Guy Berates Girlfriend For Playing Hero And Saving A Girl’s Life, Rubs Her The Wrong Way
What would you do if you saw a woman who was clearly in danger? Some people might turn a blind eye, while others would call the cops. And then there are those who are willing to risk their own safety, and even lives, to jump right in and help.
A 24-year-old did exactly that when she witnessed two men taking a seemingly very drunk girl into a dark parking garage. Without hesitation, the woman raced to the rescue, and saved someone from a potentially terrible situation. She was shocked by how her boyfriend reacted when she told him what had happened.
The woman has shared the entire ordeal online. And it raises questions about people’s attitudes when it comes to the safety of girls and women.
When she noticed a drunk girl at risk of being kidnapped by two guys, this woman immediately intervened
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But her boyfriend’s reaction to her bravery has her questioning their entire relationship
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The woman shared screenshots of the text exchange between herself and her boyfriend
She also explained how the text messages made her feel
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Some safety tips for women who are planning a night out on the town
As much as we’d love to believe the world is a safe place for women and girls, the reality is—it isn’t. And until things change drastically, we need to look after ourselves and others.
If you’re planning to paint the town red with your girlfriends, it’s best to opt for well-lit, reputable establishments with visible security measures, advises drink spike detector manufacturer CounterSpike.
A place with good reviews and lots of security can help reduce the risk of you ending up in a dangerous situation. And if something does happen, there should be people there who can protect you.
Other precautions to take are letting a friend or family member in on your plans. This includes where you’re going and what time you expect to return. You can go as far as sharing your location via your phone or an app as an extra layer of safety. I sometimes do this when taking an Uber by myself.
There’s strength in numbers, says CounterSpike. “Being in a group significantly decreases the chances of becoming a target for crime,” notes the site, adding that you should always ensure no one is left alone in potentially vulnerable situations.
Of course, using reliable transportation options like licensed taxis is crucial. “Never accept a lift from a stranger, no matter how convenient it may seem,” warn the experts. If walking, choose a well-lit and familiar route.
Self-defense courses are also a good investment, as are personal safety tools like pepper spray, personal alarms, or even whistles.
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If you’re planning to go drinking, read this first
A girls’ night out often involves alcohol, and here’s where things can get dangerous… “Alcohol affects your judgment and awareness, making you more vulnerable to risky situations,” CounterSpike’s experts warn. And that’s why it pays to pace yourself.
“Keep track of drink sizes and their alcohol content to maintain moderation,” advises the site. “Alternating alcoholic beverages with drink water helps stay hydrated and reduce intoxication.”
And then there’s the issue of your drink being spiked. The risk of this happening is very real, say the experts. “Always monitor your drinks and those of your friends,” they suggest. “Never leave your drink unattended. If you need to step away, ask a trusted friend to watch it.”
Remember, your drink can be spiked behind the bar, too. So keep a close eye on it while it’s being poured. And it goes without saying that accepting drinks from strangers increases the risk of drink tampering.
So, what do you do if you suspect your drink has been tampered with or spiked? “Do not consume it and seek assistance immediately. This could be the difference between a safe night and a dangerous situation,” warns CounterSpike.
Some signs you’ve consumed a spiked drink include unusual sensations or dizziness. Inform a friend, or the establishment’s management/security and seek help if you feel something is wrong.
Importantly, always trust your instincts; if something doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t. “Your intuition is a valuable tool for assessing safety, so always take it seriously,” warn the experts. “Being mindful of your environment allows you to enjoy your night with greater peace of mind.”
“Girls gotta protect each other ’cause guys like him won’t”: people rallied behind the woman
But some netizens took the boyfriend’s side
The woman thanked people and revealed what she planned to do
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We spend our whole lives fully aware of the fact that men are bigger than us and stronger than us - they could easily overpower and/or harm us. We deal with that knowledge all day, every day. We also know that if we are attacked, it’s more likely to be by a male friend, partner, co-worker or acquaintance than by some random male stranger. We’re pretty much experts at extracting our friends and ourselves from potentially dangerous situations with men because if you’re female, existing in public is enough to attract unwanted attention. Turn a man down and you never know how he’ll react. It’s so patronising to suggest that the poster didn’t realise the situation was dangerous - that’s why she stepped in.
He was concerned about her losing a fight. She was not trying to win. Like you said, OP was just trying to extract her from a dangerous sitiation.
Load More Replies...Well, she was the hero that woman needed and the entire “it could have gone south”…the guys were looking for a drugged, helpless victim and they got a woman unafraid of confrontation. The odds they would bail on a sober, coherent woman were actually not that bad. They were planning something with an entirely different victim profile. Hopefully they have both since been swallowed by a void in the universe. But holy red flag convention on his responses including repeatedly berating her like he’s in charge of her choices, and just almost every statement he made is concerning including his initial implication that he assumes someone in that situation is to blame. I don’t know, he’s not someone to try and keep around, the worst part was he needed her to see to his emotional needs (miss you,feel punished, not getting what I want made me tone switch) rather than her own after that ordeal . That guy might be just plain old problematic.
That was my thing. Him ignoring her needs and basically making her call so he’d leave her alone and she COULD rest after that. The fact that he’s the same age as me and is dating someone that’s 24 and she is more mature sounding than he is is also not great
Load More Replies...All of the YTA men are the exact reason why women have to act in cases like this. Because for all of their Jack Reacher bluster, none of them would have the decency, let alone the balls, to save a woman in danger. She was supposed to call her boyfriend, who was in another country - to do WHAT, exactly? The men who prey on women are half the problem. The men like the boyfriend here - total wusses - are the other half.
Agreed. Their replies really angered me. Reminds me of something I read that when it comes to the bear question, there are two types of (male) responses: Guys who get it, and guys who are the reason women choose the bear. I think we can all see which category that lot fall into.
Load More Replies...The boyfriend is a coward. Had this happened to my gf I would be scared shitless and proud simultaneously, if that makes any sense. But the way he reacts and the language he uses means he doesn't respect courage nor valor. Another child posing as a man
Time to break up with bf. He's more dangerous than those two guys. Why? He repeatedly ignored her no. She wanted to drop it. He continued. She wanted to FaceTime tomorrow. He pushed until she agreed to today. You know he's going to keep pushing until he gets the admission of her being "wrong" and him being right. You can see how he continually wears her down until she does what he wants. This is the type of guy you have to watch out for. The other two are obviously bad people. BF is much sneakier.
Very good point. On the bright side, she seems sharp enough not to fall for his BS. And in case that was even possible, all the comments on reddit definitely made things very clear.
Load More Replies...I didn't read the YTA's. Save myself the aggravation. She did the right thing and her BF sounds like a controlling, condescending, self-absorbed wúss. Bleagh.
That dude is a massive tw@t. She should dump his @ss. Men just don't get it do they? (not all of them of course!) Personally I couldn't stay with someone who wouldn't have acted during that situation. I could never be like "oh well I called the cops, too bad if she dies".
Trigger warning: femicide!! This girl is a hero! She saved a fellow girl from who knows what. I would like to say that i would always step in when a woman is in danger. I did not step in one time, because I was 7 months pregnant. I heard my neighbor scream, and i knew her ex was an a*****e who used to physically abuse her. I've been there for her and her son multiple times. I never heard her scream before, because of our very solid, medieval walls between the buildings, so I knew something was really, really wrong this time. Like i said, i would like to say i would always step in, but this time, i was 7 months pregnant and i could not put my baby in danger. I called the police, who took 20 minutes to show up. Of course, my neihgbor, just 30 years old, was long gone by that time. Let me spare you the details. Police told me she was dead when the first blow hit her, and that there was nothing i could do, it just went so fast this time. It really took time to get over the survivers guilt
He did this because she was doing well by the way. She took her meds and tried to get on stable grounds after a wobbly period. He was losing his power over her, so he decided to take her life. Her little kid was already living with family due to the unstable circumstances, he saw nothing this time. Not all men are not to be trusted, but they have shown me enough to always be aware. Like I said, I've helpt her before, and my husband talked to the guy in one of these situations. And he said the guy was an alright, fine young fellow!! She could have made it all up! I was floored when he said that. After the murder, he acknowledged how wrong he was, and that he clearly lacks gut instinct when it comes to guys and violence toward women. This girl did what I hope we all would do. We should have each others back, because we have noone else to count on. And OPs boyfriend is a p***k IMO.
Load More Replies...This boyfriend needs to be dumped. OP acted out of instinct but also made measured decisions. Women risk assess all the time because we live in a world with men.
What annoys me most is the part where, after he wrote "Walk away and call the cops", he added "Or f***ing call me at least". Why? He's away and unable to assist in any way. This is where he betrays his claims of trying to approach this rationally. It's not about concern - it's about control.
OP didn't 'play hero'. She WAS a hero. She's also learning that her boyfriend doesn't admire that. Her bravery and audaciousness scares him. Also, she's learning that whether it is him trying make demands of her or him advising how he would behave, he is basically a 'Cautious Bystander' type of person. That doesn't make him a bad guy, but, character-wise, it does mean that he and OP have some pretty incompatible values. At the core of a successful relationship, you have to be able to admire your partner. She's realizing that she can't really admire him and he certainly doesn't admire her.
Yes there was risk but who could not do something when best case scenario for the young woman was SA? OP was sober, and had a phone and a vehicle. The odds were the guys were predators of opportunity and just looking for easy prey. And while anything can happen, how could you love wit yourself if you let wild possibilities keep you from preventing a certainty?
OK, let's put aside the should she/shouldn't she intervened, and look at just the conversation with the boyfriend... Am I the only one seeing that this POS doesn't take "no" for an answer and genuinely doesn't care what she thinks or feels as long as she does what he tells her to??? Also, he apologizes here and there when spooked, then goes back to doing exactly the same thing over and over again! I feel like he acts as if his *property* was in danger, not a human being. Certainly not a partner. He's giving orders and keeps speaking over her, constantly gaslighting her into this weird scenario where he's absolutely right about everything and the only reason she talks back is because SHE doesn't understand anything. Like a child that snaps back at a parent and now he has to "set her straight" for her own good... Zero agency given to her. Long story short: I think the momentary instinct to end things with him was right. And not because he wouldn't come to rescue the drunk girl 🙄
I understand where the BF is coming from (to a point). It's fight or flight, and he's going flight. Plus he's worried about his gf, who is at the time was in a different country from him. However, his doubling, tripling, quadrupling etc. down is just ridiculous, harmful and dismissive. As for the situation I understand the idea of considering calling the police and letting them take care of it, but only in the sense where you might think of it when weighing up what to do, and dismiss it in a f*****g instant because it would. not. help. What he thinks is the best approach is basically performative, so he can say he "did the right thing". Lastly, to the BF, you do not f*****g control your girlfriend; you simply cannot order her around like that, ever. OP is an absolute f*****g hero, and her boyfriend is at worst scummy trash, at best incredibly misguided.
From OP: "Unfortunately convo did not go as I’d hoped and idk if another one will even be productive. I think bottom line he doesn’t trust or believe that I truly understand the risk. He thinks that he better understands this type of danger because he’s a man and “knows the lengths they could go to.” He apologized for his tone even though he feels I should be more understanding because of how freaked out he was at the time. He also apologized for the way he blamed her, but then he still made a comment about personal responsibility later so idk." (cont.)
"I can tell he thinks this situation and what happened to my friend are radically different and that I’m biased because I think this girl was drugged too. For me whether she was drugged or not isn’t the point. He kept telling me that I was punishing him for being worried and that I needed to accept that he will always prioritize my safety over a strangers, which honestly is not unlike some comments I’ve seen here. A lot more was said but I think I’m still just processing everything and kinda slowly accepting the implications of what this may mean for my relationship. I think I’m just going to take some time to let everything settle and figure out what I want and need to do"
Load More Replies...Listen, I jump in and help too. When I was younger, older women jumped in to help me. I’m 64 now, which tells you that women have been looking out for other women for a long long time. After putting up with this kind of s**t for so long when we’re young, there comes a time when we just get royally pissed off at it, and can’t help taking our anger out at the perpetrators. Ever seen an old woman use her big heavy purse to beat the s**t out of a mugger or someone harassing someone else? She’s ANGRY that that kind of horseshit is still going on, because she had it happen to her too when she was young. Plus, if I knew I was the only thing between someone getting kidnapped, r***d, beaten, m******d, or otherwise hurt, and I did nothing, then saw her face in the news the next day saying her body had been found, the guilt for being such a coward and not doing anything would absolutely k**l me. I would not be able to live with myself. Whenever I see anyone or anything (I’m the same with animals) in danger, it’s like I become spring-loaded and the spring propels me forward and injects me with anger adrenaline. I can’t help it. My husband doesn’t really like it, not because he blames the victim or anything, but because he’s scared I’m going to get myself hurt. The difference is that he accepts it as an unchanging part of my personality, and if he’s with me at the time, would be jumping in right behind me, because he knows it’s the right thing to do.
The boyfriend fails at any logic that isn't self-interested. This woman was heroic. I wouldn't have a fraction of the courage she did, nor the presence of mind to act in the moment.
This would definitely have me rethinking a relationship, and not because he had a difference of opinion. Believe me, that is going to happen in the best of relationships in the most surprising of places. It’s how that difference of opinion is expressed and debated. I did NOT like “do you think I could have lived with myself . . . “ What? This is nothing to do with you. As a loving partner you support your other half’s right to do what they think best without making it about how it would ‘make’ you feel. And “you’re not listening to me” - oh no, no, no, no. The idea that how you **feel** is how the world actually is, and if only people would take in what you’re saying they would understand is very immature. Not for me, thank you. He has every right to feel shaken that a person he loves, as far as he can understand, put herself in danger, and he has a right to express that, but this is a discussion between two equals who should value each other’s point of view.
And what do you want to bet, if he had been the one to help the woman, he would be expecting OP to throw him a f*****g hero’s parade. You know, just like he expects when he does one load of laundry, or runs the vacuum in one room, or dusts off the TV.
Load More Replies...I would have been really freaked out by the danger she put herself in, but not accusatory - she's a fúcking hero and deserves many hugs. Want to be angry at somebody? Be angry with the boyfriend because it's attitudes like his that let terrible things happen to random women - "not my problem babe", and that's why women stand up for each other, because they have to.
I'm glad I read this and I will be calling the police from now on before stepping in. In my experience, it is often less dangerous for a woman to intervene than it is for a man. Sеxism works both ways and these kinds of idiots will often recoil from fighting a woman. I have stepped into street brawls and not get hurt; I positioned myself between to men with knives and they walked away. I may be extremely lucky but someone's got to do it.
I'm a bartender. In the summer of 2007/2008 I was working in a bar/ restaurant in a tourist destination. One evening we had a young English lass drinking with 4 German lads. She seemed chilled and relaxed with these lads, but something was pinging our spidey senses. All 3 of us women staff kept asking ourselves if we should pull the lass aside to check in, but kept saying she seems fine. She isn't drunk. Long excuses short we didn't. They left our venue at 10pm. I got woken up at 7am the next morning by my boss. The lass had been hit by a truck at 4am after my boss. The lass had been hit by a truck and killed at 4am after "falling asleep" in the middle of the road. The four lads, at the airport and gone before the police could do anything. The only ones who knows what went down in between them leaving us and her being killed is only known by those four lads. I have to live with my inaction for the rest of my life. Could it have saved her? Maybe, maybe not. But I have to live with that
I didn't read the full discussion because eventually I need to leave the toilet, but while both started with valid points, the guy slipped into some condescending rhetoric while trying to make his point. That being said, this shows how men and women see confrontation - men see it as a social instrument to intimidate/dominate other men, while women see it as life or death, the same way they would react to a tiger and (yes, I know) a bear. The dude was thinking on how he wouldn't be able to make two others back off, the lady was thinking on how the other one would be húrt/kílled hadn't she intervened. She knew full well that the confrontation could've ended with her kílled, and her bf, still calculating the social aspects of dominance, would've simple backed off when realizing he was outmatched.
If i ever see 1 woman up against 2 men you better believe im making it 2v2. Especially when shes obviously a victim already. Im small in stature but i prepare daily for the fight of my life with training and lifting. Im coming at you like a rabid chihuahua. We're not even gonna talk...youre just gonna run bc im wiry already but that adrenaline gets flowing.
Sometime ago, I read about a nail polish (I’m not sure if it was just an idea, or actually made and don’t remember a ton of the details) that a woman could paint her fingernails with. If you stir your drink with your finger or just get your nail wet with your drink and your nail changed colors, then you knew your drink was spiked.
Ok, so I went searching for what I read and atleast at the time of this article, it was just a concept BUT a great concept https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controversial-science-d***s-news/nail-polish-detect-d***s
Load More Replies...Let's face it: bf knows precisely how dangerous men can be, and yet he victim-blamed her friend (straw man argument), and condescended to her. And we're supposed to believe not all men? Nah, don't buy it in the least. Men know, and yet, the relentless PR campaign goes on and on. And women are onto it, as we always have been, except now there's the internet, and we are BROADCASTING it worldwide. Men need to change so much about themselves. There is just so much work to do.
Dámn. And of course I’m forming this plan with the luxury of time, but I’d probably call the cops, tell them what’s happening and where, tell them to stay on the line, get out of the car and say something like, “Jessica, what are you doing?? I’ve been looking for you for almost an hour!”. Then I’d say their license plate. That’s where I might get into trouble though. Man, this is tough. Alternatively, block their car with my car. Always have a knife. I’m thrown on this one, clearly.
While I understand the (ex?) bf's reasoning, and he's allowed to voice his concerns...there was no reason for him to beat a dead horse. In the end, he was dead wrong, and just the thought that he would leave a female in that predicament makes my blood boil! OP did an amazing job at saving this female, and the only thing I think she should've done different is that she should've called the cops first, as she was initially watching the scene--that way they'd have been enroute sooner and have known what to possibly expect. They may also have been able to conduct a field interview with the guys and let them know they're on radar now. Who knows, this may not have been the first time they've done this. Maybe there are already open cases that could be solved if they'd gotten good info.
Drop him like a hot rock. He will fail you at the worst time. Just my two cents.
Okay so this guy reminded me A LOT of my ex bf. My ex was extremely immature, desperately clingy, and terrified of confrontation to the point that I once got groped, and he didn't say a word. This guy's texts come across the same way. The way he was trying to tell her what to do came across as controlling. It could have genuinely been out of fear for her/of the situation. But if it was, he went way overboard, and was acting like a baby. Then the love bombing, and the refusal to respect her request for space came across as immature, pouty, and horribly needy at best, and emotionally manipulative at worst. It just felt icky all the way around. Even if it came from a good place, he went about it in the worst way possible. Only OP knows which way he meant it. But I myself know one thing for absolute sure: she will NEVER forget that he told her to her face (for all intents and purposes) that he wouldn't protect her. He just told her straight up he wouldn't be there for her when it counts. She will NEVER forget that, as long as she lives. And she'll never truly feel the same about him. Because she knows now that she can never count on him. And she'll never feel truly safe with him again. She'll have to always look out for herself. It's exhausting, dealing with someone like that. Always having to be the adult. It's one of the biggest reasons I left my ex. I personally believe she should break it off. Because any man who would profess to love his partner, but then refuse to put her life before his, is not a real man. He's either a cowardly man-child, or he doesn't truly love his partner. And that's not someone deserving of anyone's devotion. And that's true of any relationship. I would die for my husband. Just as he would me. Maybe not in the beginning of a relationship. And IDK how long OP and her bf have been dating. But if he truly loved her like he says he does, he'd step in front of danger for her in a heartbeat. It shouldn't even have to be thought about.
Wow... the chauvinism is strong with this one. I would not tolerate that from a boyfriend.
I get where he's coming from, but ... whatever his opinion is, in this situation, after the encounter was just over, that simply isn't to be debated. That is for later. And later, I think I'd disagree with him practically identical to her, but as I'm a guy, I might be in a different situation, still. But, whatever one has to say about how to react to such, that is for later. Making sure everyone is ok, and acknowledge being lucky for them giving in so easily would suffice for the moment.
His initial anger at her well being is justified, as long as he later apologized and they talked through it. What OP should, and has, have issues with was victim blaming. It doesn't if that girl was completely wasted and whatnot, being assaulted would never have been her fault.
That boyfriend is trash. She could be dangling over a cliff and he'd whine about her not facetiming him and ruining his day.
Another thing: if he wanted children with her, he wouldn't hesitate. But why, pregnancy and childbirth are dangerous for women, too, and we have enough humans on this planet. But if this kind of men want "their bloodline" going on, then the danger to us women is suddenly no issue.
Yes, it was dangerous. That's exactly what MAKES her a hero. You don't get to call yourself a hero for fighting off a toddler. And if we all run away, then what? BTW, when I was young, we women got told: if someone tries to r**e you, let him, that's better than being killed. Only to hear at court "well, you didn't put up a fight, so clearly you wanted it". We can't do it right for some men. Also, his tone was way out of line. He's not her line manager. Great guy, you always think of your hide first, that's your right. But don't bash on those who show courage, because standing up for one another is OUR right!
To put it simple: every perpetrator wants an easy prey. That is true for burglars as well as intrusive male attention, to put it in a censorship-friendly way. More often than not, the simple act of an outsider getting engaged with the situation is enough deterrent. If the old lady engages in some small talk with the would-be burglar, the burglar will know that he will be remembered and be mentioned to the police. OP bravely intervened in a potentially dangerous situation to save a fellow woman. If more people would say what BF says (don't engage, look at the opposite direction, maybe contact the police) then more potential perpetrator can realize their crimes.
we are told from childhood that men are dangerous. you know those stranger danger talks? its almost always a man, there's a reason for that. OP did an amazing thing protecting that lady from those men. and i love how men try to frame themselves as protectors. 1) who are you protecting us from? and 2) the boyfriend full on admitted he wouldnt protect anyone. his girlfriend stepped up because men like him wont. if he doesnt like women protecting women, maybe he should do it.
I think what I would do is call 911, and put it on speaker, volume all the way up, then get out of the car so they could hear the dispatcher say "911, what's your emergency?" and I would describe what I was seeing: two men carrying an incapacitated woman, by herself, in an isolated garage. And that the woman was trying to pull away but obviously couldn't. I think that would make them less likely to attack me, because they'd know the dispatcher would hear it, and I wouldn't have to lie and pretend I knew the person, and possibly get caught in the lie.
Op thank you so much for having that girls back , yes it’s dangerous but only an inhuman would walk past n not help !! you did exactly the right thing !, Your bf however is a cruel person , blaming the girl for being so drunk , erm who says she was drunk ?? Those two men could have spiked her drink ffs it’s a huge thing here in uk these days n vile , if no one stepped in that girl would have likely been on the news the next morning having been found defiantly r***d n likely k I l l e d. To , your quick thinking saved her life !! all the ytas are clearly the kind of inhumans that would just walk past , me I’d ligit do what you did ! And in my decades on this earth I have stepped in many times , most when I was working in hospitality , n I’ve broken car rage up outside my house out here in our village , didn’t think just went out told em both to get back in the car , n the one causing it to F off out our village n don’t come back n they both listened n went off. Blessed be x
OP is an absolute hero who should be praised! But that's difficult if you're the boyfriend or another loved one of hers. Because it's the same as running into a burning building to save a stranger, you're an absolute hero AND you're putting your loved ones' happiness at risk: your kids have to grow up without their parent, your spouse becomes a widow(er), your friends have to mourn their friend. So it's understandable if your loved ones are angry and want you to not put yourself at risk for a stranger. Especially since she sounds like she doesn't understand the danger ("I was being careful" No you were not, you put your life at risk. With good reason! But you do need to acknowledge how dangerous it was) And it's also understandable for OP to be incredibly angry and hurt by his response. Neither of them is the AH, they're both just humans with reasonable emotions. Except for OP blaming the other woman, victim blaming is not okay at all.
Op didn’t blame the other woman? I think you mean ops bf?
Load More Replies...When I was a kid probably around age 10, I remember sitting outside in the car at a McDonald’s not far from my grandparents house, eating with my Dad. A man came up to my dad’s driver side window and put a knife to my dad’s neck and demanded his wallet. My dad winked at me and in the flash of an eye grabbed the man’s wrist, twisted his arm and broke it by pushing it up hard and fast against the roof of our car. (My dad trained most of his life in martial arts). The would be robber dropped the knife and ran away screaming before my dad could go into the restaurant and call for help (pre cell phone days). It happened so fast I never even saw the man’s face only his dingy, blue t-shirt. My dad passed away in 2018 and when I was cleaning I found the knife and remembered all that had transpired. My dad was always my hero and now I have the knife to go along with the story! The knife was a lot bigger and scarier than I remembered too! I have some training also but I don’t know if I would have the courage or fortitude to do what my Dad did in that split second.
So if she was a dude, it would be perfectly okay for her to play the hero, but since she’s a helpless little girl, she should only be concerned with her family? What the actual misogynistic f@ck?
Load More Replies...We spend our whole lives fully aware of the fact that men are bigger than us and stronger than us - they could easily overpower and/or harm us. We deal with that knowledge all day, every day. We also know that if we are attacked, it’s more likely to be by a male friend, partner, co-worker or acquaintance than by some random male stranger. We’re pretty much experts at extracting our friends and ourselves from potentially dangerous situations with men because if you’re female, existing in public is enough to attract unwanted attention. Turn a man down and you never know how he’ll react. It’s so patronising to suggest that the poster didn’t realise the situation was dangerous - that’s why she stepped in.
He was concerned about her losing a fight. She was not trying to win. Like you said, OP was just trying to extract her from a dangerous sitiation.
Load More Replies...Well, she was the hero that woman needed and the entire “it could have gone south”…the guys were looking for a drugged, helpless victim and they got a woman unafraid of confrontation. The odds they would bail on a sober, coherent woman were actually not that bad. They were planning something with an entirely different victim profile. Hopefully they have both since been swallowed by a void in the universe. But holy red flag convention on his responses including repeatedly berating her like he’s in charge of her choices, and just almost every statement he made is concerning including his initial implication that he assumes someone in that situation is to blame. I don’t know, he’s not someone to try and keep around, the worst part was he needed her to see to his emotional needs (miss you,feel punished, not getting what I want made me tone switch) rather than her own after that ordeal . That guy might be just plain old problematic.
That was my thing. Him ignoring her needs and basically making her call so he’d leave her alone and she COULD rest after that. The fact that he’s the same age as me and is dating someone that’s 24 and she is more mature sounding than he is is also not great
Load More Replies...All of the YTA men are the exact reason why women have to act in cases like this. Because for all of their Jack Reacher bluster, none of them would have the decency, let alone the balls, to save a woman in danger. She was supposed to call her boyfriend, who was in another country - to do WHAT, exactly? The men who prey on women are half the problem. The men like the boyfriend here - total wusses - are the other half.
Agreed. Their replies really angered me. Reminds me of something I read that when it comes to the bear question, there are two types of (male) responses: Guys who get it, and guys who are the reason women choose the bear. I think we can all see which category that lot fall into.
Load More Replies...The boyfriend is a coward. Had this happened to my gf I would be scared shitless and proud simultaneously, if that makes any sense. But the way he reacts and the language he uses means he doesn't respect courage nor valor. Another child posing as a man
Time to break up with bf. He's more dangerous than those two guys. Why? He repeatedly ignored her no. She wanted to drop it. He continued. She wanted to FaceTime tomorrow. He pushed until she agreed to today. You know he's going to keep pushing until he gets the admission of her being "wrong" and him being right. You can see how he continually wears her down until she does what he wants. This is the type of guy you have to watch out for. The other two are obviously bad people. BF is much sneakier.
Very good point. On the bright side, she seems sharp enough not to fall for his BS. And in case that was even possible, all the comments on reddit definitely made things very clear.
Load More Replies...I didn't read the YTA's. Save myself the aggravation. She did the right thing and her BF sounds like a controlling, condescending, self-absorbed wúss. Bleagh.
That dude is a massive tw@t. She should dump his @ss. Men just don't get it do they? (not all of them of course!) Personally I couldn't stay with someone who wouldn't have acted during that situation. I could never be like "oh well I called the cops, too bad if she dies".
Trigger warning: femicide!! This girl is a hero! She saved a fellow girl from who knows what. I would like to say that i would always step in when a woman is in danger. I did not step in one time, because I was 7 months pregnant. I heard my neighbor scream, and i knew her ex was an a*****e who used to physically abuse her. I've been there for her and her son multiple times. I never heard her scream before, because of our very solid, medieval walls between the buildings, so I knew something was really, really wrong this time. Like i said, i would like to say i would always step in, but this time, i was 7 months pregnant and i could not put my baby in danger. I called the police, who took 20 minutes to show up. Of course, my neihgbor, just 30 years old, was long gone by that time. Let me spare you the details. Police told me she was dead when the first blow hit her, and that there was nothing i could do, it just went so fast this time. It really took time to get over the survivers guilt
He did this because she was doing well by the way. She took her meds and tried to get on stable grounds after a wobbly period. He was losing his power over her, so he decided to take her life. Her little kid was already living with family due to the unstable circumstances, he saw nothing this time. Not all men are not to be trusted, but they have shown me enough to always be aware. Like I said, I've helpt her before, and my husband talked to the guy in one of these situations. And he said the guy was an alright, fine young fellow!! She could have made it all up! I was floored when he said that. After the murder, he acknowledged how wrong he was, and that he clearly lacks gut instinct when it comes to guys and violence toward women. This girl did what I hope we all would do. We should have each others back, because we have noone else to count on. And OPs boyfriend is a p***k IMO.
Load More Replies...This boyfriend needs to be dumped. OP acted out of instinct but also made measured decisions. Women risk assess all the time because we live in a world with men.
What annoys me most is the part where, after he wrote "Walk away and call the cops", he added "Or f***ing call me at least". Why? He's away and unable to assist in any way. This is where he betrays his claims of trying to approach this rationally. It's not about concern - it's about control.
OP didn't 'play hero'. She WAS a hero. She's also learning that her boyfriend doesn't admire that. Her bravery and audaciousness scares him. Also, she's learning that whether it is him trying make demands of her or him advising how he would behave, he is basically a 'Cautious Bystander' type of person. That doesn't make him a bad guy, but, character-wise, it does mean that he and OP have some pretty incompatible values. At the core of a successful relationship, you have to be able to admire your partner. She's realizing that she can't really admire him and he certainly doesn't admire her.
Yes there was risk but who could not do something when best case scenario for the young woman was SA? OP was sober, and had a phone and a vehicle. The odds were the guys were predators of opportunity and just looking for easy prey. And while anything can happen, how could you love wit yourself if you let wild possibilities keep you from preventing a certainty?
OK, let's put aside the should she/shouldn't she intervened, and look at just the conversation with the boyfriend... Am I the only one seeing that this POS doesn't take "no" for an answer and genuinely doesn't care what she thinks or feels as long as she does what he tells her to??? Also, he apologizes here and there when spooked, then goes back to doing exactly the same thing over and over again! I feel like he acts as if his *property* was in danger, not a human being. Certainly not a partner. He's giving orders and keeps speaking over her, constantly gaslighting her into this weird scenario where he's absolutely right about everything and the only reason she talks back is because SHE doesn't understand anything. Like a child that snaps back at a parent and now he has to "set her straight" for her own good... Zero agency given to her. Long story short: I think the momentary instinct to end things with him was right. And not because he wouldn't come to rescue the drunk girl 🙄
I understand where the BF is coming from (to a point). It's fight or flight, and he's going flight. Plus he's worried about his gf, who is at the time was in a different country from him. However, his doubling, tripling, quadrupling etc. down is just ridiculous, harmful and dismissive. As for the situation I understand the idea of considering calling the police and letting them take care of it, but only in the sense where you might think of it when weighing up what to do, and dismiss it in a f*****g instant because it would. not. help. What he thinks is the best approach is basically performative, so he can say he "did the right thing". Lastly, to the BF, you do not f*****g control your girlfriend; you simply cannot order her around like that, ever. OP is an absolute f*****g hero, and her boyfriend is at worst scummy trash, at best incredibly misguided.
From OP: "Unfortunately convo did not go as I’d hoped and idk if another one will even be productive. I think bottom line he doesn’t trust or believe that I truly understand the risk. He thinks that he better understands this type of danger because he’s a man and “knows the lengths they could go to.” He apologized for his tone even though he feels I should be more understanding because of how freaked out he was at the time. He also apologized for the way he blamed her, but then he still made a comment about personal responsibility later so idk." (cont.)
"I can tell he thinks this situation and what happened to my friend are radically different and that I’m biased because I think this girl was drugged too. For me whether she was drugged or not isn’t the point. He kept telling me that I was punishing him for being worried and that I needed to accept that he will always prioritize my safety over a strangers, which honestly is not unlike some comments I’ve seen here. A lot more was said but I think I’m still just processing everything and kinda slowly accepting the implications of what this may mean for my relationship. I think I’m just going to take some time to let everything settle and figure out what I want and need to do"
Load More Replies...Listen, I jump in and help too. When I was younger, older women jumped in to help me. I’m 64 now, which tells you that women have been looking out for other women for a long long time. After putting up with this kind of s**t for so long when we’re young, there comes a time when we just get royally pissed off at it, and can’t help taking our anger out at the perpetrators. Ever seen an old woman use her big heavy purse to beat the s**t out of a mugger or someone harassing someone else? She’s ANGRY that that kind of horseshit is still going on, because she had it happen to her too when she was young. Plus, if I knew I was the only thing between someone getting kidnapped, r***d, beaten, m******d, or otherwise hurt, and I did nothing, then saw her face in the news the next day saying her body had been found, the guilt for being such a coward and not doing anything would absolutely k**l me. I would not be able to live with myself. Whenever I see anyone or anything (I’m the same with animals) in danger, it’s like I become spring-loaded and the spring propels me forward and injects me with anger adrenaline. I can’t help it. My husband doesn’t really like it, not because he blames the victim or anything, but because he’s scared I’m going to get myself hurt. The difference is that he accepts it as an unchanging part of my personality, and if he’s with me at the time, would be jumping in right behind me, because he knows it’s the right thing to do.
The boyfriend fails at any logic that isn't self-interested. This woman was heroic. I wouldn't have a fraction of the courage she did, nor the presence of mind to act in the moment.
This would definitely have me rethinking a relationship, and not because he had a difference of opinion. Believe me, that is going to happen in the best of relationships in the most surprising of places. It’s how that difference of opinion is expressed and debated. I did NOT like “do you think I could have lived with myself . . . “ What? This is nothing to do with you. As a loving partner you support your other half’s right to do what they think best without making it about how it would ‘make’ you feel. And “you’re not listening to me” - oh no, no, no, no. The idea that how you **feel** is how the world actually is, and if only people would take in what you’re saying they would understand is very immature. Not for me, thank you. He has every right to feel shaken that a person he loves, as far as he can understand, put herself in danger, and he has a right to express that, but this is a discussion between two equals who should value each other’s point of view.
And what do you want to bet, if he had been the one to help the woman, he would be expecting OP to throw him a f*****g hero’s parade. You know, just like he expects when he does one load of laundry, or runs the vacuum in one room, or dusts off the TV.
Load More Replies...I would have been really freaked out by the danger she put herself in, but not accusatory - she's a fúcking hero and deserves many hugs. Want to be angry at somebody? Be angry with the boyfriend because it's attitudes like his that let terrible things happen to random women - "not my problem babe", and that's why women stand up for each other, because they have to.
I'm glad I read this and I will be calling the police from now on before stepping in. In my experience, it is often less dangerous for a woman to intervene than it is for a man. Sеxism works both ways and these kinds of idiots will often recoil from fighting a woman. I have stepped into street brawls and not get hurt; I positioned myself between to men with knives and they walked away. I may be extremely lucky but someone's got to do it.
I'm a bartender. In the summer of 2007/2008 I was working in a bar/ restaurant in a tourist destination. One evening we had a young English lass drinking with 4 German lads. She seemed chilled and relaxed with these lads, but something was pinging our spidey senses. All 3 of us women staff kept asking ourselves if we should pull the lass aside to check in, but kept saying she seems fine. She isn't drunk. Long excuses short we didn't. They left our venue at 10pm. I got woken up at 7am the next morning by my boss. The lass had been hit by a truck at 4am after my boss. The lass had been hit by a truck and killed at 4am after "falling asleep" in the middle of the road. The four lads, at the airport and gone before the police could do anything. The only ones who knows what went down in between them leaving us and her being killed is only known by those four lads. I have to live with my inaction for the rest of my life. Could it have saved her? Maybe, maybe not. But I have to live with that
I didn't read the full discussion because eventually I need to leave the toilet, but while both started with valid points, the guy slipped into some condescending rhetoric while trying to make his point. That being said, this shows how men and women see confrontation - men see it as a social instrument to intimidate/dominate other men, while women see it as life or death, the same way they would react to a tiger and (yes, I know) a bear. The dude was thinking on how he wouldn't be able to make two others back off, the lady was thinking on how the other one would be húrt/kílled hadn't she intervened. She knew full well that the confrontation could've ended with her kílled, and her bf, still calculating the social aspects of dominance, would've simple backed off when realizing he was outmatched.
If i ever see 1 woman up against 2 men you better believe im making it 2v2. Especially when shes obviously a victim already. Im small in stature but i prepare daily for the fight of my life with training and lifting. Im coming at you like a rabid chihuahua. We're not even gonna talk...youre just gonna run bc im wiry already but that adrenaline gets flowing.
Sometime ago, I read about a nail polish (I’m not sure if it was just an idea, or actually made and don’t remember a ton of the details) that a woman could paint her fingernails with. If you stir your drink with your finger or just get your nail wet with your drink and your nail changed colors, then you knew your drink was spiked.
Ok, so I went searching for what I read and atleast at the time of this article, it was just a concept BUT a great concept https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controversial-science-d***s-news/nail-polish-detect-d***s
Load More Replies...Let's face it: bf knows precisely how dangerous men can be, and yet he victim-blamed her friend (straw man argument), and condescended to her. And we're supposed to believe not all men? Nah, don't buy it in the least. Men know, and yet, the relentless PR campaign goes on and on. And women are onto it, as we always have been, except now there's the internet, and we are BROADCASTING it worldwide. Men need to change so much about themselves. There is just so much work to do.
Dámn. And of course I’m forming this plan with the luxury of time, but I’d probably call the cops, tell them what’s happening and where, tell them to stay on the line, get out of the car and say something like, “Jessica, what are you doing?? I’ve been looking for you for almost an hour!”. Then I’d say their license plate. That’s where I might get into trouble though. Man, this is tough. Alternatively, block their car with my car. Always have a knife. I’m thrown on this one, clearly.
While I understand the (ex?) bf's reasoning, and he's allowed to voice his concerns...there was no reason for him to beat a dead horse. In the end, he was dead wrong, and just the thought that he would leave a female in that predicament makes my blood boil! OP did an amazing job at saving this female, and the only thing I think she should've done different is that she should've called the cops first, as she was initially watching the scene--that way they'd have been enroute sooner and have known what to possibly expect. They may also have been able to conduct a field interview with the guys and let them know they're on radar now. Who knows, this may not have been the first time they've done this. Maybe there are already open cases that could be solved if they'd gotten good info.
Drop him like a hot rock. He will fail you at the worst time. Just my two cents.
Okay so this guy reminded me A LOT of my ex bf. My ex was extremely immature, desperately clingy, and terrified of confrontation to the point that I once got groped, and he didn't say a word. This guy's texts come across the same way. The way he was trying to tell her what to do came across as controlling. It could have genuinely been out of fear for her/of the situation. But if it was, he went way overboard, and was acting like a baby. Then the love bombing, and the refusal to respect her request for space came across as immature, pouty, and horribly needy at best, and emotionally manipulative at worst. It just felt icky all the way around. Even if it came from a good place, he went about it in the worst way possible. Only OP knows which way he meant it. But I myself know one thing for absolute sure: she will NEVER forget that he told her to her face (for all intents and purposes) that he wouldn't protect her. He just told her straight up he wouldn't be there for her when it counts. She will NEVER forget that, as long as she lives. And she'll never truly feel the same about him. Because she knows now that she can never count on him. And she'll never feel truly safe with him again. She'll have to always look out for herself. It's exhausting, dealing with someone like that. Always having to be the adult. It's one of the biggest reasons I left my ex. I personally believe she should break it off. Because any man who would profess to love his partner, but then refuse to put her life before his, is not a real man. He's either a cowardly man-child, or he doesn't truly love his partner. And that's not someone deserving of anyone's devotion. And that's true of any relationship. I would die for my husband. Just as he would me. Maybe not in the beginning of a relationship. And IDK how long OP and her bf have been dating. But if he truly loved her like he says he does, he'd step in front of danger for her in a heartbeat. It shouldn't even have to be thought about.
Wow... the chauvinism is strong with this one. I would not tolerate that from a boyfriend.
I get where he's coming from, but ... whatever his opinion is, in this situation, after the encounter was just over, that simply isn't to be debated. That is for later. And later, I think I'd disagree with him practically identical to her, but as I'm a guy, I might be in a different situation, still. But, whatever one has to say about how to react to such, that is for later. Making sure everyone is ok, and acknowledge being lucky for them giving in so easily would suffice for the moment.
His initial anger at her well being is justified, as long as he later apologized and they talked through it. What OP should, and has, have issues with was victim blaming. It doesn't if that girl was completely wasted and whatnot, being assaulted would never have been her fault.
That boyfriend is trash. She could be dangling over a cliff and he'd whine about her not facetiming him and ruining his day.
Another thing: if he wanted children with her, he wouldn't hesitate. But why, pregnancy and childbirth are dangerous for women, too, and we have enough humans on this planet. But if this kind of men want "their bloodline" going on, then the danger to us women is suddenly no issue.
Yes, it was dangerous. That's exactly what MAKES her a hero. You don't get to call yourself a hero for fighting off a toddler. And if we all run away, then what? BTW, when I was young, we women got told: if someone tries to r**e you, let him, that's better than being killed. Only to hear at court "well, you didn't put up a fight, so clearly you wanted it". We can't do it right for some men. Also, his tone was way out of line. He's not her line manager. Great guy, you always think of your hide first, that's your right. But don't bash on those who show courage, because standing up for one another is OUR right!
To put it simple: every perpetrator wants an easy prey. That is true for burglars as well as intrusive male attention, to put it in a censorship-friendly way. More often than not, the simple act of an outsider getting engaged with the situation is enough deterrent. If the old lady engages in some small talk with the would-be burglar, the burglar will know that he will be remembered and be mentioned to the police. OP bravely intervened in a potentially dangerous situation to save a fellow woman. If more people would say what BF says (don't engage, look at the opposite direction, maybe contact the police) then more potential perpetrator can realize their crimes.
we are told from childhood that men are dangerous. you know those stranger danger talks? its almost always a man, there's a reason for that. OP did an amazing thing protecting that lady from those men. and i love how men try to frame themselves as protectors. 1) who are you protecting us from? and 2) the boyfriend full on admitted he wouldnt protect anyone. his girlfriend stepped up because men like him wont. if he doesnt like women protecting women, maybe he should do it.
I think what I would do is call 911, and put it on speaker, volume all the way up, then get out of the car so they could hear the dispatcher say "911, what's your emergency?" and I would describe what I was seeing: two men carrying an incapacitated woman, by herself, in an isolated garage. And that the woman was trying to pull away but obviously couldn't. I think that would make them less likely to attack me, because they'd know the dispatcher would hear it, and I wouldn't have to lie and pretend I knew the person, and possibly get caught in the lie.
Op thank you so much for having that girls back , yes it’s dangerous but only an inhuman would walk past n not help !! you did exactly the right thing !, Your bf however is a cruel person , blaming the girl for being so drunk , erm who says she was drunk ?? Those two men could have spiked her drink ffs it’s a huge thing here in uk these days n vile , if no one stepped in that girl would have likely been on the news the next morning having been found defiantly r***d n likely k I l l e d. To , your quick thinking saved her life !! all the ytas are clearly the kind of inhumans that would just walk past , me I’d ligit do what you did ! And in my decades on this earth I have stepped in many times , most when I was working in hospitality , n I’ve broken car rage up outside my house out here in our village , didn’t think just went out told em both to get back in the car , n the one causing it to F off out our village n don’t come back n they both listened n went off. Blessed be x
OP is an absolute hero who should be praised! But that's difficult if you're the boyfriend or another loved one of hers. Because it's the same as running into a burning building to save a stranger, you're an absolute hero AND you're putting your loved ones' happiness at risk: your kids have to grow up without their parent, your spouse becomes a widow(er), your friends have to mourn their friend. So it's understandable if your loved ones are angry and want you to not put yourself at risk for a stranger. Especially since she sounds like she doesn't understand the danger ("I was being careful" No you were not, you put your life at risk. With good reason! But you do need to acknowledge how dangerous it was) And it's also understandable for OP to be incredibly angry and hurt by his response. Neither of them is the AH, they're both just humans with reasonable emotions. Except for OP blaming the other woman, victim blaming is not okay at all.
Op didn’t blame the other woman? I think you mean ops bf?
Load More Replies...When I was a kid probably around age 10, I remember sitting outside in the car at a McDonald’s not far from my grandparents house, eating with my Dad. A man came up to my dad’s driver side window and put a knife to my dad’s neck and demanded his wallet. My dad winked at me and in the flash of an eye grabbed the man’s wrist, twisted his arm and broke it by pushing it up hard and fast against the roof of our car. (My dad trained most of his life in martial arts). The would be robber dropped the knife and ran away screaming before my dad could go into the restaurant and call for help (pre cell phone days). It happened so fast I never even saw the man’s face only his dingy, blue t-shirt. My dad passed away in 2018 and when I was cleaning I found the knife and remembered all that had transpired. My dad was always my hero and now I have the knife to go along with the story! The knife was a lot bigger and scarier than I remembered too! I have some training also but I don’t know if I would have the courage or fortitude to do what my Dad did in that split second.
So if she was a dude, it would be perfectly okay for her to play the hero, but since she’s a helpless little girl, she should only be concerned with her family? What the actual misogynistic f@ck?
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