50 Times Gender Stereotyping Didn’t Make Sense, As Shared By People On The Internet
Interview With ExpertThe other day my son blurted out “blue is for boys and pink is for girls.” I was quite surprised, since his favorite color was pink just two years ago. He also recently told me that “boys are strong and girls are kind”. Kinda weird. I rate him as a pretty kind kid. It got me thinking… How is it that technology is moving at triple the speed but some children are still being fed toxic trash? Then we went to the drive through and I thought to myself “even happy meals need to grow up already.” Boy toy, anyone?
Redditor u/APT3993 racked up over 14,000 comments when they asked “What’s something sociably acceptable for one gender but not the other?” Scroll on for some deeply rooted double standards and don’t miss the chats Bored Panda had with two psychologists about where some of this stereotyping could have started. We also spoke to the person behind the original thread.
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Males peeing sitting down. And I wanna destroy that whole thing.
I had major foot surgery and couldn't put any weight on foot for weeks....started peeing sitting down. Haven't looked back. It's so much more comfortable and cleaner.
Far more sanitary than standing. Peeing into water from a standing position sends droplets EVERYWHERE. When you sit, your own butt blocks almost all of that spray. And when you’re done, CLOSE THE LID BEFORE YOU FLUSH!
YES! My little brother sprays everywhere it’s disgusting, and he refuses to clean it up. Personally I think every time he doesn’t wipe it up and someone else finds it, he should have to deep clean the bathroom and sit down for a month.
Load More Replies...I hope he is the one in charge of cleaning the bathroom.
Load More Replies...My husband has sat down to pee since I've known him (26 years now)
This is a serious question. If a woman is visiting male friends, and no women/trans/whatever live in the house, if the woman needs to use the bathroom, what should she do with the seat when she's done?
I‘ve posted about this before. Sit when I want to keep the place clean (at home, my friends and families homes), but I’ll stand when I’m concerned about keeping myself clean (outside, dirty bathrooms, etc.) I’ve taught my son this and it’s really nice not having p**s all over the floor and toilet.
It's much less sanitary and makes more of a mess standing up.
Load More Replies...The way the floor is sticky sometime after someone peed there and you sit down to take a dump and your toes or socks get stuck 🤢
It also helps circulation! Before transitioning into a woman fully, I still peed sitting.
A big part of the world always pees sitting down. Women AND men. I only ever hear of one country that does not do it, because they are the loudest, although I am sure there are others.
What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Right? Apparently not always. It turns out the same rules don’t always apply to men and women, or boys and girls, when it comes to behaving “normally” in public. What’s considered fair play for one is sometimes frowned upon for the other, as u/APT3993 found out when they asked for some examples of common sexist behavior.
Bored Panda reached out to the original poster to find out what inspired the question. He told us he wanted to see if people would only go with sexism directed towards women or whether they'd share their own examples.
"As a cis male I have seen some parts which can be quite scary," he told us, adding that he'd heard lots of stories about fathers being stereotyped. The redditor used an example of dads taking their children to the park and at best, being told they're on “babysitting duty” and at worst, being called creeps.
"It helps show the discrimination on both sides," he told Bored Panda. "No matter what gender we are, we all have gender “rules and restrictions” put on us based on social norms."
Compared to men, women are more likely to be seen in a negative light for being assertive or using firm language.
There are countless stories where women used male pennames to write emails/messages to customers and the customers spoke respectfully, while males used women pennames to write emails/messages to customers and were abused.
Can confirm. I changed my name on email sign offs and the difference in responses was huge when using my name compared to the masculine version of my name. Think stephan v Stephanie.
Load More Replies...Very true. Sometimes wanting to talk to the manager is justified.
Load More Replies...Absolutely men are assertive but women are accused of being aggressive for the same behaviour
It goes against their ingrained thinking as growing up and not being taught necessary skills including how to debunk stereotypes and how to act in situations. Kids were making it up as went along based on what they heard seen watched and if no one told them it was wrong a perception will form that stays with a lot of people. Bias recognition and removal is key.
A British mom called Laurel Wider had a similar experience to me a few years back. Her preschool son caught her off guard when he boldly declared that boys don’t cry. As a psychotherapist with a background in gender studies, Wider wanted to weep. But instead, she put on her big boy pants, blue cape and set off to save the day.
Wider started where she believed it all began: the toy box. What transpired was a deep dive into the double standards of dollhouses, dinosaurs, diggers, drills and doctors’ kits. And later, a solution to slay some sexist dragons.
These days, Wider is considered an expert in the toxic traits of toys. She’s even spoken at the White House. Bored Panda caught up with her to find out how Barbie and Batman might have played a role in some of the stories featured here.
Wearing clothes designated for the other gender. Women can wear men's clothes all they want with no issues but the moment a guy wants to wear a dress... And let's be honest, in this heat my balls would love to fly free!!!
If enough men just wore a dress eventually people would just get used to it.
I sometimes wear leggings (stretch fabrics or lycra sports tights) because they are *comfortable*, moreso than regular fabrics are (e.g. especially on an airplane). You wouldn't believe how much male insecurity there is, how many can't mind their own business about something that has ZERO effect on them.
Wearing a dress does not automatically mean going underwear-free though.
If men wanted to wear skirts I wouldn't care in the least. There should be a movement.
I feel like it would be uncomfortable to wear a skirt with no underwear if I was a guy. Wouldn't everything be flopping around? ;)
When Wider researched robots, racing cars and rocketships, she had a radical realization. Many of the so-called boys' toys encouraged building, battles, blocks and ball games but lacked emotion. Girls often got gifted in a more graceful way.
“At the time, all toys that promoted nurturing/empathy/feelings were heavily marketed to girls... I sought to change this,” she told us. Wider asked 150 parents, teachers and experts for their opinions.
Not long after, she launched her very own online toy store to tackle toxic masculinity. Her idea to turn superhero action figures into soft dolls for boys soon took off. Since then, Wonder Crew has won several awards.
As a former bartender... Being grabby. Everyone says men are overly forward. Drunk middle-aged women are the worst. I've had women grab my junk in front of god and country, and everyone laughs it off. If I did that, I'd be in the hospital or prison.
EVERYONE needs to start calling those perverted women out!
Load More Replies...The easiest way to put an end to this is to just yell out HEY in a really aggressive, loud tone. Ends the laughter and startles the grippy person, and f-ck those that think you're a weenie if you stand up for yourself
I quit going to gay bars in the early aughts because l was so utterly sick of all the straight women on bridal shower parties or looking for their GBF to add to their accessories who’d consistently feel it’s appropriate to touch or grab us because we’re “not a threat.” It would happen a dozen or so times in a couple of hours when all I’d want to do is dance with my friends. It’s ubiquitous in gay bars for this to happen. I can only imagine how horrible it is for women when straight guys do this to them, be sure it feels really invasive & disrespectful.
As a middle aged woman I would NEVER touch someone I don't know - even if I was drunk. Anyone who does that is probably total trash regardless of their level of sobriety.
As a woman that dates other woman, anyone can become pushy and handsy when drunk. I've had it happen more times to me from women. I have a bi friend that keeps getting pressured constantly by another woman when she is using a substance. How about people work on respecting consent so they remember even when inhebriated. Call out your friends if you see them doing this if you can.
I too was a bartender in clubs in college and even in the a gay bar I worked sometimes it was only women that smacked my behind. I let it go as long as it was part of the merriment and it wasn’t creepy. I’m now thinking why didn’t I get slap from a guy at the gay bar?… I just hurt my own ego lol
Don’t overthink it. We grab guys we know and we are comfortable with (and they are comfortable being grabbed) but grabbing or slapping a stranger is still pretty off limits- especially if we assume he is straight. No one wants their lights punched out.
Load More Replies...I'm sorry, that's horrible. No one should be grabbing anyone's anything.
Let’s be frank, dolls were once not considered socially acceptable toys for boys. And that’s exactly the thinking Wider wanted to change. But it’s not the only reason for her bold move. For her, it was important to bash the boys don’t cry, blue aisle brigade - by teaching boys to be in tune with their emotions.
"I created Wonder Crew, a line of dolls that combine the adventure of an action figure with the emotional connection of a favorite stuffed animal, plus dress up/costume play - to bring "soft skills" to boys without the stigma," she told Bored Panda.
"At the time of the launch, dolls were mostly marketed to girls. Based on research, I learned that doll play teaches and encourages empathy, connection, vulnerability - these skills were not present or encouraged in toys marketed to boys. I wanted to change this and fill a major gap in the toy industry. Noting that ideally toys are interest based, not gender based."
A girl dancing with another girl. A guy dancing with another guy however is another thing entirely. Unless you're in a gay bar.
While this is unfortunately true, f**k it.Boys night out, dance with your boys!🕺🕺
Yeah, and if I saw a group of guys dancing and having fun I’d be more inclined to join in the fun, bring my girls over with me and hang out, so guys take heed 😂
Load More Replies...There's so much male insecurity that some won't dance AT ALL, they "think" dancing makes them effeminite. They're okay with dates dancing with other men, but shaking their own bodies will "emasculate them". How pathetic.
It's not the I think it's effeminate, it's just that I don't like people looking and laughing at me. Not the same thing at all.
Load More Replies...As Men Without Hats would say, “We can dance, we can dance. Everybody's taking the chance.”
Mosh pit/headbanging guys with guys is fine and never considered questionable to the masculinity.
I think this comes from traditional gender roles and women wanting to show they are not available for the wrong type of attention. Before you cancel me - I'm not saying that is how it SHOULD be, just that I speculate it has roots in that. For example, in the Philippines women on the streets would often walk holding hands or arm in arm. I've seen similar in other asian countries. I asked about it and was told it shows they are together and not a street walker. Or women dancing together in a bar makes them appear a bit less approachable than a woman by herself. That sort of thing. Guys generally don't need any of that - which I assume is why when folks see two guys dancing they are more likely to think 'gay'.
I taught all my bros that wanted to learn to dance myself and they were ok. Maybe more people are realizing how dumb some things are when you think about it. Patrick Swayze the masculine dreamboat (rip) of the 80s and 90s was also a dance instructor. His mom was a professional dancer. He said one time that if he’s teaching a female to dance and they need high heel he wore them and showed them how to do it. If a guy wanted to learn to partner dance and he was the instructor at the time it was him. I think more people than what people think didn’t care or weren’t bothered by a lot but only went with the crowd. That’s the killer is going with them lol
UK Strictly Come Dancing has recently had two male dancers together and they've been awesome
We also had two men dancing together on the Austrian show 'Dancing Stars'. Why not?
Load More Replies...Men expressing positive emotion. Men are allowed to express anger, rage, even hatred and it’s just someone with a “temper.” But express love or kindness and he’s soft or weak. If I haven’t seen a friend for a while I’m going to want to hug them and tell them I’ve missed them. I’m tired of that being a knock against my masculinity.
The reverse with anger or any emotion. If a woman gets angry or expresses ANYTHING except calmness, she's labelled "out of control".
Or is asked if “it’s that time of the month?”! Just for showing normal emotions.
Load More Replies...Really? I see guys greet each other with hugs and handshakes and happy faces all the time
Ya I'm surprised by this one too. Most guys I know are very comfortable hugging friends male or female.
Load More Replies...My BF and his friends hug and give a kiss on the cheek. They're allaround 60 and they've done this since they were teens.
I have never heard anyone in today's world speak negatively of these toxic traits, especially when it comes to masculinity.
When I was in ly 20ies, we had a huge friend group, and almost all guys were hugging the other guys and somethimes cheek kissing and the like, my then boyfriend now ex the 'cuddliest' of all. Don't know, we used to say 'party gay', on behhalf of all LGBTQ I want to apologize for the term, but I couldn't get a better one 😅 For a rural area quite progressive
Double standards can start young. Babies have some understanding of gender from about 9 months old. By the time they’re toddlers, they develop ideas about behaviors and activities considered "appropriate" for each gender. Putting girls and boys in (pink and blue) boxes further reinforces these stereotypes.
Dr. Sarah Lamer is an assistant professor of social psychology at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. She's done extensive research on gender stereotyping so I reached out to her to find out more.
"Gender stereotypes are limiting by definition, and these limitations impact children early in development. For example, research shows that as early as the age of 2 and by the age of 7, girls believe that they are worse at math than boys, believe angular shapes and rough textures are masculine, believe that a really smart student is more likely to be a boy than a girl, and tend to play with stereotypical 'girl toys' (e.g., tea set, doll) more than stereotypical 'boy toys' ( e.g., skateboard, baseball)," explained Lamer.
Sitting in the park alone on a bench, watching the kids play in the playground.
Woman: nurturing
Man: p*do.
"with their kids". I am a man with kids and 7 grandkids. There is definitely a different vibe just sitting at the park alone watching people and enjoying the sunshine compared to if the other people (often mothers) SEE you interacting with your own kids/grandkids. It might well be 'not a thing' wherever you are but it is definitely a thing. (me - NW USA)
Load More Replies...Watch ducks swim and feed in a pond, nobody assumes you're into b3$tiality. Watch kids in a playground with the same interest you have in ducks, and suddenly everyone "thinks" it's wrong.
I had women questioning why I was at the park with my daughter, had my picture taken and the accusations. Got a full on Karen asking where her mum was. So sad for dads trying to be good dads.
Not just a US thing. Maybe with Karens in the US, but most people don't care which parent is with the kids. Lots of families (including my own) have stay-at-home dads now.
Load More Replies...True. Sometimes sitting on a bench is just sitting on a bench. Very few of our local parks are designed specifically for children but most of them include elements (playground, splash area) that attract children. But they are made for all ages. As a father / grandfather I can tell you people scrutinize you a lot less if they see you interacting with kids of your own over just relaxing and observing the clouds and the people.
Fathers in the playground with their kids are perfectly fine. Guys can even help other kids with getting somewhere up high and stuff. But... Guys without kids are indeed a red flag. Why? Because I've seen pedos on the playground/outside the swimming pool watching or even filming kids and know others who have seen the same. It's sad but where there are small kids, there will be pedos. If those people are always men however, I don't know. Maybe they stand out more. It's sad that it ruins normal interaction between men and kids. Kids need both male and female influences.
True~ an elderly woman without children would be welcomed. An eldery man without children would not.
Even worse if your wife is a different ethnicity and so your kids look darker or lighter skinned than you. I know firsthand. People assume they're not my kids and will ask where their mom is. B***h I'm their dad back off.
I keep thinking about the 45 yo woman who was having sex with the 18-20 yo guy. She posted about how sexually liberating it was and how she was living her best life. The comments were all from women congratulating her.
If she was a man she’d have gotten downvoted to hell.
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's not creepy. Also, I'm 38 woman and personally I can't imagine the appeal of dating and 18 year old guy. I remember sleeping with 18 year old guys when I was 18 and turns out, they don't know sh*t. Because, ya know, they're 18!
I would feel like a straight up pedophile! My cousins have kids older than that and they looked like they were 15 to me.
Load More Replies...But men have been doing this since the dawn of time, then in the 90s it was a kind of anything men can do women can do too. Now it should be it's gross whoever does it
ugh... I ... still find this creepy. If a friend of mine... of ANY gender/non-gender did this... I know I would NOT be all "Yeah, you're awesome!" bleearrgh.
I'm one of those who think age is just a number. I've been in both sides of the "spectrum". Briefly dated a guy 11 years my senior, he was no good, boring, overbearing, domineering. Been seeing this guy 11 years my junior, lots of fun, nothing serious, no expectations, loads of energy. I'm having so much fun with the younger guy.
If BP allows a person to edit their comment, I haven't figured it out, so....the other thing was that a large number of people asked me what his parents thought about us. Not one person asked me what my parents thought. Considering that the older person in the relationship is the one who will usually end up with the short end of the stick if and when there is a break up.
Disagree.. he would get likes and admiration from a lot of guys,that's the cause for dating young women. but no matter which gender, if you have to brag about dating ,you need more kind of selfreflection than applause from the same gender
Ugh.. i would be annoyed and exhausted. i dated someone very briefly that was 20 and i was 30. So much immature energy~ it was like dating a puppy.
I did the same. We had 2 things in common, one was work and dogs. Exhausting is a very nice word, it was completely frustrating.
Load More Replies...Like men don't get pats on the back from other men from dating younger women. Heaven forefend a woman does the same. I'm not saying I tjink it's ok, but let's not pretend this isn't a double standard right here.
Lamer was part of a team of researchers who analyzed a bunch of popular children’s tv shows. They found that in at least 12 shows, the characters were treated differently - depending on how “girly” or “boyish” they behaved. Feminine girls and masculine boys were treated better. While masculine girls and feminine boys were treated worse. They also found the behavior spilled out of the plasma set and onto the playground after children watched the shows.
“In our studies, we asked girls aged 6 to 11 to watch 4 minutes of silent clips featuring the pattern. After watching these clips, they felt like their parents and peers wanted them to be more feminine. The more pressure the girls felt, the more they played with stereotypical girl toys,” wrote Lamer in a blog post for the Society of Personality and Social Psychology.
But wait. It gets worse. The researchers did a test after the kids watched the shows. It turns out some little girls feel the need to dumb themselves down to fit in. “When we asked them to record a video message to introduce themselves to peers at another school—the less intelligence they conveyed. Subtle patterns like this one could have major impact,” explained Lamer.
Men's mental health is not considered enough.
I don't need to explain further.
The pain that so many men hold inside ... please talk to us, we want to help.
If you mean on BP? Yeah, no. I mentioned something traumatic once and the women on here were brutal... I will keep it to myself.
Load More Replies...Toxic masculinity and made up "rules" create the incels that explode in violence. Meanwhile everyone that promotes toxic masculinity and "rules" pretends it's unrelated.
It seems like men's mental health isn't considered enough or taken seriously, while the same can be said about gynecological health.
Imagine if a man took a woman's issue and made it about men... we would be called out immediately.
Load More Replies...The most annoying thing about this is that for a long time a lot of women having been asking men to see therapists for their mental health, but we're not being listened to. Please, men, if you are feeling down or angry please please please go and see a therapist. Please also encourage your friends to see therapists if they seem out of character. With mental health no one can help you if you don't want to help yourself.
I'm very much looked down on by my family (of all women) for this. Even more so if I bring it up by saying I think I'm doing better overall. Then I get a spiel about how I need to stop therapy and meds since I say I feel better. If I try to say it's not how it works, it's always back to "just suck it up".
I hope you are able to find a better chosen family, and create some healthy space for yourself outside of that toxicity. You deserve better support than this.
Load More Replies...I think Men's Sheds are great here in Aus, guys working with their hands and talking things out. Good stepping stone to couselling etc.
An athlete in Canada started a group for outdoorsy men. He has them do physical labour, chopping wood, canoeing, etc. At the end of the day, they talk things out around a campfire.
Load More Replies...I bottled it up for years, barely missed getting hospitalised. Now 8 yrs down the line I wish I could of found someone to open up to
Men tend to keep it inside. You need to ask for help. Women have to ask for help as well.
Whereas when a woman has a health problem without an obvious cause, many doctors can't be bothered to search for it and will tell them it is a mental health problem.
Way to be the example. One section on men's mental health and it has to be minimized.
Load More Replies... Aging.
A man who naturally ages is considered dignified. Women who age are considered washed up and spend thousands of dollars trying to stop the aging process.
Men age like wine, women like milk.
Males want to force women to have children, then get pi$$y and go chase other women because women's bodies change after childbirth.
Yeah - goes hand in hand with the seeming 'General acceptance' that a guy saying "I date older women" (when they themselves are over 40, btw) means... dating someone close to their age. What? And somehow... that's considered "ooh, admirable" - wow. Okay.
I'm gonna take a pages from my mums book and embrace my grey hairs. I'm 40. I don't wanna look like I'm trying to be 20 again.
I think that’s with the vein unhappy types. I love older females faces. Love actress Vanessa Redgrave appearance. She looks absolutely regal.
I think many women put pressure on themselves to look a certain way because they compare themselves to people they see on social media. I really don't think men care if women age naturally! I personally think that a lot of women who are spending thousands on getting work done, on their faces, are ending up looking even older than they actually are!
Again, only if you accept that in your circles (or watch famous / stars). I'm in my 60s. Some of my friends in 70s. Men and women - we just get older. I don't know a single friend female or not who is "spending thousands of dollars" trying to pretend they are not getting older. Most of them were "low maintenance" people when younger and they still are.
It's more socially acceptable for men to wear stern/solemn/neutral facial expressions. In a society that largely expects women to be smiling and cheerful 24/7, when I wear any sort of flat affect, people assume I'm in a "bad mood" 😐.
Talk about flat effect, as a woman, I've been told a few times by men, not to wear my sunglasses on public transit because no one can see my eyes. Umm why do you need/want to see my eyes?
"You should shut up on public transit so no one knows you're a creeper."
Load More Replies...I'm happy to have reached the ripe old age of smiling and no one wants to think I'm flirting.
Load More Replies...Whenever someone says, "Smile!" to me, I reply, "I was, but then you showed up." Their reaction is usually delightfully offended, and that does bring a smile to my face.
Like my grandma. When I expess any negative emotion, she starts berating me that I look grumpy and people (aka men) will find it unattractivve
Honestly, piggybacking off of this.... The desire to not speak or be social. I've been to so many parties where it's considered perfectly normal for a man to sit in the corner or barely socialize, but if a woman does the same thing she is considered unfriendly. Unfriendly. A man will hardly be noticed if he chooses not to engage, but women are expected to be bubbly and social even if they don't have the energy. I might be wrong on this, it's a recent observation, but the more I look back the more I feel it's accurate.
I'm wearing a rbf and I am in a bad mood. And I'm a guy teaching women to use their rbf in self-defense.
Wider has been doing her bit to level the playing field since her son first said boys don’t cry. “My colleague, Jodi Bondi Norgaard and I recently collaborated with The Geena Davis Institute on Gender and Media on a study titled: Equal Play? Analyzing Gender Stereotypes, Diversity and Inclusion in Advertising and Marketing for the Most Popular Toys of 2022,” she told me.
They scrutinized 175 adverts featuring the best selling toys that year. “Advertisements featuring toys marketed to girls (e.g., baby dolls) overwhelmingly focused on nurturing,” states the study. “Advertisements featuring toys marketed to boys were predominantly cars, sporting equipment or games, and toy weapons, with masculine music and language used in these ads more than in ads for toys marketed to girls. These results suggest that gender-inclusive products and marketing strategies for toys tend to be the exception rather than the rule."
Mild sexual a***ult.
Girlfriend introduced me to some of her coworkers in college. Handshakes and awkward hugs around. Last girl in the group greeted me by pinching my nipple. Several laughed. I immediately pinched hers back. There was a brief uncomfortable silence until she started laughing once the shock wore off.
It was fine and fun for her. It was not fine for me until she approved.
I get the general point, but yeah, wtf! Just don't pinch anyone's nipples, ever! Unless there's consent!!!
Load More Replies...On a different note: the word a$$ault is now forbidden, too? I didn't know that. In terms of language policies, this is turning more and more orwellian.
Guys do stuff like that to each other all the time. If you do not like make it known and have it respected. There’s also a double standard for gay male friends. Woman will do the craziest s**t around us than they would a guy considered straight. I know it’s because they know a gay male is not in it for their goods. We’re just having fun. I think sometimes that straight guys are missing out on good fun if they had girlfriends (platonic) they did stuff with that girls liked or the group liked. I do stuff like hunt, hang with my straight bros, and get to experience that world too.
That would be just assault, not sexual assault, since men's nipples aren't sexualized.
People are getting openminded about it, but body hairs.
Recently read: men are allowed to just exist in their natural state (body hair and all). Women are expected to to work hard to get rid of what's their natural state
Hollywood is pushing the hairless wonder look for guys too. When was the last time you saw some guy's back hair for anything else but the mocking purposes?
Load More Replies...The thing I am yet to grasp is why body hair on women is "unhygienic" but on men it's not. Grooming is one thing, hygiene is another.
I love this revolution, I was a young teen in 01 and that era was sooooo superficial and as an adult having the kids of today bringing this in has been amazing, I can not feel gross or like a bad woman for not shaving cos I can’t be bothered on some days .
Lots of men, especially younger ones and athletes, are now getting body hair removed.
Honestly, I shave my armpits cuz I don't like the feel of hair there, it bugs me. Plus, when I don't, I get heat rashes that really hurt. But during the summer I shave my legs (I don't in the winter) cuz I feel like if I don't, everyone will judge me. And I know for a fact my mom will. She always has something to say about my legs in the winter, and always reminds me to shave before we go swimming..
Personally as a man I have never cared what a woman chooses as her personal pubic hair-do, it is the person who wears it that matters most
I had a female neighbor who never shaved and she smelled like c**p. If you're going to do that, please keep that area clean.
Regardless whether the area is shaved or not, keeping the area clean is a must. Just because you shaved, you’re not cleaner than someone who doesn’t. It doesn’t follow that your neighbour smelled like c**p is because she didn’t shave. It’s because she needed to bathe. Source: me, a person who does not shave and does not smell like anything because I bathe.
Load More Replies...Most of the beauty standards imposed on women are by other women. It may be old men in suits deciding which beauty ads to fund (and sometimes it's women) but on the street level it is generally other women who shame a women for - not shaving / not having fake nails / fake lashes / hair extensions / plumping and whatever else. My best friends (women) wear what they want and rarely wear makeup or perfume. My best friend gets her nails done now (didn't years ago) but only because cancer meds messed up her fingernails and made them quite weak.
While I agree that sometimes women can be worst at oppressing other women (like men are often worst at oppressing other men), the only people who ever shamed me about my body hair were men. Women might have commented, but never to my recollection in a censoring way. Lack of make-up, hair length (I like it shorter): men. My tendency to wear boots v fancy shoes: men. The exception is clothes, everyone thinks I often dressed weird XD
Load More Replies...Unless it's cancer or something like that, ANYTHING that appears on your body naturally IS natural and doesn't need to be "changed" or "removed".
It kinda does... Look at beard for starters.. nails.. old skin
Load More Replies...Other findings include:
- Toys marketed to girls were 18 times more likely to be shown demonstrating nurturing or domestic skills than toys marketed to boys.
- 75% of toys that were played competitively or violently were played with by boys.
- Marketing materials often employ gender roles and stereotypes through colors, characteristics of the actors using the toy, the way they play with the toy, and the type of emotional experience associated with play.
- Parents are responsive to this marketing and can reinforce gender stereotypes through both the toys they purchase for their children and the types of play they encourage and discourage.
I wouldn’t say it is socially unacceptable but fathers are often treated with more wariness if they take their kids to a park solo in comparison to mother.
Again: not everywhere. I don‘t know how it is in Asia or Africa but this is not the case for at least part of Europe.
Yes! Definitely not here in Sweden. Fathers take parental leave to look after their kids. A percentage is saved specifically for Dads! Not uncommon to see groups of Dads hanging with their kids. As someone who was originally from Australia I love the sharing of parental leave.
Load More Replies...It's so great you're babysitting your kids. It's not babysitting when they're your own children.
I’ve been congratulated for taking my own daughter shopping. Has happened in the grocery store and when clothes shopping for her. It’s “nice” that I am willing to babysit her.
My brother (White) married wife (deep Black). Son (Beautiful light coffee color). Brother had to carry a picture of all three of them to prove that everything was okay when he was out with his kid.
OR (in my husband’s case) Dad’s are “fun”, “involved” and “dedicated”. I’m just a mum that no one looks twice at no matter how many people I push on the swings and chase down slippery dips.
Telling a woman she’s being overly emotional and needs to behave when she disagrees with something, while in the same situation a man is told “Good idea. We’ll take what you said into consideration.”.
“We’ll take that into consideration” is corporate-speak for “we think your suggestion is total cr@p” without actually saying “no”.
The point here is: that corporate-speak should be applied equally to both genders, even though it's used as a brush-off. Why do men get a polite, placating brush-off and women get told they need to "calm down"?
Load More Replies...OP is painting two different scenarios there. I worked IT with a fairly equal mix of men/women. The women's input was accepted like the men's. But my real point is the women were not "emotional" when they offered input. Any more than the men. If someone had acted emotional and angry in a meeting we would find it unacceptable no matter man or women. Except I never saw that. We were professionals.
Tell a male to "calm down" and "stop being emotional". The response is amazing.
I used to respond like that to my ex and he’d get so flustered.
Load More Replies...Again, not my experience in my country or profession. All of the female PhD:s I know have been respected by their male colleagues. See, the only thing that counts is knowledge and skills, not gender.
A female engineer from Romania never had problems with sexism there, but she encountered some in Canada at her first job. Luckily, her next boss thought she was a good engineer and didn't just by gender.
Load More Replies...I have literally never seen this happen. No one enjoys men being overly emotional or jerks. It really doesn't matter the gender. Men might get less blow back for it, but everyone still thinks you're an ahole.
Being affectionate to their friends. Hugs, telling them you love them, heart to hearts.
Women 👍
Men 👎
What a b******t society.
When I meet my best male friends, there's definitely hugging when meeting and saying goodbye, in private or public. We're all in the mid 40s and nobody blinks an eye...
Yup! My dude can't walk into or out of the bar without at least five people hugging him (male and female) and having at least one person pulling him aside for therapy.
Load More Replies...You're right. It definitely sounds like a b******t society. Care to tell us which one it is so that we don't accidentally move there?
That's because when men met up they were hunting mammoth. So heres Ugg, next here's Ugg in Ikea flat-pack format, not going to hug a wardrobe ;)
That isn't biology. That is socialization. 'Men are so lonely, it's an epidemic', drop the bs and be there for each other. Not that difficult.
Load More Replies..."[...] are far more [...] than [...]" is a common statement made by the ignorant.
Load More Replies...Gender stereotyping is everywhere. On the shelves, in shops, under the kitchen sink, on the television, internet and radio. Sometimes it's stupid and pointless. Other times it’s downright dangerous. U.S. based NGO Save The Children says outdated gender roles play a direct role in millions of human rights violations around the world.
I asked Wider what advice she had for parents who want to break gender stereotypes. "Give kids the opportunity to experience a range of play experiences, regardless of gender. Provide diverse toys," she said.
But added that adults can take it a step further, "Write to manufacturers, ask for toys that are interest based, rather than gender based - toys that are more inclusive. It's important for kids to have a wide range of play experiences.
The most popular one is... one can have their shirt off one cannot.
In the US there are actually 30 some states where it’s perfectly legal for women to be topless where one would expect men to be without a shirt. New York State being one of them. (245.01 was changed in 1992 after a state supreme court ruled the statute was discriminatory because of gender). Check your local and state laws. You’re going to be surprised!
Came to say this about Canada. Totally legal, it's just rarely done. Cultural taboo and all.
Load More Replies...Maybe in some countries. Go to Spain or Italy and women are topless on many beaches (not just nudist ones)
It's actually illegal in most of Italy. Quite common on Spanish beaches, I grant you, has been for decades.
Load More Replies...Depends where in the world you are. A lot of African tribes don't wear tops. Breasts are not seen as sexual at all. They are there to feed the babies. I forget the tribal name, but one group finds elongated necks a sexual attraction. They wear metal bands whilst growing up to stretch their neck to be as long as possible. The bands can never be removed as the neck muscles are too weak to support the head. Another tribe has disks placed in the lower lip. The bigger the disk, the more attractive they are perceived.
In New York it's legal for women to be topless. In fact they have a day where they get alot of them together to go out in public topless just to remind law enforcement and others of this equality.
I’m seeing a lot of conflicting information on this. Some searches come up with 6 states, some come up with 30 something. From Time Magazine 4/26/2015 “The vast majority of states actually have laws on the books making clear that women can’t be arrested under state law solely for being topless in settings where it’s OK for men. But many local ordinances ban the practice anyway. And there’s plenty of grey area for police officers to make their own interpretations and make arrests for “public indecency” or “disorderly conduct.” “ 🤷🏻♂️
Where I live a women did this and was arrested. She too, it to court using the equality argument, and won. We can now all go barebreated if we want.
There laws that actually allow it in areas. There was a study performed in New York City where topless women were walking through crowds in the busiest places and everyone that came a person would pull the exact law that says it’s totally legal lol. A cop show up and they had to show him he just laughed out his hands up and said ok. lol If it’s legal don’t let guys get the market on comfort in the summer. Or whenever.
Touching. Women are ALWAYS touching people.
Guy puts his hand on a girl’s shoulder, it’s creepy.
Girl I barely know puts her hand on my shoulder, perfectly fine.
No one should go around touching strangers, coworkers or casual acquaintances, it's weird.
I'll give you stranger, and even coworkers, but can you explain why I am not allowed to touch casual acquaintances?
Load More Replies...When women touch others, it's almost always to show concern and emotion to someone they know. A lot of male touching is done to strangers or without consent.
I’m autistic. I don’t like being touched. Anyone of any gender touching me without my permission is going to get angry face and a jerk away at least. I have been known to throw hands.
Keep in mind that the order of these lists shifts around according of up/downvotes.
Load More Replies...Nope. I don't want anyone other than Mr Other Guest putting a hand on me for any reason without my express consent. Offer a handshake, fist bump, or elbow bump, that's fine, but otherwise? Don't touch me.
Load More Replies...Women may hug or touch a shoulder. Men will slap on the back, fist bump, etc. It's just different.
Women who have been abused may not want to be touched at all. Just ask first.
This is why I always ask for a person’s consent unless they have already given me their consent. If they’ve made clear that they’re always up for a hug, I’m happy to hug those folks. If they have made clear that they’re not huggers, I opt for handshakes. It’s that simple!
1) Sleeping around. If men do it, they’re respected, if women do it, they’re considered sluts.
2) Wearing makeup. If men do it, they’ll immediately be labelled as gay for simply wanting to look attractive.
3) Being a stay-at-home parent. If a woman stays home with the kids, she is respected. However when men do it, they are shamed.
I don't think this is as bad any more. It's still not equal. But...men aren't respected for this any more. And women aren't shamed as much as they were when I grew up, by far.
😂😂 Wait till he models all-orange clothes! Mind you, some of his followers are ahead of the curve on that wardrobe colour.
Load More Replies...I'm a woman and when I stayed home (over 30 yrs ago now, sheesh!) A bunch of yuppie types gave me lots of attitude. The assumption was that all stay-at-homes are lazy, watching soaps on tv and not lifting a finger to do any work
Yeah, I'm not sure where this person lives but I'm not sure how many stay at home mothers would agree they feel respected by society.
Load More Replies...I love men wearing guy liner. Nothing wrong if someone thinks you gay. Who cares. Drop your fragile masculinity and use makeup if you want.
I think #1 was definitely more in the past, probably up into the 2000s. By the time the Millenials and Gen Z started having sex, s**t shaming wasn't really a thing (at least not where I live). In fact, it had almost flipped with guys being called f*ckboys. #2, you definitely see more men wearing makeup now, again, it's led by Milennials and Gen Z. #3 My partner was a SAHD in the early 2000s and we got some funny looks but just didn't care. Much more common now. All good things IMHO.
There are lines of men’s cosmetics everywhere now. Have you seen gen z or alpha in the wild yet lol. Boys can wear makeup again like they did for centuries only now it looks better and risk killing you.
No, no and no. 1. Men sleeping around are immature kids trying to show a flex that isn't a flex. 2. Noone cared when I wore glittering eyeliner, but I was a head taller than everyone else and pretty broad, so maybe they didn't dare to antagonise me. 3. I've been a stay at home dad and the only people who treated me bad for it were my retirement fund people.
I asked Lamer the same question... "I will pass on the advice that my undergraduate Psychology of Women professor, Joan Chrisler, gave us: If your behavior would change based on the gender of the person you are interacting with, then stereotypes are influencing your actions," she answered.
"For example, would you respond to the child's emotion differently if it were a boy than a girl? Would you suggest a different toy? Would you be less likely to comment on their outfit? Pretend play as a different profession? If so, ask yourself why – that is, what stereotype is guiding that behavior – and adjust accordingly."
Women hitting men seems disgustingly socially acceptable
Women/girls sexually a*****ting men/boys also seems to be amusing to many.
There are still way too many people who believe that men and boys can’t be SA victims. As in, not at all. Grinds my gears.
Hitting or s.a.ing people is illegal where I come from, regardless of gender.
I don't think so much any more. Hitting is unacceptable for anyone. Sexually assaulting men/boys is also extremely unacceptable and many more women are being indicted for it.
Yeah, well when your alcoholic, bipolar girlfriend loses her s**t and starts beating the s**t out of you, we are supposed to just take it. Best advice I have from personal experience, get in the fetal position and cover your face and ears like you should in a wild animal attack. Because it doesn't matter what the truth is, or how covered in bruises and blood you are, if there's one mark on her for trying to stop her by grabbing arms, not hitting back even,il you will go to jail. You will be prosecuted, you will have a very hard time defending yourself in court, and either way your friends and family will change their opinions of you and you'll forever be labeled a wife beater or domestic abuser, and it will totally destroy your life as you know it. So yeah, we're supposed to just "man up", take a beating.
Document the abuse, take pictures, take videos, tell hospital workers. Women started doing this because law enforcement wasn't doing enough without clear evidence. And do your best to leave a relationship as soon as you see can tell it's turning bad. There's nothing manly about staying in an abusive relationship.
Load More Replies...I'm a middle aged man, youngish grandfather age. Interacting with kids without my wife present. It makes me a little sad because I like kids, but I understand why, and also understand it's a minor thing compared to the biases other groups deal with.
But wait. It gets worse. The researchers did a test after the kids watched the shows. It turns out some little girls feel the need to dumb themselves down to fit in. “When we asked them to record a video message to introduce themselves to peers at another school—the less intelligence they conveyed. Subtle patterns like this one could have major impact,” explained Lamer.
Affection towards children, especially children we’re not related to. I can talk to small children, laugh with them, pinch a cheek, etc because it’s more socially acceptable because I’m a woman.
Of course I’ll never harm a child but strangers don’t know it. But if a man did it, it would get more attention.
I've always wondered why people do that to kids. Do they actually think anyone likes being pinched?
Load More Replies...No strangers should talk with or laugh with small children?
Load More Replies...There is a woman who comes into my coffee shot often; she brings her daughter (maybe 4 or 5) I used to play peek-a-boo with her and we the 3 of us would laugh - something happened in my head and I suddenly thought everyone was thinking I was a pedo. I stopped interacting with her. One day I smiled at her and her mother said "see, he still likes you" - I started interacting again but we both are kind of suspicious
This reminds me of a library I used to work at. A male coworker from my department applied for a different position in Youth Services. He was passed over and a friend told him--unofficially--it was because YS didn't want patrons to feel uncomfortable having a man interact with their children." Utter and total BS.
I don't think I'm wrong in saying this
Women ogling men is more sociably acceptable than men ogling women.
The difference is that it doesn't make men feel unsafe. Women feel unsafe when ogled because men have been allowed to sexually harass and assault us for centuries with little to no consequence.
I was roofied by a group of women who asked me to come sit with them and were feeding me free drinks. I did feel safe I guess. Never again. And the night ended by mee apparently walking away from the bar and wandering around in traffic, until the police came and an ambulance ride to have my stomach pumped. When I came to at the hospital, I was four point strapped to a hospital bed and was freaking out. The nurses treated me like any other drunk and were very cold until my tox report came back. Then I was accused of accidentally drinking the drink I spiked for someone else. It was a long night, and I was interrogated the next morning until they gave up I guess? Miserable experience all the way around.
Load More Replies...Maybe because women don't sexualy assault men at even close to the same rate.
99% of rapists are male, 1% are women, and males are much more likely to use violence and force while perpetrating rapes. [ https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics ] Women ogling isn't likely to be followed up with sexual assault at knifepoint.
But men can still feel uncomfortable with it?
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Guys: Sorry fellas, I can't go out tonight, the wife won't let me. "Oh no problem, we totally get that."
Girls: Sorry ladies, I can't go out tonight, the husband won't let me. "OMG girl! He is abusive and controlling! You need to leave him!".
I often think 'my wife won't let me/my husband won't let me' is just an excuse.
100%, but post is still true of what would people think.
Load More Replies...Yeah, it is. Heard almost exactly those lines back to back from coworkers, which actually sparked a debate about it
Load More Replies...Won't let me? Sounds like a way to make your better half sound horrible and not take responsibility for not wanting to go out.
“The wife won’t let me” is actually not a nice thing for people to say and I usually Donny have a lot of respect for anyone that says it anyway, and is usually code for “my wife would like me to spend time with her and our kids and would like some help around the house as well”.
I understand that we’re trying to make up for a lot of unjust treatment towards women but this kind of stuff is ridiculous, it’s like women can do no harm and men can only do harm. And it needs to stop.
When women say this it's actually happening. When men say it, many times it's because they don't want to go out and it's easier to blame the wife.
The body positivity movement. How many plus size models do you see lately? How many are male?
To be fair, there are many plus-sized male actors. Maybe it's not 100% what this person is saying, but think about how many plus-sized men are movie/TV actors in lead roles, and how many plus-sized women. And if the woman IS plus-sized, it's either used as a punch-line or a "brave" thing.
I don't agree with this. Look at the cast of Friends. The men gained weight throughout the show, no problem. Meanwhile the women got thinner as the show went on as they were not allowed to gain weight. In a lot of instances men are allowed to be larger, women are not. King of Queens, According to Jim, Bob hearts Abushila early seasons. No mention of men's weight. In American Housewife Katie being a bit larger was a plot point. Beer ads, movies, shows...larger men are far more accepted.
Maybe we shouldn't be celebrating extremes on either end of the weight spectrum. Neither is ideal for health.
I hink its more u shouldn't hate urself and feel disgusting for how u look etc etc. Yes u should eat healthy. No u shouldn't hate urself for ur appearance.
Load More Replies...Yeah... there's a whole 'celebration' and 'thing' for the "Dad bod" right now (like, oh, it's kinda cute - it's got fans, etc.)... and uhh women are still supposed to be well.. let's just say "mom-bod" still means "you are a non-person" or "You are unattractive to the general social consciousness and media-verse."
Not entirely the same. How many male movie stars have "dad bods" and are considered sex symbols? How many women?
A fat dude scoring a beautiful, slim women in films is common. An attractive, slim man with a fat chick? A joke at best. Hugh Jackman got s**t for his wife looking like a women his age. How could he possibly want her!?!?
A larger woman is called "plus size" but a larger man is well, just larger. Women are tired of being labelled. The body positivity movement was started by women to fight against this stuff, men, if you want to join in, you're welcome.
THIS. this movement was made for people with physical deformities that they have no control over; not people who won’t stop eating.
When was the last time you saw plus sized mans clothing be advertised? Men have clothing in different sizes, woman have plus-sized clothing
I saw commercials for Melissa Etheridge going to a women's prison and saying something to the effect of "Women don't belong in prison" and I was like ????
I do believe sometimes women receive harsher sentences for certain crimes. And the conditions for women prisoners are worse because generally men are incarcerated more than women so they don't allocate funds properly. I am speaking from my own experience having been incarcerated. If you had your period and couldn't afford tampons from commissary, there were only a limited amount of pads available. I could go on and on, but anyway. That being said, years ago I served some time with a women who SA 2 boys, 11 and 9 years old. Forced them down, and, well, that monster belonged in prison. But there were too many others that probably shouldn't have been.
Women should serve the same amount of time as men for the same crimes. Full stop. We can debate whether some crimes deserve prison, but that’s a different subject.
Load More Replies...Many incarcerated women are simply "guilty " of having boyfriends or husbands who are criminals.
Yes, when you choose to be with someone you know to be a criminal, then you are guilty of not alerting authorities, as well as terrible judgement in people to love. Don't act like the babe in the woods, you choose to associate with criminals, then you are guilty by complacence and you should be punished, by whatever level of crime you're a party to. And likely they don't refuse to have bills paid, gifts, expensive luxuries in their lives, so that makes them more culpable than just turning a blind eye
Load More Replies...What about women who murder their children? Or commit fraud? Why shouldn't they face consequences?
Women attacking or killing men have traditionally had much worse sentences than the opposite. Even when they were abused or defending themselves.
Um, what?! In what tradition are you talking about, and where? In the US, many states (I know from experience) have a gender difference in charges, I was charged with "assault on a female". I asked the cop what the charge would be if opposite, "simple battery". Different punishments, automatic three days in jail for assault on a female, and if I had been convicted, which I was definitely not and not guilty of, then that phrasing would have made me unable to work in my female dominant field and would understandably be looked at much more negatively than being convicted of simple battery.
Load More Replies...“When a child isn’t represented, when they don’t see themselves in their toys or media, it impacts their sense of self, confidence and potential. If we want to raise whole children; we need to support and encourage the whole child,” she added.
In short, forget “let boys be boys” and let’s focus on letting toys be toys.
Having much more lenient prison sentances based on gender for the same crimes.
Look up prison sentences for cops. If the cop is a white male, they get slaps on the wrist and protected by other cops. If the perpetrator is female or non-white, they get thrown to the wolves.
I don't think any cops do well in prison as most of the other prisoners were put there by cops. There aren't usually enough cops there to provide protection for each other.
Load More Replies...One reason for more lenient prison sentences for women is because in many cases they are the sole provider for children. Instead of punishing the women the thought is the care of those children.
Speaking from bitter personal experience, yeah. Having survived an assault and attempted murder from a woman. She got off with nothing at all. She played the "Oh help me! I'm just a poor blond girl with a drinking problem card." No court ordered rehab or therapy or anything. I had to literally fight for my life from someone trying to kill me and stand between her and other people she was trying to hurt with a jagged piece of glass. I got cut up and trauma, she received no punishment at all.
I've seen lesbians sit at bars and absolutely pester the s**t out of straight women, to the point that if we saw guys being that creepy we make them leave but for some reason because they are woman they get a pass.....
They don't get a pass. It's still rude. The difference is, one has far greater potiential for injury that the other.
As a lesbian, I'd just like to say here: any instrument that can be used as a weapon levels THAT right out. Aggressive lesbian women who never hear "no" when you say it can be just as dangerous. They just go about it differently, and you hear about lesbian-on-lesbian crime less. But our community has just as many douchebags and domestic abusers as yours.
Load More Replies...This resonates with me (straight female). We have a volunteer who low-key hits on me every time she sees me. Some of her comments would without a doubt make me much more uncomfortable if she were a man. I'm not saying I'm right for feeling this way, but that's the way it is.
I've been hit on by some aggressive lesbians and it made me feel as creeped out as if a male had done it.
I am so tired of women being able to do anything because “we owe them for what happened before they were born”
Actually yeah. I remember going to a concert with a lesbian chick and she made it a game that night to see how many women would allow her to touch their boobs. No one turned her down, 5 different women all let her reach under their shirts/bras to cop a feel. It was a very weird double standard to see in person. Possibly due to her being very short and therefore not physically intimidating
Being vulnerable and open yourself about your struggles and insecurities. You're going to be heavily criticized and suffer judgement, specially by people that are close to you, if you do this as a man.
Edit: just to clarify to the ones saying I should get better people In my life... While I have suffered with this with past relationships, and with friends and family, my best friend it's a woman, and she's the only person that I can truly open myself and be vulnerable without feeling judged or critzed.
But the fact is, there's a lot of man that suffers with this, and I think it should be addressed and discussed.
"Get better people in your life" is such awful advice. Don't you think most of us would prefer only having "good" people in our lives? But sometimes it's hard to see that someone is not good for us. Not to mention it's hard to make friends as an adult to begin with.
The best advice I've ever heard about making friends as an adult is to keep going to the same place... A game shop you like, a coffee shop, a bar, some weird class you like. I met most of my nearest and dearest after 35.
Load More Replies...i really feel bad for men about this...they are so cut off from a social network and emotional support when it comes to their internal struggles..and, as a single parent, i can really relate to the pressure to provide...to stay in a job you don't like...etc...b/c everyone is depending on you for financial support...
I deal with this at work. I have PTSD and anxiety/depression issues due to lots of trauma and work in the video games industry. If I have a bad day at work it reflects negatively on me and will be noted on my performance evaluation. If the blond girl sitting next to me has the same issue, she will be given accommodations and understanding, her workload reduced to about 1/3 of mine. We have the same job and make the same money.
Wearing a bra.
Sounds funny, but bras have a function that men with breasts could benefit from as well. Especially while exercising.
But let a woman go without a bra, and everybody condemns her, even other women.
That comes and goes, as a trend. If you look at photos from the 70s lots of women were braless. Now a lot of kids do the same. And celebrities are straight up using their boobs as fashion on red carpets
Load More Replies...Yes! I wish I could wear a sports bra or not one at all, but I'm a 40D. Not wearing one and running around can be painful. If I had to run down to the basement at my job without one I'd definitely knock myself out! 😵💫
My sister used to say to me, "If you fell in the pool you wouldn't drown, but you might suffocate."
Load More Replies...If men started wearing bras they would never leave the house to get any exercise
Someone would very quickly create comfortable bras lol
Load More Replies...My boyfriend needs a bra! He's 300lbs. I love him no matter his appearance, but for his health! His boobs hurt him sometimes.
Genuinely curious, have you expressed that to him? Did he have a negative reaction? I dated a women with unbelievably giant boobs who didn't wear bras ever, but always complained about her back hurting and loved the stares and attention she got from strangers, i.e. dirt bags mostly, and took it very offensively when I asked if a bra would help. I loved her alot, not for why you're likely assuming, but eventually got tired of her flashing random men and encouraged groping from groups of people. Ultimately, it's where she drew self confidence and felt it was what made people like her 🙄
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At my school the women get free gym locker locks and the men have to pay for theirs. As a female it infuriates me.
Been the case for as long as I remember. Which is a long time. Rational had something to do w/need to store feminine products
Load More Replies...My athletic club charges $175/month to maintain your own personal locker. You can rent one out for $10/day, which can be much cheaper depending how often you go. However, they’re not as nice as personal lockers and some days they’re all rented out. It’s just easier to pay the monthly fee, and given the monthly dues, it seems comparatively reasonable.
Load More Replies...This is bizarre! I've never heard of that...that's very fecked up!
My school everyone got a free lock. You only had to pay if you didn’t turn it back in at the end of the year.
I feel like pissing outside is socially more accepted if it's someone with a penis. I mean it's not legal for any human but I see them standing right by the road and pissing a lot more than I see people squatting and doing it.
I think part of this comes from the fact that if you have a penis, you can pee without completely exposing your butt, so it’s more “discreet”. Still gross, though. Edit: Also amazed that BP’s autocensor isn’t hiding “penis”.
HOW WAS THAT NOT CENSORED?!?! QUICK GO GET A LOTTERY TICKET
Load More Replies...It's much EASIER if you can hose it out though... I have to admit... just... general physics of the thing.
Once opened my front door to a kid from the local high school pissing on my lawn. Was going to take a picture to send to the police but then thought he was probably under the age of 18 and I'd get in trouble because he was a minor. So I ended up saying "You have to be kidding me?" VIle kid just stared at me.
When I was in college, very SW Texas and a college where Redeo was a PE course. A couple I knew were having a fight and the male got out of the pickup and was peeing facing the truck, his GF pulled down the road from him; and left him with his penis in his hand and not being able to cover up till he was finished. He just kind of stood there and waved at people going by, most of whom were honking at him.
Makes me think of working on a golf course as a kid. At the time there was a popular novelty called a "shenis" that female golfers were using. Basically an inverted funnel so they could pee without taking off their clothes. If we saw anyone peeing in public, they were asked to leave. It was annoying that we had to pay more attention, especially since there were washrooms every 3 holes. Also, this was before hand sanitizer was popular, so that was also gross.
Being hairy. Eating a lot.
As a woman who loves her food and only shaves/waxes in summer, people need to mind their own business.
Who tells men to shave their legs, armpits or pubic hair? Completely unthinkable to have a stray hair on the chin!
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Hugging or sleepovers or staying together, if a boy does this he will be framed as " gay ".
Most genuine thing I have ever seen, happened a while back. My son's wrestling team had their end of year party and camp with the coach night. All the boys decided they didn't want to camp because it started raining, all but one who was a senior and wanted to stay -the look in his face 😞. My son asked the senior if he would like to come home to our house, they could play video games, get some pizza, and just hang out. The senior accepted and the boys had a great time. Thing is, the senior and my son didn't really like each other at all, they were direct competitors in weight class, and to this day aren't friends, but on that night, they were brothers, and they keep in touch.
Who cares if people think you are gay? Stop thinking what others think about you and live your life as you like it.
Since when? That’s all we did in the Midwest for fun. My friends hugged not constantly but appropriate moments.
Visible toes at a formal event.
As someone with an awful phobia of feet....I wish it wasn't acceptable for anyone to do this lol
That sounds rather limiting... Have you considered therapy?
Load More Replies...Add tank tops. I'm a teacher, and the gender divide on dress is really apparent. One school I worked at required more formal-ish attire. For guys, that meant a button-down shirt, tie, slacks, and dress shoes. For women? Frankly, it was more about fabric and tightness, as far as I could see. Some of my female colleagues were wearing what amounts to a tank top, shorts, and sandals. In the summer, I was enormously jealous.
That's because mens footware with open toes are casual, like sandals. Show me a formal mens shoe with an open toe.
I think this is because women have fancy shoes with open toes and men don't have an "open toe formal" option
Load More Replies...That’s exactly the point of this post! It’s ok for women but not men
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Being bald by choice.
Is this a thing though? I'm ready to be corrected, but I thought people who shaved their heads were going bald anyway and just embracing it.
My partner shaved his head to support his mum who sadly had stage 4 cancer and she had started to lose her hair. Sadly we lost her the other day, she put up one hell of a fight.
Load More Replies...It's socially acceptable for women to bash men in general and socially unacceptable for men to bash women in general. When women do it, it's brushed off because 'men must hurt her' or she's just brave and empowered. When men do it it's because they can't get laid and are incels. When in reality, both are pretty miserable and wrong.
But....consider the context. Women complain about men because they're marginalized by them men complain about women because they're not worshipped and/or obeyed.
When I hear either gender bash the another gender, It always sounds stupid and ignorant to me! “ All women are like this!” “ All men are like that!” No, they’re not! Just sounds stupid to me.
It's not about the complaining: it's about what they're complaining about.
Please explain. Are you saying one gender's complaints are valid and the other one's aren't?
Load More Replies...Growing up in a house with a buttload of sisters, yeah. "Men are pigs" attitudes. Meanwhile, every single one of my sisters only ever dated hot dudes. Not one of them went for the emotionally available honest nerdy dudes who asked them out. Every time they went for a guy who treated them s****y and usually cheated on them or had massive mommy issues. I mean, the men of the area generally did suck, but the vanity definitely went both ways. None of them made an effort to find a quality guy. 1/5 did eventually find a guy who was quality and hot, but it took a lot of looking. The other 4/5 are just single and unhappy about it. And the quality dudes are all happily married now. They all missed their chance
They both need to be unacceptable now. It's got to start somewhere
i guess the men just have to take it with a grain of salt...and their higher incomes and all the other advantages they have enjoyed for millenia...especially if they are white men
Apparently it's more socially acceptable for a female to sleep with an underage boy, than a male sleeping with an underage girl. Both are terrible.
The only ones that "think" adult women sleeping with boys is okay are adult males expressing their sick sexual fantasies.
I don't know anyone who would find it acceptable no matter the gender. Keep your freaking paws off the young ones.
Isn't it often the case that underage girls are married to older men?
I don't know why, both examples give me the creeps. I can't think of many people that wouldn't find it disgusting except for maybe someone who is living out a high-school fantasy through the victim....You always here "Oh where were the teaches like that when I was in school!" Really!? You wish you had been abused and taken advantage of by some creepy pervert?
Unless that man is a pastor at a church. Then it's okay for him to admit being a pedophile years after the statute of limitations is up. https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/lawyer-for-texas-megachurch-pastor-robert-morris-blamed-12-year-old-girl-for-inappropriate-sexual-contact/ Dude came clean 40 years later and "got counselling" so it's okay. There should be no statute of limitations for a 20 year old man raping a 12 year old girl. That scumbag needs to die in jail
Not only did he get away with it, but he blamed the girl...
Load More Replies...Same issue of the Houston paper: Man, 35, gets 20 years for sex a couple of times with an 18-year-old girl student. Woman teacher has a months-long affair with a 14-year-old boy and gets 5 years probation.
Compliments.
Compliments should always be given in moments of sincerity. It’s the only time I’m able to them without feeling cringy. Don’t find a reason to compliment someone like icebreakers or stupid games in business and their places. I can always tell when there’s feeling or sincerity in forced compliments. Random sincere compliments in the moment is the way to go.
Women adoring infants and babies. If a man does it, he’s a creep/weirdo.
Conversely, a woman not adoring babies and infants is considered weird. (I fit this category, everyone thinks I'm strange. A kitten or a puppy on the other hand ...)
Yep. Cats over children any day. Or dogs over annoying little financial drains, however ya wanna say it. That's why I'm childfree.
Load More Replies...Also women not adoring infants and babies. Everyone looks at you like "what's wrong with you"
This just happened to my partner and me yesterday. I was cooing at a baby, no issues, my partner looks in after I'm like look at the baby and gets glares.
Actually, it has always been something that made a man more attractive to me...
Apparently freaking harassment. Straight ladies. Just because I’m a lesbian does NOT mean you get to touch me and follow me around all night. If a man did it he’d be shamed. Also, stop harassing men too. We get it. They have pecks and arms. Stop touching! Many times this has happened at a bar 😐.
Especially at queer bars, where we’re novelties to platonically fetishize or accessorize by basic bitches in their “F Me Pumps:” It’s gotten so out of hand that queer spaces the planet over have had to ban or minimize straight girl groups & their hen/bridal parties. And not because of their obnoxious “look at me; pick me” and “you’re my new GBF” ego-stroking garbage, but mostly because they can’t keep their hand off of us. Particularly our pecs, a*s & crotch. I imagine it’s just as bad for all my scissor sisters out there, too. Our spaces have to become members only spaces, which inhibits inclusion for even members of our own community, so these spaces aren’t overwhelmed with “rubberneckers” who have decided we don’t deserve body autonomy simply because they also assume we’re not a sexual threat. Or they get off baiting lesbians. It’s like they assume sexuality isn’t a spectrum and some of these guys might actually be bi. Or the exact opposite & can’t accept some of these gay gals have no problem flipping a little breeder girl.
You know what else, I have an amazing friend, she's a lesbian, no I do not think she wants to jump me, it's insane to me the amount of straight female friends that avoid her, that's so sad and hurtful to her, she laughs it off but it must really suck
Seriously, stop touching us. I'm gay and don't want random women grabbing my arms/pecs/a*s/penis. Just freaking stop thinking it's in any way acceptable for you to just grab us and then expect us to think it's a compliment. I am seriously at the point where the next time a woman grabs me without permission, I'm gonna slap a b***h. By the way, gay and straight men at gay or straight bars do NOT do this. It's just the straight chicks that have issues...
For women: promiscuity is scrutinized, but less so in men. For men: weakness (both physical or psychological) is scrutinized but less so in women.
This is why it’s “not okay for men to cry”
And it’s “not okay for women to sleep around”.
Maybe a minority opinion but, I personally feel if it's 2 consenting single adults, being careful and no ones getting hurt, is there really a problem with it, for a man or a woman?
This is hugely true. I remember I had a chad himbo roommate once who came home literally crowing about how he had sex with 5 different women (at different times) over the course of a party. Other dudes were high-fiving him. The women were referred to as sluts, but he was a champion. Also, his name actually was Chad
Care to elaborate? I understood it. What part was confusing?
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Going to a Disney movie alone as an adult.
Going to a restaurant as a single middle aged woman. I get ignored. Go with another woman, we get ignored. Go with a man, he look, there is a waitstaff here. Not every time, but I can name three chain restaurants I’ve been to where the female server will blow me off. Oh and how is somehow “sad” for a woman to go to the movies or a restaurant alone.
Not really, at least from what I've seen, it's not really socially unacceptable to either gender
I do too. It's easier to keep the characters apart if they are a blur cat and a green dog than if they are generic blonde 1 and 2 and generic tough guy 1 and 2.
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Holding hands.
The ones attached to the arms. Stay away from any other ones.
Load More Replies...Taking your shirt off when it's hot. Guys can, women cannot.
A lot of those guys shouldn't do it, and it isn't any cooler in warm weather.
Uh, I don't know where you are getting it's not more comfortable from. It's 95+ here every day and if I work outside, the shirt becomes wet and sticks to me and gross and when I take my shirt off it's SO MUCH better. The wind and the fact you don't have a wet, sweaty, warm shirt sticking to you is MILES better. I feel like this was said by someone who's never tried taking their shirt off before lol. Seriously, the breeze alone makes it worth it.
Load More Replies...When I was a kid, wearing "speedo" style swimsuits was the norm for males. Wear that now, and you'll get harassed. Males are forced to wear burqa shorts or they'll be accused/assumed of impropriety.
Ditto. Grew up in the 80's where we had variety. From the old "clam diggers" they were called that almost came down to the ankle to little board shorts for surfing with a 3" hem we could wear whatever. Now it's all huge balloon shorts past the knee where everything feels like a skirt with too much fabric is what's in style. Luckily amazon has the old 80's shorter board short still and I don't care.
Load More Replies...Everyone should be free to do it if they want to. People should mind their own business.
The post is not about legality but about social norms. Farting in an elevator isn't illegal either.
Load More Replies...One can hit the other and feel entitled to not receive retribution. And, society backs this up.
This! As a woman, I agree. Women shouldn't hit a man and not expect to be hit back. Don't tell me about the strength difference between genders, I know but this is about equality. If you resort to violence, you're allowing the other side to do the same to you, no matter who you are. If you don't want a man to hit you, don't start a fight to begin with.
The only person who’s ever punched me was my ex-wife, and I’ve never punched anyone. Violence has no place in my life.
A punch does more damage than people think. If you're unlucky, you could die before you hit the ground, and if you're a bit less unlucky, you'll hit your head as you hit the ground. A woman is capable to do a lot of damage to a man too if she hits in a bad place. Just stop fighting.
Not everything needs to be political. And also, this kind of thing happens all over the world not just the US.
Load More Replies...Having fun with your children in public. This one badly needs to change.
Seeing a father interacting warmly with his child actually makes him more attractive to women. This is not the case with women, it is seen as the norm.
In every country in the western world it's socially acceptable to amputate normal, functional, and beneficial tissue from the genitals of newborn boys without their consent, whereas doing that to girls in most western countries is illegal (and rightly so).
Well, that's because female circumcision is cutting off the clitoris and/or sewing them almost shut so sex isn't pleasurable because for women sex "shouldn't be pleasurable but for procreation". That being said, I personally think circumcising baby boys has become normalized when maybe it shouldn't. Foreskin is there for a reason. Unless if I'm missing something. There's a circumcision joke there somewhere.
Actually, removing the foreskin cuts a male's ability to feel pleasure almost in half. Not to mention the potential of scar tissue development, decreasing sensitivity even further. The foreskin has many sensitive nerve endings that enhances pleasure for males that have them. That was rather the point of the practice in the first place. It was meant to keep boys from masturbating. Both types of genital mutilation are meant to rob the individual of sexual pleasure later in life. Men only got "lucky" because there's only so much they could mutilate before it would become non-functional. They could mutilate women more, so they did.
Load More Replies...Echoing what Helena already said; these two things are in NO WAY equivalent!
While I disagree with male circumcision, it is far from harmful in any way. Female circumcision however... They remove your entire clitoris. Oftentimes, they cut off the inner labia, and sew you shut. This makes even menstruation extremely difficult and unhygienic. If ever decide (or are forced) to have sex, the opening to your vagina will be so small it will be unimaginably painful. this procedure is not usually done as a baby, but as a child or young woman. You will remember it. It isn't performed by a person with medical knowledge of any sort, and usually in completely unsanitary conditions. Not comparable at all.
The male equivalent to female genital mutilation would be removing the entire penis. And in some countries, chopping off half the ring finger as well... wìthout anaesthetic.
What western world are you talking about? In Sweden, it is not okay so keep your "every country" bs to yourself.
I don't understand it, 2 of my boys got circumcised, for medical reasons, and the pain they were in, they were young maybe 5 or 6, I'd just hold them, crying myself because I couldn't help them, as a mum, I don't know how you could choose to put your child through that much pain, why is it not classed as abuse, it's horrendous
Wearing shorts so short that a*s cheeks are hanging out is fine for women but not men.
Agreed. May as well not wear pants if you can see a*s cheek
Load More Replies...I’d love to see the reaction it the male Olympic gymnasts wore outfits similar to their female counterparts, although that might make the point that the women could wear something less revealing.
Anyone who has a "problem" with this has emotional issues. Tell me what clothes you were born with when you came out of your mom's body. The only inappropriate clothes are ones that will get you killed (e.g. shorts and t-shirt in -30C or a winter coat in +30C).
Thank you. At least someone here is looking at this in a sensible, logical way. If seeing someone's body (any part) disturbs you. That's your own hang up (granted it's likely deep-rooted in most people due to scocietal norms). These are the bodies we were born with. There is nothing "wrong" with any of them. If you see nudity as inherently sexual, perhaps you should be asking yourself why it is you feel that way.
Load More Replies...Probably also a matter of fashion and time, I think. I remember pictures from the 70s/80s when my dad wore damn short soccer shorts and speedos at the pool till the 2010s.
You should Google sports and running short in the 1970s or 1980s and tell me what those guys are wearing lol. Also in the 1970s it was to wear cut off jean shorts and I’ve seen several examples and those were daisy duke grade lol. Like Johnny Depps midfrift shirt in Nightmare in Elm Street. Give it time they’ll be back.
As I've said before in relation to other subjects (notably racism and intolerance), reading a lot of science fiction starting at an early age can do a lot to help develop a better outlook on things like this. Of course, not all science fiction is created equal...
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I have risen beyond societies petty beliefs of gender conformity. I have become all powerful, unstoppable. I have no gender. I do not bow to stereotypes. I am Legion!!!
As I've said before in relation to other subjects (notably racism and intolerance), reading a lot of science fiction starting at an early age can do a lot to help develop a better outlook on things like this. Of course, not all science fiction is created equal...
Load More Replies...It's kind of disheartening to see the contentiousness in the comments. Like a tug of war for who has it worst.
I have risen beyond societies petty beliefs of gender conformity. I have become all powerful, unstoppable. I have no gender. I do not bow to stereotypes. I am Legion!!!
