Woman Can’t Bear The Extreme Noise Her Neighbor’s Toddler Makes, Asks Online If She Should File Yet Another Complaint That Might Lead To Eviction
It’s no big secret how important having a tranquil environment at home is for our overall well-being. However, unless you live in a detached house, sometimes the comfort that we’ve built over the years gets disturbed by new neighbors.
That is precisely the situation that Reddit user u/TeHNyboR has found herself in. Many complaints were filed against the new family that moved in across the hall because of their noisy kid. The disturbance never stopped, and the woman is now considering reporting them again.
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Couple’s loud toddler makes their neighbor’s life a living hell
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She is considering filing yet another noise complaint but fears that they may get evicted
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“WIBTA if I filed another noise complaint about my neighbor’s very loud toddler?” – this web user turned to one of Reddit’s most judgmental communities, asking its members whether she’d be a jerk for filing yet another noise complaint about her neighbor’s toddler, one that could potentially lead to the family’s eviction. The post managed to garner nearly 5K upvotes as well as 1.4K comments debating the situation.
Everybody deserves to be comfortable within the space of their own home. You go there to unwind after a very demanding day of engaging in boisterous activities, and most will probably agree that it’s, hands down, the best feeling ever.
However, the star of today’s article, u/TeHNyboR, is in a slightly different position. The thing is, the woman works from home and characterizes herself as somewhat of a homebody, which means that she spends most of her time at her apartment. Everything was peachy until several months ago when a family moved in across the hall with a 2- or 3-year-old toddler. The inconveniences began during their move. It took over two weeknights and involved a lot of banging and loud talking between the late hours of roughly 10 and 12 at night, which made a bad first impression on her and her roommate.
The family has been living there for a few months, and their youngster has already established a reputation for being quite rowdy. While working, the post’s creator often hears the toddler scream “bloody murder,” loud enough for it to seem like the girl is standing directly in her apartment. The woman frequently has to apologize to people she is on calls with for the child’s screeching; moreover, she also hears her shenanigans at night from her bedroom, which is actually the farthest room in the apartment from the front door.
The OP then noted that the child’s screaming doesn’t sound worrisome or suggest that it originates from being an excited toddler – instead, it sounds more like a typical tantrum. Anywho, she has already called and complained about the family to their office and knows that multiple other neighbors have also filed reports.
Recently, the woman had to call in sick with a bad migraine, and, as you probably guessed, even with the door of her room closed, she could still hear the kid going up until 10 p.m. She pointed out that it didn’t sound to her like her parents were trying to get her to calm down, so she resorted to speaking to a couple of friends for some advice – however, she was instead told to “keep it moving” because “parenting is hard.”
The OP revealed that she’s an aunt to two kids, so she gets that taking care of children isn’t the most effortless thing ever – yet, she feels like there should be a line.
Now, onto the main issue. The family already has two violations for excessive noise, and the OP believes that one more could get them booted out. The netizen continued by saying that even though the noise is a major issue that her neighbors have been repeatedly warned about by the management and that it disrupts both her work and leisure time, she can’t help but feel awful knowing that she might be the reason they get evicted.
She claims that the kid frequently screams “bloody murder,” which interferes with both her professional and private life
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Sometime later, the Redditor updated her post and added some extra commentary to answer a few questions. Firstly, she stated that noise-canceling headphones aren’t always an option for her and that she’s already had work people tell her they can hear the child’s screeching over said headphones.
The woman then noted that her office space is an open area, so there’s no way of noise-proofing it. Regarding the breaking of the lease, it costs 1,000 bucks to do so; plus she has a roommate to consider. Moreover, she’s been residing at this place for eight years, so the only things that are getting broken are her “eardrums and patience.”
Some community members also remarked that perhaps the child might have a disability, but the OP has no info on that. She also doesn’t suspect abuse and has not called CPS – however, she now believes that a wellness check wouldn’t hurt. Last but not least, the woman said that she’s neither able to move her home office nor work from a friend’s house, as she works with confidential information. She also suffers from chronic pain – thus, remote employment is preferable for her well-being.
Now, chances are a couple of you have already dealt with loud neighbors or are perhaps even dealing with some right now, and while the actions you can take generally depend on the nature of the noise nuisance, one thing is certain: letting it slide will not do you any good (of course, we’re talking about a significant noise level and not the occasional disturbance in the form of heavy footsteps and whatnot).
For instance, Nolo, a publisher in Berkley, California, whose mission is to help consumers and small businesses find answers to their everyday legal and business questions, has a great step-by-step guide on how to deal with rackety neighbors correctly.
Start by approaching said neighbor and discussing the matter with them directly, because more often than not, they are not aware of it. Then, if that doesn’t work, it’s suggested you get a copy of your local noise ordinance. And if reminding your neighbor of the rules also doesn’t do the job, you should then report the problem to the landlord or homeowners association in writing.
If you value keeping the peace, the website suggests considering mediation. Apparently, such services are available in most cities and are often free. If that doesn’t get you the desired result, you’re left with two last options – calling the police and suing for nuisance.
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What is with the "just get noise cancelling earphones." or "Get earplugs."? It's not good for your ears to constantly have stuff shoved in them. Especially to sleep at night. I did that before and woke up with a terribly painful earache. Plus, they don't work as well as you'd think. Plus, it's not safe when you have to be able to wake up to fire alarms if necessary. Anyhoo. It's not normal that a child is constantly that upset. Yeah, yeah parenting is hard. Been there, done that. But isn't a kid supposed to be generally happy much of the time? I know the OP states she hears the kid all the time, but also mentions the parents shout, too, but doesn't emphasize this as much as the kid. If I heard that much shouting and screaming all the time that it warrants multiple calls to mgmt, AND it's late at night when pre-schoolers should be long in bed, in the hallway, I would definitely make a call for a wellness check. I've done this for similar reasons.
I want to add, when you call for a wellness check you call non-emergency police (unless it sounds like the child is in immediate danger or something is terribly wrong.). Usually, if nothing is found to be wrong, and it's just a loud kid who's having tantrums, nothing else is done. Police are not the ones to apprehend kids. They can offer parents contacts for support services and recommendations. That's about it. If something is very wrong then they can call a CPS social worker to investigate the situation further.
Load More Replies...The fact OP says the conversations in the hall are loud, I'd assume (and I'm aware I'm just assuming here) that they are a naturally loud family. My husband said as a child he remembers learning how to manage his vocal levels as he is naturally loud. Their idea of quiet clearly doesn't match that of others in the building. Either way I feel for the neighbours. I live in an apartment and have a toddler but am fortunate in that he's actually pretty quiet. I do however agree with a poster that this isn't OP's problem, it's the landlord's issue to deal with. They shouldn't feel guilty for speaking up (excuse the pun) to the landlord.
I get ear infections easily, noise cancelling headphones or earplugs are not an option for me. I hate when people suggest that for that reason as well as why should I have to accomodate your badly behaved child? Teach the child they have neighbors, take them to parks, get them exercise, treat them well. Don't just let them shriek 24/7! We have noisy kids next door at our townhome and although I have headphones and white noise machines in every room I can STILL hear them stomping, rolling bowling balls in the house (lol sounds like it) and SCREAMING full blast inside and out. WTF?
THIS! I have ear issues, as well, and can't use headphones or ear buds without making things worse. I live in a very similar building to OP (3 floors, 12 units total) and had a neighbour who used to leave her toddler (under 2) just sitting, screaming, in their entry way WITH THE DOOR OPEN! After several complaints, and finally an email to the landlord with a copy to a lawyer friend, they were evicted. No, I don't feel bad. I wasn't the only complainant, and I have the legal "right to peaceable enjoyment of the rented premises". (Quebec)
Load More Replies...The fact is that people have the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their property. It doesn't really matter if the family is naturally loud, the child is differently abled, or if they are bad parents. If the behavior doesn't change, they need to leave. After being evicted a few times they will either change the behavior if possible or learn that they need to find a living situation where their noise doesn't disturb others. The OP shouldn't feel guilty at all. Constant noise is a form of assault if it causes distress. It doesn't matter if it is intended that way or not. Once someone is informed that they are hurting others, if the behavior continues, they are deliberately harming others. And children, for better or worse, are the responsibility of their parents.
I live in a houseshare with someone who has absolutely no concept of quiet. He's a gamer and plays online and is constantly shouting and full on belly laughing down his mic to other people. He constantly slams doors (which is one of my absolute pet peeves) and he sings (really really badly) at the top of his voice. I really wanna complain about him. Only problem is, he's such a genuinely nice dude lol. I've tried pointing it out to him but he doesn't seems to get the point. I wouldn't normally care about the gaming shouting cos it usually stops around 9 in the week and 11 at the weekend. Problem is, sometimes I work night shifts. And his loudness is just not conducive to a good night's sleep. Maybe I should write a letter and post it under his door or something lol. It might feel less awkward then.
My little brother is like your houseshare partner. He's a gamer and can get very loud while playing. He says that it is just so exciting that he can't help it. His screaming is the main reason that I don't go to my parents' house a lot. I can't take the noise.
Load More Replies...Years ago, the apartment building across from me had a bunch of kids. They played outside all day every day, staying at their own building with an adult sitting out with them. I could work at home with the door open no problem. They made kid noises but not bad. A few years ago there were a few kids down the block out all day every day screaming bloody murder while running through everyone's yards. No supervision. It was ear piercing with doors and windows closed. I imagine normal kid noise would be tolerable to OP and neighbors. Kids don't have to be completely quiet, just tone it down to reasonable.
I’m in a similar boat, but not 100% as I work outside the home, but I do calls, VC, and streams at home. I have two neighbors with infants and a 3rd noise offender who loves to slam doors. Audio foam, thick curtains, and timing (streams late) seem to help. I can hear them from my bedroom, we are a fully brick apartment too, so the noise going through thick brick walls is worrisome. I kind of wish there were “adult only” apartment buildings separate from “family” apartment buildings. Things would be great.
There ARE adults-only apartments - at least in larger cities. Sometimes they're advertised as "senior" apartments, but as long as you're over 18 and there are no kids it's perfectly fine. That sounds (sorry) like what you're looking for.
Load More Replies...She's NTA, I have kids and I get they can be very noisy. Three boys three years apart, but I've never let them scream the house down for hours on end. Even if there was a medical issue, I'd be looking for help and support, trying to calm the situation- probably communicating to neighbours that there is an issue and we're trying to find solutions. Absolutely no excuse for excess noise in communal spaces either
my now ex step-daughter used to do the whole midnight screaming thing... it was very draining until we were told she was having 'night terrors' and looked into it a bit more. It wasn't long after that she was diagnosed with being on the autism spectrum - and sadly as soon as her mum discovered that she basically coached her to play up to it to get out sports at school (which she hated and her mum told her 'just say you're having a meltdown'') and my ex was actually quite pleased because it meant she could put a benefit claim in for her. Sad turn of events all round imo
I'm older, and I wonder when bad behavior became acceptable. When I was a kid in the '50s, screaming and yelling were dealt with on the spot.
Load More Replies...What is with the "just get noise cancelling earphones." or "Get earplugs."? It's not good for your ears to constantly have stuff shoved in them. Especially to sleep at night. I did that before and woke up with a terribly painful earache. Plus, they don't work as well as you'd think. Plus, it's not safe when you have to be able to wake up to fire alarms if necessary. Anyhoo. It's not normal that a child is constantly that upset. Yeah, yeah parenting is hard. Been there, done that. But isn't a kid supposed to be generally happy much of the time? I know the OP states she hears the kid all the time, but also mentions the parents shout, too, but doesn't emphasize this as much as the kid. If I heard that much shouting and screaming all the time that it warrants multiple calls to mgmt, AND it's late at night when pre-schoolers should be long in bed, in the hallway, I would definitely make a call for a wellness check. I've done this for similar reasons.
I want to add, when you call for a wellness check you call non-emergency police (unless it sounds like the child is in immediate danger or something is terribly wrong.). Usually, if nothing is found to be wrong, and it's just a loud kid who's having tantrums, nothing else is done. Police are not the ones to apprehend kids. They can offer parents contacts for support services and recommendations. That's about it. If something is very wrong then they can call a CPS social worker to investigate the situation further.
Load More Replies...The fact OP says the conversations in the hall are loud, I'd assume (and I'm aware I'm just assuming here) that they are a naturally loud family. My husband said as a child he remembers learning how to manage his vocal levels as he is naturally loud. Their idea of quiet clearly doesn't match that of others in the building. Either way I feel for the neighbours. I live in an apartment and have a toddler but am fortunate in that he's actually pretty quiet. I do however agree with a poster that this isn't OP's problem, it's the landlord's issue to deal with. They shouldn't feel guilty for speaking up (excuse the pun) to the landlord.
I get ear infections easily, noise cancelling headphones or earplugs are not an option for me. I hate when people suggest that for that reason as well as why should I have to accomodate your badly behaved child? Teach the child they have neighbors, take them to parks, get them exercise, treat them well. Don't just let them shriek 24/7! We have noisy kids next door at our townhome and although I have headphones and white noise machines in every room I can STILL hear them stomping, rolling bowling balls in the house (lol sounds like it) and SCREAMING full blast inside and out. WTF?
THIS! I have ear issues, as well, and can't use headphones or ear buds without making things worse. I live in a very similar building to OP (3 floors, 12 units total) and had a neighbour who used to leave her toddler (under 2) just sitting, screaming, in their entry way WITH THE DOOR OPEN! After several complaints, and finally an email to the landlord with a copy to a lawyer friend, they were evicted. No, I don't feel bad. I wasn't the only complainant, and I have the legal "right to peaceable enjoyment of the rented premises". (Quebec)
Load More Replies...The fact is that people have the right to the peaceful enjoyment of their property. It doesn't really matter if the family is naturally loud, the child is differently abled, or if they are bad parents. If the behavior doesn't change, they need to leave. After being evicted a few times they will either change the behavior if possible or learn that they need to find a living situation where their noise doesn't disturb others. The OP shouldn't feel guilty at all. Constant noise is a form of assault if it causes distress. It doesn't matter if it is intended that way or not. Once someone is informed that they are hurting others, if the behavior continues, they are deliberately harming others. And children, for better or worse, are the responsibility of their parents.
I live in a houseshare with someone who has absolutely no concept of quiet. He's a gamer and plays online and is constantly shouting and full on belly laughing down his mic to other people. He constantly slams doors (which is one of my absolute pet peeves) and he sings (really really badly) at the top of his voice. I really wanna complain about him. Only problem is, he's such a genuinely nice dude lol. I've tried pointing it out to him but he doesn't seems to get the point. I wouldn't normally care about the gaming shouting cos it usually stops around 9 in the week and 11 at the weekend. Problem is, sometimes I work night shifts. And his loudness is just not conducive to a good night's sleep. Maybe I should write a letter and post it under his door or something lol. It might feel less awkward then.
My little brother is like your houseshare partner. He's a gamer and can get very loud while playing. He says that it is just so exciting that he can't help it. His screaming is the main reason that I don't go to my parents' house a lot. I can't take the noise.
Load More Replies...Years ago, the apartment building across from me had a bunch of kids. They played outside all day every day, staying at their own building with an adult sitting out with them. I could work at home with the door open no problem. They made kid noises but not bad. A few years ago there were a few kids down the block out all day every day screaming bloody murder while running through everyone's yards. No supervision. It was ear piercing with doors and windows closed. I imagine normal kid noise would be tolerable to OP and neighbors. Kids don't have to be completely quiet, just tone it down to reasonable.
I’m in a similar boat, but not 100% as I work outside the home, but I do calls, VC, and streams at home. I have two neighbors with infants and a 3rd noise offender who loves to slam doors. Audio foam, thick curtains, and timing (streams late) seem to help. I can hear them from my bedroom, we are a fully brick apartment too, so the noise going through thick brick walls is worrisome. I kind of wish there were “adult only” apartment buildings separate from “family” apartment buildings. Things would be great.
There ARE adults-only apartments - at least in larger cities. Sometimes they're advertised as "senior" apartments, but as long as you're over 18 and there are no kids it's perfectly fine. That sounds (sorry) like what you're looking for.
Load More Replies...She's NTA, I have kids and I get they can be very noisy. Three boys three years apart, but I've never let them scream the house down for hours on end. Even if there was a medical issue, I'd be looking for help and support, trying to calm the situation- probably communicating to neighbours that there is an issue and we're trying to find solutions. Absolutely no excuse for excess noise in communal spaces either
my now ex step-daughter used to do the whole midnight screaming thing... it was very draining until we were told she was having 'night terrors' and looked into it a bit more. It wasn't long after that she was diagnosed with being on the autism spectrum - and sadly as soon as her mum discovered that she basically coached her to play up to it to get out sports at school (which she hated and her mum told her 'just say you're having a meltdown'') and my ex was actually quite pleased because it meant she could put a benefit claim in for her. Sad turn of events all round imo
I'm older, and I wonder when bad behavior became acceptable. When I was a kid in the '50s, screaming and yelling were dealt with on the spot.
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