Charlie Kirk’s Passing Confirmed By Donald Trump In Emotional Post After Horrifying Attack In Utah

There are 77 million gun owners and 380 million guns in the US. In any given year there are 35,000-45,000 gun related deaths, with 60% being suicides Black people account for 55-60% of all gun murders, 80% of non-fatal firearm violence (while white people account for 80% of all suicides) Police k**l roughly 1000 people in any given year, 40-50 of those people will be unarmed and 15-20 of them will be black. Black people also k**l white people at 2.4x the rate of the inverse. Since 1970, 1,714 people have died in school shootings. There are 1,600-2000 fatal stabbing per year, Car accidents k**l 40-45,000 people per year, alcohol kills another 178,000, obesity kills 300-400,000 people, tobacco 480,000. Another 22,000 people per year commit s*****e without the use of a gun, 27% of overdoses involve over the counter meds. If everyone is really concerned with "preservation of life" they're certainly ignoring many things, that are much more deadly.

Textbook case of "Whataboutism".

lol no....the issue comes down to the loss of, and value of human life. That's the whole thing. "Guns k**l X amount of people, human life is sacred, therefore guns should be banned" That's the argument. Not only are cars more deadly, 2023 saw nearly 13,000 auto accidents that were the result of drunk driving. Where's the demand to ban cars, or alcohol? Obesity has been killing hundreds of thousands a year for decades, and yet the same people arguing for gun removal on the basis of the value of human life are, in the next breath parroting "healthy at any size" and fighting for "representation" of the morbidly unhealthy. That you don't understand the argument, that you have missed the point, doesn't negate its validity.

@iseefractals For what little it's worth, I wanted to reply to your previous comment because I completely agree with you and upvoted you. Debating somebody who has different views to you doesn't make you an AH. Hel‍l, *having* different views doesn't make you an AH. It's how you act on those different views that make you an AH, a te‍rrorist, a mur‍derer, etc. I'm prepared to get downvoted to oblivion again because I might be coming across as pro-MAGA (which is so far from the truth, by the way, but believe what you will), but I respected his willingness to debate topics on which he disagreed. He said why he didn't like things but he also gave a reason; it wasn't just "well, I don't like it so therefore it's wrong". I disagree -- strongly -- with most if not all of the stances he took, but I don't believe he deserved to die for taking said stances. And at the end of the day a woman is a widow; she's being trolled for her husband being murd‍ered and two kids are left without a father.

Well thanks, i expected the deluge of downvotes, but i'm genuinely disgusted with how the majority of this lot, and a larger share of the internet are behaving. There was a lot i didn't agree with Kirk about, Religion and Abortion are at the top of the list...but the number of out of context claims, half truths and outright lies being peddled to justify the glee being expressed over his death is reprehensible. Someone was assassinated for exercising their right of free speech, for their political views....that so many people don't understand why that's unacceptable, JFC....it's just depressing how many people are so proud, to be so confidently ignorant.

@iseefractals Again, completely agree. I can and will never be happy with somebody being mur‍dered for their political stance/having an opinion, even if I don't agree with it (especially, really. I know my opinion is one in the sea of many). People being so thrilled about somebody dying is disgusting, IMO. It seems, though, that anyone against (even partially) the rhetoric of "woohoo, CK got killed, hurrah!" is downvoted into oblivion, though, without said people looking into the nuances of what others are trying to actually say. What sort of world doesn't allow people to have free opinions? Again for the haters... I do not agree with his rhetoric. I do, however, believe he (and others) have a right to their opinion, even if plebby me doesn't agree with said opinion. I don't get assassinating -- murd‍ering -- someone for their opinion either, and it saddens me, frankly.

And this! https://x.com/WhoopingFeet/status/1965906586138009839 Charlie Kirk said black people were better off in slavery and subjugation before the 1940’s. “It was bad & it was evil but they committed less crimes”

I don't even need to look at the link. The full context of that argument is from a jubilee debate, comparing the state of the black community before and after the civil rights movement. Through the 1950's only 9% of black families grew up without a father in the home, today it's between 70% and 80%, with nearly HALF not only not having a father in the home, but in the picture at all. This lack of fathers directly correlates to poverty and the propensity for those children to engage in criminal activity. Those are facts, with decades of research backing them up. The US government has spent $22,000,000,000,000 on african American's since the civil rights movement....to end up with black americans accounting for 55-60% of gun murders, 80% of non-fatal firearm violence, and in fact, 35-40% of ALL violent crime....with most of that crime being perpetrated again other black people. Is that better or worse?

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Taken out of context. And not hateful.