope the bird has eaten blackberries first

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    Hoodoo
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. This is totally on the cousin & seeing that she's willing to die on this hill displays how she really regards OP. I had a vacay rental & learned to either gift stays or charge regular price when it came ta fam & friends. The policy saved us yrs of gratuitous drama..Cuz was shortsighted, tacky, & rude- I'd keep her & her hubs @ arm's length.

    ItsJess
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My parents owned a coffee business that supplied the coffee for all of my (many, I'm Italian) cousins' ginormous weddings at zero charge, even factoring cost of the green coffee beans, the time it took for my dad to roast the coffee and package it, everything- all for free. It was excellent, single origin, Fair Trade coffee that retails for about $16 a pound- so enough for several weddings, hundreds of people...you do the math. They were happy to do it because that's what you do for your family. If they'd not been invited to one of these weddings, they would have been crushed, and also felt totally used. Its not even the money (it may be for a small business) but the principle. You do things because you care, but the other half of that social contract is to not take advantage of someone's generosity. These folks are wonderful, kind people and absolutely NOT THE AHOLE

    Shirley Landry
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unbelievable, definitely not the a**hole but definitely they were dealing with a**holes. To expect a 2K wedding gift from family or anyone not invited to your wedding is major a**hole behavior.

    Jo Jo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel guilty when I ask the optician at Pearle Vision to redo lenses that are off a little, and it's not costing that person a red cent. If they were able to communicate multiple changes they were able to communicate the change of venue and invitation list.

    Bruce Evans
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    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The very first communication after the downsizing should have been that they weren't invited! They're family, they're providing a free service in lieu of a gift. They've earned an invite & a free plate of food & slice of cake. That's before all the changes & additions.

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    Clara Stallworth
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once subbed as a photographer for my little sister's wedding when the one they'd hired bailed on them at the last minute. So I took the photos, essentially abandoning my wedding date who came with me (he was gracious enough to stick around for the reception). The pictures came out nice, and the couple were appreciative...but not enough to pay me! Needless to say, the marriage fizzled out after 10 years and three daughters. The next time I did it was for a cousin of a husband of another sister. Everything came out beautifully, and the couple were happy with my work...and paid me $300 cash money!!

    Julian Scherner
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At this point you are not family but a service provider. Add some overhead to that 2K and issue the invoice. And that's that.

    Mollyann Murphy
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA It was very generous of you and your wife to only require or more likely expect an invitation to the wedding,it is too bad your kind hearts got the better of you. $2000.00 is a lot of money.And has far exceeded any wedding gift I have ever given. It really should have been mentioned at least to the wedding planner when yet more changes were made. As far as the groomsmen go if they want to get involved they should help pay the bill. Other than that that is not their job.

    Rob Eman
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's unanimous!! Again ...

    Julie MommaWolf
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Has the wedding happened? Did they pay? You all a definitely NOT THE A*****E. Family reunions might be awkward but who cares. They did not treat you like friends OR family.

    Marsha Giebas
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if the wedding planner got paid….

    Jude Laskowski
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even if someone was close family or a friend, I would offer to pay the full price. If they wanted to give me a discount, that would be great. NTA!

    K-Dawn Bennett
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our whole wedding didn't cost $2000! A friend made the maid of honor dress, the bridesmaid dress and the cake. She had the exact flowers I wanted from a birthday cake she made in the freezer. She was going to do it for free but I insisted I pay her and we invited the family to the wedding. LIFE-SIZED cut outs?!? Oh brother how stupid. Record the threats and report those idiots.

    Dave Hinckley
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People expect stuff for free because they're related. I used to do IT support, which meant I was the family's free tech support. Then I started asking each person if the thing was on, then asked "are you sure?" They eventually caught on. Sometimes I told them my price was $150/hr, 4 hour minimum. THAT worked.

    bill marsano
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't deliver the goods until the check clears the bank. These people tried to screw you once and will to do it again. And if you're willing to do some checking around you can probably find out when they booked the wedding venue. Odds are they had the 'downsized' space booked from get-go.

    Deidre Westover
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband and I got married in a field behind his sister's motel (much nicer than it sounds.) She let us use a room to get dressed in. My son's archery coach who went to high-school with my husband officiated. One of his best friend's wives has a fancy camera and took pictures. We paid them all, and gave them a small gift, because we are not horrible, horrible people.

    Anna Harding
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Years ago I had a friend who got her cake for free - then didn’t invite the professional bakers who made it 😡 I was the maid of honor and I begged her to invite them. They had known her all her life and it wasn’t going to affect costs so much to add in two more people. I felt so bad when the guy dropped off the cake at the reception himself, in his bakers clothing. He looked so sad…

    Nancy Lynch
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Talk to a lawyer.

    Syl Clark
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remember what the disgruntled Disney ArtiSt did to the caStle on tHe cOver of the LittlE Mermaid VHS tape? He made a penis in one of the castles. Put "a**holes somewhere in their invites in bold lettering spaces out, like i did here. They only considered you family when your printer was running for them. Family always screws you first and the hardest. $5 says they dont make it to 5 years.

    Martha J
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell them if they continue the threats you will contact the police and also their lucky that your giving them a break on the price...

    CL Rowan
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd charge full material price AND LABOR, which includes extra for all the 'corrections'. Paid in CASH, BEFORE receipt of goods. PERIOD.

    Mine Truly
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, but learn how to say "heyyy so this is getting too expensive" instead of letting someone bulldoze an unspoken boundary and then getting hurt by the cost later.

    James DiMaio
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just curious if they ever paid? And why weren't they expecting to pay? Was there any discussion about no cost? They definitely were never going to invite you? And are they low income and cant afford to have a bigger wedding or just being cheap?

    Lianna Bolt
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finances are always a touchy subject. My family paid for my husband’s & my wedding. I thought this was reasonable considering his whole family had to travel long distances to just get to our wedding. My whole family, including first cousins, all basically live in the same town we had our wedding. I have a large family, while my husband’s is smaller. Gifts were not expected as we were just happy to have everyone together celebrating with us.

    Juanjo
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Call the groom and tell him he has a 6 hours window to stop any further threat from the family. Any threat received after, and all the material will be destroyed. Ah, and charge them full price. For their behavior after insulting them in many occasions.

    David Hobbs
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with these comments, but is there any contract with them. Verbal can count. They might try to sue for pain and suffering. Delivering the goods and taking them to small claims court might be safer.That marriage is doomed.

    Orangefox
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Entitled people...they have no shame nor decent moral values from what I read

    Marsha Giebas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if the wedding planner was paid…..

    Atomic Playz
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are we not gonna talk about the username 💀

    Debs Bee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am stupefied by stories like this. Who is raising these people to believe the world owes them something?!? PAY THE MONEY you owe these generous, kind people!!!!

    bri james
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree they used these cousins, NTA, the bride sure is the A for giving their pH number out, tell them to f off

    Ivona
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you did similar services for your friends' weddings and events in the past, did they always invite you to their weddings and events? When you agreed to do the banners, signage, life cutouts, etc. for your wife's cousin, did you specify that you expect to be invited to the wedding?

    Liz King
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hear where you’re going with your questions, but common decency requires one to either pay for a person’s services or AT LEAST invite a family member who offers their services. While I think the OP probably should’ve set a monetary limit far below $2k and at the first request of an edit, told them their generosity has a limit, the OPs sound like extremely generous people, eager to help family members. But, really, the bride and groom were clearly taking advantage of their generosity. They should’ve either paid them or treated them like family and invited them to the wedding. Honestly, for $2k in services, they should’ve invited them AND offered to pay the OP for at least part of their services. In the end, they were extremely rude and entitled and there’s no excuse for that. NTA.

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    DD
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just tell the wedding planner or the couple everything you have contracted to provide will be at the wedding. Obviously since there is no contract, nothing will need to be delivered. When somebody wants to sign a contract for whatever y'all agree to, Then worry about delivering a product. As to people speaking of a wedding planner; I'm pretty sure there is a contract there so the couple might as well utilize the services they will be paying for.

    Mad McQueen
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like they didn't want the attention of your products to take away from their day. Good riddance to freebie scavengers

    Kat Min
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's seldom that I am so of one mind, but then we all are. NTA! In fact, nices than I might have been because he's only charging material, not time. Fck that cousin. I hope it will rain all day on her big day. I like that he will not deliver unless he gets paid.

    Joyce Murotani
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You were close enough relatives for them to hit you up for free services rendered, but not an invitation to their wedding, personally, if it were me, I would burn every single thing I had made for them, and just simply consider it a hard lesson learned. You are NTA

    Joyce Murotani
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You and your wife were close enough family members that the bride took advantage of the two of you, personally I would burn everything I made for them, and consider it a hard lesson learned.

    Rumina Io
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm planning a wedding at the moment and keeping it small, because that's what we can afford! Having a small wedding should mean you dont have to beg from and exploit friends and family.

    pug nose curly tail
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder how this turned out. Does anyone know? And totally NTA

    madbakes
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are no updates on Reddit. It was posted a month ago.

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    DN X
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How can people think can get away harassing others after fking them over? I am white and it seems like 90% of these losers are my race with this white privilege attitude that make me puke.

    El MasChingon
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate when they add getting threatening calls from people they don't know to all these post, like dude if you don't know them why you even try and explain yourself just tell them to f**k off and hang up, and you are both the a******s them for thinking this was free you for not being up front that this wasn't free

    Bruce Evans
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP Not the ahole! Initially, it WAS free in return for a wedding invite. The downsizing & everything after is where the problems started. The bride tried to stiff them on their friendship. Uncool.

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    kath morgan
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    3 years ago

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    “We do this all the time but never charge”; then why should she expect it? Do you normally set the condition of being invited? Don’t work for free! All it does is teach people you will work for free!

    Mary Rogers
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Everyone knows that if you ask for a favor like that then they should be invited. That's their wedding gift, and no one who isn't invited owes anyone a wedding gift. This is basic wedding etiquette.

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    Donkeywheel
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    3 years ago

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    2k to cover only materials means the retail overall price would be far above 10k. You’re not paying ink and paper you’re paying labor and machines. So 10k Just for printing. That’s enormous for a classic wedding. Even more for a simple one in a family where money is obviously scarce. I find it very very hard to believe. As usual the story is probably real in some extent but terribly terribly exaggerated

    Stump Rumpersonne
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    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you always insert information you made up to prove a point you also just made up?

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