Man Acts Strange During First Date, Woman Thinks He ‘Tested’ Her And Ends It Right Away
Sometimes, when going on a date, people focus on another person more than usual, attempting to judge their character or understand their intentions. While on the one hand, such attempts might result in reading into things that aren’t really there, and therefore simply focusing on having a good time might often be a better strategy, on the other hand, from time to time, without trying very hard, one might encounter a certain deal-breaker in their partner that, trusting their gut feeling, they judge intolerable. Despite there always being a chance of misunderstanding, they may decide to part ways or even go as far as to block the other person, as this Redditor did after getting “tested” during a first date at her favorite restaurant.
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On their first date, a couple was having a good time, until the woman experienced what she thought to be a test
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For their date, she had suggested a Mexican place, but the man asked to go to her favorite restaurant
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The couple was having a good time and when it came time to pay, it was $500+ as it was a luxurious restaurant
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The couple asked for separate bills, as the man let the woman understand that was what he preferred
A woman took her first date experience at her favorite restaurant to Reddit, asking if she was wrong to end things straight after dinner. She explained that for their first date, she suggested going to a Mexican place that has over 300 tequilas in their tequila library, as well as amazing tacos with handmade tortillas. However, when she was asked about her favorite spot, she told the truth and opened up about her favorite restaurant, adding it to be “a bit much for a first date”.
Either way, her date checked the menu and invited her for dinner at this very restaurant. The couple were having a good time, though when it came time to pay, the woman did not appreciate the man’s behavior. She wasn’t sure if the man wanted to split the bill or was trying to invite her to do so, so she waited for his call. They ended up both asking for separate bills almost simultaneously, although the man did it first.
The woman was totally fine with it, but she wasn’t fine with what her date did next, as the man waited until the waitress came back to pick up the bills and then gave her both bills, simultaneously taking the woman’s credit card and saying he would be paying for it all. The woman thanked him for dinner and left, blocking the man as soon as she got into a vehicle. She explained that the reason she blocked him was the game he was playing with her expectations.
As her date invited her and she did assume he was paying, then the man made sure she knew that she should pay for herself, while eventually grabbing the checks and paying it all by himself – annoying the server and his date.
The woman understood the man’s behavior to be a “s**t test” attempting to check if she would pony up to a $250+ each restaurant bill. However, when she shared her story with a friend, her friend focused mostly on the cost of the dinner rather than anything else and told her she was the villain here.
Similarly, Redditors had different takes on the situation, while most people agreed that the man’s behavior of playing games to find out her last name or if she would be willing to pay was off-putting, they also noted that it possibly wasn’t so out of line that she was warranted to block him, instead of having a conversation or at least writing a message. Others similarly suggested the woman could have been more forgiving.
Finally, a Redditor under the name jrm1102 brought up the point that she might have misunderstood the situation, as the man could have simply changed his mind along the way, rather than viciously playing testing games.
The man waited until the waitress came to pick up the bills, grabbed the woman’s card, gave both bills to the waitress and said he would pay for it all
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The woman felt it was a “s**t test”, thanked him for dinner and blocked the man as soon as she got to her Uber
Lindsay Dodgson for Insider listed red flags that one might take notice of while on a first date and included the recommendation by Gabriela Reyes of trusting one’s gut feeling when it is telling you that something is off. Reyes recommended taking a bathroom break and checking in with yourself in such cases.
She noted that one’s feelings when around another person should be taken into consideration, even in cases when one is not able to explain them, yet. Similarly, Reyes advised not dismissing your date’s behavior as “first date nerves” if they do something that makes you uncomfortable, as while it may be that they are just being nervous, a certain problem that you observed may very well be real.
Teasing a date in a mean way was also brought up among the red flags as per recommendation by Katie Hood. Hood noted that situations when friendly banter has an edge to it that feels hurtful or mean are another warning sign of toxic behavior. While a bit of teasing is a good way to form connections, by demonstrating people are comfortable enough to make fun of each other, it is something else if a person finds themselves being offended or taken aback by their date’s behavior.
Hood suggested not to be afraid to call another person out in a low-key way on it, by saying things like “That’s not love!”, and not let another person dismiss you for being “too sensitive”, while at the same time taking notice in case this happens repetitively in order to prevent veering into emotional abuse.
Redditors shared their takes on the situation
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This one is simple. She set a boundary of keeping her last name private until she’s ready to tell him. She makes it clear early on. He blatantly ignores that boundary on the first date. There’s a difference between oops I accidentally saw your name on the card and grabbing said card and studying it and bragging that you now know her last name. The paying the check game made it that much worse.
Exactly. He had some power trip thing going on. A big red flag, right there. Stay Safe, sisters. Better to be a near-stranger's rude memory than risk becoming a polite corpse.
Load More Replies...For real, trust your gut. The guy pulled a weird move. Doesn't need to be any logic in it, it was weird and she felt weird about it.
Load More Replies...NTA please don't let the haters and skeptics get you down. I teach self defense and martial arts to women and your inner sense is ALWAYS right. Something was off about this guy and no reason to explain or even know exactly. Block, protect, and have nothing to do with him. You did everything right. Be safe. Peace
I don't put my card down on any table. It stays in my hand until they bring me the machine, then I pay and put my card away. No one else needs to see my card. Period.
All the comments criticizing her let's me know they've never met or dated a manipulator before. This is a clear first date warning sign. The "test". The stealing information she asked to keep private. You're more concerned with her looking like an angel to this deviant than her being safe.
I’m a fidgeter. A good way of avoiding showing your card details in such circumstances is to absent-mindedly tap your card on the table with the details (name, number) facing towards yourself.
While true, you shouldn't have to do that when you've set a boundary with someone where you don't want to tell them your full name. This guy super blatantly ignored that boundary.
Load More Replies...I can understand it, esp since she already explained her scary stalker experience. He ignored her consent, regarding his insistence on knowing her full name when she'd already said she wasn't ready to share it yet. What other consent might he have ignored? Glad she venmoed him the cost of her dinner, which was the only classy way to resolve the cost issue. Best bet would have been to refuse to go to such an expensive spot for date #1, and only agree to meet at a less costly location. ALWAYS trust your gut instinct, esp when someone does something that gives you the w*****s. Men looking to impress a gal might want to avoid making her feel like neither her opinion, her feelings nor her consent truly matter to them. This can be a scary world in which to be female, so trying Not to freak us out is the best path to date #2..
I wrote w-l-l-l-i-e-s in the sense of giving someone the creeps, Not anything naughty. BP editors, you crack me up! 😅
Load More Replies...Hey there BP readers who are dating, or just living life, it’s your life, you get to choose who does or doesn’t get to know information about you, if someone or some situation makes you uncomfortable, suspicious or it gets your spidey sense tingling then it’s entirely your choice what you do or how you deal with an individual. Yeah you might miss a decent person, you might block someone who isn’t a threat BUT you also might keep yourself safe and carry on with a clear and safe mind. You don’t owe anyone anything, it’s your life, keep it safe.
The whole check thing sounds like it was just a ploy to get her last name, by getting OP to put down a card with her full name on it. She explicitly said she didn't want to give him her last name, and he blatantly ignored that boundary. That dude is a creep.
A restaurant that expensive should have check books, that's really weird
A check/cheque book? Depends where they are. In the UK cheques haven’t been a thing in literally decades. We all pay by cash or card now, but usually we never let the card out of our sight, the server comes to the table and we will either tap or insert the card ourselves into the machine.
Load More Replies...Regardless, trust your gut instinct. If it felt manipulative, it probably was.
Who would date a teacher for their money? Golddigger, I don't think so. Something about the guy made OP feel off. Go with your gut. Not everyone is going to be the perfect match. NTA
I wonder what gender all of the ppl being a******s to OP are b/c as a woman... I'd have been put off by that too. If he had already wanted to know my full name n s**t.. n I didn't tell him n then he like.. creepily went out of his way to figure it out.. that would weird me out. I have been stalked before n I have also been on dates with "nice guys" who become psychotic when you turn them down after a date when they think they are entitled to your time, body & affection.... so it's better that you don't share this info on the first date to avoid that "nice guy" BS.... I would have insisted that the waitress take my card though. I never EVER let a man pay on the first couple dates for the sole reason that I do not want men to think I owe them anything which has been my experience more than not.
Its a first date. People are on their best behavior trying to make a good first impression. If they fail this badly on their best behavior, there are about 6 billion other people on this planet that are over 18. Find one of them. Things will not get better if you stay in the relationship.
Why so many YtA? If a guy crosses my boundaries during a first date, there will not be a second date. Period. These people make it seem like she “owes” him anything beyond common courtesy.
He was testing you. At least he didn’t pretend to forget his wallet - that’s happened to me and is totally a thing. ( Pro tip - if you are going to pretend to forget your wallet, don’t take it out later to retrieve your parking card) You were right to end things because there would be more ridiculous tests later.
NTA. The guy asked you out and picked the restaurant, of course he should pay. The cost of the restaurant is on him. You don't owe him anything. Blocking him- you followed our gut. More women should do this.
Even if it was just the "assuming he was paying for the date, him asking for separate checks and then paying for both checks anyway" is indeed testing you. And that's disrespectful as f**k. You didn't chose the restaurant for the date, he did.
I think I would have asked, "What are you staring at my card? This is awkward and creepy," and then decided what to do from that reply. She should have never mentioned the 500 dollar restaurant for a first date, no matter her reasons. That's also weird.
She didn't suggest it for a first date. She discouraged it and suggested a cheaper place.
Load More Replies...Yeah idk about this one. The defensiveness and added details makes it sound made up. In the post OP sounds like she's upset that he's testing her, but when defending herself in comments she makes it sound like she was more upset about him learning her last name. IF it's real, I think YTA. Maaaaybe he's a little bit of a butt for looking at her last name, but I think more than anything he was trying to make a joke but it didn't hit because she's had stalkers in the past? Regardless, I don't believe she thought that was the big deal. I think she pivoted to that being what she was upset about when other posters called her out on blocking him instead of communicating with him. You don't like guys who play games, but you're playing games yourself with that s**t. If you didn't like that he paid, just talk about it instead of making assumptions. Make an assumption, now you're an a*s.
Women todsy fear to share private info, we are stalked snd we are afraid to say a direct NO due to way men react. You are not a woman, you dont know the reality.
Load More Replies...I agree that it was creepy for her date to act as if he was going to let her split the bill, then study her credit card to get her name. I read an article about people doing this (reading your name off your credit card) and it was considered a red flag. Venmo him half the money if you want, but he offered to pay and you do not owe him anything. I think it's good that you blocked him.
As a guy, I’d be more than a little irritated with the games he was playing and the boundary he stomped over as well. Instead of blocking him immediately, she COULD have sent a text explaining that and MAYBE see how he responded, but it was his first date MO to play games. She’s not obligated to play along by his rules when he obviously didn’t respect hers. He didn’t listen when she suggested somewhere more frugal, he “tested” her with the check and then grabbed her card and ignored that she had said she didn’t want to give up her last name yet. Three strikes, she was right to bench him.
To me it sounds like he was playfully bantering and teasing. In the sense like "ha gotya!" First of all yes he should have paid the whole bill as he invited you and insisted going to your favorite place. I would have understood you being upset if suddenly it would have been separate checks. Thát would have been a dealbreaker. What i don't understand is that you find it perfectly fine to go out with someone and have yourself a good time and be pampered by eating great with someone you don't trust enough to give your last name. I would not say AITAH, but AIVW, yes you act Very Weird, and blocking and ghosting without any explanation is extremely rude. And the fact that you use internet to seek approval makes it even worse. Bad taste.
It was a trick and he will no doubt have gone home and googled her after he found out her last name. she was right to block him
Those commenters have obviously never been stalked. I was a bartender too and I've been both stalked and nearly murdered, twice. If you don't want to share your last name, he should have honored that. Absolute BLOCK behavior.
What does venmo mean!? Maybe put up an abbreviation chart too! Good grief!
we in Europa don't have such problems - we don't introduce ourselves with last name - I asked my now hubby his last name after about month of going out
Mental note to self: pay cash instead of using a card with my name on it, at least until I feel safe enough to reveal my last name.
For petessake, change your credit card, it's been compromised. It's a risk you don't want to take.
IDK, I would probably ask him, why he did that. First he wants to splitt the check and like 10 min later he is paying for everythig? He might do that to find out if she is willing to pay for herself (and I think it´s perfectly fine for men to pay just for them on first date) but it´s weird to be like oh, she would pay for her food so now I can be the gentleman and cover the bill. Like, just let her pay without the plot twist. However, if he did it because he wanted to know her name from credit card, that is big red flag. Absolutely not okay to touch someone else´s card, unless it´s your job or you are real close (like my BF sometimes gives me his card to pay for something)
Trust your gut. If you were seriously interested in this guy, you'd give him another chance, another date, and see how it plays out. You weren't though, and didn't hesitate to be done with him. There were creepy red flags…tricking you into giving away your last name when you wanted to keep it private and testing you on the check split…it was totally a test. If, when you said "Separate Checks" he just said, No, its on me, he would have found out that you were willing and able to pay without it being inconvenient for the server and awkward for you with the credit card reading. You didn't owe him $250 though. Onward and upward to a guy you're more in sync with.
He was dishonest and creepy. He chose not to respect your wishes. It’s not a gold digger move if you were willing to pay your own way. What he did was wrong. This was his choice not yours. You also didn’t block him just because you wanted a date. You blocked him for safety reasons. Always always listen to how you feel.
This was obviously a way to make her get her card out so he could find out her last name. It had nothing to do with who was paying or if she was a gold digger or not
This could have maybe all been avoided if she had just refused to go to her favorite restaurant on a first date. Being he is a teacher, and they are not paid that well, it almost seems like he felt he had to compete with your ability to go there.
I’m a teacher - how did this guy pay for a $500 dinner??? That’s the sus part! 🤣
I’m sure he would have got great satisfaction from tricking you which is crewel and a red flag. He didn’t respect you boundaries or privacy. He didn’t allow you to go at your own pace. Yep, Block him because if you explained to him why you didn’t want to see him again, this also would have been another challenge for him to conquer.
Sooo reading the original post she writes “and it wasn’t even his little comment of “oh now I finally know your last name”… so this wasn’t the reason she was offended and blocked him. Only afterwards did she take offence to this action when defending herself from people calling her an a*****e
Bottom line is I don't think that anything malicious was going on here. This just seems like strange behavior, misunderstandings, misjudgements and an awkward date. When I was first dating and had money, I used to try to impress with an expensive dinner. Almost always an empty and wasteful gesture. Later in life I realized that, if we were going out to eat, going to a dive with good, cheap eats was a better way to get to know each other. Also, I've never been to a $500 restaurant... some people have some very different values I reckon.
A guy who lived overseas who I was dating came to visit me in New York. Around 10 one morning I said, "Let's go to my favorite taco place." He said sure. We went & it was terrific. He later said he was surprised because he thought tacos were greasy things you eat for lunch but these were fresh & tasty on handmade tortillas. We're married & I live overseas now too. And I still miss that taco place!
The whole “women only pay when they’re not interested” thing has come up before. I don’t know how anyone gets past any first date without all the mixed messaging that goes on. I would get eaten alive if I was dating in todays climate…🫤
He made her feel uncomfortable. After several, valid, red flags, she knocked it on the head. It happens.
Load More Replies...I can't tell you the number of dates that I have been on where the woman has done extensive research on me, from finding my job, my address, all the information on me she possibly can. Each one that has done so has explained that they wanted to make sure that I was really who I said, that I was in law enforcement, that I actually worked for the state, etc. Since I am exactly who I state I am, it is not a big deal for me. However, I can see it from this guys perspective, he wanted a last name to at least be able to do a little research. As far as he knows he doesn't even have a valid first name or age or any real information. It is a concern for those people seeking a real person to interact with and/or date. I worked in law enforcement but wasn't shy about having my name in the phone book. If one is constantly worried about people looking up a name, then perhaps one isn't in a place to begin dating. For myself, if I ask someone on a date, I pay for the date. That is how I was raised.
what the actualy f**k, you cant even want to know the name of a person you are on adate to not look like a creep and weirdo.
Trust is something that builds over time. Men are inherently dangerous to women, and, like you suggested, plenty of women do opt out of dating for that reason. And if they all did, you'd find another reason to b*tch at women for not making themselves available to you. Because that's what you're really asking them to do. You don't care about their safety.
Load More Replies...Some of us have learnt the hard way that we have to be.
Load More Replies...You have no idea the manipulation men have tried on me (and succeeded in the beginning). I'm glad you don't understand, because that means you're not one of those men. Believe women have met them though, and not every man thinks the way you do.
Load More Replies...This one is simple. She set a boundary of keeping her last name private until she’s ready to tell him. She makes it clear early on. He blatantly ignores that boundary on the first date. There’s a difference between oops I accidentally saw your name on the card and grabbing said card and studying it and bragging that you now know her last name. The paying the check game made it that much worse.
Exactly. He had some power trip thing going on. A big red flag, right there. Stay Safe, sisters. Better to be a near-stranger's rude memory than risk becoming a polite corpse.
Load More Replies...For real, trust your gut. The guy pulled a weird move. Doesn't need to be any logic in it, it was weird and she felt weird about it.
Load More Replies...NTA please don't let the haters and skeptics get you down. I teach self defense and martial arts to women and your inner sense is ALWAYS right. Something was off about this guy and no reason to explain or even know exactly. Block, protect, and have nothing to do with him. You did everything right. Be safe. Peace
I don't put my card down on any table. It stays in my hand until they bring me the machine, then I pay and put my card away. No one else needs to see my card. Period.
All the comments criticizing her let's me know they've never met or dated a manipulator before. This is a clear first date warning sign. The "test". The stealing information she asked to keep private. You're more concerned with her looking like an angel to this deviant than her being safe.
I’m a fidgeter. A good way of avoiding showing your card details in such circumstances is to absent-mindedly tap your card on the table with the details (name, number) facing towards yourself.
While true, you shouldn't have to do that when you've set a boundary with someone where you don't want to tell them your full name. This guy super blatantly ignored that boundary.
Load More Replies...I can understand it, esp since she already explained her scary stalker experience. He ignored her consent, regarding his insistence on knowing her full name when she'd already said she wasn't ready to share it yet. What other consent might he have ignored? Glad she venmoed him the cost of her dinner, which was the only classy way to resolve the cost issue. Best bet would have been to refuse to go to such an expensive spot for date #1, and only agree to meet at a less costly location. ALWAYS trust your gut instinct, esp when someone does something that gives you the w*****s. Men looking to impress a gal might want to avoid making her feel like neither her opinion, her feelings nor her consent truly matter to them. This can be a scary world in which to be female, so trying Not to freak us out is the best path to date #2..
I wrote w-l-l-l-i-e-s in the sense of giving someone the creeps, Not anything naughty. BP editors, you crack me up! 😅
Load More Replies...Hey there BP readers who are dating, or just living life, it’s your life, you get to choose who does or doesn’t get to know information about you, if someone or some situation makes you uncomfortable, suspicious or it gets your spidey sense tingling then it’s entirely your choice what you do or how you deal with an individual. Yeah you might miss a decent person, you might block someone who isn’t a threat BUT you also might keep yourself safe and carry on with a clear and safe mind. You don’t owe anyone anything, it’s your life, keep it safe.
The whole check thing sounds like it was just a ploy to get her last name, by getting OP to put down a card with her full name on it. She explicitly said she didn't want to give him her last name, and he blatantly ignored that boundary. That dude is a creep.
A restaurant that expensive should have check books, that's really weird
A check/cheque book? Depends where they are. In the UK cheques haven’t been a thing in literally decades. We all pay by cash or card now, but usually we never let the card out of our sight, the server comes to the table and we will either tap or insert the card ourselves into the machine.
Load More Replies...Regardless, trust your gut instinct. If it felt manipulative, it probably was.
Who would date a teacher for their money? Golddigger, I don't think so. Something about the guy made OP feel off. Go with your gut. Not everyone is going to be the perfect match. NTA
I wonder what gender all of the ppl being a******s to OP are b/c as a woman... I'd have been put off by that too. If he had already wanted to know my full name n s**t.. n I didn't tell him n then he like.. creepily went out of his way to figure it out.. that would weird me out. I have been stalked before n I have also been on dates with "nice guys" who become psychotic when you turn them down after a date when they think they are entitled to your time, body & affection.... so it's better that you don't share this info on the first date to avoid that "nice guy" BS.... I would have insisted that the waitress take my card though. I never EVER let a man pay on the first couple dates for the sole reason that I do not want men to think I owe them anything which has been my experience more than not.
Its a first date. People are on their best behavior trying to make a good first impression. If they fail this badly on their best behavior, there are about 6 billion other people on this planet that are over 18. Find one of them. Things will not get better if you stay in the relationship.
Why so many YtA? If a guy crosses my boundaries during a first date, there will not be a second date. Period. These people make it seem like she “owes” him anything beyond common courtesy.
He was testing you. At least he didn’t pretend to forget his wallet - that’s happened to me and is totally a thing. ( Pro tip - if you are going to pretend to forget your wallet, don’t take it out later to retrieve your parking card) You were right to end things because there would be more ridiculous tests later.
NTA. The guy asked you out and picked the restaurant, of course he should pay. The cost of the restaurant is on him. You don't owe him anything. Blocking him- you followed our gut. More women should do this.
Even if it was just the "assuming he was paying for the date, him asking for separate checks and then paying for both checks anyway" is indeed testing you. And that's disrespectful as f**k. You didn't chose the restaurant for the date, he did.
I think I would have asked, "What are you staring at my card? This is awkward and creepy," and then decided what to do from that reply. She should have never mentioned the 500 dollar restaurant for a first date, no matter her reasons. That's also weird.
She didn't suggest it for a first date. She discouraged it and suggested a cheaper place.
Load More Replies...Yeah idk about this one. The defensiveness and added details makes it sound made up. In the post OP sounds like she's upset that he's testing her, but when defending herself in comments she makes it sound like she was more upset about him learning her last name. IF it's real, I think YTA. Maaaaybe he's a little bit of a butt for looking at her last name, but I think more than anything he was trying to make a joke but it didn't hit because she's had stalkers in the past? Regardless, I don't believe she thought that was the big deal. I think she pivoted to that being what she was upset about when other posters called her out on blocking him instead of communicating with him. You don't like guys who play games, but you're playing games yourself with that s**t. If you didn't like that he paid, just talk about it instead of making assumptions. Make an assumption, now you're an a*s.
Women todsy fear to share private info, we are stalked snd we are afraid to say a direct NO due to way men react. You are not a woman, you dont know the reality.
Load More Replies...I agree that it was creepy for her date to act as if he was going to let her split the bill, then study her credit card to get her name. I read an article about people doing this (reading your name off your credit card) and it was considered a red flag. Venmo him half the money if you want, but he offered to pay and you do not owe him anything. I think it's good that you blocked him.
As a guy, I’d be more than a little irritated with the games he was playing and the boundary he stomped over as well. Instead of blocking him immediately, she COULD have sent a text explaining that and MAYBE see how he responded, but it was his first date MO to play games. She’s not obligated to play along by his rules when he obviously didn’t respect hers. He didn’t listen when she suggested somewhere more frugal, he “tested” her with the check and then grabbed her card and ignored that she had said she didn’t want to give up her last name yet. Three strikes, she was right to bench him.
To me it sounds like he was playfully bantering and teasing. In the sense like "ha gotya!" First of all yes he should have paid the whole bill as he invited you and insisted going to your favorite place. I would have understood you being upset if suddenly it would have been separate checks. Thát would have been a dealbreaker. What i don't understand is that you find it perfectly fine to go out with someone and have yourself a good time and be pampered by eating great with someone you don't trust enough to give your last name. I would not say AITAH, but AIVW, yes you act Very Weird, and blocking and ghosting without any explanation is extremely rude. And the fact that you use internet to seek approval makes it even worse. Bad taste.
It was a trick and he will no doubt have gone home and googled her after he found out her last name. she was right to block him
Those commenters have obviously never been stalked. I was a bartender too and I've been both stalked and nearly murdered, twice. If you don't want to share your last name, he should have honored that. Absolute BLOCK behavior.
What does venmo mean!? Maybe put up an abbreviation chart too! Good grief!
we in Europa don't have such problems - we don't introduce ourselves with last name - I asked my now hubby his last name after about month of going out
Mental note to self: pay cash instead of using a card with my name on it, at least until I feel safe enough to reveal my last name.
For petessake, change your credit card, it's been compromised. It's a risk you don't want to take.
IDK, I would probably ask him, why he did that. First he wants to splitt the check and like 10 min later he is paying for everythig? He might do that to find out if she is willing to pay for herself (and I think it´s perfectly fine for men to pay just for them on first date) but it´s weird to be like oh, she would pay for her food so now I can be the gentleman and cover the bill. Like, just let her pay without the plot twist. However, if he did it because he wanted to know her name from credit card, that is big red flag. Absolutely not okay to touch someone else´s card, unless it´s your job or you are real close (like my BF sometimes gives me his card to pay for something)
Trust your gut. If you were seriously interested in this guy, you'd give him another chance, another date, and see how it plays out. You weren't though, and didn't hesitate to be done with him. There were creepy red flags…tricking you into giving away your last name when you wanted to keep it private and testing you on the check split…it was totally a test. If, when you said "Separate Checks" he just said, No, its on me, he would have found out that you were willing and able to pay without it being inconvenient for the server and awkward for you with the credit card reading. You didn't owe him $250 though. Onward and upward to a guy you're more in sync with.
He was dishonest and creepy. He chose not to respect your wishes. It’s not a gold digger move if you were willing to pay your own way. What he did was wrong. This was his choice not yours. You also didn’t block him just because you wanted a date. You blocked him for safety reasons. Always always listen to how you feel.
This was obviously a way to make her get her card out so he could find out her last name. It had nothing to do with who was paying or if she was a gold digger or not
This could have maybe all been avoided if she had just refused to go to her favorite restaurant on a first date. Being he is a teacher, and they are not paid that well, it almost seems like he felt he had to compete with your ability to go there.
I’m a teacher - how did this guy pay for a $500 dinner??? That’s the sus part! 🤣
I’m sure he would have got great satisfaction from tricking you which is crewel and a red flag. He didn’t respect you boundaries or privacy. He didn’t allow you to go at your own pace. Yep, Block him because if you explained to him why you didn’t want to see him again, this also would have been another challenge for him to conquer.
Sooo reading the original post she writes “and it wasn’t even his little comment of “oh now I finally know your last name”… so this wasn’t the reason she was offended and blocked him. Only afterwards did she take offence to this action when defending herself from people calling her an a*****e
Bottom line is I don't think that anything malicious was going on here. This just seems like strange behavior, misunderstandings, misjudgements and an awkward date. When I was first dating and had money, I used to try to impress with an expensive dinner. Almost always an empty and wasteful gesture. Later in life I realized that, if we were going out to eat, going to a dive with good, cheap eats was a better way to get to know each other. Also, I've never been to a $500 restaurant... some people have some very different values I reckon.
A guy who lived overseas who I was dating came to visit me in New York. Around 10 one morning I said, "Let's go to my favorite taco place." He said sure. We went & it was terrific. He later said he was surprised because he thought tacos were greasy things you eat for lunch but these were fresh & tasty on handmade tortillas. We're married & I live overseas now too. And I still miss that taco place!
The whole “women only pay when they’re not interested” thing has come up before. I don’t know how anyone gets past any first date without all the mixed messaging that goes on. I would get eaten alive if I was dating in todays climate…🫤
He made her feel uncomfortable. After several, valid, red flags, she knocked it on the head. It happens.
Load More Replies...I can't tell you the number of dates that I have been on where the woman has done extensive research on me, from finding my job, my address, all the information on me she possibly can. Each one that has done so has explained that they wanted to make sure that I was really who I said, that I was in law enforcement, that I actually worked for the state, etc. Since I am exactly who I state I am, it is not a big deal for me. However, I can see it from this guys perspective, he wanted a last name to at least be able to do a little research. As far as he knows he doesn't even have a valid first name or age or any real information. It is a concern for those people seeking a real person to interact with and/or date. I worked in law enforcement but wasn't shy about having my name in the phone book. If one is constantly worried about people looking up a name, then perhaps one isn't in a place to begin dating. For myself, if I ask someone on a date, I pay for the date. That is how I was raised.
what the actualy f**k, you cant even want to know the name of a person you are on adate to not look like a creep and weirdo.
Trust is something that builds over time. Men are inherently dangerous to women, and, like you suggested, plenty of women do opt out of dating for that reason. And if they all did, you'd find another reason to b*tch at women for not making themselves available to you. Because that's what you're really asking them to do. You don't care about their safety.
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Load More Replies...You have no idea the manipulation men have tried on me (and succeeded in the beginning). I'm glad you don't understand, because that means you're not one of those men. Believe women have met them though, and not every man thinks the way you do.
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