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Woman Accused Of Embarrassing Her Friend For Telling About A Law She Didn’t Know About
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Woman Accused Of Embarrassing Her Friend For Telling About A Law She Didn’t Know About

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Recently, Reddit user Ok-Tower7381 and her wife were invited to join their friend on a trip to the Middle East. One problem, though: the destination country says women have no right to be together and has developed a legal system to punish everyone who disagrees. Naturally, the couple said no. However, the friend didn’t get why they would refuse and interrogate them until she got a straight answer, which, the woman claimed, was delivered in a disrespectful manner. Thus, an exchange that should’ve been only a few messages had blown up completely out of proportion.

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    And when you have a friend like that, every once in a while, you have to bring them back to reality

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    The consequences of such a trip going wrong could be extremely severe

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    According to the Human Rights Watch, at least 67 countries have national laws criminalizing same-sex relations between consenting adults.

    Legal sanctions against same-sex conduct vary in scope and application. In some countries, only specific sexual acts are punished, while in others, the laws are more general, vague, and open to interpretation.

    Sentences range from fines to life imprisonment and even the death penalty. In some countries, the laws are rarely enforced (but nonetheless have severe consequences for LGBT people, serving to justify discriminatory treatment and impeding LGBT people’s access to employment, health services, and police protection), but in others, law enforcement agencies aggressively pursue and prosecute people suspected of being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender.

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    As the author of the post mentioned, many countries only criminalize same-sex relations between men. However, at least 38 criminalize same-sex conduct regardless of sex or expressly criminalize sexual conduct between women.

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    At least 10 countries have, since 1986, explicitly enacted laws that criminalize sex between women as well as men, sometimes perversely portraying this as a gesture toward equality.

    Now, the couple probably could join their friend on her trip, but they would not be able to show any public signs of affection or do anything that would suggest they’re in a relationship.

    There might be some value in such a journey. Rajiv Desai, a gay Berlin-based diversity, equity, and inclusion practitioner, who has lived in India, the USA, and the UAE, admits that traveling for LGBT people is challenging but says it also helps to better understand how queer people navigate and survive in places that are against them.

    “There is something to be said about visiting those countries and seeing the communities that live there (and) getting to know them,” he explains. But of course, if the Redditor and her partner don’t want to do that, they shouldn’t have to justify themselves.

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    Most of the people who read the woman’s story believe she did nothing wrong

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    But a few think she could’ve handled the situation better

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    Rokas Laurinavičius

    Writer, Senior Writer

    Rokas is a writer at Bored Panda with a BA in Communication. After working for a sculptor, he fell in love with visual storytelling and enjoys covering everything from TV shows (any Sopranos fans out there?) to photography. Throughout his years in Bored Panda, over 300 million people have read the posts he's written, which is probably more than he could count to.

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    Lyone Fein
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying that OP is the AH are really going off the deep end. How can someone not be aware of laws that carry the death penalty in a country where your family has a house?

    Zoe Vokes
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t mind ignorance but the correct response is, “sorry I didn’t know,,” rather than getting upset and blaming others.

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    Miriam Insidecor
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's nothing wrong with answering a direct question with a direct response.

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I possess all the simplicities, including that of brusqueness." - Nero Wolfe

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    LongFang
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP was not blunt, just straight forward. My ex is from north Africa & is homophobic. Anna's a donut.

    KrazyChiMama
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate to say it but I’d have said no too and I’m not gay! I have no interest in visiting a region in the world that still sees women as mere property of their fathers then husbands.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never go to a country where you are in legally in danger. If you're lucky you can be sent to jail, if you're not you might be sentenced to death. Op's friend isn't naive, she's plain stupid.

    Melissa Harris
    Community Member
    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anna isn't naive, she's immature. That's fine when you're under 25 but not in a 33 year old woman.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell her you are sorry she can't handle the truth!

    Estelle E.
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Yta are unhinged. It's not as if Op asked her "Are you trying to get us killed?" That would have been blunt and disrespectful.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    9 months ago

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    Unhinged? Because their opinion is "you could be nicer, you know she's ignorant/naive"? That's unhinged.

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    murmelinpaiva
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman in a middle-eastern country was put to death for looking out of her window without wearing a veil on her face. There are a lot of countries where I would not travel because of the way women are treated there.

    Beth Wheeler
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She didn't do anything wrong. The friend should know the laws of the country where her family owns property and how dangerous it is.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly probably traveling to the Middle East for any one could be dangerous. Simply just for the unrest happening.

    JE
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would go so far as to say that your friend’s family are not good people if they enjoy vacationing in a country that violates basic human rights.

    TheForrestGreene (he/they/it)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    op told the friend no, and the friend kept on asking why, so op told her why, and now shes mad that op told her the reason why, is that whats going on here? if so, then jeez, your friend got what she asked for and now shes mad about that, doesn't sound like a very good friend

    Sa Ruuu
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pointing out a law doesn't make OP or her wife the AH, and their friend must be deeply insecure if they sent a message about how embarrassed they were. Like, if I didn't know that and my friends told me, I'd just respond with a I'm sorry, this is the first I've heard of that, thanks for letting me know

    sturmwesen
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so truthfull=blunt? you learn something new every day I guess

    Sparkle
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think her not knowing the laws makes her naive. It makes her human. How many people research the laws of where they are going before hand? I don't I assume that being a respectful and responsible human is enough.

    David
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean the person says its in the middle east, I mean there are only a few countries where Homosexuality is legal in that part of the world, Israel, Jordan, Bahrain, and Turkey, and lebanon, while illegal, consensual is no longer punished under the law, and UAE does not enforce for foreigners, and Qatar is vague about foreigners, but technically illegal. And Israel is the only one with LGBT protection laws in the region and recognized gay marriage. Its not a gay friendly part of the world.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This might be the most confusing and poorly written paragraph I've crossed on the internet in awhile. First you say homosexuality is legal in that part of the world. Then you say it's illegal but not punished in these 5 countries, including Israel. Then you say it's legally protected in Israel. Make up your mind guy, then type.

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    Lyone Fein
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying that OP is the AH are really going off the deep end. How can someone not be aware of laws that carry the death penalty in a country where your family has a house?

    Zoe Vokes
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t mind ignorance but the correct response is, “sorry I didn’t know,,” rather than getting upset and blaming others.

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    Miriam Insidecor
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's nothing wrong with answering a direct question with a direct response.

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I possess all the simplicities, including that of brusqueness." - Nero Wolfe

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    LongFang
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP was not blunt, just straight forward. My ex is from north Africa & is homophobic. Anna's a donut.

    KrazyChiMama
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate to say it but I’d have said no too and I’m not gay! I have no interest in visiting a region in the world that still sees women as mere property of their fathers then husbands.

    Orysha
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never go to a country where you are in legally in danger. If you're lucky you can be sent to jail, if you're not you might be sentenced to death. Op's friend isn't naive, she's plain stupid.

    Melissa Harris
    Community Member
    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Anna isn't naive, she's immature. That's fine when you're under 25 but not in a 33 year old woman.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell her you are sorry she can't handle the truth!

    Estelle E.
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Yta are unhinged. It's not as if Op asked her "Are you trying to get us killed?" That would have been blunt and disrespectful.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    9 months ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    Unhinged? Because their opinion is "you could be nicer, you know she's ignorant/naive"? That's unhinged.

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    murmelinpaiva
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman in a middle-eastern country was put to death for looking out of her window without wearing a veil on her face. There are a lot of countries where I would not travel because of the way women are treated there.

    Beth Wheeler
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She didn't do anything wrong. The friend should know the laws of the country where her family owns property and how dangerous it is.

    Tonyah Mcanelly
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Honestly probably traveling to the Middle East for any one could be dangerous. Simply just for the unrest happening.

    JE
    Community Member
    1 month ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would go so far as to say that your friend’s family are not good people if they enjoy vacationing in a country that violates basic human rights.

    TheForrestGreene (he/they/it)
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    op told the friend no, and the friend kept on asking why, so op told her why, and now shes mad that op told her the reason why, is that whats going on here? if so, then jeez, your friend got what she asked for and now shes mad about that, doesn't sound like a very good friend

    Sa Ruuu
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pointing out a law doesn't make OP or her wife the AH, and their friend must be deeply insecure if they sent a message about how embarrassed they were. Like, if I didn't know that and my friends told me, I'd just respond with a I'm sorry, this is the first I've heard of that, thanks for letting me know

    sturmwesen
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    so truthfull=blunt? you learn something new every day I guess

    Sparkle
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't think her not knowing the laws makes her naive. It makes her human. How many people research the laws of where they are going before hand? I don't I assume that being a respectful and responsible human is enough.

    David
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I mean the person says its in the middle east, I mean there are only a few countries where Homosexuality is legal in that part of the world, Israel, Jordan, Bahrain, and Turkey, and lebanon, while illegal, consensual is no longer punished under the law, and UAE does not enforce for foreigners, and Qatar is vague about foreigners, but technically illegal. And Israel is the only one with LGBT protection laws in the region and recognized gay marriage. Its not a gay friendly part of the world.

    Thanos'Fingers
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This might be the most confusing and poorly written paragraph I've crossed on the internet in awhile. First you say homosexuality is legal in that part of the world. Then you say it's illegal but not punished in these 5 countries, including Israel. Then you say it's legally protected in Israel. Make up your mind guy, then type.

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