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Anti-Vax Mom’s Messages After Finding Out Her 19-Year-Old Daughter Got Vaccinated Will Leave You Baffled
Rokas Laurinavičius Senior Writer 656
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We make a lot of silly decisions when we come of age, but this 19-year-old girl probably made the smartest one she could. She got vaccines. Six of them. For us, being pro-vaccination might not sound like a big deal, but her anti-vax mom completely lost it, and someone on the internet documented her entire Facebook rage rant.
People have been destroying anti-vaxxers for a long time, but when nobody shuts them down for a duration of a full conversation, we get a good glimpse of what goes on in their heads. Weirdly enough, nobody talked about vaccines and autism, as this is usually the most prominent theme for anti-vaxxers to discuss. Scroll down to check out why this anti-vaccination mom and her friends felt “heartbroken” after her daughter went to the doctor to get an immunization, and let us know your thoughts about it in the comments!
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This story of a young individual choosing to get vaccinated resonates deeply with another situation where a teenager publicly challenged anti-vaccination beliefs. A teen from Ohio bravely shared his journey online about seeking vaccinations against his mother’s wishes. He became part of a larger dialogue around the importance of advocating for informed health decisions. For those interested, this highlights how young adults can take charge of their health despite anti-vax sentiments from their parents.
You can read more about these courageous teens standing up for their health in this related battle against misinformation.
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NickelWorld123 7 years ago
Holy s**t. I was not aware that so many people where this stupid. "Dont get vaccines that help you to not get sick". " They will make you sick". "Yes, the dead, miniscule amount of germs will make you sick.
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Bunzilla 7 years ago
I've got an autoimmune disease, and I still get my vaccines. I'm typically laid out for about a week afterwards, but they truly do help strengthen my immune system just a bit. Just that little bit is enough, since when I do catch colds and flu, they aren't as severe (I don't get fevers at all, which makes them drag on and on and on...). The problem is for people like me, are people like this mother and her buddies who refuse to get vaccinated. Diseases that were almost wiped out in North America are making a comeback because of them. We have a society mostly free of seriously harmful mass-epidemics because of vaccines. Herd immunity doesn't work for those with autoimmune or compromised immune systems when there are idiots like these that refuse to get vaccinated.
Rasmus Bunch 7 years ago
Well... i got my shots at 20, the first week after i felt fine, the next three i had a fever and felt like s**t in general. Got small red bumps from the measels part of it. But that is a rarety. So yea, they can make you sick. But it's way better than actually getting the diseases themselves.
Dana Madden 7 years ago
NickelWorld123: not all vaccines have dead viruses in them. some have viruses in them that are still alive, but just barely. they are weakened to nearly dead to make it easier for the body to fight them, and to recognize them if the body is hit with them again.
theangelslayer400000 7 years ago
You should look up how big the flat earth society has gotten. Ridiculous times right now
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
There are actually almost 130,000 in the closed/private support group this was taken from (screen shots)
TreesInMyFace 7 years ago
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@Rasmus You can treat diseases naturally so you dont even have to risk getting sick either. Just use herbs/vitamins instead of vacs
Bart Simpsons 7 years ago
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holy c*w. i was not aware you come back to earth, its been centuries since our last meet here (on earth). so, hows mars? you know we will be going there shortly, makes you wonder how we are going to get to mars shortly, right? ;)
Carolyn Woisard 7 years ago
I agree with you, these people are lunatics that don't vaccinate against horrible horrible diseases
Just Carmen 7 years ago
What?! More like thank god she's smarter than ALL the idiots on that thread!! I'm sorry, but anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated should be rounded up and put somewhere where they all live together. This way, the general public (which is smart enough to get vaccinated) is safe from these idiots. And when there's an outbreak in the unvaccinated, it only affects them. You can call it the thinning of the herd!
Elaine 7 years ago
Bobby Clemente, in any society there are people who might not be completely immunized, such as babies who have not received all their shots yet, or people with compromised immune systems who cannot be vaccinated, and the rare instance where someone might not be completely immune even after getting vaccinated. But when enough people in a population get vaccinated, this vulnerable group can benefit from "herd immunity".
Rachel Small 7 years ago
Hahaha this is sadistic but also like wouldn’t be entirely unfair evolutionarily speaking
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
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If the vaccines work why wouldn't the general public be safe?
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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I have always been curious about suggestions such as this. If the rest of us are vaccinated, why should we be concerned about those around us that are not vaccinated?
Matt Flannery 7 years ago
even churches support vaccination. You may be an athiest, but even those with faith can do the smart thing
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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It's interesting that your faith in God's lack of existence is as fervent as that of those who believe in God. Frankly, those who believe in God are smarter. If they're wrong, they're no worse off. If you're wrong, whew. Bring sunblock, baby. It gonna get warm where you's goin'.
TreesInMyFace 7 years ago
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https://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give/
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Wow. What a pip. Classic child abuser. She's actually hunting for sympathy because her daughter doesn't want to die from cervical cancer. She's a piece of work. ...One thing the daughter can do is tell her physician that her medical information shouldn't be sent to her mother any more. She is a legal adult and she has the right to keep her personal information private. ... I suspect that if she does that, Mommy Dearest will threaten to take her off insurance, but that will just prove that she needs to get away from her abuser.
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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What is the matter with you people? Munchhausen By Proxy is a serious mental disability with the intent of doing harm. I do not agree with this woman either but she's not breaking the law. It is her right and her responsibility to do for her child what she thinks is best. If you want to step in and start telling people how to raise their children than stand back because someone is going to come in right behind you and do the same to you. MBP is a terrible and tragic matter of abuse. It is a crime. Deciding not to pump chemicals into your child is not a crime. God help us all if it ever becomes one.
adoracat 7 years ago
My SIL died of cervical cancer. She had regular checkups that found the cancer early enough for treatment, which in her case would have been a partial hysterectomy. She lied to my brother and told him she got a second opinion and was treated successfully. All because her mother had her BRAINWASHED that if she did not have a baby of her own body that she was not a real woman. Her diseased reproductive system never got pregnant, and she died with her body absolutely riddled with cancer. I applaud this 19 year old young woman for protecting her health by getting immunized! Plus, immunization does not necessarily mean you're going to skip getting ill, I had measles as a child some months AFTER my shots were finished. Had chicken pox twice, too. (But I'm an admitted weirdo)
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Vaccinations are never 100% and anyone who tells you that is lying. However if you DO get sick after getting vaccinated, you will recover more quickly and not get as sick in the first place, since you already have antibodies to the disease. .... None of these things are anything to play with. I remember vividly being forced into an ice bath when I had measles, because the fevers I was spiking were high enough to risk brain damage. There was no vaccination then. ...
Kerry Carrigan 7 years ago
Everyone still a chance of getting meas and chick pox, but stops the awful doses, that cause meningitis, encephalitis etc
porcupine 7 years ago
I thought the whole point was to keep her kid “safe” and “healthy.” Taking her off of medical insurance directly contradicts her original intentions and would give her daughter a hell of a lot of ammo. I kinda hope she does it.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, though. I can see her making that threat, then being surprised when her daughter not only moves out, but stops having contact with her altogether.
Carolyn Woisard 7 years ago
Bunch of lunatics the don't vaccinate their children. It is a form of child abuse
Rebecca LeBlanc 7 years ago
actually all of her medical information legally is addressed to her, as soon as when a child turns 18 the doctors office would have automatically changed the guarantor, so the mom violated HIPAA by looking at her daughters records, not sure if her daughter left the paperwork out or if mom opened mail either way she broke the law.
porcupine 7 years ago
...by looking at her daughter’s records and then POSTING PHI on the web for the world to see. She included specific names of the vaccines and the full face pictures/ Facebook info that can be taken from this mother’s profile are both considered indentifiers. Her daughter could sue the s**t out of her.
Jason Rodgers 7 years ago
Actually she doesn't have to tell her Doctor that, you have it slightly backwards. They aren't allowed to give the adult daughter's information to ANYONE else WITHOUT her express permission to do so. HIPAA laws are very clear on this. Also, the Mother further violated HIPAA when she shared the daughter's medical information (what vaccines she'd received) openly on the internet again, clearly without her daughter's permission. From what I read though, the Mother likely read her mail without her permission either, so broken laws all around...
Sheena Leversedge Wood 7 years ago
when that vaccine came out, I was disappointed I was too old to get it
Jo Smith 7 years ago
If this is in the US then the insurance policy holders (parents) will often receive bills for their (grown) children. We had to specifically state to our insurance carrier that our grown children could pay for (and receive) their own bills.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
They might receive the bills, but they do NOT have the right to see detailed medical records of another adult. The daughter can legally prevent her doctor and the insurance company from permitting her mother to see those details. Doctor/patient confidentiality is sacred. Always.
Rebecca LeBlanc 7 years ago
The EOB's received by the insurance are addressed to the subscriber/policy holder and have general information regarding the visit, not full details. it is possible the mom saw the EOB, but sounds like she somehow saw a visit summary from the office. She can contact the insurance and request her EOBS to be sent to her instead.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
@Thomas - Cool your jets. Public health is in EVERYONE'S interest and should never be permitted to be ignored because deliberately ignorant parents would rather see children die from easily preventable diseases than give up their hysterical attachment to b******t. .... I think that any parent whose child suffers permanent damage from a disease that could have been prevented with a simple jab (measles causes varying levels of brain damage and blindness, mumps isn't called the "viral vasectomy" for nothing) should go to prison for assault causing bodily harm. .... Any parent whose child dies of an easily preventable disease IS guilty of murder. They'd rather massage their own egos than protect their own children - which is sick on many, many levels.
Kim Lorton 7 years ago
Most people alive today, that have had sex, likely have the HPV. And, they don’t even know it! Until you are tested for it specifically, you don’t know. Same thing with herpes! There are more people out there with it, than don’t have it. There are those that have the breakouts and awful rashes, and those that experience no breakouts for their entire lives, but can still pass the virus to partners.
Owiella Freddie 7 years ago
There was mention of her daughter being "at work" so I think it's safe to assume the daughter has her own insurance (through work) now.
scrappyrat 7 years ago
Most jobs...even really good jobs...don't provide any sort of insurance or the offer an insurance option that it so expensive it is simply out of reach for the majority of their employees. If they make enough money, they can potentially get coverage via the Affordable Care Act, but that is also too expensive for multitudes of people working even multiple jobs. As a student, it's unlikely that she gets paid enough for the "luxury" of health insurance unless someone else is paying for it, like her mom, unfortunately.
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
You know, Aunt Messy, when you refer to people like this as "classic child abusers" you diminish the pain of those who suffered under the heavy hand of real abuse. I may not agree with it either but these people simply choose not to pump chemicals into their children's bodies. That is their legal right. It's not abuse. She clearly raised a wise and open-minded child. That is to her credit, not her shame. Stop being so flippant with the term "child abuse". Believe me, what you're doing is much worse than what this woman did. And far more painful.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
You simply show your profound ignorance. You almost have to practice to be so wrong. See my above comments and either do some research or shut up.
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
Yes, PRIVATE - the screen shots were taken from a CLOSED support group... which has almost 130,000 members. Not cool that someone posted it here :-(
Lillian Watson 7 years ago
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I wouldn't call her a child abuser but the mother is a needy for attention hippie!
Aahzmandus Pervect 7 years ago
She most definitely is a child abuser, as well as all the other wackos that don't vaccinate their children.
Andrew Keane 7 years ago
This mother's greatest achievement is that against all odds she has raised a daughter smarter than her.
Tigger O 7 years ago
Chino - I don't have a clue what you're saying - and I doubt many others do either. It looks to me like, in spite of her mother's prejudices, the daughter was sensible enough and old enough to decide for herself. What that has to do with belief in a god of any description I have no idea.
Rafaella Bueno 7 years ago
Would like to know where the father is in all this. Was he present? Did he have any hand in this either way?
Matt Zukowski 7 years ago
Wow! That's the real Whale.to. That's a conspiracy theory website where you learn among other things Hitler was a British agent, there is a shadow government of shape shifting reptiles, and the US Navy is committing genocide on the flying dolphins. It's also a repository for some really old fringe reports on vaccines like risks of the small pox vaccination. We don't routinely vaccinate for small pox unless you're military or a first responder.
Randall Winn 7 years ago
Maybe not against all odds; it's easier having a child smarter than you when you start out stupid.
Randy Santos 5 years ago
AV'ers the Big here is BIG Natural Health. If you follow the $$ that's where the big gains are
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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All vaccines are toxic. If you are too stupid to have noticed, virtually every outbreak of infectious disease hits the vaccinated much harder than the unvaccinated. So - the people who got shot up in order to NOT get the disease just got hammered by the disease they aren't supposed to get. How damned ineffective can you get? 2015 - Disney's measles fantasy - depending on who you read over 120 or more people got sick. NONE died, none got permanent damage - over 70% were vaccinated. Those NOT vaccinated are now PERMANENTLY IMMUNE - those with vaccines can NEVER get real immunity, biochemically impossible. Then NY State had measles outbreak - 90% of the sick were vaccinated. Mumps outbreak same summer - 97% were vaccinated. Whooping cough outbreaks start from the vaccinated - AND recent studies prove that you are 6.3X more likely to breathe flu viruses on others and they come FROM THE VACCINE because despite the lies you have been told, not all the viruses get killed. Mostly 3 factors -
Ryan Whiteley 7 years ago
LOL. You obviously didn't do your homework, or used biased sources that don't base their findings on fact. The data shows the exact opposite of what you say. The incident and mortality rate of diseases drops significantly to near zero levels every time an effective vaccine is introduced. It is completely false that diseases hit the vaccinated "first and harder". It's sad that antivaxxers have to lie to recruit others into their cult. Unlike you, I've actually provided facts in the form of a graph that show polio mortality rates vs. introduction of the vaccine. Oh look at that drop!
Stating the names of scaring sounding chemicals out of context is a common anti-vaxxer scare tactic. As with anything, education is key. Take formaldehyde for instance. Food, such as pears, naturally produce orders magnitude more formaldehyde than what's present in a vaccine. You also breath out more formaldehyde than what is present in a vaccine. Formaldehyde is a natural byproduct of your metabolism. polio-5a9c...e16788.png 
Ryan Whiteley 7 years ago
Take your own advice and stop parroting the antivaxxer conspiracy theory propaganda you learned off facebook.
La Petite Morte 7 years ago
@Ryan Thanks for being sensible. Formaldehyde, phenols, and other ethyl or aldehyde groups are far more present in nature, including produced by the human body, than people realize. I think people hear formaldehyde but their brains process it as CHEMICAL 'O DEATH because of vague ideas about embalming, and then panic as a result of misty recollection, spurious association, and random collation of tenuous facts.
Marieana Ptl 7 years ago
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Bradley save your time, they will never understand because they do not read or think, they choose to eat, s**t and drink all that the government say and big pharma. They rather watch tv instead of spending time with family and think for themselves. Sad.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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1) concentration of (neurotoxic and carcinogenic) formaldehyde. 2) Duration of time IN the formaldehyde. 3) Whether or not the virus is immune because some of them have thick enough cell walls to NOT be killed by the toxic vax ingredient formaldehyde. DUH. Do your phukn homework or be a lemming and parrot things you are told but don't know.
John Scudamore 7 years ago
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http://whale.to/c/vaccination_racket_summary.html
Hans 7 years ago
I hope all these people have no children, and do not go to public places either.
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Neill Powell 7 years ago
I openly discriminate against people who don't vaccinate (not those who can't due to socio-economic reasons). If my kid gets chicken-pox, before I can get that kid home, and isolated, he or she has probably infected yours. A potentially life-threatening situation. Keep your weak-a*s non-vaccinated kids outta my kids' way, or I'll make them breathe on yours.
Jenefer Lane 7 years ago
Exactly! Newborns cannot be immunized nor can some people, so having twits who refuse to get immunized wandering around unknown, touching things could lead to a baby or someone else getting a virulent , even deadly, disease/virus is beyond irresponsible. It's willfully ignorant and could even be attempted murder.
Doubanji 7 years ago
Saw a poor new born on the news a few weeks ago. Her older brother had had all his vaccinations but she'd been near someone who hadn't unknowingly and she was stopping breathing every few minutes due to the amount she was coughing. It was something like croup or whooping cough that is nasty in an older, vaccinated kid but life threatening for this poor baby and her parents who had to keep watching her stop breathing several times an hour... Unless there is a specific medical reason not to; in the UK it should be the law to vaccinate!!
Teddy O'Malley 7 years ago
One of them that said the awful things about HOPING op's daughter gets sick to "teach her a lesson" said she has their own daughter who would do something like this. And you know what. I wish that on her. I wish that person's daughter is smarter and all around better than them.
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
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There are over 130,000 in that group alone, and it was supposed to be a private/closed support group. Not cool that someone took screen shots and posted it publicly .
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
I would like to take a moment, while we're talking about vaccines, to talk about autism. Autism is not caused by vaccinations. The cause of autism is unknown, and scientists are working really hard to find out what causes it, but we know for sure vaccines are not the answer. Now, I would like to talk about autism itself. Autism is a developmental disorder that is on a huge spectrum. I myself was born with very mild autism, meaning I can go about my normal life most of the time with some social difficulties. However, it can range to the point where some cannot speak, and still need help with basic tasks. Ok, now that I got that out of the way... Please do not talk to people with autism like babies! It drives me mad! Also, please, do not talk about a person with autism to another person when the person with autism is nearby! We can hear you just fine, we're not stupid! Thank you for reading my rant. If you have any questions, comment below
Crystal Hickman 7 years ago
My nephew was born with severe autism and has a lot of difficulties, but I never speak to him like a baby. I can tell he understands everything that is said to him, but he has trouble communicating what he is thinking or feeling. Sometimes people talk to him like he's stupid and it makes me angry. The kid has a memory like a steel trap. I see him every weekend and as soon as i walk in the door he begins his routine of asking me a lot of questions (where's my house, where's my clothes, where's my car Sandy, etc.) He has a long list of questions and every so often he'll throw in a question about something he heard or saw months ago. His memory is amazing. He is truly special and gifted and i wouldn't change him for the world. But to make a long story short, thank you for bringing up the fact that is has nothing to do with vaccines and especially for asking people to not treat people with autism like they're babies.
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John 7 years ago
What's more, the doctor that originally made the claim that the 2 were related got disbarred for it. He made up fake reports to back his claim and got caught. Yet these idiots just keep repeating it.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Wakefield was trying to make and market his own vaccines and he couldn't get permission for testing them, so he tested them on children that were already mentally disabled. The "study" he did was discredited before the ink was dry and he no longer has a license to practice medicine. He narrowly avoided prison.
TheKnightOwl 7 years ago
My nephew was born with low functioning autism. He is now 20 yrs old, and cannot talk, and has just a few hand signals for things such as "toilet" "food" "water", and other basics. Two of my own three children have mild autism, the eldest being classified as Aspergers Syndrome; try talking to her like a baby, and she'll either walk away, look at you like you're insane, or slap you...all depending on her mood lol. Two of my maternal uncles' also had autism (have since passed away from unrelated health problems), and various family member have related conditions such as Tourette's, and ADHD. For us it is clearly hereditary, from the maternal side. I get so incredibly frustrated with anyone who related autism to vaccines; that theory was debunked a very long time ago, and it's an insult to science.
Matt Flannery 7 years ago
I'm glad you seem to have a good grasp on your family's needs and seems like a caring network. If your family is not good enough proof it is genetic, I don't know what would convince the woonatics
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
And then of course there's the anti autism diets that some parents do. Making your child vegan and feeding them a crapton of herbal supplements will do noting.
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Actually they've found the cause of Autism. People with Autism have too many nerosynaptic connections in the brain. They don't "prune" them the way other people do. It's just something you're born with.
Esmeleleu Silva 7 years ago
So it's like the next step in Human evolution: more brainpower and enhanced mental abillities. Being unable to express oneself through speech may be a side effect of that. However, maybe it just means that we (Humanity) will be able to communicate in different ways in the future.
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Except, Esmeleleu, if you study fairy folklore, specifically the folklore of the Changeling Child, you'll find that such a child is almost exactly that of a person with Autism. So Autism has been around for as long as there's been humans. Only at one time it was blamed on fairies.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
In ABA, I often find that kids are talked to like babies, so I needed to rant about that.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
Wow guys, I didn't know myself the cause of autism and bam! You guys swoop in! Thanks!
Micki Van Patten 7 years ago
You go honey! Thanks for the rant, more people need to hear this.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
We now know that autism is strongly linked to the age of the father, and so is Down's Syndrome. The older the father, the more likely it is that there will be mutations in his children.
Megan Romero-Herman 7 years ago
As someone who works in the Autistic community I see no correlation with age of father and autistic kids..
James Weedman 7 years ago
I have an idea of my own (*PLEASE NOTE* - I am not a doctor or medical researcher, neither am I trying to sell anything) about what might be responsible for the dramatic uptick of autism in the highly developed world. I have a sneaking suspicion that it may (I have no evidence, just a hunch) have something to do with everything we touch, eat, drink, breathe, etc being made, with, or contained in plastics. I worked for a short time in a plastics-molding facility many moons ago, and due to curiosity and a retention for things I find unusual I have a loose, totally unverified, yet plausible notion. To preface, I'm 45 and the PlasFac I worked in when I was 20 was actually a baby-product manufactury. (Luv'N'Care)(in the textile portion of the building (I never worked textile) the brand was Mini-Togs) Being a 'bleeding-heart liberal', I actually cared that what I helped produce would be in contact with babies. (will continue)
Aahzmandus Pervect 7 years ago
The growth is due to the change in the definition of autism, which is now a much broader term. Hence, more autistic kids.
Jane Robson 7 years ago
Actually there is some evidence that it is also part of an inherited gene. For instance, my son is High Functioning Autistic (Asperger's Syndrome - but high end of that scale). We didn't think anything of his traits with not liking food to touch on a plate or being fussy with textures, not liking crowds, not looking in the eye, etc. etc. as my mother, my eldest brother and even my late grandfather (maternal) had some similar traits, even if not to such an extreme. Consequently my son wasn't diagnosed until he was 13. The specialist we saw said that there is some suggestion that it may be hereditary because people like my son would have just had to 'get on with it' back in my Grandfather's, mother's and even brother's day. Aspergers wasn't recognised until the 1980s, the fact that autism is a spectrum also wasn't recognised until around then. People just were not diagnosed whereas now they are, so it could be the improvement in diagnosis that has increased the number of kids with autism
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Autism has been around for as long as humans have been around. You're BORN with it. Period.
Teddy O'Malley 7 years ago
It's partly due to growth in population. More people, more problems
James Weedman 7 years ago
(2nd continuation) In the roughly 2 generations since I was saving glass bottles, glass bottles have become an endangered species. Baby bottles are plastic. Everything the Mommy comes into contact with is plastic. And as the steady dominance of plastics has increased remarkably during my days, so have the cases of autism, as well as acute allergies. ONCE AGAIN - THIS IS A GUESS AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AUTHORITATIVE BY ANYONE.
James Weedman 7 years ago
(continuation) I became more aware of plastics' role in our lives, and the ever-increasing reliance on them. Plastics are derived from crude oil; they are cousins to gasoline. For that matter, these days, even chewing gum is a petroproduct with closer ties to Vaseline (which is actually used by some as a daily laxative) than any gum tree. When I was young, plastics were also young. We took our glass soda bottles back to the store because (well, because we would get 5-10c back per bottle) they were sent back to the bottler, washed, sterilized, and refilled. That was recycling back then - use what you have as long as you can. Then, DISPOSABLE became the go-to for 'Yuppies'. On the go, gotta make that dollar! Therefore, the investments went toward 100% DISPOSABLE EVERYTHING!!!!!! Plastics give off chemicals that, when taken into a human body, can mimic hormones. (will continue)
Jami Russell 7 years ago
They don't grow, it's that they're recognized and diagnosed more now instead of the excuses of "Well, they're just a weird child" or "they're really a fairy changeling, not a human being." I have a friend who found out as an adult she's on the spectrum. Her parents actually KNEW she was but didn't want to deal with it so they never told her. All this time she thought her various problems were because of her ADHD.
Claire Hoyt 6 years ago
No. Our population grows, therefore the rates of autism grow. This has nothing to do with vaccines.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
So... basically over the last few years, people have been having babies at later ages. The age of the father is directly correlated to Autism. So, bam.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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The official govt court - the NVICP or National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out over $3.5 BILLION dollars for injuries and deaths PROVEN to be caused by vaccines. Among them - 83 cases in which they paid out for PROVEN VACCINE DAMAGES which caused "neurological damage to include autism". Period. So you are wrong - SOME autism is vax related. Some is also caused by acetaminophen - which this last year the FDA recommended that you NOT take while pregnant (because of your fetus) or give to newborns, infants, or babies. In 1980 when the circumcision bozos made acetaminophen the painkiller of choice their circumcised boys IMMEDIATELY (and just them) immediately saw a jump in autism incidence. Two years in the 80s saw reducet acetaminophen sales because of contamination - those two years are the ONLY two years since the 70s in which autism decreased. So you give your kid a vaccine and it hurts their stomach becaue - duh - it's damaging their probiotic balance - and then b
La Petite Morte 7 years ago
Bradley, what color is the sky in your world? I'm genuinely curious as it appears you aren't living in the same phase as intelligent people.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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because they hurt - you give them some children's Tylenol..... Oops. Double whammy? Oh - and recently this year a scientific study stated that UNEQUIVOCALLY - a specific child had their autism caused by a vaccine. In reality what happens is that many vaccines have a possible negative response called encephalitis - a swelling in the brain. THAT can and does cause autism.
Thomas Kammerer 7 years ago
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You really need to at least take the time to watch VAXXED. And then do more research. I’m not going to get into a debate about vaccines here as it would be too long, but the USA has the heaviest vaccine administration in the world and has the highest autism rates and growing. Vaccines are big business and the CDC makes billions on them every year. Just follow the money!
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
Yeah, but you cant get diagnosed with autism if you die of polio first!
Wes Irvine 7 years ago
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Your right. Vaccines don't cause autism. Thousands of parents who watched their child regress straight after vaccination are probably all delusional
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Schizophrenia often doesn't show up until your 30s. For a while some people thought owning a cat caused it (specifically cleaning the litter box) simply because a lot of Schizophrenics owned cats. But that's been debunked just like the vaccines causing Autism has been 100% debunked. People were going on correlation, not causation.
Jonathan Eatsalot 7 years ago
"I hope she had an awful reaction" F**k these people.....................hard
rhinana 7 years ago
That person is a terrible, terrible person. Wishing someone ill like that? So messed up.
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Claudia Machado 7 years ago
The mother is hoping the same thing. She wants to be able to say "I told you so". The worst thing is that if the girl gets sick even an year later, the mother will say "I told you so". I feel bad for children who can't go to the doctors by themselves.
thebridget 7 years ago
I hope someone was able to be get a screenshot of these comments to the daughter to confirm that she made the right choice and none of these people have her best interests at heart. Yikes.
Hannah Tyler 7 years ago
"8 years I've been teaching her and she just listens to someone she deems more educated." Yeah like a f*****g doctor who went to medical school? I'm pretty they know more about that s**t than you do after reading some articles on Facebook lady
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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that when you increase flu vaccinations in a specific population group, THAT group has higher flu incidence the following year. Hmmm. Look up OAS and it easily explains WHY the flu shot phooks up your immune system.
AnnSmithJones 7 years ago
"Hey Mom, tell me again where you read vaxxing is BAD and DANGEROUS? From a stripper? Thanks Mom, but I think I'm going to listen to the advice of an actual doctor and so should you! " (aachoo!) Mother: "what's that, what's happening?! Sounds like a reaction from those shots, ohhhh nooo!" Daughter: "it's just dust in my nose, mom. I haven't caught autism , don't worry..."
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
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Yeah they have our best interests at heart, don't they? The indu$try that's controlled by Big Pharma.
Mary Rybicki 7 years ago
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sorry Hanna most MD's don't know how the body works,they are symptom managers.Its stupid simple our blood supply feeds the whole body its a closed loop.Its not designed to be breached with chemicals the body cant Identify.Those chems go to the organs and cause damage.I have been sick most of my life.I found out in 2000 when I almost died from a reaction to a work required vaccine.the damage vaccines are doing to us.Boost the immune system and let the body do its job .Its been taking care of us for thousands of years.Most vaccines are for things that are prevented.such as good hygiene not screwing around,etc thanks for letting me rant I'm living in hell thanks to vaccines destroying my nervous system.
Margaret Terrell Williams 7 years ago
That's just stupid. Have you not seen where measles, and other DEADLY diseases are making a comeback? That's because of these anti-vaxxers. Even the best hygiene won't protect you from some of those diseases! A child in Colorado actually caught the plague. I'm sorry that you are having problems with your nervous system, but for the good of society, vaccines are necessary.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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Not everyone who isn't an MD is allowing theirself to be kept in ignorance as deeply as you, dear. Fact - in med school doctors get a short afternoon on vaccines, consisting of flawed vax theory, dishonest history, and their current CDC jab schedule. Agammimmunoglobuminaemia was found mid-1900s. People with this condition (estimated to be about 6% of the population) don't make ANY antibodies at all. Hmm - what is the significance you should wonder? Well vaccines are called effective because of their "antigen response". That means an antigen - something the body removes with antibodies - causes the body to make antibodies to get rid of the antigen, whether that is a food or pollen one is allergic to - or a vaccine ingredient. So - the industry says that vax "effectiveness" is proven by this - but they never test the results of the vax in terms of reducing the disease and measuring the safety of the vaccine in any sort of scientific manner. The industry has, shockingly, NEVER, EVER had
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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a safety study in which there was an inert placebo. In which a vaccinated person was compared to an UN-vaccinated person -and thus no safety study is actually even scientific - by definition. So the people with this big long condition got the same childhood diseases as the vaccinated people now get and their cure rate and cure times were not different from the vaccinated people at all. This proves that "antigen response" is NOT an accurate measurement of vaccine effectiveness at all. Oh - and your doc doesn't know about agammaimmunoglobuminaemia, nor is he/she likely to know about OAS - Original Antigenic Sin - which PROVES beyond doubt that getting flu shots prevents your immune system from effectively dealing with the influenza virus as well as being non-vaccinated does. Oops. Perhaps if you knew what the hell YOU were talking about instead of just parroting the lamestream point of view - you'd say "HEY! THAT explains the Canadian Flu Paradox." You know, the repeated observation tha
So_cat Socrate 7 years ago
So much people without any medical/scientific/AnythingUsefulInThisSituation formation, who still think they KNOW how vaccines work after 5 minutes of research on google...Pitiful, but Isaac Asimov was right saying "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"...and not only in US, sadly...
Gayle Bynum Cardosa 7 years ago
It's Idiocracy. Soon enough we'll be watering crops with Mountain Dew.
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Margaret Terrell Williams 7 years ago
Maybe Soylent Green would be better. Made with anti-vaxxers. And before you get upset, it's a JOKE people! :)
Diana Hockley 7 years ago
This sort of ignorance is everywhere, So-Cat. We have the idiots here in Australia as well :( Sadly, they breed...
Lomion 7 years ago
Truely this problem is international. It is a bad thing to say, but for me it is how natural selection works nowdays. The one who does not understand the value of vaccines, wiil be enevitably demiseed. Sadly they may influence others...
Micki Van Patten 7 years ago
Not so sadly in my view. Natural selection is a good thing. If you're influenced into bad choices, then you're in the right place for being selected against. Better out than in!
So_cat Socrate 7 years ago
What's really sad is, to be really effective and protect population from epidemics, vaccines must be taken by everyone. So these people are not only endangering themselves.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
She probably would have all right with the heroin...if is was organic.
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Jan Sumner 7 years ago
I wish they had been around when I was a kid too ,friend's who died of polio ,some who lost months of school due to whooping cough , babies in utero damaged by German measles .Too manykids/people dying from things that the vaccines prevent or minimise today ..sigh
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
I keep asking the antivaxxers where the bodies are. Shouldn't babies be dropping like flies from all those vaccinations? How is it that there are any kids at all?
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
Some people have already died, Einstein, inc many vets who were given vaccs for anthrax before going to the Gulf War.
Lori Rodriguez 7 years ago
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Well. 1 in 6 children have chronic illness BUT you didn't get as many as they do. Born in 1995? 13 vaccines... 2017 it's 73 doses so...
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Yes. And I wish they'd all been around when I was a kid, so I wouldn't have had to suffer through mumps (twice), measles, scarlet fever, chicken pox, and every other thing that are now easily preventable. There's nothing more selfish, ugly, and abusive than to force children to go through that hell.
NickelWorld123 7 years ago
Holy s**t. I was not aware that so many people where this stupid. "Dont get vaccines that help you to not get sick". " They will make you sick". "Yes, the dead, miniscule amount of germs will make you sick.
Load More Replies... Bunzilla 7 years ago
I've got an autoimmune disease, and I still get my vaccines. I'm typically laid out for about a week afterwards, but they truly do help strengthen my immune system just a bit. Just that little bit is enough, since when I do catch colds and flu, they aren't as severe (I don't get fevers at all, which makes them drag on and on and on...). The problem is for people like me, are people like this mother and her buddies who refuse to get vaccinated. Diseases that were almost wiped out in North America are making a comeback because of them. We have a society mostly free of seriously harmful mass-epidemics because of vaccines. Herd immunity doesn't work for those with autoimmune or compromised immune systems when there are idiots like these that refuse to get vaccinated.
Rasmus Bunch 7 years ago
Well... i got my shots at 20, the first week after i felt fine, the next three i had a fever and felt like s**t in general. Got small red bumps from the measels part of it. But that is a rarety. So yea, they can make you sick. But it's way better than actually getting the diseases themselves.
Dana Madden 7 years ago
NickelWorld123: not all vaccines have dead viruses in them. some have viruses in them that are still alive, but just barely. they are weakened to nearly dead to make it easier for the body to fight them, and to recognize them if the body is hit with them again.
theangelslayer400000 7 years ago
You should look up how big the flat earth society has gotten. Ridiculous times right now
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
There are actually almost 130,000 in the closed/private support group this was taken from (screen shots)
TreesInMyFace 7 years ago
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@Rasmus You can treat diseases naturally so you dont even have to risk getting sick either. Just use herbs/vitamins instead of vacs
Bart Simpsons 7 years ago
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holy c*w. i was not aware you come back to earth, its been centuries since our last meet here (on earth). so, hows mars? you know we will be going there shortly, makes you wonder how we are going to get to mars shortly, right? ;)
Carolyn Woisard 7 years ago
I agree with you, these people are lunatics that don't vaccinate against horrible horrible diseases
Just Carmen 7 years ago
What?! More like thank god she's smarter than ALL the idiots on that thread!! I'm sorry, but anyone that doesn't want to get vaccinated should be rounded up and put somewhere where they all live together. This way, the general public (which is smart enough to get vaccinated) is safe from these idiots. And when there's an outbreak in the unvaccinated, it only affects them. You can call it the thinning of the herd!
Elaine 7 years ago
Bobby Clemente, in any society there are people who might not be completely immunized, such as babies who have not received all their shots yet, or people with compromised immune systems who cannot be vaccinated, and the rare instance where someone might not be completely immune even after getting vaccinated. But when enough people in a population get vaccinated, this vulnerable group can benefit from "herd immunity".
Rachel Small 7 years ago
Hahaha this is sadistic but also like wouldn’t be entirely unfair evolutionarily speaking
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
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If the vaccines work why wouldn't the general public be safe?
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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I have always been curious about suggestions such as this. If the rest of us are vaccinated, why should we be concerned about those around us that are not vaccinated?
Matt Flannery 7 years ago
even churches support vaccination. You may be an athiest, but even those with faith can do the smart thing
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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It's interesting that your faith in God's lack of existence is as fervent as that of those who believe in God. Frankly, those who believe in God are smarter. If they're wrong, they're no worse off. If you're wrong, whew. Bring sunblock, baby. It gonna get warm where you's goin'.
TreesInMyFace 7 years ago
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https://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give/
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Wow. What a pip. Classic child abuser. She's actually hunting for sympathy because her daughter doesn't want to die from cervical cancer. She's a piece of work. ...One thing the daughter can do is tell her physician that her medical information shouldn't be sent to her mother any more. She is a legal adult and she has the right to keep her personal information private. ... I suspect that if she does that, Mommy Dearest will threaten to take her off insurance, but that will just prove that she needs to get away from her abuser.
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
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What is the matter with you people? Munchhausen By Proxy is a serious mental disability with the intent of doing harm. I do not agree with this woman either but she's not breaking the law. It is her right and her responsibility to do for her child what she thinks is best. If you want to step in and start telling people how to raise their children than stand back because someone is going to come in right behind you and do the same to you. MBP is a terrible and tragic matter of abuse. It is a crime. Deciding not to pump chemicals into your child is not a crime. God help us all if it ever becomes one.
adoracat 7 years ago
My SIL died of cervical cancer. She had regular checkups that found the cancer early enough for treatment, which in her case would have been a partial hysterectomy. She lied to my brother and told him she got a second opinion and was treated successfully. All because her mother had her BRAINWASHED that if she did not have a baby of her own body that she was not a real woman. Her diseased reproductive system never got pregnant, and she died with her body absolutely riddled with cancer. I applaud this 19 year old young woman for protecting her health by getting immunized! Plus, immunization does not necessarily mean you're going to skip getting ill, I had measles as a child some months AFTER my shots were finished. Had chicken pox twice, too. (But I'm an admitted weirdo)
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Vaccinations are never 100% and anyone who tells you that is lying. However if you DO get sick after getting vaccinated, you will recover more quickly and not get as sick in the first place, since you already have antibodies to the disease. .... None of these things are anything to play with. I remember vividly being forced into an ice bath when I had measles, because the fevers I was spiking were high enough to risk brain damage. There was no vaccination then. ...
Kerry Carrigan 7 years ago
Everyone still a chance of getting meas and chick pox, but stops the awful doses, that cause meningitis, encephalitis etc
porcupine 7 years ago
I thought the whole point was to keep her kid “safe” and “healthy.” Taking her off of medical insurance directly contradicts her original intentions and would give her daughter a hell of a lot of ammo. I kinda hope she does it.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
She's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, though. I can see her making that threat, then being surprised when her daughter not only moves out, but stops having contact with her altogether.
Carolyn Woisard 7 years ago
Bunch of lunatics the don't vaccinate their children. It is a form of child abuse
Rebecca LeBlanc 7 years ago
actually all of her medical information legally is addressed to her, as soon as when a child turns 18 the doctors office would have automatically changed the guarantor, so the mom violated HIPAA by looking at her daughters records, not sure if her daughter left the paperwork out or if mom opened mail either way she broke the law.
porcupine 7 years ago
...by looking at her daughter’s records and then POSTING PHI on the web for the world to see. She included specific names of the vaccines and the full face pictures/ Facebook info that can be taken from this mother’s profile are both considered indentifiers. Her daughter could sue the s**t out of her.
Jason Rodgers 7 years ago
Actually she doesn't have to tell her Doctor that, you have it slightly backwards. They aren't allowed to give the adult daughter's information to ANYONE else WITHOUT her express permission to do so. HIPAA laws are very clear on this. Also, the Mother further violated HIPAA when she shared the daughter's medical information (what vaccines she'd received) openly on the internet again, clearly without her daughter's permission. From what I read though, the Mother likely read her mail without her permission either, so broken laws all around...
Sheena Leversedge Wood 7 years ago
when that vaccine came out, I was disappointed I was too old to get it
Jo Smith 7 years ago
If this is in the US then the insurance policy holders (parents) will often receive bills for their (grown) children. We had to specifically state to our insurance carrier that our grown children could pay for (and receive) their own bills.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
They might receive the bills, but they do NOT have the right to see detailed medical records of another adult. The daughter can legally prevent her doctor and the insurance company from permitting her mother to see those details. Doctor/patient confidentiality is sacred. Always.
Rebecca LeBlanc 7 years ago
The EOB's received by the insurance are addressed to the subscriber/policy holder and have general information regarding the visit, not full details. it is possible the mom saw the EOB, but sounds like she somehow saw a visit summary from the office. She can contact the insurance and request her EOBS to be sent to her instead.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
@Thomas - Cool your jets. Public health is in EVERYONE'S interest and should never be permitted to be ignored because deliberately ignorant parents would rather see children die from easily preventable diseases than give up their hysterical attachment to b******t. .... I think that any parent whose child suffers permanent damage from a disease that could have been prevented with a simple jab (measles causes varying levels of brain damage and blindness, mumps isn't called the "viral vasectomy" for nothing) should go to prison for assault causing bodily harm. .... Any parent whose child dies of an easily preventable disease IS guilty of murder. They'd rather massage their own egos than protect their own children - which is sick on many, many levels.
Kim Lorton 7 years ago
Most people alive today, that have had sex, likely have the HPV. And, they don’t even know it! Until you are tested for it specifically, you don’t know. Same thing with herpes! There are more people out there with it, than don’t have it. There are those that have the breakouts and awful rashes, and those that experience no breakouts for their entire lives, but can still pass the virus to partners.
Owiella Freddie 7 years ago
There was mention of her daughter being "at work" so I think it's safe to assume the daughter has her own insurance (through work) now.
scrappyrat 7 years ago
Most jobs...even really good jobs...don't provide any sort of insurance or the offer an insurance option that it so expensive it is simply out of reach for the majority of their employees. If they make enough money, they can potentially get coverage via the Affordable Care Act, but that is also too expensive for multitudes of people working even multiple jobs. As a student, it's unlikely that she gets paid enough for the "luxury" of health insurance unless someone else is paying for it, like her mom, unfortunately.
Thomas O'Keefe 7 years ago
You know, Aunt Messy, when you refer to people like this as "classic child abusers" you diminish the pain of those who suffered under the heavy hand of real abuse. I may not agree with it either but these people simply choose not to pump chemicals into their children's bodies. That is their legal right. It's not abuse. She clearly raised a wise and open-minded child. That is to her credit, not her shame. Stop being so flippant with the term "child abuse". Believe me, what you're doing is much worse than what this woman did. And far more painful.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
You simply show your profound ignorance. You almost have to practice to be so wrong. See my above comments and either do some research or shut up.
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
Yes, PRIVATE - the screen shots were taken from a CLOSED support group... which has almost 130,000 members. Not cool that someone posted it here :-(
Lillian Watson 7 years ago
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I wouldn't call her a child abuser but the mother is a needy for attention hippie!
Aahzmandus Pervect 7 years ago
She most definitely is a child abuser, as well as all the other wackos that don't vaccinate their children.
Andrew Keane 7 years ago
This mother's greatest achievement is that against all odds she has raised a daughter smarter than her.
Tigger O 7 years ago
Chino - I don't have a clue what you're saying - and I doubt many others do either. It looks to me like, in spite of her mother's prejudices, the daughter was sensible enough and old enough to decide for herself. What that has to do with belief in a god of any description I have no idea.
Rafaella Bueno 7 years ago
Would like to know where the father is in all this. Was he present? Did he have any hand in this either way?
Matt Zukowski 7 years ago
Wow! That's the real Whale.to. That's a conspiracy theory website where you learn among other things Hitler was a British agent, there is a shadow government of shape shifting reptiles, and the US Navy is committing genocide on the flying dolphins. It's also a repository for some really old fringe reports on vaccines like risks of the small pox vaccination. We don't routinely vaccinate for small pox unless you're military or a first responder.
Randall Winn 7 years ago
Maybe not against all odds; it's easier having a child smarter than you when you start out stupid.
Randy Santos 5 years ago
AV'ers the Big here is BIG Natural Health. If you follow the $$ that's where the big gains are
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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All vaccines are toxic. If you are too stupid to have noticed, virtually every outbreak of infectious disease hits the vaccinated much harder than the unvaccinated. So - the people who got shot up in order to NOT get the disease just got hammered by the disease they aren't supposed to get. How damned ineffective can you get? 2015 - Disney's measles fantasy - depending on who you read over 120 or more people got sick. NONE died, none got permanent damage - over 70% were vaccinated. Those NOT vaccinated are now PERMANENTLY IMMUNE - those with vaccines can NEVER get real immunity, biochemically impossible. Then NY State had measles outbreak - 90% of the sick were vaccinated. Mumps outbreak same summer - 97% were vaccinated. Whooping cough outbreaks start from the vaccinated - AND recent studies prove that you are 6.3X more likely to breathe flu viruses on others and they come FROM THE VACCINE because despite the lies you have been told, not all the viruses get killed. Mostly 3 factors -
Ryan Whiteley 7 years ago
LOL. You obviously didn't do your homework, or used biased sources that don't base their findings on fact. The data shows the exact opposite of what you say. The incident and mortality rate of diseases drops significantly to near zero levels every time an effective vaccine is introduced. It is completely false that diseases hit the vaccinated "first and harder". It's sad that antivaxxers have to lie to recruit others into their cult. Unlike you, I've actually provided facts in the form of a graph that show polio mortality rates vs. introduction of the vaccine. Oh look at that drop!
Stating the names of scaring sounding chemicals out of context is a common anti-vaxxer scare tactic. As with anything, education is key. Take formaldehyde for instance. Food, such as pears, naturally produce orders magnitude more formaldehyde than what's present in a vaccine. You also breath out more formaldehyde than what is present in a vaccine. Formaldehyde is a natural byproduct of your metabolism. polio-5a9c...e16788.png
Ryan Whiteley 7 years ago
Take your own advice and stop parroting the antivaxxer conspiracy theory propaganda you learned off facebook.
La Petite Morte 7 years ago
@Ryan Thanks for being sensible. Formaldehyde, phenols, and other ethyl or aldehyde groups are far more present in nature, including produced by the human body, than people realize. I think people hear formaldehyde but their brains process it as CHEMICAL 'O DEATH because of vague ideas about embalming, and then panic as a result of misty recollection, spurious association, and random collation of tenuous facts.
Marieana Ptl 7 years ago
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Bradley save your time, they will never understand because they do not read or think, they choose to eat, s**t and drink all that the government say and big pharma. They rather watch tv instead of spending time with family and think for themselves. Sad.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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1) concentration of (neurotoxic and carcinogenic) formaldehyde. 2) Duration of time IN the formaldehyde. 3) Whether or not the virus is immune because some of them have thick enough cell walls to NOT be killed by the toxic vax ingredient formaldehyde. DUH. Do your phukn homework or be a lemming and parrot things you are told but don't know.
John Scudamore 7 years ago
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Hans 7 years ago
I hope all these people have no children, and do not go to public places either.
Load More Replies... Neill Powell 7 years ago
I openly discriminate against people who don't vaccinate (not those who can't due to socio-economic reasons). If my kid gets chicken-pox, before I can get that kid home, and isolated, he or she has probably infected yours. A potentially life-threatening situation. Keep your weak-a*s non-vaccinated kids outta my kids' way, or I'll make them breathe on yours.
Jenefer Lane 7 years ago
Exactly! Newborns cannot be immunized nor can some people, so having twits who refuse to get immunized wandering around unknown, touching things could lead to a baby or someone else getting a virulent , even deadly, disease/virus is beyond irresponsible. It's willfully ignorant and could even be attempted murder.
Doubanji 7 years ago
Saw a poor new born on the news a few weeks ago. Her older brother had had all his vaccinations but she'd been near someone who hadn't unknowingly and she was stopping breathing every few minutes due to the amount she was coughing. It was something like croup or whooping cough that is nasty in an older, vaccinated kid but life threatening for this poor baby and her parents who had to keep watching her stop breathing several times an hour... Unless there is a specific medical reason not to; in the UK it should be the law to vaccinate!!
Teddy O'Malley 7 years ago
One of them that said the awful things about HOPING op's daughter gets sick to "teach her a lesson" said she has their own daughter who would do something like this. And you know what. I wish that on her. I wish that person's daughter is smarter and all around better than them.
Cheryl Bostrom 7 years ago
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There are over 130,000 in that group alone, and it was supposed to be a private/closed support group. Not cool that someone took screen shots and posted it publicly .
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
I would like to take a moment, while we're talking about vaccines, to talk about autism. Autism is not caused by vaccinations. The cause of autism is unknown, and scientists are working really hard to find out what causes it, but we know for sure vaccines are not the answer. Now, I would like to talk about autism itself. Autism is a developmental disorder that is on a huge spectrum. I myself was born with very mild autism, meaning I can go about my normal life most of the time with some social difficulties. However, it can range to the point where some cannot speak, and still need help with basic tasks. Ok, now that I got that out of the way... Please do not talk to people with autism like babies! It drives me mad! Also, please, do not talk about a person with autism to another person when the person with autism is nearby! We can hear you just fine, we're not stupid! Thank you for reading my rant. If you have any questions, comment below
Crystal Hickman 7 years ago
My nephew was born with severe autism and has a lot of difficulties, but I never speak to him like a baby. I can tell he understands everything that is said to him, but he has trouble communicating what he is thinking or feeling. Sometimes people talk to him like he's stupid and it makes me angry. The kid has a memory like a steel trap. I see him every weekend and as soon as i walk in the door he begins his routine of asking me a lot of questions (where's my house, where's my clothes, where's my car Sandy, etc.) He has a long list of questions and every so often he'll throw in a question about something he heard or saw months ago. His memory is amazing. He is truly special and gifted and i wouldn't change him for the world. But to make a long story short, thank you for bringing up the fact that is has nothing to do with vaccines and especially for asking people to not treat people with autism like they're babies.
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What's more, the doctor that originally made the claim that the 2 were related got disbarred for it. He made up fake reports to back his claim and got caught. Yet these idiots just keep repeating it.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Wakefield was trying to make and market his own vaccines and he couldn't get permission for testing them, so he tested them on children that were already mentally disabled. The "study" he did was discredited before the ink was dry and he no longer has a license to practice medicine. He narrowly avoided prison.
TheKnightOwl 7 years ago
My nephew was born with low functioning autism. He is now 20 yrs old, and cannot talk, and has just a few hand signals for things such as "toilet" "food" "water", and other basics. Two of my own three children have mild autism, the eldest being classified as Aspergers Syndrome; try talking to her like a baby, and she'll either walk away, look at you like you're insane, or slap you...all depending on her mood lol. Two of my maternal uncles' also had autism (have since passed away from unrelated health problems), and various family member have related conditions such as Tourette's, and ADHD. For us it is clearly hereditary, from the maternal side. I get so incredibly frustrated with anyone who related autism to vaccines; that theory was debunked a very long time ago, and it's an insult to science.
Matt Flannery 7 years ago
I'm glad you seem to have a good grasp on your family's needs and seems like a caring network. If your family is not good enough proof it is genetic, I don't know what would convince the woonatics
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
And then of course there's the anti autism diets that some parents do. Making your child vegan and feeding them a crapton of herbal supplements will do noting.
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Actually they've found the cause of Autism. People with Autism have too many nerosynaptic connections in the brain. They don't "prune" them the way other people do. It's just something you're born with.
Esmeleleu Silva 7 years ago
So it's like the next step in Human evolution: more brainpower and enhanced mental abillities. Being unable to express oneself through speech may be a side effect of that. However, maybe it just means that we (Humanity) will be able to communicate in different ways in the future.
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Except, Esmeleleu, if you study fairy folklore, specifically the folklore of the Changeling Child, you'll find that such a child is almost exactly that of a person with Autism. So Autism has been around for as long as there's been humans. Only at one time it was blamed on fairies.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
In ABA, I often find that kids are talked to like babies, so I needed to rant about that.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
Wow guys, I didn't know myself the cause of autism and bam! You guys swoop in! Thanks!
Micki Van Patten 7 years ago
You go honey! Thanks for the rant, more people need to hear this.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
We now know that autism is strongly linked to the age of the father, and so is Down's Syndrome. The older the father, the more likely it is that there will be mutations in his children.
Megan Romero-Herman 7 years ago
As someone who works in the Autistic community I see no correlation with age of father and autistic kids..
James Weedman 7 years ago
I have an idea of my own (*PLEASE NOTE* - I am not a doctor or medical researcher, neither am I trying to sell anything) about what might be responsible for the dramatic uptick of autism in the highly developed world. I have a sneaking suspicion that it may (I have no evidence, just a hunch) have something to do with everything we touch, eat, drink, breathe, etc being made, with, or contained in plastics. I worked for a short time in a plastics-molding facility many moons ago, and due to curiosity and a retention for things I find unusual I have a loose, totally unverified, yet plausible notion. To preface, I'm 45 and the PlasFac I worked in when I was 20 was actually a baby-product manufactury. (Luv'N'Care)(in the textile portion of the building (I never worked textile) the brand was Mini-Togs) Being a 'bleeding-heart liberal', I actually cared that what I helped produce would be in contact with babies. (will continue)
Aahzmandus Pervect 7 years ago
The growth is due to the change in the definition of autism, which is now a much broader term. Hence, more autistic kids.
Jane Robson 7 years ago
Actually there is some evidence that it is also part of an inherited gene. For instance, my son is High Functioning Autistic (Asperger's Syndrome - but high end of that scale). We didn't think anything of his traits with not liking food to touch on a plate or being fussy with textures, not liking crowds, not looking in the eye, etc. etc. as my mother, my eldest brother and even my late grandfather (maternal) had some similar traits, even if not to such an extreme. Consequently my son wasn't diagnosed until he was 13. The specialist we saw said that there is some suggestion that it may be hereditary because people like my son would have just had to 'get on with it' back in my Grandfather's, mother's and even brother's day. Aspergers wasn't recognised until the 1980s, the fact that autism is a spectrum also wasn't recognised until around then. People just were not diagnosed whereas now they are, so it could be the improvement in diagnosis that has increased the number of kids with autism
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Autism has been around for as long as humans have been around. You're BORN with it. Period.
Teddy O'Malley 7 years ago
It's partly due to growth in population. More people, more problems
James Weedman 7 years ago
(2nd continuation) In the roughly 2 generations since I was saving glass bottles, glass bottles have become an endangered species. Baby bottles are plastic. Everything the Mommy comes into contact with is plastic. And as the steady dominance of plastics has increased remarkably during my days, so have the cases of autism, as well as acute allergies. ONCE AGAIN - THIS IS A GUESS AND SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED AUTHORITATIVE BY ANYONE.
James Weedman 7 years ago
(continuation) I became more aware of plastics' role in our lives, and the ever-increasing reliance on them. Plastics are derived from crude oil; they are cousins to gasoline. For that matter, these days, even chewing gum is a petroproduct with closer ties to Vaseline (which is actually used by some as a daily laxative) than any gum tree. When I was young, plastics were also young. We took our glass soda bottles back to the store because (well, because we would get 5-10c back per bottle) they were sent back to the bottler, washed, sterilized, and refilled. That was recycling back then - use what you have as long as you can. Then, DISPOSABLE became the go-to for 'Yuppies'. On the go, gotta make that dollar! Therefore, the investments went toward 100% DISPOSABLE EVERYTHING!!!!!! Plastics give off chemicals that, when taken into a human body, can mimic hormones. (will continue)
Jami Russell 7 years ago
They don't grow, it's that they're recognized and diagnosed more now instead of the excuses of "Well, they're just a weird child" or "they're really a fairy changeling, not a human being." I have a friend who found out as an adult she's on the spectrum. Her parents actually KNEW she was but didn't want to deal with it so they never told her. All this time she thought her various problems were because of her ADHD.
Claire Hoyt 6 years ago
No. Our population grows, therefore the rates of autism grow. This has nothing to do with vaccines.
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
So... basically over the last few years, people have been having babies at later ages. The age of the father is directly correlated to Autism. So, bam.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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The official govt court - the NVICP or National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has paid out over $3.5 BILLION dollars for injuries and deaths PROVEN to be caused by vaccines. Among them - 83 cases in which they paid out for PROVEN VACCINE DAMAGES which caused "neurological damage to include autism". Period. So you are wrong - SOME autism is vax related. Some is also caused by acetaminophen - which this last year the FDA recommended that you NOT take while pregnant (because of your fetus) or give to newborns, infants, or babies. In 1980 when the circumcision bozos made acetaminophen the painkiller of choice their circumcised boys IMMEDIATELY (and just them) immediately saw a jump in autism incidence. Two years in the 80s saw reducet acetaminophen sales because of contamination - those two years are the ONLY two years since the 70s in which autism decreased. So you give your kid a vaccine and it hurts their stomach becaue - duh - it's damaging their probiotic balance - and then b
La Petite Morte 7 years ago
Bradley, what color is the sky in your world? I'm genuinely curious as it appears you aren't living in the same phase as intelligent people.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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because they hurt - you give them some children's Tylenol..... Oops. Double whammy? Oh - and recently this year a scientific study stated that UNEQUIVOCALLY - a specific child had their autism caused by a vaccine. In reality what happens is that many vaccines have a possible negative response called encephalitis - a swelling in the brain. THAT can and does cause autism.
Thomas Kammerer 7 years ago
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You really need to at least take the time to watch VAXXED. And then do more research. I’m not going to get into a debate about vaccines here as it would be too long, but the USA has the heaviest vaccine administration in the world and has the highest autism rates and growing. Vaccines are big business and the CDC makes billions on them every year. Just follow the money!
Molly Tallmadge 7 years ago
Yeah, but you cant get diagnosed with autism if you die of polio first!
Wes Irvine 7 years ago
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Your right. Vaccines don't cause autism. Thousands of parents who watched their child regress straight after vaccination are probably all delusional
Jami Russell 7 years ago
Schizophrenia often doesn't show up until your 30s. For a while some people thought owning a cat caused it (specifically cleaning the litter box) simply because a lot of Schizophrenics owned cats. But that's been debunked just like the vaccines causing Autism has been 100% debunked. People were going on correlation, not causation.
Jonathan Eatsalot 7 years ago
"I hope she had an awful reaction" F**k these people.....................hard
rhinana 7 years ago
That person is a terrible, terrible person. Wishing someone ill like that? So messed up.
Load More Replies... Claudia Machado 7 years ago
The mother is hoping the same thing. She wants to be able to say "I told you so". The worst thing is that if the girl gets sick even an year later, the mother will say "I told you so". I feel bad for children who can't go to the doctors by themselves.
thebridget 7 years ago
I hope someone was able to be get a screenshot of these comments to the daughter to confirm that she made the right choice and none of these people have her best interests at heart. Yikes.
Hannah Tyler 7 years ago
"8 years I've been teaching her and she just listens to someone she deems more educated." Yeah like a f*****g doctor who went to medical school? I'm pretty they know more about that s**t than you do after reading some articles on Facebook lady
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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that when you increase flu vaccinations in a specific population group, THAT group has higher flu incidence the following year. Hmmm. Look up OAS and it easily explains WHY the flu shot phooks up your immune system.
AnnSmithJones 7 years ago
"Hey Mom, tell me again where you read vaxxing is BAD and DANGEROUS? From a stripper? Thanks Mom, but I think I'm going to listen to the advice of an actual doctor and so should you! " (aachoo!) Mother: "what's that, what's happening?! Sounds like a reaction from those shots, ohhhh nooo!" Daughter: "it's just dust in my nose, mom. I haven't caught autism , don't worry..."
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
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Yeah they have our best interests at heart, don't they? The indu$try that's controlled by Big Pharma.
Mary Rybicki 7 years ago
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sorry Hanna most MD's don't know how the body works,they are symptom managers.Its stupid simple our blood supply feeds the whole body its a closed loop.Its not designed to be breached with chemicals the body cant Identify.Those chems go to the organs and cause damage.I have been sick most of my life.I found out in 2000 when I almost died from a reaction to a work required vaccine.the damage vaccines are doing to us.Boost the immune system and let the body do its job .Its been taking care of us for thousands of years.Most vaccines are for things that are prevented.such as good hygiene not screwing around,etc thanks for letting me rant I'm living in hell thanks to vaccines destroying my nervous system.
Margaret Terrell Williams 7 years ago
That's just stupid. Have you not seen where measles, and other DEADLY diseases are making a comeback? That's because of these anti-vaxxers. Even the best hygiene won't protect you from some of those diseases! A child in Colorado actually caught the plague. I'm sorry that you are having problems with your nervous system, but for the good of society, vaccines are necessary.
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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Not everyone who isn't an MD is allowing theirself to be kept in ignorance as deeply as you, dear. Fact - in med school doctors get a short afternoon on vaccines, consisting of flawed vax theory, dishonest history, and their current CDC jab schedule. Agammimmunoglobuminaemia was found mid-1900s. People with this condition (estimated to be about 6% of the population) don't make ANY antibodies at all. Hmm - what is the significance you should wonder? Well vaccines are called effective because of their "antigen response". That means an antigen - something the body removes with antibodies - causes the body to make antibodies to get rid of the antigen, whether that is a food or pollen one is allergic to - or a vaccine ingredient. So - the industry says that vax "effectiveness" is proven by this - but they never test the results of the vax in terms of reducing the disease and measuring the safety of the vaccine in any sort of scientific manner. The industry has, shockingly, NEVER, EVER had
Bradley Roon 7 years ago
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a safety study in which there was an inert placebo. In which a vaccinated person was compared to an UN-vaccinated person -and thus no safety study is actually even scientific - by definition. So the people with this big long condition got the same childhood diseases as the vaccinated people now get and their cure rate and cure times were not different from the vaccinated people at all. This proves that "antigen response" is NOT an accurate measurement of vaccine effectiveness at all. Oh - and your doc doesn't know about agammaimmunoglobuminaemia, nor is he/she likely to know about OAS - Original Antigenic Sin - which PROVES beyond doubt that getting flu shots prevents your immune system from effectively dealing with the influenza virus as well as being non-vaccinated does. Oops. Perhaps if you knew what the hell YOU were talking about instead of just parroting the lamestream point of view - you'd say "HEY! THAT explains the Canadian Flu Paradox." You know, the repeated observation tha
So_cat Socrate 7 years ago
So much people without any medical/scientific/AnythingUsefulInThisSituation formation, who still think they KNOW how vaccines work after 5 minutes of research on google...Pitiful, but Isaac Asimov was right saying "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"...and not only in US, sadly...
Gayle Bynum Cardosa 7 years ago
It's Idiocracy. Soon enough we'll be watering crops with Mountain Dew.
Load More Replies... Margaret Terrell Williams 7 years ago
Maybe Soylent Green would be better. Made with anti-vaxxers. And before you get upset, it's a JOKE people! :)
Diana Hockley 7 years ago
This sort of ignorance is everywhere, So-Cat. We have the idiots here in Australia as well :( Sadly, they breed...
Lomion 7 years ago
Truely this problem is international. It is a bad thing to say, but for me it is how natural selection works nowdays. The one who does not understand the value of vaccines, wiil be enevitably demiseed. Sadly they may influence others...
Micki Van Patten 7 years ago
Not so sadly in my view. Natural selection is a good thing. If you're influenced into bad choices, then you're in the right place for being selected against. Better out than in!
So_cat Socrate 7 years ago
What's really sad is, to be really effective and protect population from epidemics, vaccines must be taken by everyone. So these people are not only endangering themselves.
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
She probably would have all right with the heroin...if is was organic.
Load More Replies... Jan Sumner 7 years ago
I wish they had been around when I was a kid too ,friend's who died of polio ,some who lost months of school due to whooping cough , babies in utero damaged by German measles .Too manykids/people dying from things that the vaccines prevent or minimise today ..sigh
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
I keep asking the antivaxxers where the bodies are. Shouldn't babies be dropping like flies from all those vaccinations? How is it that there are any kids at all?
Bobby Clemente 7 years ago
Some people have already died, Einstein, inc many vets who were given vaccs for anthrax before going to the Gulf War.
Lori Rodriguez 7 years ago
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Well. 1 in 6 children have chronic illness BUT you didn't get as many as they do. Born in 1995? 13 vaccines... 2017 it's 73 doses so...
Aunt Messy Premium 7 years ago
Yes. And I wish they'd all been around when I was a kid, so I wouldn't have had to suffer through mumps (twice), measles, scarlet fever, chicken pox, and every other thing that are now easily preventable. There's nothing more selfish, ugly, and abusive than to force children to go through that hell.
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