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“I Just Said Thank You And Left”: Man’s Nice Gesture Is Praised After Pizza Hut Driver Got A $20 Tip On A $938 Order
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In the United States today, there’s an expectation to leave a generous tip regardless of the service. However, this usually baffles outsiders. Why do so many American workers heavily rely on tips instead of getting a steady, livable wage paid by the establishment? Call it a systematic practice or the backbone of the service culture, it’s still an unsolved mystery many of us cannot wrap our heads around.
But while businesses offload the burden of giving workers a fair paycheck to the customers, employees are often the ones who pay the price. And a recent post on the Anti Work subreddit is a perfect example of how big of a toll this approach has on them. Redditor ShaolinJohn, who works security at an office in Dallas, Texas, opened up about an encounter with a struggling Pizza Hut delivery driver he had a few nights ago.
You see, the worker couldn’t hold back her excitement about a giant $938 order she was about to deliver and the tip that would possibly follow. “It’s hard out there,” the mother-of-two told the user as she carried dozens of boxes onto the elevator. But when she came down, both her excitement and hopes of putting some extra cash in her pocket were gone. Read on for the story and the heated discussion that followed, and be sure to share your own takes on the tipping conundrum in the comments.
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After feeling her disappointment, the author of the story decided to lend a helping hand
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Bored Panda reached out to ShaolinJohn who was kind enough to answer some of our questions about the incident. The user explained that he shared the story on the Anti Work subreddit because he knows it to be a place “for shining lights on the injustices of the current state of how workers are treated.”
“I was pretty shocked at how quickly it happened to blow up,” he told us. “I also didn’t realize how much of a hot button topic tipping is.” ShaolinJohn pointed out that the main reason this post resonated with many customers and employees is simply that “the service industry is enormous. Everyone is a customer to something related to the service industry.”
When asked about the tipping culture in the US, the user told us, “[It] is one of the biggest scams against low-wage workers in the country. It’s exploitative and is only kept in place by companies as a way to keep labor costs way down by having the customer be the primary source of a worker’s income.” But the problem is, ShaolinJohn noted, tipping isn’t mandatory. “The worker is reliant on the customer feeling generous at that moment. There is no feeling of security as you never know what the whims of a customer are going to be.”
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While 15% to 20% is a typical tip for servers and bartenders (although now 25% might be the new 20%), there is quite a debate as to the appropriate amount of gratitude to a delivery driver. Brett Helling, founder of Ridester, stated that tipping the driver varies widely depending on the items you’re ordering, the platform you’re using, and what happens during the delivery.
But here’s the thing — most drivers’ wages are very much dependent on tips. “[Drivers] are often classified as self-employed, they’re responsible for all their own expenses, sometimes while just making or making under their local minimum hourly wage before gratuity,” Helling wrote. “Due to this, standard tipping etiquette calls for you to tip at least 15% — just as you would a traditional pizza delivery driver, a restaurant server, or even a Lyft or Uber driver.”
Later on, the user added some more information and clarified a few details in the post
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ShaolinJohn revealed that he worked as a waiter for a few years before entering the workforce. “So, I understand the plight of the people in the service industry. This means I don’t have a problem leaving a good tip regardless of service. Fantastic service gets even more from me.” Unfortunately, the user pointed out that there will always be people who don’t believe in tipping “or don’t know that a waiter at a restaurant is only making $2.13 an hour and really needs the tips to get by.”
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With inflation hitting a 40-year high and pinching their pockets, signs that Americans will become better tippers are slightly fading. According to a recent survey of 2,610 adults conducted by CreditCards.com, the number of people who always tip fell from 77% in 2019 to 73% in 2022. Moreover, 4% said they never tip. “Inflation is cutting into consumers’ purchasing power and a tight labor market has left many service industry businesses understaffed and struggling to provide top-notch customer experiences,” said senior industry analyst Ted Rossman. He added that the promise one-third of Americans made to be better tippers in 2021 has apparently worn off.
We were curious to hear ShaolinJohn’s take on what could be done to change this tipping practice to favor the workers and make them feel safer about their income. He told us, “Ideally, the whole system of tipping would be tossed out because companies would pay their workers a livable wage. Or maybe a step before that dramatic change would be for companies to add automatic gratuity onto the bills.”
When it comes to the delivery business, he explained that companies should stop pocketing the ‘delivery fee’ and actually give it to the driver. “I know that one causes a lot of delivery drivers to lose out on tips because people think the delivery fee is for the driver but it’s not,” the user said.
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“Even though tipping culture is a scam, until a drastic and immediate change is able to happen, tip your service industry workers. And for those people that justify not tipping because ‘they should just go get a better job,’ stay home and cook for yourself or go pick up your own food instead of having it delivered. Some people have to take [low-paying] jobs due to circumstances we have no idea about. That doesn’t mean they don’t deserve to earn a living. Even if it is based on our tips,” ShaolinJohn concluded.
The story has caused quite the stir in the Anti Work community, here’s what people had to say
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ggus44 3 years ago
Same old BS tip culture. Hey America, it's time to learn something from some 3rd world countries. Just f*****g pay the employees the decent money they deserve so they don't rely on tips. Plus, this customer is not the a-hole just because they didn't tip $160!
Disgruntled Pelican 3 years ago
We don't even let women have a say in what happens to their bodies. What makes you think we'll pay any employee a decent wage? The American dream has been reduced to being alive from one day to the next.
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Magnus Eklund 3 years ago
Henceforth it shall be called DSA. Depressive States of America. Hugs to all the women getting screwed over by their own country. Supposedly a country of religious freedom so why is religion controlling it?
John Hackley 3 years ago (edited)
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Huh? I guess you're referring to the practice of killing our babies? Why would you think that allowing each state to make their own rules and regulations around baby killing means the Bible thumpers are now running the country? Are you totally incapable of rational thought?
Beowulf Norther 2 years ago
@ John Hackley calling it baby killing is a fringe religious stance, they aren't remotely a person when aborted. And your own religious text isn't remotely anti abortion, which was definitely a thing back then. It's from ONE line about the fine payed for injuring a pregnant woman, but they'll be executed if she dies.. specifically showing it doesn't consider the miscarriage a death. Catholics literally only became rabidly anti abortion a few decades ago and changed rhetoric. Even if you're a religious zealot who ignores science, facts, history and anything that challenges your limited worldview, don't go full flat earther with your blind nonsense. It's a basic liberty to allow women that right. The only people against it are coming from a religious stance..which the state has zero right enforcing and is a basic freedom granted by the constitution. If pork was banned, or hijabs were enforced youd throw a fit, or if they banned psychiatry for scientology, or any other cult besides yo
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh they don't agree with me, they must be *The Left!*"
Brenda Bunnell 2 years ago
It's a cheap shot to steer the whole conversation away from the topic and into politics. Also annoying to those of us who actually want to stay on topic.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago (edited)
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Good point. Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh what do you expect from a country that doesn't allow women to kill their babies, I mean having a say in what happens to their bodies. Yeah that's what I meant. And as Dave Chapelle says, "If you can kill this MFer, I can at least abandon him."
Mokayokok 3 years ago
I don't even think it should be on a State to State basis. If you're not a woman then really you shouldn't have any type of say on the matter if you're in any type of government office. It's none of your damn business what I do with my body and unless your a*s is going to carry this child you need to keep moving. I shouldn't have to come up with some valid excuse while begging to have the right to make decisions over MY OWN BODY. (That rant wasn't aimed at you, Joe Dirt - I'm speaking in general)
PKMN Trainer Devention 2 years ago
Not a woman, but very much have the ability to carry children. Reducing it to "only women get an opinion" isn't helpful.
Yehoshua Friedman 2 years ago
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The men should have to carry more responsibility for what they do to women. Women should also avoid sexual activity when they have not used means of prevention.
James McLeod 2 years ago
You state that the men should have to carry more responsibility yet you think that only the women should have to be celibate - it's NOT her choice so why is it HER responsibility? Unlike far too many men she doesn't have the option of bailing if she gets pregnant, she used to have the ability to make a very difficult choice to go through a medical procedure which can have serious physical and emotional ramifications for some women plus having to deal with the stigma and demonization by fundamentalists that don't understand their own Bibles but even that right has been taken. And most men will never even consider a vasectomy despite the fact that unlike a hysterectomy it's reversible so why is the burden all on her? Why shouldn't men who won't be responsible in any way, during sex or after it, be celibate too?
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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I agree, control your own body and pay your own way to do so. Don't expect someone to pay for it. With us thinking men can take a pill, have an operation and become a woman, if he feels like, we can no longer deny them to comment on this. F***d up but we can't have it both ways.
Amy Heller 1 year ago
Men can take birth control pills, but refused to because of the side effects. The same side effects that women deal with all the time. So, it's pretty obvious that the men are the problem.
James McLeod 2 years ago
So just ignore the fact that even after the hormones and surgery they'll never be able to carry a pregnancy? Men should have a say in what happens to women's bodies because they can become sterile women who will never understand or experience pregnancy themselves?
Unpopular opinions 2 years ago
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Problem is, it’s not your body. A basic science class would teach you this.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago
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Ok, then men should not have to support places that kill and then sell your dead baby parts, like Planned Parenthood, with our taxes. That's what you're saying right?
Darth Digital 2 years ago
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No one cares about your dirty body. The concern is for the unborn baby who has every right to be where it is. You don’t get to play god and kill another innocent body. Don’t act like a ho and it won’t be a problem.
Munchma Quchi 2 years ago
What kind of anti-American, authoritarian b******t do you believe in?? It should be the individual's choice, not the state's, asshat.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago
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States rights doesn't make it a True democracy. I know this is old news to most but obviously not all. This country is not, never was, and the Constitution never claims it to be a democracy. It's a republic; that's regardless of state's rights or centralized power. And this is not a social issue to many people. It is a crime of murder. You may disagree with that, but it's only a social issue to those that want to do it. I agree, though, regarding things like marriage/divorce, and other such matters, that the government should stay out of it. And if it's not going to be illegal to kill babies, it should at least be a state by state choice.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Feel free to apply for citizenship to your choice of better country. It's only about $120. Small price to get out of the terrible country here. I know you'll love it wherever you go and they will love you,your feelings, opinions,etc.,
June Miller 2 years ago
FYI, there are many countries out there which are better, and you don't get to choose to live in them that easily. So many countries which actually ARE democracies, as opposed to claiming to be, and which have decent health care, education, housing, wage structures, infrastructure and respected police forces
A Random Anvil 3 years ago (edited)
Many people cannot even afford that. Plus extra costs for travel and intake. Why is this even a valid response to people saying that things need to improve?
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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So? If folks are so unhappy, then they should seek better. The founders did. Let your feet do the walking. They can save up the $2500 (it is not $12K; stop with the false info)
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
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I hear Iraq, Iran , especially Turkey and Syria are real good southern Africa maybe, let them please go
Tam StaR 3 years ago
Agree, but this point isn't to get fired up at the person ordering for not tipping because it seems like an easier target. If anything this should get you more fired up about working wages and the other things going backwards in this jacked up country from women's rights to healthcare. I'm just waiting for slavery to make a comeback.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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Slavery is low information folks not understanding and the talking heads telling you how to think. We have choices in this country and anyone, yes ANYONE can CHOOSE to change their station in life by their CHOICES
June Miller 2 years ago
Yes, choices matter, but what about people who are in no position to make choices? The US is a country which takes away choice, by having oppressive policing, terrible health system, ridiculous education costs, almost non-existent wage regulations, etc.
James McLeod 2 years ago
It never really left, they just changed the rules. Now you have to become an inmate at a penitentiary to lose your personal autonomy but countless people are wrongfully convicted every year. That and now only states and private corporations that run prisons for states can become slave owners, not private citizens technically.
Brian G. 3 years ago (edited)
Slavery?? WTF! I bet you think slaves just appeared at the American white man's feet,huh. You want the ones who built slavery to pay. ..let's go there. Slave ships carrying slaves were of European origin and they sailed to many countries selling slaves. But,they didn't just Alacazam these slaves to existence!!! They bought them from their African Tribes whom practiced in selling their weak,lame,whatever tribes people they felt weren't what they wanted to these slaves ships!!! So,these people need to go back and ask repreations and sorry from their own people!! They got paid selling you. That's right,lets go to the source if your truly interested in your history. Or let me guess,you may even think 12 people on ship went and stole them against large,fearce,head hunting tribes. That makes sense,huh!! Your people sold you to Europeans,and America wasn't their only stop. So take complaints to the proper people, your own in the motherland. Because no American alive today owned slaves and pretty sure none of you now living were owned. Can't move forward if keep looking back. Do you even know your enslaved ancestors names or is this just your crutch to fall back on! If you truly care and are upset then go to the Real Starters of Slavery! The tribes who sold their own people! Americans wouldn't have had anyone to buy if they hadn't created the market-and remember, those ships didn't only come here
Venetia The Poet 2 years ago
You are forgetting about tribes who were murdered for their people or those who were going about their business who were murdered or made slaves, sent to another country, restricted to ghettos their land confiscated like the USA, South Africa. , Canada, and all of central and south America. You whites live on stolen lands that were built by PoC.
Bri Lancaster 3 years ago
How interesting, I didn't know slaves were sold by their own people.
James McLeod 2 years ago
That's cuz only some of them were. The reason so many black people are ripped is because slave owners selectively bred generations of slaves to be strong sturdy workers in the fields - between that and the fact that no one looking to buy someone else to do their labor the idea that these people were the sick, weak, and expendable of the tribes is obvious nonsense - no one is going to spend good money on someone else's throwaways. This is some guy trying to make it seem like white people don't carry any responsibility for the injustices that still carry on today.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
Most folks want to ignore this; most slaves were put into slavery by THEIR OWN people. Pick a country or any period in history and you will see some enslaved folks by their people or if their country was conquered. The spoils of war.
Stargazer66 2 years ago (edited)
@Lee Sanyos And the Europeans simply exploited it and made it a market. Before Slavery was simply a spoils of war, meaning the losing faction became slaves. But none of it excuses the European exploitation or the fact that the US condoned slavery for more than 200 years and the fact that systemic racism was built into the government and institutions thanks to Jim Crow laws after the Civil War.
Steve Smith 3 years ago
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If you don't like it, then move to a country that is more to your liking. Never understand people who prefer to sit and whine vs changing their situation.
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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Moving to other countries is not easy, not even close, so that is a stupid thing to say.
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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My reply was meant for @Steve Smith. The one who put the simplest minded, ignorant comment.
David Kramer 3 years ago
We will change it, Steve, by changing the system here. If you think leaving is the only option, then go, we won't miss you
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
Well with that mentality, we'd never have had emancipation (though not true freedom yet), women's rights, gay marriage and we'd still be sending little kids to the mines. Perhaps that's what you want.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
why dont you all go on strike? not only servers but also customers to support them?
Dawn Harris 2 years ago
Only 1, I don't think she got the job though. I could be wrong about that
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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Yep. Because that is a public health issue.
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
But individuals can choose to protect themselves by practicing social distancing
June Miller 2 years ago
The only social distancing which could protect as well as the vaccine would be total isolation, and there are not many people who live alone are grow all their own food!
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
What a silly thing to say. It's not even the same. Vaccines stop life-threatening infectious diseases, you don't have a right to spread them.
Stargazer66 2 years ago
No one was ever forced to get the vaccine. There have always been options. Wear a mask and test. Find another job.
Joe Dirt 3 years ago (edited)
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Funny the hypocrites of the democrat party want abortion rights but they don't want you to have a choice in regards to a b.s. vaccine, one proven to not even be effective in the first place. Typical hypocrisy from the commie left.
Kaiti Yoder 3 years ago
You mean the vaccine that can have an effect on whether you spread a disease to multiple other people vs an abortion that has zero effect on the population around you? Ah yes so hypocritical.
Hugo Santos 3 years ago
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Zero effect on the people "around" you, but fully effective on the person INSIDE you. My body my choice? It's not YOUR body. A baby is not a parasite you can just get rid of...
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
Until it's a pregnancy outside the womb where it literally becomes a parasite that will kill you .. read something jesus
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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Umm, my mother n law got the vaccine when it *first* came out & last year.... after Christmas she was sick & then all of us got sick. My body, *my* choice!!
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
Do you understand why?? That happen?? Because people refused to vaccinate and the disease evolution over and over it continues to this day to have space to grow and chance this the continue spread of COVID.. ummmm let's read instead of ummmm spreading dumb a*s bs lies about why COVID continue to spread ... Didn't anyone take high school science!
girlsrock4ever 3 years ago
All the anti-vaxxers are probably homeschooled (no hate to other homeschoolers). Their high-school science was probably just that.
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
Most people who were hospitalized didn’t get the vaccine. But some had it. Most people hospitalized were not wearing masks. But some were. 100% of people who even got infected weren’t practicing social distancing. Vaccination and masking to social distancing is just like a contraceptive to abstinence. The former is mostly effective but the latter is 100% effective, while the former encourages more risky behavior
June Miller 2 years ago
It is impossible to practice social distancing 100%, unless you live alone, never leave your property, grow all your own food and are completely self-sufficient!
James McLeod 2 years ago
There was a massive upside though, although not enough to save the country. Although antivaxxers come from all kinds of backgrounds the refusal to wear masks, socially distance, believe in science or doctors, or practice the slightest bit of responsibility was almost entirely a 'red' stance with the greatest impacts in red states. Any loss of life is tragic but if I had to choose a hundred thousand Americans who wouldn't see their next birthdays the best possible outcome for America is for those hundred thousand to be Republicans.
Y.T. 3 years ago
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Ummm, did dr fauci tell you this? Because he's also full of sh*t, just as you are. And I'm pretty sure the "vaccine" that was supposed to PREVENT everyone from getting covid did not do that whatsoever. And people who got their 15 shots still got sick with covid including 'the big guy'. So spare me your bullsh*t, and instead of blaming people who were clearly smarter than you by skipping this/these shots, (since they clearly didn't really work as advertised), blame the sorry a*s pharmaceutical companies that promised you the world, made billions upon billions in profits, but didn't really deliver as promised. P. S. Don't forget to double mask before going to bed
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
You didn’t get it because you socially distanced. The very thing most people forgot about as soon as everyone started wearing masks
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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Not lying. Just stating facts. Also; might want to change your username . You are anything, but a "doctor". 🙄
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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One last thing. You make NO sense. I read & reread your comment & still don't know where you coming from. I was just stating that the vaccine doesn't protect you. If you get sick (even after vaccination) the to people AROUND you can, get sick.
spirals 73 2 years ago
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We certainly let them have a say in what happens to the bodies they're carrying. We as American women have rights WE SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE. Also this is a straw man argument. It's got zip to do with tipping.
Darth Digital 2 years ago
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No one gives a damn about your body and what you do with it. But if you act like a ho and spread your legs carelessly and find yourself pregnant, it’s no longer just YOUR body and you have no right to kill that innocent human life who has **every right** to be where it is. If you can’t deal with the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Sarah Chambers 2 years ago
If you are seriously thinking the only reason for abortions are women who spread their legs then stop talking. It takes two people to make a baby and I’m so tired of people with your mentality blaming it all on the woman. She didn’t impregnate herself. Also, people who get abortions don’t just use them as birth control. You guys believe only one thing about abortions and the people who get them and the reason behind them and you refuse to see anything from a different point of view.
June Miller 2 years ago
So true! Men shouldn't even be giving an opinion on this issue. But I guess people like Darth Digital are okay with men who rape, but want to penalise the victim. Not to mention they don't care what sort of life situation they are wishing these poor potential kids into.
James McLeod 2 years ago
Exactly, cuz Republicans are only pro-life until the moment of birth, after that death is your duty as an American. Cuz the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are only a minor consideration that take a backseat to the 2nd amendment and are only 'rights' if you can afford them - which they will not assist you with in any way. Can't afford to live cuz you can't buy food or afford your necessary medication then that's just too bad. Don't know if you'll survive the day in elementary school cuz some teacher told some kid something he didn't want to hear and he might show up with an AR-13, that's the price you pay to live in a 'pro-life' society.
Steve Smith 3 years ago (edited)
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Don't exaggerate, posting hysterical claims helps no one. And BTW, where was your "say in what happens to their bodies" mantra when folks were objecting to getting the vaccine!? A little hypocritical of you don't you think? "Oh, but that was different, that affected other people". But killing an unborn baby doesn't!? So much hypocrisy. Funny thing, I'm for Women having Safe Access to abortions. But you lose me at Partial-Term abortions... that's just sick.
John Maloney 3 years ago
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Let me kill my baby ! This has nothing to do with the story.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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You do know that you can apply for citizenship to one of the 3rd world countries he mentioned,don't you? I bet you'll love the ways their since ours are terrible here! I'm positive your feelings and views will be welcomed and fulfilled. I want to see you get your wish so much,I will personally pay your citizenship fees and 1 way flight there
hugh janus 3 years ago
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We dont let women murder humans unless they have a good reason* there I fixed it for u.
Philip Williams 3 years ago
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What happens to their bodies, like the right to kill their own children as often as they wish at taxpayers expense because of their right not to use contraceptives during recreational sex? I can see how this ties in brilliantly with people not tipping sometimes at your job. Mind blown, world view changed. I'm being sarcastic
Bland Voice 3 years ago
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Isn't Genital mutilation of boys still prevalent in America, you don't even let boys and men have a say in what happens to their bodies.
Sarah Whylly 3 years ago
Pretty sure that this is up to the parents and the trend now is away from circumcision. The sense of it is that we shouldn't do that to men without their consent which I wholeheartedly endorse. Women should also be allowed this kind of autonomy.
PKMN Trainer Devention 2 years ago
The point is that they can't consent to a procedure that can cause significant harm if done incorrectly and provides absolutely no benefit in countries with developed sanitary infrastructure.
C King 3 years ago
Have you actually heard a newborn baby boy cry from having a circumcision? I have, and it was the most awful scream I've ever heard produced from a humans mouth. That baby was my son and if I'm fortunate to have another one, it won't happen again. He was just born and my wife and myself made a decision that brought pain on to him. Now take that pain, and multiply infinitely, I believe you have almost every woman burdened with the choice, their choice mind you, about aborting a child.
Joe Dirt 3 years ago (edited)
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G Kionik, I agree the liberal left demonizes men in many ways like for instance "toxic masculinity" which is very sexist. See people do not really see how often woman are also very sexist towards men if not more often than the other way around.
Van Dyne 3 years ago
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Someone call grunt a waaaaaambulance. Women choose to 1. Have sex, 2. Not have sex. Killing an unborn child for convenience is just not acceptable to most people...GET OVER IT.
Tam StaR 3 years ago
This is the issue. We have this sob story about how she can't afford school for her kids on a liveable wage and has to rely on tips. No one is pissed the employer isn't paying her her worth, we're all upset that the person who doesn't have to pay a set amount in a tip isn't giving her what she needs to make it through life? The point this story is trying to make misses the f*****g mark and I'm pretty tired of having this pop up as a problem with people tipping.
Mary Rogers 3 years ago (edited)
Tam, I see people being upset about both issues. Yes they should be paid a living wage. But as long as we have a tipping culture, it isn't fair to penalize the worker by not tipping them. Especially when it is a large order, and the person can clearly afford it. Like in this example.
Dillon Sizemore 3 years ago (edited)
Nope because corp don't care if you don't tip and they will run through 10k workers a year to not pay more and you will always get some r****d and I do mean that in the literal sense. That will work for that pay because they feel honored to have the job. The best thing to do is contact who handles the calls/orders and blacklist poor tippers you don't have to not service them just give them service worth your pay be rude. If you think you need the job and are worried about losing it but don't make min. wage without tips you can find another job in a flat hour for the same pay.
Bri Lancaster 3 years ago (edited)
Dillon Sizemore No, you're targeting the wrong person. The government gets involved in everything, so they should pass laws obligating restaurants to pay their servers and everyone else at least minimum wage.
I Am LoKitty Of Meowsgard 3 years ago
The thing is, we all hear from people in the tipped wage industry and how much they make in tips, and a good majority bring home a lot, untaxed. If minimum wage was $15 an hour, no tips, is that going to be more than what they take home in tips? Especially since it will all be taxed. And then are they still going to expect tips. So then should it be $20 an hour? More? I understand that minimum wage is horrible, tipping should not be making up that pay. But the fact is, people make a lot more than $15 an hour with those tips, and they don't lose out on taxes.
James Baum 3 years ago
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A livable wage? Driving pizza? Gtfo of here. Those are highschool jobs
OokiiStaR 3 years ago
As Jay Son said below, and I agree, as long as you continue to tip, everyone is super complacent. The number of people commenting "what can we do, that's just our society" are the same ones who don't understand their power because they've been told that this is what it is and the placeholder is "until it changes" we can't do anything, so let's keep tipping. You have all the power in the world to effect this change. Here's a fresh idea. What if everyone stopped tipping. Do you think workers would stick around for $2.xx an hour? Or would businesses start to falter and this capitalist economy get its act together and say "if we don't pay them, they won't stick around." And then we can stop pretending it's the low/no tippers fault that we're enabling employers to pocket employee wages and keep them in poverty?
Linnea 3 years ago (edited)
That's a nice idea in theory, but how do you expect it to work out in practice? Maybe start a No Tipping group on Facebook, get the hashtag #NoTipping started on Twitter? OK, sure. If you put in the effort, and if you're savvy enough with social media, that could work. But even in the best case scenario -- even if you manage to get most of the American populace to go along with a coordinated No Tipping movement (a foolishly optimistic goal) -- how long do you think that would take? A few months at least, even in the absolute best case scenario. That's months of reduced wages for waitstaff & delivery drivers, as all of you in the No Tipping group attract more and more members until you have most of the American public on board. Months of reduced wages that these workers cannot afford. And again, that's the pie-in-the-sky, best case scenario. A nationwide boycott on tipping is simply not a realistic goal, and even if it was, it'd cause a lot of collateral damage to workers. Essentially you would be making them the proverbial frog in a pot of slowly boiling water: subjecting them to an extended period of steadily decreasing wages until they collectively decide that the financial pain is too much to bear and they all quit. That's not cool. Are you really going to feel good about yourself, denying hardworking people tip after tip after tip, hurting them again and again and again, under the rationale that "in the long run it's good for them?" Is that really the person you want to be? A much better way to help service employees would be to push for your state representatives to pass a bill eliminating the tipped minimum wage (which a few states have already done).
Magnus Eklund 3 years ago (edited)
Why aren't people allowed to discuss connected issues? People can read. They know the subject of the article. Edit: wow that came out very passive aggressive.
Rob Hynes 3 years ago
Because that's the job she signed up for maybe? She didn't have to do that job. That's why you get upset with the tippers. They're also fully aware of tipping, but the only reason not to give a decent tip is if the employee was a complete ahole or the tipper is. No, you don't have to tip. You also don't have to wash you hands if you get c**p on them but if you don't other people in the restaurant are gonna see c**p on your hands and give you a hard time about it.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Why don't we let the people not getting paid correctly or not getting what they think is a tip worry about what they should do to remedy their own situation! Why TF does all your opinions on it matter! Is your views on something that doesn't involve you or effect you in any way gonna get them what they need!! Why do people feel the need to post their problems to a bunch of people who don't truly give a rats a*s about what they're going through-ones that only want to respond with their B S. thoughts, agendas,yet nothing helpful to the poster!!! If people want your opinions they'll ask and if you are not going to actively do something in return to help,then STFU And people who feel they need to post everything because they feel their feelings or what they're eating for dinner is so noteworthy......has any post ever returned anything that resembled a way to help your situation. DOUBT IT,so why continue? And do you truly think your so special and important that all want to hear your life
Private 3 years ago
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No, the REAL issue is people never live within their means. They have low paying jobs and then go and have three kids! Why should I have to pay for your kids? I didn't have them! NOT MY PROBLEM!
Maggie Mykle 3 years ago
I don't know what your view is of my (our shared?) nation but America has plummeted to conditions below the average 3rd world nation. We Are A National Slum Ghetto With Nothing To Feel Pride In And It's Getting Worse.
Shehzadi Amal 3 years ago
The US is a third world nation with a Gucci bag. As long as it *looks* pretty that's all that matters.
HumanBeingFromEarth 3 years ago
Well the definition of worlds was made by first world countries including america so that is factually wrong… but politically correct.
Maggie Hood 3 years ago
Apparently America is one of the richest nations. Unfortunately none of that wealth is going to people who actually need it. All the wealth of our great nation belongs to corrupt rich people
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Did you know you can apply online for citizenship to another country for about $120. That way you can leave this terrible place for your dream destination.....maybe,Somolia,the Congo perhaps. Ijust know you'll love it and they'll love you and guarantee they'll listen, validate and fulfill all your thoughts and opinions. I believe so much that any criticizing America on this page ,I will pay citizenship fees and 1 way airfare!
Kaiti Yoder 3 years ago
Ah yes, because we should absolutely leave and force others to continue to suffer, rather than fix what is broken. Thoughts like that is exactly what has gotten America to the low point it is now at.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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If all you do is complain and put down America then Yes. Why should you stay,find your Shangri La. What is broke is this ,entitlement culture,that now can prefer teachers identify them as animals and teacher must comply. Feelings over Growing the hell up and thinking something like you not getting a tip is so important you should post for the masses because you're so important. And then all the thoughts, opinions, nothing of real value pour in with not 1 person positively doing anything to help this situation change for her. Others won't be suffering once your gone and your Democrat,left ways go with you. And what are you doing that is do actively fixing ?? Posting on Reddits?? Or are you one of the ones looting,burning, ya know fixing. Joke
Joe Dirt 3 years ago
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Well, we got gay pride now hahaha which is absolutely pathetic. But your right we got all these crazy flat earthers we never went to the moon nutjobs who have no pride in great American accomplishments.
Diane Knight 3 years ago
Re-read the story, she was delivering to the building AND to the floor, as well as set-up. The point person should have given her the $20 and she was on her way. She earned more by HAULING it up to the floor and set-up. Pay her! If this was a catering gig, there would have been at least $160 more beyond the food. When pizza delivery places provide a vehicle with gas and insurance on top of a decent wage, by all means drop the tip expectation, til then tip the people.
Bland Voice 3 years ago
Alternatively, why are pizza delivery places not providing vehicles and gas with insurance on top of a decent wage?
I Am LoKitty Of Meowsgard 3 years ago
I have a coworker who works at Pizza Hut party time and he said that they do. That is actually what the delivery fee they charge goes to. That's in Minnesota, I don't know about other states or pizza places.
spirals 73 2 years ago
Rent/mortgage has nothing to do with the job. Use of vehicle does. Based on your knee-jerk reaction, I'm gussing you're between 65 and 75. You sound exactly like my boomer parents.
Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
Believe me, most of us agree with you. Unfortunately, both parties are controlled by capitalism; they support corporations, not workers.
Alexander Louis 3 years ago
Yes, I agree. The problem is that private companies and organisations can afford to pay politicians huge sums of money via lobby groups. Without these groups you would have some chance of having decent conditions for the average person.
Mary Bridget 3 years ago
I always leave a 20% tip for anybody that does work for me. Whether it's a haircut or someone serving me food. I am a dog groomer and a lot of people don't realize how hard the job is and they don't leave a tip when you just spent 3 hours cleaning up their dirty dog while it's trying to bite you. I have a lot of great customers that leave large tips and I have other people that can only leave a couple dollars and I appreciate every single one of them.
HumanBeingFromEarth 3 years ago
But what about comparing a really kind employee that helps more and makes things clearer to a bad employee who is rude? Do you want both the employees to make the same amount? I’m not agreeing with the system, but not tipping also has cons.
Lydia 2 years ago
This - please stop making the customers the a******hole, just because they don't tip (enough). I work as a cleaner for a business. Customers pay business, business pays me fairly. Customers are a***hole if they are rude, or leave their sh****t in other places than in the toilet. But not for not tipping.... Be nice, say please and thank you, get me a cup of coffee and nothing more is needed.
Peeka_Mimi Premium 2 years ago (edited)
Yeah because us poors get listened to in Amerikkka. Yes this customer is an @$$hole for not tipping. You can afford $938, you can tip a proper amount.
Dawn Harris 2 years ago
They could have tipped $100, come on, it was an almost $1,000 order. What's another $100 gonna hurt??
Robert Courto 2 years ago
Don't even kid, if the companies paid a living wage to any of these people they wouldn't offer the service and you wouldn't pay the price. The only reason chain restaurants exist is because they can keep the wages low. And yes, if you order a thousand dollars worth of s**t and make the person lug it upstairs for you and set out, and you don't give them s**t, you're an a*****e. You give them what the service is worth to you. Read: what would you want/expect if you had to do this for someone.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
Just had this conversation with a friend of mine; decent wage, what is that? People can't read, can't write and can't count but want $25/hr, ok. What do I pay folks who actually have skills? The business could have charged a delivery and tip fee to such a large order. Common sense tells you that for big orders and many companies do that. Now, is it 18%, I don't think so but more than $20. On the flip side, you make it difficult for folks to live, maybe the person could not afford more than $20. Bad policies that negatively impact the lives of people will force folks not to be as generous. Rich people are rich because they don't callously give away their money; most of us try to be big shots and over compensate. A lesson to be learned about not throwing money around to feel important
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
You're right! They are more worthless than crusty old white dog s**t. I bet you're a worthless tipper also.
Phyllis Wright 3 years ago
The customer is the ahole for making the DELIVERY person also be the server and wait on them and help them. They bout ~1000$ worth of pizza they could tip way more than $20. I deliver and have had service jobs (and a professional career in electronics too) the ones who tip do so because they understand that someone left their home used their car gave their time hauled your product and are NOT adequately compensated in the name of keeping overhead down. Meanwhile the owners sit in their huge houses comfortably collecting profits AND a "delivery fee" that is not paid to delivery staff. Just more profit for the greedy boss who btw probably do not tip for their deliveries.
Polly Manson 2 years ago
I AGREE a tip isn’t mandatory at all … this person over her cal ilaying what they think they are OWED … a tip is a gratuity not a requirement …be glad they gave u anything at all…. I worked as a waitress and bartender and delivery person I was glad to be tipped at all let alone 5-10% and now people lose their damn minds if u don’t drop a quarter of the price of the meal on the person who drops it off to u ?? Tf?? Really?? Wow … entitled much? …. Sometimes when a family makes a large order it’s cuz they are treating themselves and can barely afford the bill and u want 18% on top of that for driving across town ? Wow … what if they had a budget in that order and only had the 20 too tip? it’s not their problem u can’t afford ur way of life… we are ALL struggling out here be grateful for what little is handed out at all cuz next time u might not get anything at all
James Baum 3 years ago
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The "tip culture" is a good thing for everyone. The employer can keep costs down, the customer can receive decent service because it falls on the server, and the server can get their pay based on the treatment
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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Pizza hut delivery drivers make an average of $15 an hour.
Jennifer Forshee 3 years ago
And they have to pay for their own gas and car expenses so it really don't work out to $15.
Jay Son 3 years ago
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Which is more than someone at McDonald's, where almost nobody tips...
Martijn Mollet 3 years ago (edited)
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You are clueless. You have no idea what you are talking about. See below. And shut up
Jef Bateman 3 years ago
I delivered pizza in Texas, and most people didn't tip at all. I once delivered to a guy who was in the process of moving into an apartment straight out of New York. He gave me a $20 tip, and I said, "Man, I can break this for you... it's a big tip." He said that in New York, the pizza would come two hours after he ordered it and the drivers would pitch a fit if they didn't get a good tip. This was quite a while ago--I know the tipping culture is escalating everywhere, so it is probably a little different now. However, I imagine a delivery driver who expects 18% is going to be pretty disappointed every place except New York.
Diane Knight 3 years ago
Even when I go to pick-up my order, I leave a small tip (not 18% mind you) but a few bucks, because I'm soooo thankful that someone else cooked (ha ha). And in the summer, my kitchen didn't get hot either, :p, jest saying
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Also, even though you didn't have table service, the waitstaff still took the order, made sure it came out correctly, packed it up with all the condiments and sauces and utensils and napkins that you might need, and (if you ordered over the phone or in person) processed your payment. Restaurant workers don't expect a full 20% for pickup orders, but a couple dollars, or maybe 10% on a large order, is appropriate and much appreciated.
Gregg Leventhal 3 years ago
You tip the dunkin donuts people? they do all that same stuff. Where does it end?
Gregg Leventhal 3 years ago
A place near me auto-tips when you order pickup 10% and you have to opt-out. I let them know I thought it was shady, and they didn't change much. 10% for pickup? Just pay your effing employees. Ridiculous.
Anonymous Poster 3 years ago (edited)
It's not your responsibility to pay a company's employees. It is the employer's responsibility not the consumer.
Sarah Ries 2 years ago
Yup! I asked Little Caesars where their tip jar was, cause i love their pizza and it is ridiculously cheap! Eventually, they brought out a tip jar and even added a tip option to the card reader. I made sure I tipped really high during the pandemic -- those workers literally had their lives on the line for us.
M 3 years ago
Yup I've lived in Manhattan for 22+ years (not rich, just got lucky on a lease), and I've never tipped less than 20%, unless there was a huge, malicious f*ckup. And if it's inclement weather, I'll go much higher. Riding a bike in the rain in midtown traffic is a gauntlet!
Enby Gilbert 3 years ago
Read it again. The driver never said she was expecting that. What she did receive was way too low. That's the point of the story.
Billie Maier 3 years ago
Well considering how expensive NY happens to be, I can understand it.
Olivia Marie 2 years ago
I usually leave a 15% to 20% tip! And sometimes more depending on the service!
Nick 3 years ago (edited)
Agreed! The worst is it is spreading into everything else. Your hire someone for a job and are supposed to tip. For example if I take a fishing charter I am supposed to tip the guide 20%?! WTF. They aren't making minimum wage. The are the owner. They make the entire profit of what I paid for the trip. Why do I then need to tip? Just charge me what you want for a service. Same with certain deliveries. They aren't making minimum wage, why am I supposed to tip them? The only one I understand is servers because they are screwed with their base pay. I don't agree with it. Just pay a better wage and charge a little more for my food.
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Dana Williams 3 years ago
I never tipped the captain of the boat. I tipped the bait boy (person). They did all the work.
Gutes Haar 3 years ago
Owners should not Ever expect a tip. Tips are for minimum wage workers. I agree though that it has gotten out of hand, when I am handed a machine where the lowest option is an 18% tip for a delivery or pick up, I just don't tip,sorry but it seems greedy and makes me angry. 10% is a good tip for pick up or delivery. Set that for the minimum and you are more likely to recieve a tip. Get greedy and you will find people who are broke themselves will not want to tip at all. What is the point of your 10% tip is seen as an insult or not enough?
April Adkisson 3 years ago
At the salon too- yo, you just charged me 85$ PER COLOR- almost 400$ in the end- I always tip my stylist but 18-25% tip is insane. (That’s what their purchasing program gave as tip options)
Lisa Morlan 3 years ago
I was always told it's an insult to tip THE OWNER of any buisnesd. But the employees that clean make food drinks serves you deserves a tip. I always tip I appreciate those few people out there still willing to work doing these jobs.
Rasheeda Pennybaker 2 years ago
No what I understand is drivers don't get enough pay and they are using their car ad their gas. That's why some pizza places started to add a $2 delivery fee so they can make sure that their delivery drivers gets something. Thats why they shorten how far they let them deliver.
William Christopher 2 years ago
The delivery fee does not go to the driver. Speaking from experience
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
All delivery drivers do not make way more than min wage. They probably make min wages. I worked for 1800GOTJUNK. They tell you, you get paid 20 an hour. It was a lie, they paid 15 an hour base pay and said we could make an extra 5 if we can get the customer to tip. So that tells me most delivery companies build it into their business plans
Lingerie De Paris 2 years ago
The one thing I was taught as a child is that the barber I used was the owner of the shop and you don't give the owner a tip. I really hate going into coffee shops and then expecting you to tip them to do their job when they are behind the counter making regular wages
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
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Dumb a*s point of view. Who owns PEETS COFFEE? Who owns STARBUCKS? Also, stop me if I'm wrong, but most barbershops are not owned by the people.cutting your hair. They are usually renting the building. Dumbass
Анна Сорокина 3 years ago
What's crazy is I am your neighbour to the north, and just because we must copy everyyyything you do, tipping culture is huge here, so I'm expected to tip 18% on an order to someone making 18 bucks an hour regardless of their service quality My American bf once tipped a Canadian waitress who was quite rude and useless to us, and to me in particular (and I am always incredibly friendly, and polite with everyone when I am out, I rarely to never have this problem with anyone irl) $10 - I was so upset he paid her to be rude to me, right away as walked away from the restaurant and I said "I cannot beeeeelieve you tipped that nasty woman" he said oh man youll never let me live this down, and we laughed so much because it was true. hah he was like, In America a ten dollar tip is an insult!, I insulted her!! I have never thought to give someone ten dollars, to insult them. Americans are wild.
De Nilla 3 years ago
People don't seem to realize that ALL tipped service workers have a minimum wage of $2. Even drivers for corporate pizzerias like Papa John's. It's not just servers getting raped
spirals 73 2 years ago
No they don't always. I've worked off and on in the service industry since 1993 and I never made $2. As a tipped server I made minimum.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago (edited)
Not all tipped employees have a $2.00 minimum wage, it varies state to state. Oregon for example does not have any exceptions to the minimum wage for tipped employees where as South Dakota sets their minimum wage at half the state minimum wage of $9.95 South Carolina follows federal guidelines that allow them to pay as little as $2.13 per hour as long as they make enough in tips to equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25. Nevada has a two tiered system where workers who don't qualify for health benefits get a minimum wage that is $1 higher than workers that do qualify but it is still a measly $9.00 an hour. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics 1.6 million workers, or 1.9% of all hourly paid workers earned at or below the federal minimum wage. 12% of hourly did service workers make the federal minimum wage or less, after food service workers, personal care occupations have the second highest rate of workers at our below federal minimum wage at 3.2%.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
If you don't want to tip feel free not to, also feel free to cook your own food at home. My personal rule of thumb is to tip 20% but that can vary based on service and circumstances from 0% to more than 100%. When the service sucks but the food was good I have gone to the manager and handed them a cash tip for the back of the house. Part of that may be passive-aggressive on my part but when the server complains that they had a table that didn't tip and then find out that person tipped everybody else, they and the rest of the restaurant knows that the server failed. But it also doesn't punish everyone downstream from that server.
spirals 73 2 years ago
My rule is $5 tip minimum if I can do it which I usually can. Even if it's a cup of coffee (in a sit down where I'm taking up a table, not Starbucks or whatever), $5. And if 20% is over the $5, of course whatever the amount. Why do I do this? I worked lots of service industry, lots of food. I was roomies with my friend long ago and she saw how exhausted I was, even being a 23-year-old. She said she started the $5 thing because of her compassion for me, way back in the '90s when $5 tip was a lot. I followed suit after she told me that because I respect her greatly and I agree with her. If I can't tip at the very least $5 or 15%, I should probably not go out. Fortunately, I'm in a position to eat out a couple times a month.
Ryan 3 years ago
Honestly, this is why I never eat out anymore. I know not everyone has the luxury to cook their own food, but I'm so done with it.
JohnD Davison 3 years ago
It's a trust thing for me. You wear a wrong color, just catch them pissed off at not making a wage liveable... Don't want my mind going there!! Ya know what I'm talking about...done.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
People that think the solution is not tipping the underpaid employees is even worse!
Mallory Hemminger 2 years ago
So since tipping is BS, I hope people don’t find out who you are, or I guarantee your next dining experience, or all of them from here out, is going to suck. I mean why should someone make sure things are done right, food is served hot drinks are good etc, if you’re not going to tip. It’s not going to hurt the servers feelings, it’s probably going to be nice to not have to kiss someone’s “entitled a$$” and have fun at your expense!
AndyBloke 3 years ago
Delivery people expect tips proportion to the value of the item they deliver? If the Amazon driver delivers a package you paid $400 for, do you tip them $40? Do you tip the USPS person 5 cents for each bill they deliver?
Beans 3 years ago
It's different for food apps and its different when you have to unload, unpack, and set up the food. She shoulda left it there and gone tbh.
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Heh...sounds like what happened to a friend of a friend many a year ago... The gent was driving a delivery truck, arrived at a company in an industrial park, and asked where he was supposed to deliver. Security called someone out, they took the guy into a building, down a short hall, down a flight, up a flight, then at a hole in the wall into another room with the floor 3-4 metres below, pointed to a shelving unit that had a 2x6 stretched from the shelf to the "doorway," and the guy said deliver to the shelf. The friend of my friend looked it over, thought about the pain of lugging hundreds of kilos of bulky stuff up and down stairs, and across the gap on a piece of unsecured lumber. Said "okay," and they went back to unload. He unloaded to the ground beside the truck, and had the guy sign the paperwork. He then told the guy to have a good day, and drove off. -- As soon as the guy signed the paperwork, he accepted a) delivery, and b) responsibility.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
in my country you would agree in advance for the heavy item that you want it delivered to a particular floor. then the company would charge you based on how heavy the item is ( if one or more ppl are needed to unload it) and based on how many floors they have to walk.if no agreement they will unload it next to your front door and that is it. no tips. just the price you agreed upon
Jay Son 3 years ago
How is it different? If I'm getting a new dishwasher delivered and installed, or when I spent 7,000 on a split AC unit, those guys weren't even allowed to accept a tip from their boss because they are paid well. There's no reason it shouldn't be the same for food delivery. The employer has to pay for them to work, and if that means increasing the cost of food, then so be it, but that's not what they want simply because they're afraid to get less profit.
Karina Carr 3 years ago (edited)
It's different because food delivery drivers are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips just like servers and restaurants. Also, food delivery drivers have to use their own car, pay for their own gas, etc. Therefore it actually costs the money to do their job.
Suzanne Degrace 3 years ago
Its wrong and inconsiderate sure they used a company card. sShe packed it all into her car and then drove with her own gas and delivered it all up there and they spent 938 and they couldnt give her a proper tip. This is not the first story I have heard like this were a big order worth 900 or so more gets delivered and the driver doesn't get more then 20.It is wrong.
Mose1 3 years ago
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It's pizza hut, not doordash, she was in a company van, using company paid gas. Any expensive orders like this have gratuity added. If the company paid with a card, then they tipped with it too. The 20 was a bonus.
Susan Farley 3 years ago
Most pizza delivery drivers DO NOT use a company vehicle, despite the fact that they're an hourly employee of the restaurant!!! Most use their own personal vehicle and pay for all of their own gas/car insurance. And how do you know that all pizza joints automatically add a gratuity onto large orders?
Kathleen Peek 2 years ago
At Waffle House we get no gratuity added on orders except carry out/ to go and that is 10% for the server and 10% for the supplies. And there are some people who complain about that!!
Karina Carr 3 years ago
Nope. They use their own cars, pay for their own gas and get paid less than minimum wage.
Scott Logan 3 years ago
Pizza is rarely delivered in company Van's unless it's a dedicated catering service.
Nicole Kosanke 2 years ago
Have you never had a pizza delivered? They don't have company cars. The delivery drivers use their own cars and their own gas.
virgin metal 3 years ago
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is it tho? or is it an excuse
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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She didn't have to unpack and set up the food. Even if she did ... how much of her time did she spend? I'll bet it was less than an hour. So she get's paid at least $15 an hour (look it up) and then gets $20 on top of that ... she was paid $35 an hour to deliver some pizzas.
Julie C Rose 3 years ago
And this is why every time American corporations try to bring tipping culture into New Zealand, both left wingers and right wingers tell them to get f****d.
Bayou Billy 3 years ago
It's funny how new Zealand the Dutch and other scandy nations all do better than all of us. But you gotta pull us kicking and screaming along progress Avenue every few decades... Funny that.
Leonardo Kinach 3 years ago
It is because they focus on made up problems instead of making education better and more accessible, so that more people can move to better jobs
Klaus Davey 3 years ago
And who is going to run food orders, make food, stock shelves at stores, run check outs, pick up trash, clean restrooms, etc? There aren’t that many good jobs out there and society would literally f*****g fall apart if there weren’t people working in places like retail. Telling people to get a better job when those better jobs are very far and few does not fix the issue. It ignores the issue.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Why does everyone these days seem to have someone else to blame for their problems. Take some accountability for yourself! I'm sure everyone has made perfect choices and headed down perfect path....then Wham their arch nemesis "EDUCATION ACCESOR","COPS","WHITE PEOPLE",ETC., jumps out and starts putting holes in their path!! So pathetic and so many feel they would be on top,if big sugar,etc, hadn't stopped them.
ButterflyMcQueen 3 years ago
No because they don't stick around long enough to receive a tip. In the Bay Area they chuck your package in the vicinity of your door and leave asap
Jennifer Reding 3 years ago
They do that because they are expected to deliver a ridiculous number of packages in the time allotted. I know because I had a BF that was a UPS driver. He said the pay and benefits were good but they had to hustle as fast as possible if they weren't going to be stuck delivering packages late into the night.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
For food deliveries, I'd say it's more about quantity than value. $900 has gotta be around 75 items. That's a ridiculously huge order. Maybe for pizza delivery, tip $1 per item instead of percentage of price? Speaking as a former pizza delivery driver, I'd be happy with that.
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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75 item that are light and easily stacked. But even if it was 75 2-liter bottles it would still take less than an hour to deliver them. Pizza hut already pay their drivers an average of $15 an hour plus mileage. a $20 tip for an hour long delivery puts their pay at $35 an hour.
Jessica Olson 3 years ago
Yeah maybe if she dropped it at the sidewalk, when somebody delivers two pizzas to my door they don't have to unload it at my kitchen table...
Mahogany Eclipse 3 years ago (edited)
Except they are being paid a living wage by their employers. They may also have health insurance, retirement benefits, etc.. food industry workers such as wait staff and delivery drivers most likely do not have this.
Arose Erein 3 years ago
Delivery drivers for USPS get paid a decent wage, have benefits and are paid milage for gas and some are even provided vehicles with free repair. Delivery drivers for packages and such are not the same to fast food workers, it's a much different world as i have worked in both industries.
Pamela lamb 3 years ago
Amazon pays decent pizza places do not most restaurant make almost nothing so... Therefore amazon drivers don't need the tip like a person working as pizza deliverers
Br3 3 years ago
As a former FedEx driver I have been tipped a quite a few times from customers. Those customers and the ones that said thank you or offered drinks and snacks during summer months made the job worth it.
H.D. Kirkland, III 3 years ago
Amazon drivers are paid much more than Pizza Hut drivers, or any other food delivery driver, and also their gas isn't fully compensated, nor any type of repair to their own personal vehicle. So yes, tips are how they make their living. It's people who say dumb things like "go to a third world country" and don't tip that will inevitably have to wait much, much longer for their food or get a nice spit whad in your order when it's known how cheap you are
Rebecca Bryson 3 years ago
Delivery drivers in MA average 6.00 an hour.. Amazon drivers make much more than that and many Amazon employees get benefits.. They are two different animals. So.. yeah your argument is illogical.
Karina Carr 3 years ago
This is specific to food delivery. They don't get paid a reasonable hourly wage. Just like servers, delivery drivers are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips as their income. They also have to pay for their own gas/vehicle expenses, so every delivery costs them money.
James G. Currie 3 years ago
I do know that even today, many USPS drivers on regular routes received a LARGE amount of gifts / "tips" if you will every year, especially around Christmas. I heard of one guy regularly received almost a quarter of his salary from his "customers" each year. In areas where private companies pick-up residential trash, tips are a regular thing too...
Brian G. 3 years ago
They should have their little business taken away. USPS& FED EX are the most incompetent group I've ever seen!
gracefullikeagazelle 3 years ago
Agreed. The major delivery companies are incompetent, unprofessional and unreliable.
Enby Gilbert 3 years ago
That what tipping has always been, and Amazon isn't set up for tipping. Get a clue.
Rebecca Bryson 3 years ago
The average wage at Amazon is 24.00 an hour.. 4X more than a delivery persons wage.. on the low end of Amazon pay its 15.00 an hour .. USPS drivers are govt employees..they get not only very good pay they also get a full benefit and retirement package.. Your ignorance is mindblowing
Brian G. 3 years ago
USPS IS NOT PART OF US GOVERNMENT!!!! Why don't people know this. Yes they enjoy federal benefits,but are not part of Government.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago (edited)
The USPS is often mistaken for a state-owned enterprise or government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak) because it operates much like a business. It is, however, an "establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States", (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is controlled by presidential appointees and the postmaster general. As a government agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision "The Postal Service is not subject to antitrust liability. In both form and function, it is not a separate antitrust person from the United States but is part of the Government....
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
I guess that is why people don't know that the USPS is not part of the US government, because it is part of the US government.
Marvelous Rex 3 years ago
You are making a large, clearly uneducated assumption that all USPS drivers are full time. Every single route has a part time employee who works it at least one day a week, as well as covering when regulars are on PTO/sick/etc. They get NO benefits whatsoever and rural carriers provide their own vehicles. They get a very small per diem but rural delivery is EXTREMELY hard on vehicles. The transmissions/brakes/suspension/even frames barely last a year or two when you make as many as 650 stops in a single day. Add to that, rural routes are paid on evaluated time, and they are constantly trying to screw over the carriers. They will do the count in March, during the least hectic time of the year, and do everything they can lower counts, knowing full well that when the weather is bad and the packages quadruple in Nov/Dec, they may have to work 2-3 hrs extra with no OT.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
Do Amazon drivers have to pay for the gas themselves too... just asking.
Karen Gardner 3 years ago
I drove for Amazon exactly once. Amazon paid me $30 to make four grocery deliveries that included cases of soda and laundry detergent (read heavy sh*t) Drivers have to scan and load all items at the warehouse. They unload and scan again upon delivery to the clients door. Drivers use their own cars and pay for gas, repairs and insurance. Just an FYI.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
Mail and package delivery are not luxury services. If uou don't understand something, why comment on it?
AndyBloke 3 years ago
I think Amazon is very much a luxury service, and I commented because I don't understand it - it's a crazy concept to most of the world.
AndyBloke 3 years ago
"A pizza your only paying for the delivery" ... exactly. I pay for delivery. Pizza, DVD player, timber ... I pay for delivery, it gets delivered, the delivery charge covers the costs of delivering the product (including the fuel, obviously!). £2 to save me the 16 minute walk to the pizza place and back. If I ordered 4 pizzas delivery would still be £2. £14 to deliver 1 sheet of timber, or still £14 to deliver 12 sheets of timber...
Brian G. 3 years ago
I believe packages are,especially when binge ordering Amazon for wants not needs! Don't correct people when you're not correct because you failed to acknowledge different deliveries can be sub categorized as wants and needs and not being as smart as you say you are to realize a delivery for a want is luxury. SuperBrain
Jus 3 years ago
This is crazy. I live in Europe. I order my food and pay for the delivery online. I give no tips to the driver, it's his job, he did nothing special and the food is lukewarm anyway. In a restaurant I will give 10% if I'm very happy with the service. It's considered good manners, but optional. 18% tip for pizza?? Absolutely CRAZY. Pizza is fast food.
Jay Son 3 years ago
18% is actually considered on the low end nowadays. Many times, the suggested tips on a receipt (goes too show how it is expected) is often 18%, 20%, and 22%. Some restaurants even list a 25% tip suggestion on the receipt. Oh, and if you come with a party of 6 or more, expect to have the tip already included to the bill and still have a line available to give even more. It's disgusting, honestly.
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Beth Kostrab 3 years ago
But your country probably pays delivery people a better wage than we do in the US.
iseefractals 3 years ago (edited)
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In romania, no one tips. No one expects to be tipped, food service earns minimum wage, which after taxes, health care and other deductions you end up with $400per MONTH (after the very recent minimum wage increase) or if you work 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week you MIGHT bring home $600, again per month. Because HALF of all your pay goes to the government. This is on par with most of the countries in the EU, half of everything you make is taken by the government, and cost of living varies wildly.
April Adkisson 3 years ago
Do you actually get services back for all those taxes? My partner is from Iceland and (15year ago anyway) they got taxed .25$ out of every $1 essentially- but they also got a lot back out of it…. Just curious
Fair Sparrow 3 years ago
In my country we tip 12% and 15% if we're happy. visited Romania half a year ago, and everyone seemed surprised with tips for sure. The service was great tho.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
exactly as jus says. in my country most of the ppl just round the sum. so she would get 2€tip in this case. you should go on strike. tip is optional for extremely good service not a default
April Adkisson 3 years ago
Yeh- Europe has a better handle on it- pay your servers and include tax in the INITIAL price- not slap you with that c**p after the fact.
Dxxs89 3 years ago
Mostly same, but I pay when I am getting order and do tip person who delivers my order if it is really big or weather is shitty (heat, heavy rain, snow etc). I usually round up to the closest 5 or 10 xD do the same in Taxi. In restaurant I try to go with 10% if service is good, so not always. And definitely not in fast foods xD
Martijn Mollet 3 years ago
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You don't know what you are taking about. This happened in the USA, not Europe. So shut up
Angel Segarra 3 years ago
He does know what he is talking about. You don't get what he is saying. The wages are reasonable there and the Employer pays the employee, not the employer has 'self-employment' contracts to list employees as independent contractors.
Bekaroo 3 years ago
The reason average folks tip and pay better than richies is because average people have usually worked some of these crappy service and food industry jobs. We know they don't pay enough and the only way for these folks to make a living is through tips. And these jobs are HARD. One hour dealing with customers, especially in food service, is way more energy than an hour working at your desk in many cases. The fact that these types of jobs are the lowest paid is just ridiculous to me.
Leonardo Kinach 3 years ago
The thing is that pay is based around the amount of people that can do the job, not how hard it is. You can get a gorilla to do hard work for you, but working at a desk requires education
Load More Replies... Bekaroo 3 years ago
Tell that to my high school diploma and the desk job I've had for 10+ years. This is the future, if you can read, you can learn new skills on the internet and avoid tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. Very few "gorillas" in the service industry my friend, hope that wasn't some gross racist/classist remark. People work service jobs because they are 1) the only ones available 2) the only ones flexible enough to accommodate their schedules or 3) they started working in the service industry because of the previous reasons and now don't have the time/energy and/or can't make enough money to escape the low-wage work trap they're in.
Id row 3 years ago
"In the United States today, there’s an expectation to leave a generous tip regardless of the service." Regardless of service? No, there's not. Bad service means a bad tip. I was in the service industry for 9 years, the expectation of a generous tip for bad service is not a thing, unless you're delusional and entitled as hell.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
"Bad service" is not always the fault of the one providing service. The "face" of the business has to rely on cooks, managers, traffic (in the case of delivery drivers) and several other variables that are often out of their control. Unless the service provider is unnecessarily rude or careless, I always leave a healthy tip to help make up thr difference of people like you.
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SPQRBob 3 years ago
Agreed. Bad service isn't "my steak was overcooked/undercooked, this fish tastes 'fishy', etc." unless you are expecting your server to bust out a knife and fork and take a bite before they bring your food to you! Their role in providing good (or crappy) service is all about how they handle making it right for you.
Sarah Ries 2 years ago
Agree. Left a hefty tip for a young waitress who accidentally spilled a pitcher of ice water in my lap. From the time we were seated, we heard her being berated by an a-hole customer. I can't imagine having to work through that. I only wish I had gotten in that customer's face.
Brian G. 3 years ago
I live in the U.S., and I only expect what my employer pays me and only for what I earn. I live by....if someone is paying for my work,then I better be f*****g working. Give 100% everyday because I wouldn't want them changing my pay for me performing less. I know my duties and work to fulfill those and if I don't then I nullify my acceptance of job and its duties. Explain that in your U.S. knowledge. I think they should pay all on sliding scale,if you are less than 100 every day,then they should lower your pay with performance. You expect 100 of your pay no matter if you half a*s,whole a*s,or are just a j*****f. Even though you were informed of job requirements before saying Yes to employment and what compensation is for doing job(which means fulfilling the ALL duties of position)which you're informed. I doubt many of you do 100 of your duties daily-how would you like business not giving 100 of your wages since you failed to meet your obligations. Take what you agreed to and be happy
Brian G. 3 years ago
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You agreed to said wage. If it didn't sound like a wage you felt was correct,then you should have negotiated this or declined position. What do you all think interview and orientation process is for!! Don't agree to said wage then p**s and moan about said wage. There are an ABUNDANCE of jobs do to lazy a*s people who think their entitled to do nothing for 20+ an hour while they live off government funding. Or start protests over s**t they really give 2 f***s about. They're just doing it to try and get undeserved compensation so they can keep living their purposeful life of sleeping till 1 in afternoon only to wake up,beat their spouse,then go slang dope,protesting having to live by rules others do without issue because they shouldn't have to follow law that all others do. So this great lifestyle earns what must be an attractive wage of next to nothing. But they don't want to go do a task in turn for compensation like others and be productive member of society.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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So stand up,go protest your wages because you all think that laying around,looking for way to get paid doing nothing because you're waste of space life looks great. Instead of the so much harder task of applying for a job that compensation meets your expectations and you in turn meet the expectations of the job
Brian G. 3 years ago
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As for you Abortion Loving brainless f***s. Grow the f**k up,if your going to be grown-up enough to have sex,then have brains enough to know that if you don't take precautions that you may become pregnant. If that's not what you want,protest to yourself that maybe you shouldn't be doing that!! You're body,you're choice!! You chose to let c**k into your body....but keep going don't shorten to fit your dumbass. And you're such a dirt leg moron that you didn't know thats how babies made. Guess what they babies body you created because of you neglegibility has no choice. So,why should you be heard-why don't you try hearing how to take precautions against being ho. Just think,if your mother would have felt that way,then we wouldn't hear how you don't know how to not to be a stupid a*s by choice with your body! We all wish your mothers would have had an abortion. I bet you're all self righteous bitches who complain about prostitution!! What,mad they know how to be self made
Nathan Fritts 2 years ago
I hear the word "entrepreneur" and the next word that comes to my mind is "whore." Go F yourself, Brian G.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
Tipping only $20 on a $938 order, is beyond stingy. Regardless of whether the delivery person relies on the tip, because the pay is so poor.
Becca Hauck 3 years ago
I'm curious if you also feel that people shouldn't get fast food unless they tip the workers? Delivery drivers get minimum wage, mileage, and tips from most people. They work half as hard. Fast food workers get minimum wage no matter how much food is ordered and how hard they work.
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Michael ONeale 3 years ago
His point was the same as OP that tip is just plain insulting...while workin for a moving company me and two others had a 10 hour day and still had two hour drive back...the guy gives us 20 buck to split between three guys...slap in the face...not even seven bucks a guy...normally the amount doesn't matter but I almost told to keep it he needs it more than us.
Nick 3 years ago (edited)
This is one of those tips creeping into everything else. Don't get me wrong I tip my movers BUT you don't make $2.50 an hour like a server does. You get paid a normal wage, albeit may be shitty. It's still a normal wage above minimum. Why am I tipping on top of a service I paid for? Your tip isn't taxed like a server as part of your wage, it's solely extra, and for what?! Doing the job you are already being paid to do.
Trixi Black 3 years ago
Is that not their job though. It requires physical labor. You have created a company specifically to take on that labor. I didn't pull you off the street and force you to move my belongings. I called your business that you've deliberately created for this situation, set an appointment, and paid for the service. Where does tipping come into this? You've done your job and I've completed my contract with the agreed compensation.
Becca Hauck 3 years ago
It's not the same at all. Moving furniture is hard work. Delivering pizzas, even many pizzas, is not hard at all. I've delivered pizzas. I've moved my own household repeatedly. If you're making $30 for 30 minutes of work that requires no skills or hard work at all... You're not being screwed or insulted.
David Peters 3 years ago
Living in California I have started tipping based on time spent on me since they are already making $15/hr or more while working. Why should I give someone $20 for 15 minutes of their time or $80hr. You see people all the time on Facebook offering yard work for $25/hr and people complain it's to expensive yet they will tip a server $20 for 5 minutes of their time.
April Adkisson 3 years ago
And there’s the entitlement- you get paid to do your job- tips are just frosting- go move some boxes.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
In fact yes! I am German and here, even part-time employees get the minimum wage, have health insurance through the employer and are entitled to paid vacation! Tipping service staff, or suppliers is not even expected, but not unusuall. I always tip if the service/food was good, or the food delivery was extremely quick, or a package is extremely heavy and the delivery person is kind enough to bring it to the door.
ralph longo 3 years ago
Only someone who has never delivered would say store based delivery was easy, the reality is that to be good at it is brutal. 30k hard miles a year, running into and out of the store to keep times down, being out in all sorts of weather conditions. The companies disrespect the position so the drivers that have stayed don't overwork themselves, but good drivers bust their asses. When cooks would become drivers they were always terrible at first, until they realized they didn't see it right, it's way harder that you think it is. Than most people think it is, apparently, because I see a lot of comments in here that don't have any clue about store based delivery. Gig work is way different, a much slower pace, store based is brutal.
Thomas Gaster 2 years ago
When I was a delivery driver, over a decade ago, I made less than minimum wage, and bought my own gas, and paid for the wear and tear on my car. And other costs like insurance, which raised my rates a ton because I was using my car for work. The next time you shop insurance, look at the price, and then check the box that says "driving this vehicle is a significant part of my job" or something simar and see how much it goes up
Diane Aguilar 3 years ago
Becca, I've gotten fast food delivered to me at my house and I've TIPPED. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It's different if you're picking it up at the fast food restaurant vs. having it conveniently delivered to your home, and if you wouldn't be ok with tipping ANYONE for a food delivery then DON'T GET FOOD DELIVERED.
iseefractals 3 years ago
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I'll preface this by saying i always, always always over tipped. Spend $25 on pizza delivery? $10-15 tip depending on whether i was broke or not. Cab drivers would get $10 tip on a $10 fare and waitstaff would almost always get at least $15 on a $30-35 bill (provided the service was good, of course) We tipped our movers $100 apiece. But this expectation that anyone deserves 15-25% of any order regardless of how large it is, is insane. There was a thread somewhere in which a guy ordered a $300 pull of some fancy scotch on his birthday, and everyone was dragging him because he only tipped the bartender $20 when they DESERVED to get $75. I'm not defending the a$$holes that gave this woman a $20 ($50 would have been appropriate) but expecting to get $100, let alone $170 for delivering an order of food is beyond entitled.
Crene 3 years ago (edited)
US tipping culture still and will probably continue to make zero sense to me. Though I agree with most of what u said but calling them a$$holes doesn't seem right to me. It's really ridiculous and disheartening to think that waitstaffs in the US have been forced to expect and sometimes demand tips because their means of livelihood majorly depends on them. I truly hope things get better for them
Load More Replies... Becca Hauck 3 years ago
Delivery drivers get minimum wage plus mileage plus tips. When I delivered pizza, I also got $3 medium pizzas and $5 large made any way I cared to make it, including deep dish. I made decent money without anyone tipping me 18% or more. And yes, wealthy people tip almost nothing.
iseefractals 3 years ago
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20 years ago when all my friends and i were working in Restaurants, being waitstaff was the dream. You could make $500-$1000 (or more if the stars aligned), in cash, unreported working a single weekend (and still pull in $150-$200 weeknights) because places would only schedule 2-3 waitstaff to cover 60+ tables and those tables were all filled almost every night. They never complained about their hourly, or hours. It depends on the individual restaurant and the customers that frequent it.
Sheyanne Valiante 3 years ago
Just some quick mental math has this girl carry like 2/3 dozen pizzas and appetizers, it's not exactly the same as one item costing a third of the bill. And it was a company party so it was definitely the company card, why short someone who literally made your party possible?
Om 3 years ago (edited)
but why didn't she just unpack at the entrance of the building and leave? why isn't Pizza Hut and the likes paying them enough so they don't have to depend on tips. For me, a tip should be something extra, a reward for a good job that goes beyond their duties, not something employees are counting on to survive.
Pamela lamb 3 years ago
I believe she should have at least got $ 100.00 but , OK 150.00 but , I agree with OP company credit card......write it off...tight wad
iseefractals 3 years ago
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Why? What logic do you use to arrive at the conclusion that someone who spends at most 20 minutes driving food that someone else prepared to it's destination, another 5 minutes actually unloading and handing the food off is deserving of $150? Or even $100? That's $2-$300+ an hour. People spend 10's of thousands of dollars, and 7 (Or more years) to become a lawyer and many don't make HALF that much. The people making that food work a hell of a lot harder, in much worse conditions for about the same money, yet everyone just expects that because you deliver food, and only food from one place to another, it merits being given a % of the bill regardless of how large. I'm happy to give someone 10-15 bucks on a $30-$50 food bill, everyone should be. That doesn't mean anyone should be UPSET that they didn't get $150+ tip for 30 minutes of work.
Elena Schnaible 3 years ago
This woman brought everything up and set it up for them , so they could enjoy their order. That's worth more than $ 20...$100 would be more appropriate. Personally I would have gotten paid first before doing anything...for the $20 tip they could take it off the elevator themselves. But that's just me...you get what you pay for .
LilliVB 3 years ago
I get that the problem is the tipping culture, it's the owner that have to pay a living wage and all of that...That said, until the USA are going to change their laws about wages, there will be always bosses that don't pay a living wage in the food industry, and people working there unfortunately have to rely on the generosity of the tips that they get. So, keep trying to change what the real problem is, but keep on tipping too, because it's not the employees' fault that the tipping culture is still so strong and necessary in their field
ggus44 3 years ago
Same old BS tip culture. Hey America, it's time to learn something from some 3rd world countries. Just f*****g pay the employees the decent money they deserve so they don't rely on tips. Plus, this customer is not the a-hole just because they didn't tip $160!
Disgruntled Pelican 3 years ago
We don't even let women have a say in what happens to their bodies. What makes you think we'll pay any employee a decent wage? The American dream has been reduced to being alive from one day to the next.
Load More Replies... Magnus Eklund 3 years ago
Henceforth it shall be called DSA. Depressive States of America. Hugs to all the women getting screwed over by their own country. Supposedly a country of religious freedom so why is religion controlling it?
John Hackley 3 years ago (edited)
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Huh? I guess you're referring to the practice of killing our babies? Why would you think that allowing each state to make their own rules and regulations around baby killing means the Bible thumpers are now running the country? Are you totally incapable of rational thought?
Beowulf Norther 2 years ago
@ John Hackley calling it baby killing is a fringe religious stance, they aren't remotely a person when aborted. And your own religious text isn't remotely anti abortion, which was definitely a thing back then. It's from ONE line about the fine payed for injuring a pregnant woman, but they'll be executed if she dies.. specifically showing it doesn't consider the miscarriage a death. Catholics literally only became rabidly anti abortion a few decades ago and changed rhetoric. Even if you're a religious zealot who ignores science, facts, history and anything that challenges your limited worldview, don't go full flat earther with your blind nonsense. It's a basic liberty to allow women that right. The only people against it are coming from a religious stance..which the state has zero right enforcing and is a basic freedom granted by the constitution. If pork was banned, or hijabs were enforced youd throw a fit, or if they banned psychiatry for scientology, or any other cult besides yo
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh they don't agree with me, they must be *The Left!*"
Brenda Bunnell 2 years ago
It's a cheap shot to steer the whole conversation away from the topic and into politics. Also annoying to those of us who actually want to stay on topic.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago (edited)
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Good point. Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh what do you expect from a country that doesn't allow women to kill their babies, I mean having a say in what happens to their bodies. Yeah that's what I meant. And as Dave Chapelle says, "If you can kill this MFer, I can at least abandon him."
Mokayokok 3 years ago
I don't even think it should be on a State to State basis. If you're not a woman then really you shouldn't have any type of say on the matter if you're in any type of government office. It's none of your damn business what I do with my body and unless your a*s is going to carry this child you need to keep moving. I shouldn't have to come up with some valid excuse while begging to have the right to make decisions over MY OWN BODY. (That rant wasn't aimed at you, Joe Dirt - I'm speaking in general)
PKMN Trainer Devention 2 years ago
Not a woman, but very much have the ability to carry children. Reducing it to "only women get an opinion" isn't helpful.
Yehoshua Friedman 2 years ago
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The men should have to carry more responsibility for what they do to women. Women should also avoid sexual activity when they have not used means of prevention.
James McLeod 2 years ago
You state that the men should have to carry more responsibility yet you think that only the women should have to be celibate - it's NOT her choice so why is it HER responsibility? Unlike far too many men she doesn't have the option of bailing if she gets pregnant, she used to have the ability to make a very difficult choice to go through a medical procedure which can have serious physical and emotional ramifications for some women plus having to deal with the stigma and demonization by fundamentalists that don't understand their own Bibles but even that right has been taken. And most men will never even consider a vasectomy despite the fact that unlike a hysterectomy it's reversible so why is the burden all on her? Why shouldn't men who won't be responsible in any way, during sex or after it, be celibate too?
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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I agree, control your own body and pay your own way to do so. Don't expect someone to pay for it. With us thinking men can take a pill, have an operation and become a woman, if he feels like, we can no longer deny them to comment on this. F***d up but we can't have it both ways.
Amy Heller 1 year ago
Men can take birth control pills, but refused to because of the side effects. The same side effects that women deal with all the time. So, it's pretty obvious that the men are the problem.
James McLeod 2 years ago
So just ignore the fact that even after the hormones and surgery they'll never be able to carry a pregnancy? Men should have a say in what happens to women's bodies because they can become sterile women who will never understand or experience pregnancy themselves?
Unpopular opinions 2 years ago
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Problem is, it’s not your body. A basic science class would teach you this.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago
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Ok, then men should not have to support places that kill and then sell your dead baby parts, like Planned Parenthood, with our taxes. That's what you're saying right?
Darth Digital 2 years ago
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No one cares about your dirty body. The concern is for the unborn baby who has every right to be where it is. You don’t get to play god and kill another innocent body. Don’t act like a ho and it won’t be a problem.
Munchma Quchi 2 years ago
What kind of anti-American, authoritarian b******t do you believe in?? It should be the individual's choice, not the state's, asshat.
Brent Kaufman 2 years ago
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States rights doesn't make it a True democracy. I know this is old news to most but obviously not all. This country is not, never was, and the Constitution never claims it to be a democracy. It's a republic; that's regardless of state's rights or centralized power. And this is not a social issue to many people. It is a crime of murder. You may disagree with that, but it's only a social issue to those that want to do it. I agree, though, regarding things like marriage/divorce, and other such matters, that the government should stay out of it. And if it's not going to be illegal to kill babies, it should at least be a state by state choice.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Feel free to apply for citizenship to your choice of better country. It's only about $120. Small price to get out of the terrible country here. I know you'll love it wherever you go and they will love you,your feelings, opinions,etc.,
June Miller 2 years ago
FYI, there are many countries out there which are better, and you don't get to choose to live in them that easily. So many countries which actually ARE democracies, as opposed to claiming to be, and which have decent health care, education, housing, wage structures, infrastructure and respected police forces
A Random Anvil 3 years ago (edited)
Many people cannot even afford that. Plus extra costs for travel and intake. Why is this even a valid response to people saying that things need to improve?
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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So? If folks are so unhappy, then they should seek better. The founders did. Let your feet do the walking. They can save up the $2500 (it is not $12K; stop with the false info)
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
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I hear Iraq, Iran , especially Turkey and Syria are real good southern Africa maybe, let them please go
Tam StaR 3 years ago
Agree, but this point isn't to get fired up at the person ordering for not tipping because it seems like an easier target. If anything this should get you more fired up about working wages and the other things going backwards in this jacked up country from women's rights to healthcare. I'm just waiting for slavery to make a comeback.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
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Slavery is low information folks not understanding and the talking heads telling you how to think. We have choices in this country and anyone, yes ANYONE can CHOOSE to change their station in life by their CHOICES
June Miller 2 years ago
Yes, choices matter, but what about people who are in no position to make choices? The US is a country which takes away choice, by having oppressive policing, terrible health system, ridiculous education costs, almost non-existent wage regulations, etc.
James McLeod 2 years ago
It never really left, they just changed the rules. Now you have to become an inmate at a penitentiary to lose your personal autonomy but countless people are wrongfully convicted every year. That and now only states and private corporations that run prisons for states can become slave owners, not private citizens technically.
Brian G. 3 years ago (edited)
Slavery?? WTF! I bet you think slaves just appeared at the American white man's feet,huh. You want the ones who built slavery to pay. ..let's go there. Slave ships carrying slaves were of European origin and they sailed to many countries selling slaves. But,they didn't just Alacazam these slaves to existence!!! They bought them from their African Tribes whom practiced in selling their weak,lame,whatever tribes people they felt weren't what they wanted to these slaves ships!!! So,these people need to go back and ask repreations and sorry from their own people!! They got paid selling you. That's right,lets go to the source if your truly interested in your history. Or let me guess,you may even think 12 people on ship went and stole them against large,fearce,head hunting tribes. That makes sense,huh!! Your people sold you to Europeans,and America wasn't their only stop. So take complaints to the proper people, your own in the motherland. Because no American alive today owned slaves and pretty sure none of you now living were owned. Can't move forward if keep looking back. Do you even know your enslaved ancestors names or is this just your crutch to fall back on! If you truly care and are upset then go to the Real Starters of Slavery! The tribes who sold their own people! Americans wouldn't have had anyone to buy if they hadn't created the market-and remember, those ships didn't only come here
Venetia The Poet 2 years ago
You are forgetting about tribes who were murdered for their people or those who were going about their business who were murdered or made slaves, sent to another country, restricted to ghettos their land confiscated like the USA, South Africa. , Canada, and all of central and south America. You whites live on stolen lands that were built by PoC.
Bri Lancaster 3 years ago
How interesting, I didn't know slaves were sold by their own people.
James McLeod 2 years ago
That's cuz only some of them were. The reason so many black people are ripped is because slave owners selectively bred generations of slaves to be strong sturdy workers in the fields - between that and the fact that no one looking to buy someone else to do their labor the idea that these people were the sick, weak, and expendable of the tribes is obvious nonsense - no one is going to spend good money on someone else's throwaways. This is some guy trying to make it seem like white people don't carry any responsibility for the injustices that still carry on today.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
Most folks want to ignore this; most slaves were put into slavery by THEIR OWN people. Pick a country or any period in history and you will see some enslaved folks by their people or if their country was conquered. The spoils of war.
Stargazer66 2 years ago (edited)
@Lee Sanyos And the Europeans simply exploited it and made it a market. Before Slavery was simply a spoils of war, meaning the losing faction became slaves. But none of it excuses the European exploitation or the fact that the US condoned slavery for more than 200 years and the fact that systemic racism was built into the government and institutions thanks to Jim Crow laws after the Civil War.
Steve Smith 3 years ago
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If you don't like it, then move to a country that is more to your liking. Never understand people who prefer to sit and whine vs changing their situation.
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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Moving to other countries is not easy, not even close, so that is a stupid thing to say.
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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My reply was meant for @Steve Smith. The one who put the simplest minded, ignorant comment.
David Kramer 3 years ago
We will change it, Steve, by changing the system here. If you think leaving is the only option, then go, we won't miss you
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
Well with that mentality, we'd never have had emancipation (though not true freedom yet), women's rights, gay marriage and we'd still be sending little kids to the mines. Perhaps that's what you want.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
why dont you all go on strike? not only servers but also customers to support them?
Dawn Harris 2 years ago
Only 1, I don't think she got the job though. I could be wrong about that
Abby Not Normal 3 years ago
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Yep. Because that is a public health issue.
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
But individuals can choose to protect themselves by practicing social distancing
June Miller 2 years ago
The only social distancing which could protect as well as the vaccine would be total isolation, and there are not many people who live alone are grow all their own food!
A Random Anvil 3 years ago
What a silly thing to say. It's not even the same. Vaccines stop life-threatening infectious diseases, you don't have a right to spread them.
Stargazer66 2 years ago
No one was ever forced to get the vaccine. There have always been options. Wear a mask and test. Find another job.
Joe Dirt 3 years ago (edited)
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Funny the hypocrites of the democrat party want abortion rights but they don't want you to have a choice in regards to a b.s. vaccine, one proven to not even be effective in the first place. Typical hypocrisy from the commie left.
Kaiti Yoder 3 years ago
You mean the vaccine that can have an effect on whether you spread a disease to multiple other people vs an abortion that has zero effect on the population around you? Ah yes so hypocritical.
Hugo Santos 3 years ago
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Zero effect on the people "around" you, but fully effective on the person INSIDE you. My body my choice? It's not YOUR body. A baby is not a parasite you can just get rid of...
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
Until it's a pregnancy outside the womb where it literally becomes a parasite that will kill you .. read something jesus
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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Umm, my mother n law got the vaccine when it *first* came out & last year.... after Christmas she was sick & then all of us got sick. My body, *my* choice!!
DrGirlfriend 3 years ago
Do you understand why?? That happen?? Because people refused to vaccinate and the disease evolution over and over it continues to this day to have space to grow and chance this the continue spread of COVID.. ummmm let's read instead of ummmm spreading dumb a*s bs lies about why COVID continue to spread ... Didn't anyone take high school science!
girlsrock4ever 3 years ago
All the anti-vaxxers are probably homeschooled (no hate to other homeschoolers). Their high-school science was probably just that.
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
Most people who were hospitalized didn’t get the vaccine. But some had it. Most people hospitalized were not wearing masks. But some were. 100% of people who even got infected weren’t practicing social distancing. Vaccination and masking to social distancing is just like a contraceptive to abstinence. The former is mostly effective but the latter is 100% effective, while the former encourages more risky behavior
June Miller 2 years ago
It is impossible to practice social distancing 100%, unless you live alone, never leave your property, grow all your own food and are completely self-sufficient!
James McLeod 2 years ago
There was a massive upside though, although not enough to save the country. Although antivaxxers come from all kinds of backgrounds the refusal to wear masks, socially distance, believe in science or doctors, or practice the slightest bit of responsibility was almost entirely a 'red' stance with the greatest impacts in red states. Any loss of life is tragic but if I had to choose a hundred thousand Americans who wouldn't see their next birthdays the best possible outcome for America is for those hundred thousand to be Republicans.
Y.T. 3 years ago
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Ummm, did dr fauci tell you this? Because he's also full of sh*t, just as you are. And I'm pretty sure the "vaccine" that was supposed to PREVENT everyone from getting covid did not do that whatsoever. And people who got their 15 shots still got sick with covid including 'the big guy'. So spare me your bullsh*t, and instead of blaming people who were clearly smarter than you by skipping this/these shots, (since they clearly didn't really work as advertised), blame the sorry a*s pharmaceutical companies that promised you the world, made billions upon billions in profits, but didn't really deliver as promised. P. S. Don't forget to double mask before going to bed
Nicholas Selke 2 years ago
You didn’t get it because you socially distanced. The very thing most people forgot about as soon as everyone started wearing masks
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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Not lying. Just stating facts. Also; might want to change your username . You are anything, but a "doctor". 🙄
Shannon Dasher 3 years ago
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One last thing. You make NO sense. I read & reread your comment & still don't know where you coming from. I was just stating that the vaccine doesn't protect you. If you get sick (even after vaccination) the to people AROUND you can, get sick.
spirals 73 2 years ago
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We certainly let them have a say in what happens to the bodies they're carrying. We as American women have rights WE SHOULDN'T EVEN HAVE. Also this is a straw man argument. It's got zip to do with tipping.
Darth Digital 2 years ago
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No one gives a damn about your body and what you do with it. But if you act like a ho and spread your legs carelessly and find yourself pregnant, it’s no longer just YOUR body and you have no right to kill that innocent human life who has **every right** to be where it is. If you can’t deal with the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Sarah Chambers 2 years ago
If you are seriously thinking the only reason for abortions are women who spread their legs then stop talking. It takes two people to make a baby and I’m so tired of people with your mentality blaming it all on the woman. She didn’t impregnate herself. Also, people who get abortions don’t just use them as birth control. You guys believe only one thing about abortions and the people who get them and the reason behind them and you refuse to see anything from a different point of view.
June Miller 2 years ago
So true! Men shouldn't even be giving an opinion on this issue. But I guess people like Darth Digital are okay with men who rape, but want to penalise the victim. Not to mention they don't care what sort of life situation they are wishing these poor potential kids into.
James McLeod 2 years ago
Exactly, cuz Republicans are only pro-life until the moment of birth, after that death is your duty as an American. Cuz the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are only a minor consideration that take a backseat to the 2nd amendment and are only 'rights' if you can afford them - which they will not assist you with in any way. Can't afford to live cuz you can't buy food or afford your necessary medication then that's just too bad. Don't know if you'll survive the day in elementary school cuz some teacher told some kid something he didn't want to hear and he might show up with an AR-13, that's the price you pay to live in a 'pro-life' society.
Steve Smith 3 years ago (edited)
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Don't exaggerate, posting hysterical claims helps no one. And BTW, where was your "say in what happens to their bodies" mantra when folks were objecting to getting the vaccine!? A little hypocritical of you don't you think? "Oh, but that was different, that affected other people". But killing an unborn baby doesn't!? So much hypocrisy. Funny thing, I'm for Women having Safe Access to abortions. But you lose me at Partial-Term abortions... that's just sick.
John Maloney 3 years ago
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Let me kill my baby ! This has nothing to do with the story.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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You do know that you can apply for citizenship to one of the 3rd world countries he mentioned,don't you? I bet you'll love the ways their since ours are terrible here! I'm positive your feelings and views will be welcomed and fulfilled. I want to see you get your wish so much,I will personally pay your citizenship fees and 1 way flight there
hugh janus 3 years ago
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We dont let women murder humans unless they have a good reason* there I fixed it for u.
Philip Williams 3 years ago
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What happens to their bodies, like the right to kill their own children as often as they wish at taxpayers expense because of their right not to use contraceptives during recreational sex? I can see how this ties in brilliantly with people not tipping sometimes at your job. Mind blown, world view changed. I'm being sarcastic
Bland Voice 3 years ago
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Isn't Genital mutilation of boys still prevalent in America, you don't even let boys and men have a say in what happens to their bodies.
Sarah Whylly 3 years ago
Pretty sure that this is up to the parents and the trend now is away from circumcision. The sense of it is that we shouldn't do that to men without their consent which I wholeheartedly endorse. Women should also be allowed this kind of autonomy.
PKMN Trainer Devention 2 years ago
The point is that they can't consent to a procedure that can cause significant harm if done incorrectly and provides absolutely no benefit in countries with developed sanitary infrastructure.
C King 3 years ago
Have you actually heard a newborn baby boy cry from having a circumcision? I have, and it was the most awful scream I've ever heard produced from a humans mouth. That baby was my son and if I'm fortunate to have another one, it won't happen again. He was just born and my wife and myself made a decision that brought pain on to him. Now take that pain, and multiply infinitely, I believe you have almost every woman burdened with the choice, their choice mind you, about aborting a child.
Joe Dirt 3 years ago (edited)
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G Kionik, I agree the liberal left demonizes men in many ways like for instance "toxic masculinity" which is very sexist. See people do not really see how often woman are also very sexist towards men if not more often than the other way around.
Van Dyne 3 years ago
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Someone call grunt a waaaaaambulance. Women choose to 1. Have sex, 2. Not have sex. Killing an unborn child for convenience is just not acceptable to most people...GET OVER IT.
Tam StaR 3 years ago
This is the issue. We have this sob story about how she can't afford school for her kids on a liveable wage and has to rely on tips. No one is pissed the employer isn't paying her her worth, we're all upset that the person who doesn't have to pay a set amount in a tip isn't giving her what she needs to make it through life? The point this story is trying to make misses the f*****g mark and I'm pretty tired of having this pop up as a problem with people tipping.
Mary Rogers 3 years ago (edited)
Tam, I see people being upset about both issues. Yes they should be paid a living wage. But as long as we have a tipping culture, it isn't fair to penalize the worker by not tipping them. Especially when it is a large order, and the person can clearly afford it. Like in this example.
Dillon Sizemore 3 years ago (edited)
Nope because corp don't care if you don't tip and they will run through 10k workers a year to not pay more and you will always get some r****d and I do mean that in the literal sense. That will work for that pay because they feel honored to have the job. The best thing to do is contact who handles the calls/orders and blacklist poor tippers you don't have to not service them just give them service worth your pay be rude. If you think you need the job and are worried about losing it but don't make min. wage without tips you can find another job in a flat hour for the same pay.
Bri Lancaster 3 years ago (edited)
Dillon Sizemore No, you're targeting the wrong person. The government gets involved in everything, so they should pass laws obligating restaurants to pay their servers and everyone else at least minimum wage.
I Am LoKitty Of Meowsgard 3 years ago
The thing is, we all hear from people in the tipped wage industry and how much they make in tips, and a good majority bring home a lot, untaxed. If minimum wage was $15 an hour, no tips, is that going to be more than what they take home in tips? Especially since it will all be taxed. And then are they still going to expect tips. So then should it be $20 an hour? More? I understand that minimum wage is horrible, tipping should not be making up that pay. But the fact is, people make a lot more than $15 an hour with those tips, and they don't lose out on taxes.
James Baum 3 years ago
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A livable wage? Driving pizza? Gtfo of here. Those are highschool jobs
OokiiStaR 3 years ago
As Jay Son said below, and I agree, as long as you continue to tip, everyone is super complacent. The number of people commenting "what can we do, that's just our society" are the same ones who don't understand their power because they've been told that this is what it is and the placeholder is "until it changes" we can't do anything, so let's keep tipping. You have all the power in the world to effect this change. Here's a fresh idea. What if everyone stopped tipping. Do you think workers would stick around for $2.xx an hour? Or would businesses start to falter and this capitalist economy get its act together and say "if we don't pay them, they won't stick around." And then we can stop pretending it's the low/no tippers fault that we're enabling employers to pocket employee wages and keep them in poverty?
Linnea 3 years ago (edited)
That's a nice idea in theory, but how do you expect it to work out in practice? Maybe start a No Tipping group on Facebook, get the hashtag #NoTipping started on Twitter? OK, sure. If you put in the effort, and if you're savvy enough with social media, that could work. But even in the best case scenario -- even if you manage to get most of the American populace to go along with a coordinated No Tipping movement (a foolishly optimistic goal) -- how long do you think that would take? A few months at least, even in the absolute best case scenario. That's months of reduced wages for waitstaff & delivery drivers, as all of you in the No Tipping group attract more and more members until you have most of the American public on board. Months of reduced wages that these workers cannot afford. And again, that's the pie-in-the-sky, best case scenario. A nationwide boycott on tipping is simply not a realistic goal, and even if it was, it'd cause a lot of collateral damage to workers. Essentially you would be making them the proverbial frog in a pot of slowly boiling water: subjecting them to an extended period of steadily decreasing wages until they collectively decide that the financial pain is too much to bear and they all quit. That's not cool. Are you really going to feel good about yourself, denying hardworking people tip after tip after tip, hurting them again and again and again, under the rationale that "in the long run it's good for them?" Is that really the person you want to be? A much better way to help service employees would be to push for your state representatives to pass a bill eliminating the tipped minimum wage (which a few states have already done).
Magnus Eklund 3 years ago (edited)
Why aren't people allowed to discuss connected issues? People can read. They know the subject of the article. Edit: wow that came out very passive aggressive.
Rob Hynes 3 years ago
Because that's the job she signed up for maybe? She didn't have to do that job. That's why you get upset with the tippers. They're also fully aware of tipping, but the only reason not to give a decent tip is if the employee was a complete ahole or the tipper is. No, you don't have to tip. You also don't have to wash you hands if you get c**p on them but if you don't other people in the restaurant are gonna see c**p on your hands and give you a hard time about it.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Why don't we let the people not getting paid correctly or not getting what they think is a tip worry about what they should do to remedy their own situation! Why TF does all your opinions on it matter! Is your views on something that doesn't involve you or effect you in any way gonna get them what they need!! Why do people feel the need to post their problems to a bunch of people who don't truly give a rats a*s about what they're going through-ones that only want to respond with their B S. thoughts, agendas,yet nothing helpful to the poster!!! If people want your opinions they'll ask and if you are not going to actively do something in return to help,then STFU And people who feel they need to post everything because they feel their feelings or what they're eating for dinner is so noteworthy......has any post ever returned anything that resembled a way to help your situation. DOUBT IT,so why continue? And do you truly think your so special and important that all want to hear your life
Private 3 years ago
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No, the REAL issue is people never live within their means. They have low paying jobs and then go and have three kids! Why should I have to pay for your kids? I didn't have them! NOT MY PROBLEM!
Maggie Mykle 3 years ago
I don't know what your view is of my (our shared?) nation but America has plummeted to conditions below the average 3rd world nation. We Are A National Slum Ghetto With Nothing To Feel Pride In And It's Getting Worse.
Shehzadi Amal 3 years ago
The US is a third world nation with a Gucci bag. As long as it *looks* pretty that's all that matters.
HumanBeingFromEarth 3 years ago
Well the definition of worlds was made by first world countries including america so that is factually wrong… but politically correct.
Maggie Hood 3 years ago
Apparently America is one of the richest nations. Unfortunately none of that wealth is going to people who actually need it. All the wealth of our great nation belongs to corrupt rich people
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Did you know you can apply online for citizenship to another country for about $120. That way you can leave this terrible place for your dream destination.....maybe,Somolia,the Congo perhaps. Ijust know you'll love it and they'll love you and guarantee they'll listen, validate and fulfill all your thoughts and opinions. I believe so much that any criticizing America on this page ,I will pay citizenship fees and 1 way airfare!
Kaiti Yoder 3 years ago
Ah yes, because we should absolutely leave and force others to continue to suffer, rather than fix what is broken. Thoughts like that is exactly what has gotten America to the low point it is now at.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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If all you do is complain and put down America then Yes. Why should you stay,find your Shangri La. What is broke is this ,entitlement culture,that now can prefer teachers identify them as animals and teacher must comply. Feelings over Growing the hell up and thinking something like you not getting a tip is so important you should post for the masses because you're so important. And then all the thoughts, opinions, nothing of real value pour in with not 1 person positively doing anything to help this situation change for her. Others won't be suffering once your gone and your Democrat,left ways go with you. And what are you doing that is do actively fixing ?? Posting on Reddits?? Or are you one of the ones looting,burning, ya know fixing. Joke
Joe Dirt 3 years ago
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Well, we got gay pride now hahaha which is absolutely pathetic. But your right we got all these crazy flat earthers we never went to the moon nutjobs who have no pride in great American accomplishments.
Diane Knight 3 years ago
Re-read the story, she was delivering to the building AND to the floor, as well as set-up. The point person should have given her the $20 and she was on her way. She earned more by HAULING it up to the floor and set-up. Pay her! If this was a catering gig, there would have been at least $160 more beyond the food. When pizza delivery places provide a vehicle with gas and insurance on top of a decent wage, by all means drop the tip expectation, til then tip the people.
Bland Voice 3 years ago
Alternatively, why are pizza delivery places not providing vehicles and gas with insurance on top of a decent wage?
I Am LoKitty Of Meowsgard 3 years ago
I have a coworker who works at Pizza Hut party time and he said that they do. That is actually what the delivery fee they charge goes to. That's in Minnesota, I don't know about other states or pizza places.
spirals 73 2 years ago
Rent/mortgage has nothing to do with the job. Use of vehicle does. Based on your knee-jerk reaction, I'm gussing you're between 65 and 75. You sound exactly like my boomer parents.
Nikki Sevven 3 years ago
Believe me, most of us agree with you. Unfortunately, both parties are controlled by capitalism; they support corporations, not workers.
Alexander Louis 3 years ago
Yes, I agree. The problem is that private companies and organisations can afford to pay politicians huge sums of money via lobby groups. Without these groups you would have some chance of having decent conditions for the average person.
Mary Bridget 3 years ago
I always leave a 20% tip for anybody that does work for me. Whether it's a haircut or someone serving me food. I am a dog groomer and a lot of people don't realize how hard the job is and they don't leave a tip when you just spent 3 hours cleaning up their dirty dog while it's trying to bite you. I have a lot of great customers that leave large tips and I have other people that can only leave a couple dollars and I appreciate every single one of them.
HumanBeingFromEarth 3 years ago
But what about comparing a really kind employee that helps more and makes things clearer to a bad employee who is rude? Do you want both the employees to make the same amount? I’m not agreeing with the system, but not tipping also has cons.
Lydia 2 years ago
This - please stop making the customers the a******hole, just because they don't tip (enough). I work as a cleaner for a business. Customers pay business, business pays me fairly. Customers are a***hole if they are rude, or leave their sh****t in other places than in the toilet. But not for not tipping.... Be nice, say please and thank you, get me a cup of coffee and nothing more is needed.
Peeka_Mimi Premium 2 years ago (edited)
Yeah because us poors get listened to in Amerikkka. Yes this customer is an @$$hole for not tipping. You can afford $938, you can tip a proper amount.
Dawn Harris 2 years ago
They could have tipped $100, come on, it was an almost $1,000 order. What's another $100 gonna hurt??
Robert Courto 2 years ago
Don't even kid, if the companies paid a living wage to any of these people they wouldn't offer the service and you wouldn't pay the price. The only reason chain restaurants exist is because they can keep the wages low. And yes, if you order a thousand dollars worth of s**t and make the person lug it upstairs for you and set out, and you don't give them s**t, you're an a*****e. You give them what the service is worth to you. Read: what would you want/expect if you had to do this for someone.
Lee Sanyos 2 years ago
Just had this conversation with a friend of mine; decent wage, what is that? People can't read, can't write and can't count but want $25/hr, ok. What do I pay folks who actually have skills? The business could have charged a delivery and tip fee to such a large order. Common sense tells you that for big orders and many companies do that. Now, is it 18%, I don't think so but more than $20. On the flip side, you make it difficult for folks to live, maybe the person could not afford more than $20. Bad policies that negatively impact the lives of people will force folks not to be as generous. Rich people are rich because they don't callously give away their money; most of us try to be big shots and over compensate. A lesson to be learned about not throwing money around to feel important
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
You're right! They are more worthless than crusty old white dog s**t. I bet you're a worthless tipper also.
Phyllis Wright 3 years ago
The customer is the ahole for making the DELIVERY person also be the server and wait on them and help them. They bout ~1000$ worth of pizza they could tip way more than $20. I deliver and have had service jobs (and a professional career in electronics too) the ones who tip do so because they understand that someone left their home used their car gave their time hauled your product and are NOT adequately compensated in the name of keeping overhead down. Meanwhile the owners sit in their huge houses comfortably collecting profits AND a "delivery fee" that is not paid to delivery staff. Just more profit for the greedy boss who btw probably do not tip for their deliveries.
Polly Manson 2 years ago
I AGREE a tip isn’t mandatory at all … this person over her cal ilaying what they think they are OWED … a tip is a gratuity not a requirement …be glad they gave u anything at all…. I worked as a waitress and bartender and delivery person I was glad to be tipped at all let alone 5-10% and now people lose their damn minds if u don’t drop a quarter of the price of the meal on the person who drops it off to u ?? Tf?? Really?? Wow … entitled much? …. Sometimes when a family makes a large order it’s cuz they are treating themselves and can barely afford the bill and u want 18% on top of that for driving across town ? Wow … what if they had a budget in that order and only had the 20 too tip? it’s not their problem u can’t afford ur way of life… we are ALL struggling out here be grateful for what little is handed out at all cuz next time u might not get anything at all
James Baum 3 years ago
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The "tip culture" is a good thing for everyone. The employer can keep costs down, the customer can receive decent service because it falls on the server, and the server can get their pay based on the treatment
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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Pizza hut delivery drivers make an average of $15 an hour.
Jennifer Forshee 3 years ago
And they have to pay for their own gas and car expenses so it really don't work out to $15.
Jay Son 3 years ago
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Which is more than someone at McDonald's, where almost nobody tips...
Martijn Mollet 3 years ago (edited)
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You are clueless. You have no idea what you are talking about. See below. And shut up
Jef Bateman 3 years ago
I delivered pizza in Texas, and most people didn't tip at all. I once delivered to a guy who was in the process of moving into an apartment straight out of New York. He gave me a $20 tip, and I said, "Man, I can break this for you... it's a big tip." He said that in New York, the pizza would come two hours after he ordered it and the drivers would pitch a fit if they didn't get a good tip. This was quite a while ago--I know the tipping culture is escalating everywhere, so it is probably a little different now. However, I imagine a delivery driver who expects 18% is going to be pretty disappointed every place except New York.
Diane Knight 3 years ago
Even when I go to pick-up my order, I leave a small tip (not 18% mind you) but a few bucks, because I'm soooo thankful that someone else cooked (ha ha). And in the summer, my kitchen didn't get hot either, :p, jest saying
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Also, even though you didn't have table service, the waitstaff still took the order, made sure it came out correctly, packed it up with all the condiments and sauces and utensils and napkins that you might need, and (if you ordered over the phone or in person) processed your payment. Restaurant workers don't expect a full 20% for pickup orders, but a couple dollars, or maybe 10% on a large order, is appropriate and much appreciated.
Gregg Leventhal 3 years ago
You tip the dunkin donuts people? they do all that same stuff. Where does it end?
Gregg Leventhal 3 years ago
A place near me auto-tips when you order pickup 10% and you have to opt-out. I let them know I thought it was shady, and they didn't change much. 10% for pickup? Just pay your effing employees. Ridiculous.
Anonymous Poster 3 years ago (edited)
It's not your responsibility to pay a company's employees. It is the employer's responsibility not the consumer.
Sarah Ries 2 years ago
Yup! I asked Little Caesars where their tip jar was, cause i love their pizza and it is ridiculously cheap! Eventually, they brought out a tip jar and even added a tip option to the card reader. I made sure I tipped really high during the pandemic -- those workers literally had their lives on the line for us.
M 3 years ago
Yup I've lived in Manhattan for 22+ years (not rich, just got lucky on a lease), and I've never tipped less than 20%, unless there was a huge, malicious f*ckup. And if it's inclement weather, I'll go much higher. Riding a bike in the rain in midtown traffic is a gauntlet!
Enby Gilbert 3 years ago
Read it again. The driver never said she was expecting that. What she did receive was way too low. That's the point of the story.
Billie Maier 3 years ago
Well considering how expensive NY happens to be, I can understand it.
Olivia Marie 2 years ago
I usually leave a 15% to 20% tip! And sometimes more depending on the service!
Nick 3 years ago (edited)
Agreed! The worst is it is spreading into everything else. Your hire someone for a job and are supposed to tip. For example if I take a fishing charter I am supposed to tip the guide 20%?! WTF. They aren't making minimum wage. The are the owner. They make the entire profit of what I paid for the trip. Why do I then need to tip? Just charge me what you want for a service. Same with certain deliveries. They aren't making minimum wage, why am I supposed to tip them? The only one I understand is servers because they are screwed with their base pay. I don't agree with it. Just pay a better wage and charge a little more for my food.
Load More Replies... Dana Williams 3 years ago
I never tipped the captain of the boat. I tipped the bait boy (person). They did all the work.
Gutes Haar 3 years ago
Owners should not Ever expect a tip. Tips are for minimum wage workers. I agree though that it has gotten out of hand, when I am handed a machine where the lowest option is an 18% tip for a delivery or pick up, I just don't tip,sorry but it seems greedy and makes me angry. 10% is a good tip for pick up or delivery. Set that for the minimum and you are more likely to recieve a tip. Get greedy and you will find people who are broke themselves will not want to tip at all. What is the point of your 10% tip is seen as an insult or not enough?
April Adkisson 3 years ago
At the salon too- yo, you just charged me 85$ PER COLOR- almost 400$ in the end- I always tip my stylist but 18-25% tip is insane. (That’s what their purchasing program gave as tip options)
Lisa Morlan 3 years ago
I was always told it's an insult to tip THE OWNER of any buisnesd. But the employees that clean make food drinks serves you deserves a tip. I always tip I appreciate those few people out there still willing to work doing these jobs.
Rasheeda Pennybaker 2 years ago
No what I understand is drivers don't get enough pay and they are using their car ad their gas. That's why some pizza places started to add a $2 delivery fee so they can make sure that their delivery drivers gets something. Thats why they shorten how far they let them deliver.
William Christopher 2 years ago
The delivery fee does not go to the driver. Speaking from experience
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
All delivery drivers do not make way more than min wage. They probably make min wages. I worked for 1800GOTJUNK. They tell you, you get paid 20 an hour. It was a lie, they paid 15 an hour base pay and said we could make an extra 5 if we can get the customer to tip. So that tells me most delivery companies build it into their business plans
Lingerie De Paris 2 years ago
The one thing I was taught as a child is that the barber I used was the owner of the shop and you don't give the owner a tip. I really hate going into coffee shops and then expecting you to tip them to do their job when they are behind the counter making regular wages
Joshua Coley 2 years ago
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Dumb a*s point of view. Who owns PEETS COFFEE? Who owns STARBUCKS? Also, stop me if I'm wrong, but most barbershops are not owned by the people.cutting your hair. They are usually renting the building. Dumbass
Анна Сорокина 3 years ago
What's crazy is I am your neighbour to the north, and just because we must copy everyyyything you do, tipping culture is huge here, so I'm expected to tip 18% on an order to someone making 18 bucks an hour regardless of their service quality My American bf once tipped a Canadian waitress who was quite rude and useless to us, and to me in particular (and I am always incredibly friendly, and polite with everyone when I am out, I rarely to never have this problem with anyone irl) $10 - I was so upset he paid her to be rude to me, right away as walked away from the restaurant and I said "I cannot beeeeelieve you tipped that nasty woman" he said oh man youll never let me live this down, and we laughed so much because it was true. hah he was like, In America a ten dollar tip is an insult!, I insulted her!! I have never thought to give someone ten dollars, to insult them. Americans are wild.
De Nilla 3 years ago
People don't seem to realize that ALL tipped service workers have a minimum wage of $2. Even drivers for corporate pizzerias like Papa John's. It's not just servers getting raped
spirals 73 2 years ago
No they don't always. I've worked off and on in the service industry since 1993 and I never made $2. As a tipped server I made minimum.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago (edited)
Not all tipped employees have a $2.00 minimum wage, it varies state to state. Oregon for example does not have any exceptions to the minimum wage for tipped employees where as South Dakota sets their minimum wage at half the state minimum wage of $9.95 South Carolina follows federal guidelines that allow them to pay as little as $2.13 per hour as long as they make enough in tips to equal the federal minimum wage of $7.25. Nevada has a two tiered system where workers who don't qualify for health benefits get a minimum wage that is $1 higher than workers that do qualify but it is still a measly $9.00 an hour. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics 1.6 million workers, or 1.9% of all hourly paid workers earned at or below the federal minimum wage. 12% of hourly did service workers make the federal minimum wage or less, after food service workers, personal care occupations have the second highest rate of workers at our below federal minimum wage at 3.2%.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
If you don't want to tip feel free not to, also feel free to cook your own food at home. My personal rule of thumb is to tip 20% but that can vary based on service and circumstances from 0% to more than 100%. When the service sucks but the food was good I have gone to the manager and handed them a cash tip for the back of the house. Part of that may be passive-aggressive on my part but when the server complains that they had a table that didn't tip and then find out that person tipped everybody else, they and the rest of the restaurant knows that the server failed. But it also doesn't punish everyone downstream from that server.
spirals 73 2 years ago
My rule is $5 tip minimum if I can do it which I usually can. Even if it's a cup of coffee (in a sit down where I'm taking up a table, not Starbucks or whatever), $5. And if 20% is over the $5, of course whatever the amount. Why do I do this? I worked lots of service industry, lots of food. I was roomies with my friend long ago and she saw how exhausted I was, even being a 23-year-old. She said she started the $5 thing because of her compassion for me, way back in the '90s when $5 tip was a lot. I followed suit after she told me that because I respect her greatly and I agree with her. If I can't tip at the very least $5 or 15%, I should probably not go out. Fortunately, I'm in a position to eat out a couple times a month.
Ryan 3 years ago
Honestly, this is why I never eat out anymore. I know not everyone has the luxury to cook their own food, but I'm so done with it.
JohnD Davison 3 years ago
It's a trust thing for me. You wear a wrong color, just catch them pissed off at not making a wage liveable... Don't want my mind going there!! Ya know what I'm talking about...done.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
People that think the solution is not tipping the underpaid employees is even worse!
Mallory Hemminger 2 years ago
So since tipping is BS, I hope people don’t find out who you are, or I guarantee your next dining experience, or all of them from here out, is going to suck. I mean why should someone make sure things are done right, food is served hot drinks are good etc, if you’re not going to tip. It’s not going to hurt the servers feelings, it’s probably going to be nice to not have to kiss someone’s “entitled a$$” and have fun at your expense!
AndyBloke 3 years ago
Delivery people expect tips proportion to the value of the item they deliver? If the Amazon driver delivers a package you paid $400 for, do you tip them $40? Do you tip the USPS person 5 cents for each bill they deliver?
Beans 3 years ago
It's different for food apps and its different when you have to unload, unpack, and set up the food. She shoulda left it there and gone tbh.
Load More Replies... James G. Currie 3 years ago
Heh...sounds like what happened to a friend of a friend many a year ago... The gent was driving a delivery truck, arrived at a company in an industrial park, and asked where he was supposed to deliver. Security called someone out, they took the guy into a building, down a short hall, down a flight, up a flight, then at a hole in the wall into another room with the floor 3-4 metres below, pointed to a shelving unit that had a 2x6 stretched from the shelf to the "doorway," and the guy said deliver to the shelf. The friend of my friend looked it over, thought about the pain of lugging hundreds of kilos of bulky stuff up and down stairs, and across the gap on a piece of unsecured lumber. Said "okay," and they went back to unload. He unloaded to the ground beside the truck, and had the guy sign the paperwork. He then told the guy to have a good day, and drove off. -- As soon as the guy signed the paperwork, he accepted a) delivery, and b) responsibility.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
in my country you would agree in advance for the heavy item that you want it delivered to a particular floor. then the company would charge you based on how heavy the item is ( if one or more ppl are needed to unload it) and based on how many floors they have to walk.if no agreement they will unload it next to your front door and that is it. no tips. just the price you agreed upon
Jay Son 3 years ago
How is it different? If I'm getting a new dishwasher delivered and installed, or when I spent 7,000 on a split AC unit, those guys weren't even allowed to accept a tip from their boss because they are paid well. There's no reason it shouldn't be the same for food delivery. The employer has to pay for them to work, and if that means increasing the cost of food, then so be it, but that's not what they want simply because they're afraid to get less profit.
Karina Carr 3 years ago (edited)
It's different because food delivery drivers are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips just like servers and restaurants. Also, food delivery drivers have to use their own car, pay for their own gas, etc. Therefore it actually costs the money to do their job.
Suzanne Degrace 3 years ago
Its wrong and inconsiderate sure they used a company card. sShe packed it all into her car and then drove with her own gas and delivered it all up there and they spent 938 and they couldnt give her a proper tip. This is not the first story I have heard like this were a big order worth 900 or so more gets delivered and the driver doesn't get more then 20.It is wrong.
Mose1 3 years ago
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It's pizza hut, not doordash, she was in a company van, using company paid gas. Any expensive orders like this have gratuity added. If the company paid with a card, then they tipped with it too. The 20 was a bonus.
Susan Farley 3 years ago
Most pizza delivery drivers DO NOT use a company vehicle, despite the fact that they're an hourly employee of the restaurant!!! Most use their own personal vehicle and pay for all of their own gas/car insurance. And how do you know that all pizza joints automatically add a gratuity onto large orders?
Kathleen Peek 2 years ago
At Waffle House we get no gratuity added on orders except carry out/ to go and that is 10% for the server and 10% for the supplies. And there are some people who complain about that!!
Karina Carr 3 years ago
Nope. They use their own cars, pay for their own gas and get paid less than minimum wage.
Scott Logan 3 years ago
Pizza is rarely delivered in company Van's unless it's a dedicated catering service.
Nicole Kosanke 2 years ago
Have you never had a pizza delivered? They don't have company cars. The delivery drivers use their own cars and their own gas.
virgin metal 3 years ago
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is it tho? or is it an excuse
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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She didn't have to unpack and set up the food. Even if she did ... how much of her time did she spend? I'll bet it was less than an hour. So she get's paid at least $15 an hour (look it up) and then gets $20 on top of that ... she was paid $35 an hour to deliver some pizzas.
Julie C Rose 3 years ago
And this is why every time American corporations try to bring tipping culture into New Zealand, both left wingers and right wingers tell them to get f****d.
Bayou Billy 3 years ago
It's funny how new Zealand the Dutch and other scandy nations all do better than all of us. But you gotta pull us kicking and screaming along progress Avenue every few decades... Funny that.
Leonardo Kinach 3 years ago
It is because they focus on made up problems instead of making education better and more accessible, so that more people can move to better jobs
Klaus Davey 3 years ago
And who is going to run food orders, make food, stock shelves at stores, run check outs, pick up trash, clean restrooms, etc? There aren’t that many good jobs out there and society would literally f*****g fall apart if there weren’t people working in places like retail. Telling people to get a better job when those better jobs are very far and few does not fix the issue. It ignores the issue.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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Why does everyone these days seem to have someone else to blame for their problems. Take some accountability for yourself! I'm sure everyone has made perfect choices and headed down perfect path....then Wham their arch nemesis "EDUCATION ACCESOR","COPS","WHITE PEOPLE",ETC., jumps out and starts putting holes in their path!! So pathetic and so many feel they would be on top,if big sugar,etc, hadn't stopped them.
ButterflyMcQueen 3 years ago
No because they don't stick around long enough to receive a tip. In the Bay Area they chuck your package in the vicinity of your door and leave asap
Jennifer Reding 3 years ago
They do that because they are expected to deliver a ridiculous number of packages in the time allotted. I know because I had a BF that was a UPS driver. He said the pay and benefits were good but they had to hustle as fast as possible if they weren't going to be stuck delivering packages late into the night.
Rahul Pawa 3 years ago
For food deliveries, I'd say it's more about quantity than value. $900 has gotta be around 75 items. That's a ridiculously huge order. Maybe for pizza delivery, tip $1 per item instead of percentage of price? Speaking as a former pizza delivery driver, I'd be happy with that.
Billie Maier 3 years ago
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75 item that are light and easily stacked. But even if it was 75 2-liter bottles it would still take less than an hour to deliver them. Pizza hut already pay their drivers an average of $15 an hour plus mileage. a $20 tip for an hour long delivery puts their pay at $35 an hour.
Jessica Olson 3 years ago
Yeah maybe if she dropped it at the sidewalk, when somebody delivers two pizzas to my door they don't have to unload it at my kitchen table...
Mahogany Eclipse 3 years ago (edited)
Except they are being paid a living wage by their employers. They may also have health insurance, retirement benefits, etc.. food industry workers such as wait staff and delivery drivers most likely do not have this.
Arose Erein 3 years ago
Delivery drivers for USPS get paid a decent wage, have benefits and are paid milage for gas and some are even provided vehicles with free repair. Delivery drivers for packages and such are not the same to fast food workers, it's a much different world as i have worked in both industries.
Pamela lamb 3 years ago
Amazon pays decent pizza places do not most restaurant make almost nothing so... Therefore amazon drivers don't need the tip like a person working as pizza deliverers
Br3 3 years ago
As a former FedEx driver I have been tipped a quite a few times from customers. Those customers and the ones that said thank you or offered drinks and snacks during summer months made the job worth it.
H.D. Kirkland, III 3 years ago
Amazon drivers are paid much more than Pizza Hut drivers, or any other food delivery driver, and also their gas isn't fully compensated, nor any type of repair to their own personal vehicle. So yes, tips are how they make their living. It's people who say dumb things like "go to a third world country" and don't tip that will inevitably have to wait much, much longer for their food or get a nice spit whad in your order when it's known how cheap you are
Rebecca Bryson 3 years ago
Delivery drivers in MA average 6.00 an hour.. Amazon drivers make much more than that and many Amazon employees get benefits.. They are two different animals. So.. yeah your argument is illogical.
Karina Carr 3 years ago
This is specific to food delivery. They don't get paid a reasonable hourly wage. Just like servers, delivery drivers are paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips as their income. They also have to pay for their own gas/vehicle expenses, so every delivery costs them money.
James G. Currie 3 years ago
I do know that even today, many USPS drivers on regular routes received a LARGE amount of gifts / "tips" if you will every year, especially around Christmas. I heard of one guy regularly received almost a quarter of his salary from his "customers" each year. In areas where private companies pick-up residential trash, tips are a regular thing too...
Brian G. 3 years ago
They should have their little business taken away. USPS& FED EX are the most incompetent group I've ever seen!
gracefullikeagazelle 3 years ago
Agreed. The major delivery companies are incompetent, unprofessional and unreliable.
Enby Gilbert 3 years ago
That what tipping has always been, and Amazon isn't set up for tipping. Get a clue.
Rebecca Bryson 3 years ago
The average wage at Amazon is 24.00 an hour.. 4X more than a delivery persons wage.. on the low end of Amazon pay its 15.00 an hour .. USPS drivers are govt employees..they get not only very good pay they also get a full benefit and retirement package.. Your ignorance is mindblowing
Brian G. 3 years ago
USPS IS NOT PART OF US GOVERNMENT!!!! Why don't people know this. Yes they enjoy federal benefits,but are not part of Government.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
The United States Postal Service (USPS), also known as the Post Office, U.S. Mail, or Postal Service, is an independent agency of the executive branch of the United States federal government responsible for providing postal service in the United States, including its insular areas and associated states. It is one of the few government agencies explicitly authorized by the United States Constitution.
Richard Anderson 3 years ago (edited)
The USPS is often mistaken for a state-owned enterprise or government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak) because it operates much like a business. It is, however, an "establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States", (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is controlled by presidential appointees and the postmaster general. As a government agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in a unanimous decision "The Postal Service is not subject to antitrust liability. In both form and function, it is not a separate antitrust person from the United States but is part of the Government....
Richard Anderson 3 years ago
I guess that is why people don't know that the USPS is not part of the US government, because it is part of the US government.
Marvelous Rex 3 years ago
You are making a large, clearly uneducated assumption that all USPS drivers are full time. Every single route has a part time employee who works it at least one day a week, as well as covering when regulars are on PTO/sick/etc. They get NO benefits whatsoever and rural carriers provide their own vehicles. They get a very small per diem but rural delivery is EXTREMELY hard on vehicles. The transmissions/brakes/suspension/even frames barely last a year or two when you make as many as 650 stops in a single day. Add to that, rural routes are paid on evaluated time, and they are constantly trying to screw over the carriers. They will do the count in March, during the least hectic time of the year, and do everything they can lower counts, knowing full well that when the weather is bad and the packages quadruple in Nov/Dec, they may have to work 2-3 hrs extra with no OT.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
Do Amazon drivers have to pay for the gas themselves too... just asking.
Karen Gardner 3 years ago
I drove for Amazon exactly once. Amazon paid me $30 to make four grocery deliveries that included cases of soda and laundry detergent (read heavy sh*t) Drivers have to scan and load all items at the warehouse. They unload and scan again upon delivery to the clients door. Drivers use their own cars and pay for gas, repairs and insurance. Just an FYI.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
Mail and package delivery are not luxury services. If uou don't understand something, why comment on it?
AndyBloke 3 years ago
I think Amazon is very much a luxury service, and I commented because I don't understand it - it's a crazy concept to most of the world.
AndyBloke 3 years ago
"A pizza your only paying for the delivery" ... exactly. I pay for delivery. Pizza, DVD player, timber ... I pay for delivery, it gets delivered, the delivery charge covers the costs of delivering the product (including the fuel, obviously!). £2 to save me the 16 minute walk to the pizza place and back. If I ordered 4 pizzas delivery would still be £2. £14 to deliver 1 sheet of timber, or still £14 to deliver 12 sheets of timber...
Brian G. 3 years ago
I believe packages are,especially when binge ordering Amazon for wants not needs! Don't correct people when you're not correct because you failed to acknowledge different deliveries can be sub categorized as wants and needs and not being as smart as you say you are to realize a delivery for a want is luxury. SuperBrain
Jus 3 years ago
This is crazy. I live in Europe. I order my food and pay for the delivery online. I give no tips to the driver, it's his job, he did nothing special and the food is lukewarm anyway. In a restaurant I will give 10% if I'm very happy with the service. It's considered good manners, but optional. 18% tip for pizza?? Absolutely CRAZY. Pizza is fast food.
Jay Son 3 years ago
18% is actually considered on the low end nowadays. Many times, the suggested tips on a receipt (goes too show how it is expected) is often 18%, 20%, and 22%. Some restaurants even list a 25% tip suggestion on the receipt. Oh, and if you come with a party of 6 or more, expect to have the tip already included to the bill and still have a line available to give even more. It's disgusting, honestly.
Load More Replies... Beth Kostrab 3 years ago
But your country probably pays delivery people a better wage than we do in the US.
iseefractals 3 years ago (edited)
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In romania, no one tips. No one expects to be tipped, food service earns minimum wage, which after taxes, health care and other deductions you end up with $400per MONTH (after the very recent minimum wage increase) or if you work 10+ hours a day, 6 days a week you MIGHT bring home $600, again per month. Because HALF of all your pay goes to the government. This is on par with most of the countries in the EU, half of everything you make is taken by the government, and cost of living varies wildly.
April Adkisson 3 years ago
Do you actually get services back for all those taxes? My partner is from Iceland and (15year ago anyway) they got taxed .25$ out of every $1 essentially- but they also got a lot back out of it…. Just curious
Fair Sparrow 3 years ago
In my country we tip 12% and 15% if we're happy. visited Romania half a year ago, and everyone seemed surprised with tips for sure. The service was great tho.
Vladimíra Matejová 3 years ago
exactly as jus says. in my country most of the ppl just round the sum. so she would get 2€tip in this case. you should go on strike. tip is optional for extremely good service not a default
April Adkisson 3 years ago
Yeh- Europe has a better handle on it- pay your servers and include tax in the INITIAL price- not slap you with that c**p after the fact.
Dxxs89 3 years ago
Mostly same, but I pay when I am getting order and do tip person who delivers my order if it is really big or weather is shitty (heat, heavy rain, snow etc). I usually round up to the closest 5 or 10 xD do the same in Taxi. In restaurant I try to go with 10% if service is good, so not always. And definitely not in fast foods xD
Martijn Mollet 3 years ago
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You don't know what you are taking about. This happened in the USA, not Europe. So shut up
Angel Segarra 3 years ago
He does know what he is talking about. You don't get what he is saying. The wages are reasonable there and the Employer pays the employee, not the employer has 'self-employment' contracts to list employees as independent contractors.
Bekaroo 3 years ago
The reason average folks tip and pay better than richies is because average people have usually worked some of these crappy service and food industry jobs. We know they don't pay enough and the only way for these folks to make a living is through tips. And these jobs are HARD. One hour dealing with customers, especially in food service, is way more energy than an hour working at your desk in many cases. The fact that these types of jobs are the lowest paid is just ridiculous to me.
Leonardo Kinach 3 years ago
The thing is that pay is based around the amount of people that can do the job, not how hard it is. You can get a gorilla to do hard work for you, but working at a desk requires education
Load More Replies... Bekaroo 3 years ago
Tell that to my high school diploma and the desk job I've had for 10+ years. This is the future, if you can read, you can learn new skills on the internet and avoid tens of thousands of dollars in student loan debt. Very few "gorillas" in the service industry my friend, hope that wasn't some gross racist/classist remark. People work service jobs because they are 1) the only ones available 2) the only ones flexible enough to accommodate their schedules or 3) they started working in the service industry because of the previous reasons and now don't have the time/energy and/or can't make enough money to escape the low-wage work trap they're in.
Id row 3 years ago
"In the United States today, there’s an expectation to leave a generous tip regardless of the service." Regardless of service? No, there's not. Bad service means a bad tip. I was in the service industry for 9 years, the expectation of a generous tip for bad service is not a thing, unless you're delusional and entitled as hell.
MysticMerman 3 years ago
"Bad service" is not always the fault of the one providing service. The "face" of the business has to rely on cooks, managers, traffic (in the case of delivery drivers) and several other variables that are often out of their control. Unless the service provider is unnecessarily rude or careless, I always leave a healthy tip to help make up thr difference of people like you.
Load More Replies... SPQRBob 3 years ago
Agreed. Bad service isn't "my steak was overcooked/undercooked, this fish tastes 'fishy', etc." unless you are expecting your server to bust out a knife and fork and take a bite before they bring your food to you! Their role in providing good (or crappy) service is all about how they handle making it right for you.
Sarah Ries 2 years ago
Agree. Left a hefty tip for a young waitress who accidentally spilled a pitcher of ice water in my lap. From the time we were seated, we heard her being berated by an a-hole customer. I can't imagine having to work through that. I only wish I had gotten in that customer's face.
Brian G. 3 years ago
I live in the U.S., and I only expect what my employer pays me and only for what I earn. I live by....if someone is paying for my work,then I better be f*****g working. Give 100% everyday because I wouldn't want them changing my pay for me performing less. I know my duties and work to fulfill those and if I don't then I nullify my acceptance of job and its duties. Explain that in your U.S. knowledge. I think they should pay all on sliding scale,if you are less than 100 every day,then they should lower your pay with performance. You expect 100 of your pay no matter if you half a*s,whole a*s,or are just a j*****f. Even though you were informed of job requirements before saying Yes to employment and what compensation is for doing job(which means fulfilling the ALL duties of position)which you're informed. I doubt many of you do 100 of your duties daily-how would you like business not giving 100 of your wages since you failed to meet your obligations. Take what you agreed to and be happy
Brian G. 3 years ago
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You agreed to said wage. If it didn't sound like a wage you felt was correct,then you should have negotiated this or declined position. What do you all think interview and orientation process is for!! Don't agree to said wage then p**s and moan about said wage. There are an ABUNDANCE of jobs do to lazy a*s people who think their entitled to do nothing for 20+ an hour while they live off government funding. Or start protests over s**t they really give 2 f***s about. They're just doing it to try and get undeserved compensation so they can keep living their purposeful life of sleeping till 1 in afternoon only to wake up,beat their spouse,then go slang dope,protesting having to live by rules others do without issue because they shouldn't have to follow law that all others do. So this great lifestyle earns what must be an attractive wage of next to nothing. But they don't want to go do a task in turn for compensation like others and be productive member of society.
Brian G. 3 years ago
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So stand up,go protest your wages because you all think that laying around,looking for way to get paid doing nothing because you're waste of space life looks great. Instead of the so much harder task of applying for a job that compensation meets your expectations and you in turn meet the expectations of the job
Brian G. 3 years ago
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As for you Abortion Loving brainless f***s. Grow the f**k up,if your going to be grown-up enough to have sex,then have brains enough to know that if you don't take precautions that you may become pregnant. If that's not what you want,protest to yourself that maybe you shouldn't be doing that!! You're body,you're choice!! You chose to let c**k into your body....but keep going don't shorten to fit your dumbass. And you're such a dirt leg moron that you didn't know thats how babies made. Guess what they babies body you created because of you neglegibility has no choice. So,why should you be heard-why don't you try hearing how to take precautions against being ho. Just think,if your mother would have felt that way,then we wouldn't hear how you don't know how to not to be a stupid a*s by choice with your body! We all wish your mothers would have had an abortion. I bet you're all self righteous bitches who complain about prostitution!! What,mad they know how to be self made
Nathan Fritts 2 years ago
I hear the word "entrepreneur" and the next word that comes to my mind is "whore." Go F yourself, Brian G.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
Tipping only $20 on a $938 order, is beyond stingy. Regardless of whether the delivery person relies on the tip, because the pay is so poor.
Becca Hauck 3 years ago
I'm curious if you also feel that people shouldn't get fast food unless they tip the workers? Delivery drivers get minimum wage, mileage, and tips from most people. They work half as hard. Fast food workers get minimum wage no matter how much food is ordered and how hard they work.
Load More Replies... Michael ONeale 3 years ago
His point was the same as OP that tip is just plain insulting...while workin for a moving company me and two others had a 10 hour day and still had two hour drive back...the guy gives us 20 buck to split between three guys...slap in the face...not even seven bucks a guy...normally the amount doesn't matter but I almost told to keep it he needs it more than us.
Nick 3 years ago (edited)
This is one of those tips creeping into everything else. Don't get me wrong I tip my movers BUT you don't make $2.50 an hour like a server does. You get paid a normal wage, albeit may be shitty. It's still a normal wage above minimum. Why am I tipping on top of a service I paid for? Your tip isn't taxed like a server as part of your wage, it's solely extra, and for what?! Doing the job you are already being paid to do.
Trixi Black 3 years ago
Is that not their job though. It requires physical labor. You have created a company specifically to take on that labor. I didn't pull you off the street and force you to move my belongings. I called your business that you've deliberately created for this situation, set an appointment, and paid for the service. Where does tipping come into this? You've done your job and I've completed my contract with the agreed compensation.
Becca Hauck 3 years ago
It's not the same at all. Moving furniture is hard work. Delivering pizzas, even many pizzas, is not hard at all. I've delivered pizzas. I've moved my own household repeatedly. If you're making $30 for 30 minutes of work that requires no skills or hard work at all... You're not being screwed or insulted.
David Peters 3 years ago
Living in California I have started tipping based on time spent on me since they are already making $15/hr or more while working. Why should I give someone $20 for 15 minutes of their time or $80hr. You see people all the time on Facebook offering yard work for $25/hr and people complain it's to expensive yet they will tip a server $20 for 5 minutes of their time.
April Adkisson 3 years ago
And there’s the entitlement- you get paid to do your job- tips are just frosting- go move some boxes.
Awsomemom52 3 years ago
In fact yes! I am German and here, even part-time employees get the minimum wage, have health insurance through the employer and are entitled to paid vacation! Tipping service staff, or suppliers is not even expected, but not unusuall. I always tip if the service/food was good, or the food delivery was extremely quick, or a package is extremely heavy and the delivery person is kind enough to bring it to the door.
ralph longo 3 years ago
Only someone who has never delivered would say store based delivery was easy, the reality is that to be good at it is brutal. 30k hard miles a year, running into and out of the store to keep times down, being out in all sorts of weather conditions. The companies disrespect the position so the drivers that have stayed don't overwork themselves, but good drivers bust their asses. When cooks would become drivers they were always terrible at first, until they realized they didn't see it right, it's way harder that you think it is. Than most people think it is, apparently, because I see a lot of comments in here that don't have any clue about store based delivery. Gig work is way different, a much slower pace, store based is brutal.
Thomas Gaster 2 years ago
When I was a delivery driver, over a decade ago, I made less than minimum wage, and bought my own gas, and paid for the wear and tear on my car. And other costs like insurance, which raised my rates a ton because I was using my car for work. The next time you shop insurance, look at the price, and then check the box that says "driving this vehicle is a significant part of my job" or something simar and see how much it goes up
Diane Aguilar 3 years ago
Becca, I've gotten fast food delivered to me at my house and I've TIPPED. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It's different if you're picking it up at the fast food restaurant vs. having it conveniently delivered to your home, and if you wouldn't be ok with tipping ANYONE for a food delivery then DON'T GET FOOD DELIVERED.
iseefractals 3 years ago
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I'll preface this by saying i always, always always over tipped. Spend $25 on pizza delivery? $10-15 tip depending on whether i was broke or not. Cab drivers would get $10 tip on a $10 fare and waitstaff would almost always get at least $15 on a $30-35 bill (provided the service was good, of course) We tipped our movers $100 apiece. But this expectation that anyone deserves 15-25% of any order regardless of how large it is, is insane. There was a thread somewhere in which a guy ordered a $300 pull of some fancy scotch on his birthday, and everyone was dragging him because he only tipped the bartender $20 when they DESERVED to get $75. I'm not defending the a$$holes that gave this woman a $20 ($50 would have been appropriate) but expecting to get $100, let alone $170 for delivering an order of food is beyond entitled.
Crene 3 years ago (edited)
US tipping culture still and will probably continue to make zero sense to me. Though I agree with most of what u said but calling them a$$holes doesn't seem right to me. It's really ridiculous and disheartening to think that waitstaffs in the US have been forced to expect and sometimes demand tips because their means of livelihood majorly depends on them. I truly hope things get better for them
Load More Replies... Becca Hauck 3 years ago
Delivery drivers get minimum wage plus mileage plus tips. When I delivered pizza, I also got $3 medium pizzas and $5 large made any way I cared to make it, including deep dish. I made decent money without anyone tipping me 18% or more. And yes, wealthy people tip almost nothing.
iseefractals 3 years ago
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20 years ago when all my friends and i were working in Restaurants, being waitstaff was the dream. You could make $500-$1000 (or more if the stars aligned), in cash, unreported working a single weekend (and still pull in $150-$200 weeknights) because places would only schedule 2-3 waitstaff to cover 60+ tables and those tables were all filled almost every night. They never complained about their hourly, or hours. It depends on the individual restaurant and the customers that frequent it.
Sheyanne Valiante 3 years ago
Just some quick mental math has this girl carry like 2/3 dozen pizzas and appetizers, it's not exactly the same as one item costing a third of the bill. And it was a company party so it was definitely the company card, why short someone who literally made your party possible?
Om 3 years ago (edited)
but why didn't she just unpack at the entrance of the building and leave? why isn't Pizza Hut and the likes paying them enough so they don't have to depend on tips. For me, a tip should be something extra, a reward for a good job that goes beyond their duties, not something employees are counting on to survive.
Pamela lamb 3 years ago
I believe she should have at least got $ 100.00 but , OK 150.00 but , I agree with OP company credit card......write it off...tight wad
iseefractals 3 years ago
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Why? What logic do you use to arrive at the conclusion that someone who spends at most 20 minutes driving food that someone else prepared to it's destination, another 5 minutes actually unloading and handing the food off is deserving of $150? Or even $100? That's $2-$300+ an hour. People spend 10's of thousands of dollars, and 7 (Or more years) to become a lawyer and many don't make HALF that much. The people making that food work a hell of a lot harder, in much worse conditions for about the same money, yet everyone just expects that because you deliver food, and only food from one place to another, it merits being given a % of the bill regardless of how large. I'm happy to give someone 10-15 bucks on a $30-$50 food bill, everyone should be. That doesn't mean anyone should be UPSET that they didn't get $150+ tip for 30 minutes of work.
Elena Schnaible 3 years ago
This woman brought everything up and set it up for them , so they could enjoy their order. That's worth more than $ 20...$100 would be more appropriate. Personally I would have gotten paid first before doing anything...for the $20 tip they could take it off the elevator themselves. But that's just me...you get what you pay for .
LilliVB 3 years ago
I get that the problem is the tipping culture, it's the owner that have to pay a living wage and all of that...That said, until the USA are going to change their laws about wages, there will be always bosses that don't pay a living wage in the food industry, and people working there unfortunately have to rely on the generosity of the tips that they get. So, keep trying to change what the real problem is, but keep on tipping too, because it's not the employees' fault that the tipping culture is still so strong and necessary in their field
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