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Employee Laughs In Boss’ Face For Saying It’s “Unethical” To Make Plans After Work, Takes The Case To The Director
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Employee Laughs In Boss’ Face For Saying It’s “Unethical” To Make Plans After Work, Takes The Case To The Director

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Having a healthy work-life balance is important for everyone. It can be hard to resist the urge to send just one more email or make one more phone call, but when the clock strikes 5 on a Friday afternoon, it’s time to pack up your laptop and say goodbye to the office. Our jobs should not dictate our lives, and for the sake of our mental health and personal lives, we must set boundaries. 

Recently, however, one employee was shamed by their manager for having the audacity to try to stop working… After his work hours were finished. Below, you can read the full story that was shared on the Antiwork subreddit, as well as an interview we were lucky enough to receive from the employee, and then let us know in the comments how you would have responded to this manager’s unreasonable expectations. Then, if you’re interested in reading another Bored Panda article featuring a questionable boss, we recommend checking out this story next.  

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    This employee recently shared online how his manager had unrealistic expectations for his working hours

    Image credits: Tima Miroshnichenko (not the actual photo)

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    After sharing the original post, he continued to update readers on the situation

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    The manager continued trying to defend herself, but the employee was not having it

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    Image credits: MART PRODUCTION (not the actual photo)

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    Finally, the dramatic saga came to a close

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    Credits: Porongas1993

    We reached out to the employee in the story, Porongas1993 on Reddit, to hear if this was the first time he had been expected to work longer hours at this job. “It’s not the first time it’s been expected, but it definitely was the first time where it was not communicated to me,” he told Bored Panda. “It was also the first time it happened with this new manager, so it probably has something to do with that.” We also asked how he felt about management at his work and if this situation changed his opinion on the company. “Ever since this new manager started working here, everything has felt micromanaged and none of us like it,” he shared. “But it didn’t change my view of the company.”

    We also asked if he believes his job allows him to maintain a healthy work-life balance. “I would say for the most part it does provide a good balance. Being in IT, we sometimes have to sacrifice though,” he admitted. Lastly, he added, “One thing I told people is that it’s not necessarily that I am opposed to working after hours. I understand my field sometimes requires it. But I would at least like the courtesy of communication and to be properly compensated for it.”

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    And that is exactly the point: managers owe their employees respect, and they must be up front with communication and pay their employees accordingly. In the United States, for example, employers can ask workers to put in more than their scheduled hours, as the Fair Labor Standards Act does not technically put any limits on the amount of hours employees can work per week. But they have to compensate workers appropriately. If an employee works over 40 hours in one week, they are entitled to overtime pay for all of that excess time. Of course, if a meeting runs 15 minutes past, it would not make a huge difference. But the crux of the issue is that companies need to be stringent about their rules. If they expect employees to work over their hours here and there, it can really add up. And I’m sure this manager would not be thrilled with employees showing up 15 minutes late in the mornings to make up for that time either.

    Thankfully, the author of this post did end up working everything out with their employer, and I hope it is safe to assume that this manager learned their lesson, but this issue should have never arisen in the first place. It’s time for employers to stop acting entitled to their staff’s entire lives and start respecting their time and boundaries. Have you ever had to deal with a manager like this? We would love to get your thoughts on this situation in the comments, and if you have any similar stories to share with your fellow pandas, feel free to drop them down below. 

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    Readers have weighed in criticizing the manager and the toxic expectations that many work environments have

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    Howdy, I'm Adelaide! I'm originally from Texas, but after graduating from university with an acting degree, I relocated to sunny Los Angeles for a while. I then got a serious bite from the travel bug and found myself moving to Sweden and England before settling in Lithuania about three years ago. I'm passionate about animal welfare, sustainability and eating delicious food. But as you can see, I cover a wide range of topics including drama, internet trends and hilarious memes. I can easily be won over with a Seinfeld reference, vegan pastry or glass of fresh cold brew. And during my free time, I can usually be seen strolling through a park, playing tennis or baking something tasty.

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    artbyce
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's a big NO for me! My hours are my hours and I refuse to EVER come in early, stay late or cut my breaks short. If there is so much work to be done, that it can't be accomplished in my already 40 hours a week, they can hire more employees. I will never sacrifice MY time, f**k a company and f**k a job.

    Helen Waight
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty much same. I have a lot of medical reasons why going over my workday hours are bad but I don’t need to share them with my boss. When I say I can’t work past 5pm I mean it. (And don’t get me started on the ‘but you don’t have kids, therefore you can’t possibly have commitments that are important’ retort they’re so fond of)

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    Kathryn Baylis
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m sure the OP isn’t totally rigid about their hours, and that if an emergency came up that merited staying late, they’d do it in a heartbeat to help out. But to expect it on the regular, when there is no emergency, is downright cruel and exploitative. I’m so glad the pendulum amongst workers is swinging so hard toward work-life balance nowadays—-I used to be one of the few who tried to achieve it, and back then it actually hurt my chances for advancement. I saw so many incompetent people get promotions and raises, only to totally f**k up jobs they could not do, but that I could do in my sleep, simply because they goofed off from 9am to 4pm, then managed to look busy when the manager did a walkthrough at 5pm, while I had actually worked all day, when the manager was hiding in their office, and was packing up to leave. And management has the f*****g gall to be totally mystified as to why employees job hop.

    N Goodman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be rigid about my hours. These employers have zero love or loyalty to employees. Why would we bend to "help" them out? We could be tossed on our a**e at any time when it suits the company needs. Naw, those days are over.

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    SPQRBob
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are the same managers that will tell you that you should have "planned better/left earlier" when you are made late due to no fault of your own, like a traffic accident with a fatality leaving you at a standstill in a traffic jam for over an hour. Like I'm going to get up, get dressed, and leave for work 2 hours early every day just in case. But God forbid you make personal plans and and something unexpected comes up at work. If you used the same logic on them when asked to work late and told them (over your shoulder as you were leaving for the day) "Well, you should have planned better....", I wonder how they'd react? #SoFired #Insubordination #DoAsISayNotAsIDo

    Denise Painter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked for a popular sneaker brand for a while and they sent around a memo that said "You are to work your hours and your hours only." It was signed by the head manager. I framed it and put it up in my cube. Every time my supe (whom I detested) came to see me about working over, I just pointed at the memo. Made her crazy. It was originally sent out because some employees switched around so many hours that some people were working 50 or 60 hours a week and the company didn't want any overtime at that time. But the head manager never rescinded it. She wrote on a review that I was not a team player. I told her to write down under that statement exactly how I was not a team player, so she wrote that I would not stay after my scheduled shift when they had need of me off schedule. I went to my desk, made a copy of the memo and came back and stapled it to the back of the review, then printed in sharpie underneath "Please see department memo dated xxx and signed by Mr. Big that states blah."

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    Linda Lee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was literally putting my coat on to leave for the day when a coworker, who had seniority, told me that I had to stay late to help her find an accounting error. She said, "Ohhhhh nooooo. You're not going anywhere. We have work to do." ....ah, excuse me? I told her I had plans and I'd need a day notice if she wanted me to stay late. (I had no plans, I just didn't like her power trip.) She started getting loud. The big boss comes out, he agrees with me, and I left. The next morning she says she found the error in 5 minutes. I said, "Oh great. I'm glad I didn't stay late." Always remember: *Your catastrophe does not constitute my emergency.*

    Angela Broach
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, I worked at a retail store and my boss scheduled inventory to be the week of my wedding. I told her I would not be making it to work that week because I'm getting married. She said if you don't show up you will be terminated. I looked at her and said f@#k you, inventory doesn't come before me getting married and I walked out.

    Trinity Christie
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on you!! Woulda done the same thing. What sort of a$s thinks that "the inventory is more important than getting married"?!

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    Two_rolling_black_eyes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Requiring someone to be available an extra hour before and after every shift is unethical . Its two hours of unpaid work. Firemen are paid for the entire 8/12/24 shift, not just the one hour they are actually fighting a fire because that time waiting counts as work.

    Rick Cummings
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started a new job some years ago and the first week on the job my manager would come into my office around 10 minutes before quitting time and would say "Finally I have some time to go over some things with you" every day for the first week I was there for at least an hour after quitting time just to accommodate her schedule. The Monday of the following week she did it again and I politely said that I will be leaving at quitting time like everyone else and that she should adjust her schedule during normal buisness hours if she needs to meet with me. She took it as an insult and I found another job 2 months later and got out of there quick.

    Glen Morgan
    Community Member
    3 years ago

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    I would have fired you first

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    Teaisformugs
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my last job I was in a managerial role and there was an unspoken rule in the company that staff stayed late/came in early. I hated this environment and I always made sure my staff only did their hours and no more. The problem was I ended up trying to cover the additional work load that the company expected to be completed during those additional unpaid hours. I ended up leaving in under a year exhausted and burned out. I cited the culture as the reason for my resignation and if course they denied it but like I said it was an unwritten rule there, no one was going to admit it and anyone who didn't follow suit never received any promotion and we're seen as lazy. I've since learned that some employees have taken a case against them for unfair working conditions and I'm so glad. I'm just sorry I didn't have the courage to do more when I was there. Thankfully I'm in a much better job with great conditions and colleagues for the last 2 years.

    Carl McKinney
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is an hourly position I would simply remind my boss that any time passed 5:00 is overtime and I expect to be payed time and half for it.

    Sheila Carty
    Community Member
    2 years ago

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    Except that's not how it works. You get paid for the number of hours worked in a week (generally), not per day.

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    norain norainbows
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Once the most obnoxious partner at the firm I worked at asked if I could stay late to assist something he was working on. I told him I could not. He then told me how nice the overtime would look on my next paycheck. I told him my husband was actually a Trust Baby and that I did not need the overtime. As a minority, I could not help but dislike the insinuation that I needed overtime. No matter. He continued all the time as a was putting my coat and gloves on, saying “Really. What do you have to do when you leave the office.” It was no secret that I had a difficult teenager, a pre-teen who was smarter than all her teachers and a 3 year old who all looked forward to me being home by dinner time. I calmly told Mister I’m So Important “I do have plans. First, I’m going to hang out in the parking lot and shoot the breeze with the clerks from the 5th floor and then check out the receptionist’s wedding pictures. Then go home and do some laundry.”

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    artbyce
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's a big NO for me! My hours are my hours and I refuse to EVER come in early, stay late or cut my breaks short. If there is so much work to be done, that it can't be accomplished in my already 40 hours a week, they can hire more employees. I will never sacrifice MY time, f**k a company and f**k a job.

    Helen Waight
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pretty much same. I have a lot of medical reasons why going over my workday hours are bad but I don’t need to share them with my boss. When I say I can’t work past 5pm I mean it. (And don’t get me started on the ‘but you don’t have kids, therefore you can’t possibly have commitments that are important’ retort they’re so fond of)

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    Kathryn Baylis
    Community Member
    3 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m sure the OP isn’t totally rigid about their hours, and that if an emergency came up that merited staying late, they’d do it in a heartbeat to help out. But to expect it on the regular, when there is no emergency, is downright cruel and exploitative. I’m so glad the pendulum amongst workers is swinging so hard toward work-life balance nowadays—-I used to be one of the few who tried to achieve it, and back then it actually hurt my chances for advancement. I saw so many incompetent people get promotions and raises, only to totally f**k up jobs they could not do, but that I could do in my sleep, simply because they goofed off from 9am to 4pm, then managed to look busy when the manager did a walkthrough at 5pm, while I had actually worked all day, when the manager was hiding in their office, and was packing up to leave. And management has the f*****g gall to be totally mystified as to why employees job hop.

    N Goodman
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would be rigid about my hours. These employers have zero love or loyalty to employees. Why would we bend to "help" them out? We could be tossed on our a**e at any time when it suits the company needs. Naw, those days are over.

    Load More Replies...
    SPQRBob
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    These are the same managers that will tell you that you should have "planned better/left earlier" when you are made late due to no fault of your own, like a traffic accident with a fatality leaving you at a standstill in a traffic jam for over an hour. Like I'm going to get up, get dressed, and leave for work 2 hours early every day just in case. But God forbid you make personal plans and and something unexpected comes up at work. If you used the same logic on them when asked to work late and told them (over your shoulder as you were leaving for the day) "Well, you should have planned better....", I wonder how they'd react? #SoFired #Insubordination #DoAsISayNotAsIDo

    Denise Painter
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked for a popular sneaker brand for a while and they sent around a memo that said "You are to work your hours and your hours only." It was signed by the head manager. I framed it and put it up in my cube. Every time my supe (whom I detested) came to see me about working over, I just pointed at the memo. Made her crazy. It was originally sent out because some employees switched around so many hours that some people were working 50 or 60 hours a week and the company didn't want any overtime at that time. But the head manager never rescinded it. She wrote on a review that I was not a team player. I told her to write down under that statement exactly how I was not a team player, so she wrote that I would not stay after my scheduled shift when they had need of me off schedule. I went to my desk, made a copy of the memo and came back and stapled it to the back of the review, then printed in sharpie underneath "Please see department memo dated xxx and signed by Mr. Big that states blah."

    Load More Replies...
    Linda Lee
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was literally putting my coat on to leave for the day when a coworker, who had seniority, told me that I had to stay late to help her find an accounting error. She said, "Ohhhhh nooooo. You're not going anywhere. We have work to do." ....ah, excuse me? I told her I had plans and I'd need a day notice if she wanted me to stay late. (I had no plans, I just didn't like her power trip.) She started getting loud. The big boss comes out, he agrees with me, and I left. The next morning she says she found the error in 5 minutes. I said, "Oh great. I'm glad I didn't stay late." Always remember: *Your catastrophe does not constitute my emergency.*

    Angela Broach
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, I worked at a retail store and my boss scheduled inventory to be the week of my wedding. I told her I would not be making it to work that week because I'm getting married. She said if you don't show up you will be terminated. I looked at her and said f@#k you, inventory doesn't come before me getting married and I walked out.

    Trinity Christie
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good on you!! Woulda done the same thing. What sort of a$s thinks that "the inventory is more important than getting married"?!

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    Two_rolling_black_eyes
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Requiring someone to be available an extra hour before and after every shift is unethical . Its two hours of unpaid work. Firemen are paid for the entire 8/12/24 shift, not just the one hour they are actually fighting a fire because that time waiting counts as work.

    Rick Cummings
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I started a new job some years ago and the first week on the job my manager would come into my office around 10 minutes before quitting time and would say "Finally I have some time to go over some things with you" every day for the first week I was there for at least an hour after quitting time just to accommodate her schedule. The Monday of the following week she did it again and I politely said that I will be leaving at quitting time like everyone else and that she should adjust her schedule during normal buisness hours if she needs to meet with me. She took it as an insult and I found another job 2 months later and got out of there quick.

    Glen Morgan
    Community Member
    3 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    I would have fired you first

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    Teaisformugs
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my last job I was in a managerial role and there was an unspoken rule in the company that staff stayed late/came in early. I hated this environment and I always made sure my staff only did their hours and no more. The problem was I ended up trying to cover the additional work load that the company expected to be completed during those additional unpaid hours. I ended up leaving in under a year exhausted and burned out. I cited the culture as the reason for my resignation and if course they denied it but like I said it was an unwritten rule there, no one was going to admit it and anyone who didn't follow suit never received any promotion and we're seen as lazy. I've since learned that some employees have taken a case against them for unfair working conditions and I'm so glad. I'm just sorry I didn't have the courage to do more when I was there. Thankfully I'm in a much better job with great conditions and colleagues for the last 2 years.

    Carl McKinney
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If this is an hourly position I would simply remind my boss that any time passed 5:00 is overtime and I expect to be payed time and half for it.

    Sheila Carty
    Community Member
    2 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    Except that's not how it works. You get paid for the number of hours worked in a week (generally), not per day.

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    norain norainbows
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Once the most obnoxious partner at the firm I worked at asked if I could stay late to assist something he was working on. I told him I could not. He then told me how nice the overtime would look on my next paycheck. I told him my husband was actually a Trust Baby and that I did not need the overtime. As a minority, I could not help but dislike the insinuation that I needed overtime. No matter. He continued all the time as a was putting my coat and gloves on, saying “Really. What do you have to do when you leave the office.” It was no secret that I had a difficult teenager, a pre-teen who was smarter than all her teachers and a 3 year old who all looked forward to me being home by dinner time. I calmly told Mister I’m So Important “I do have plans. First, I’m going to hang out in the parking lot and shoot the breeze with the clerks from the 5th floor and then check out the receptionist’s wedding pictures. Then go home and do some laundry.”

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