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Woman Presents 6 Constructive Arguments On Why Those Who Consider A Fetus To Be A Baby Are Wrong
Abortions and recent laws related to it have always been followed by a heated debate. It divided people and made them choose between “pro-life” and “pro-choice” or “pro-reproductive rights” and “anti-abortion”. After Texas implemented an anti-abortion law on September 1st, 2021, people became even more vocal about this issue, stressing what really is at stake in this case. One of the TikTok users @drq_dpt made a video accentuating what should change in the system after a fetus is recognized as a baby. This TikTok soon became viral with more than 400k views inviting people to discuss this matter further.
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Talks about the anti-abortion law stirred quite a debate and caused a division in society
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This TikTok user decided to share her thoughts on changes that should be implemented if a fetus is considered to be a baby
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These two viewpoints draw a very strict line between what people believe is the right thing to do in case of unwanted pregnancy. Those who choose “pro-life” are known to be concerned about the well-being of a new life, not taking into account that the woman who is carrying the fetus would not be able to raise and take care of the newborn. Their main argument is that even at the very early stage, the fetus is already alive and has the right to live. “Pro-choice” supporters think that women are the ones in this case who have the right to have the final say. There are numerous situations when an abortion is needed in order to save a woman’s life.
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Quozette Valera who is a pelvic floor physical therapist shared her thoughts on TikTok about the anti-abortion law and how things should change so that both, the fetus and woman, would be well. One of the most important parts of the debate is whether the fetus should already be counted as a live human being. Having this in mind, the TikTok user presented some of the possible implementations in case the fetus is considered to be a baby.
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She started her video by suggesting there should be a life insurance policy that would entitle women who had a miscarriage to receive insurance. While applying her makeup, she also added that with this implementation, having 6 miscarriages would then make her a millionaire. Quozette suggested that if a fetus is a baby, then child support should also start not from the moment the baby is born, but right after the pregnancy is confirmed. She then goes on with a few more examples of how things should change once the fetus is treated like a baby.
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The TikTok user ended her video by saying “But now because a fetus isn’t a baby, you just want to control a woman’s reproductive rights”. A lot of people in the comments agreed with the creator, stating that it is easy to demonstrate one’s morals, but it takes time and recourse to actually make these things happen.
What is your take on this situation? Leave your thoughts in the comments down below!
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You can watch the full video here!
@drq_dptyall be splitting hairs over the wrong thing🙄 #mindyourownuterus#prochoice#proabortion#reproductiverights#reprorights#sb8#exvangelicaltiktok♬ original sound – Tik Toker
People in the comments also expressed their opinions on the ongoing discussion about reproductive rights
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Burs 4 years ago
This is brilliant. But for me there is one argument that winds them all. Foetus are not babies but it is irrelevant. The government does not have the right to ask you to donate your body to save another person, even if they will die. They cannot force you to donate blood or give part of your liver to save a citizen that will die. Every “pro life” person would be against that. Therefore the government cannot force women to risk their life and health and give their uterus to a fetus no matter if it’s or not a person.
Evil Little Thing 4 years ago
Seriously. They're losing their s**t about being forced to wear masks in the grocery store.
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Ausrine Ciapaite 4 years ago
I'm so sad to see that such posts need to exist. It's always shocking for me to see how people fight to treat the "symptoms" not the root of the "symptoms". You want to stop the abortions? Then go to deal with the reasons why women want/need the abortions in the first place. Is birth control readily available/affordable? Is the father taking the responsibility? Is it a seed of the rape? Was a teenager too ashamed to buy birth control/unable to ask parents for it? Was a teenager denied the sex education? Etc. Pro-life people have tons of energy and a great ambition. I just really wished they used it in a right manner.
Rei 4 years ago (edited)
Absolutely agree. I am pro life but I would never judge a fellow woman in a stressful situation who chose abortion, but rather offer the (emotional) support she needs. Too often, the women do not get a proper and much needed support and I can't imagine how distraught many of them must be being pregnant on top of being in the middle of a vulnerable phase of life where they feel like they wouldn't be able to take care of (yet another) baby.
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sofacushionfort 4 years ago
Any middle ground here or…no? Both sides must acknowledge this fact: there will always be abortions. Will the pro-choice agree that an abortion isn’t a very humane thing to do to a human being, even if it’s still a fetus? Will the anti-abortion side agree that the best way to reduce them is by sex-ed and birth control, and acceptance of human sexual activity in its actual wide range? Do that and I guarantee you that legal abortions will be far, far fewer than coat-hanger abortions.
Troux 4 years ago (edited)
"Will the pro-choice agree that an abortion isn’t a very humane thing to do to a human being, even if it’s still a fetus?" This has never, ever been a point of contention unless you believe far-right media. Pro-choice people don't go out and have abortions for fun. It's f*****g awful and exhausting and tragic and will likely haunt you for the rest of your life emotionally and no pro-choice person wants to go through an abortion themselves. However, they want to BE ALLOWED TO go through with it when it's the better long-term choice for themselves and the potential child, especially if it can happen before the sense of pain is developed (~20 weeks). These are women trying to look out for children by not knowingly bringing them into a bad situation. Maybe while we have over 100,000 children in the US currently up for adoption, we shouldn't be FORCING more into the country without a welcoming family? To quote D**k Wolf, "an unwanted child’s already got two strikes against it." [Ed.: BP censors are Richards]
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BusyLizzy 4 years ago
Oh my word I'm reading the comments on here and people are wilfully ignoring her point and getting hung up on the details such as the word "fetus". Others are just so entrenched in their "but it's murder !!!" stance that they can't see the wood for the trees. Let me spell it out. She is pointing out the hypocrisy of the "a fetus is a baby" argument IN THE EYES OF THE LAW" Forget the moral and emotional side of it for a second. The reason put forward for the abortion ban is that a fetus is a baby and therefore has a right to life. Whether you agree with that or not, in all other legal aspects it is not viewed as a baby. Women do not get bereavement leave for a miscarriage. Men are not required to pay maintenence from the moment of conception. A fetus cannot be covered be life insurance in the event of a miscarriage. These are the examples she uses to point out the double standard that is occurring. So which is it? If a pregnancy cannot legally be terminated because it is a baby with rights, why do those rights not extend to all other legal and monetary aspects of being a living person? Why only this? She isn't advocating for all the examples to happen she is pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the supreme court and law makers. Let's be honest, pro life isn't a thing. Call it what it is, it's pro birth.
lone dragon 3 years ago
It's forced birth and nothing else. Pro-life is a euphemism.
Load More Replies... Susie Elle 4 years ago (edited)
Whenever I hear someone say "heartbeat is life" I think about how I once took heart muscle cells in culture in the lab and how they started contracting (beating) in a culture dish. And how skeletal muscle cells do the same.
Black Karen 4 years ago
Well you should get an F in science lol. So much wrong in this statement but no time to argue with someone who actually thinks this is a valid statement to why babies should be murdered.
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Kendra Miller 4 years ago
If abortion is so morally wrong, we should have required vasectomy for teen boys. Vasectomies are 100% effective at preventing pregnancies and is easily reversed. To prevent even the slightest possibly of error, sperm could be frozen before the procedure. When a couple is ready mentally, physically and financially they can get it reversed and have their children. That means there will be no unloved, unwanted children. The reason this option isn't part of the conversation is because this is about controlling women not safety nets. Male pro lifers would be like "it's my body you have no right." Hypocrites.
Rei 4 years ago
How about teaching them proper use of condoms and the parents how to talk to their children about contraception/intercourse and the responsibility that comes with being sexually active before putting them under the knife???
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lenka 4 years ago
Another point to add to her list.... if you are pregnant and invovled in say, a car accident (for egample) and the fetus dies, even at 9 months gestation, you are not elligible for insurance for loss of life of the fetus as it is not a living person. Also, if the fetus is supposed to be a living person, then any driver who causes the death of a fetus in an accident should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Cat 4 years ago
What Texas did is despicable. I was asked to relocate to US operation a couple of years ago before COVID but I turned it down. I have quite a few American friends and I understood why they chose to work overseas at the first opportunity they had. With racism, gun problem, antivaxxers, gender discrimination and the list goes on, I'm better off elsewhere
Brandon Marlowe 4 years ago
Cat, yes we have problems here in 'Murica, and God knows, they've gotten worse since the Tangerine Tyrant inflamed all his goose stepping followers. But there are still a lot of good, sensible, progressive folks here who respect people of other races, genders and ideologies. Don't write us all off.
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Nikki Sevven 4 years ago
In the US, the number one reason is this: We have birthright citizenship. That means that the instant you're born, you're a US citizen...and not a moment before birth. The government cannot abrogate my unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in order to give rights to a non-citizen, and a fetus is not a citizen. Abortion bans are unconstitutional, end of argument.
Requiem 4 years ago
No because you wouldnt have enough time to pay into the life insurance to get a bunch of money. The Koreans seem to think theyre 1 years old at birth
Aliquid 4 years ago
Most life insurance policies will pay out even if you die one day after the policy is approved
Load More Replies... Burs 4 years ago
This is brilliant. But for me there is one argument that winds them all. Foetus are not babies but it is irrelevant. The government does not have the right to ask you to donate your body to save another person, even if they will die. They cannot force you to donate blood or give part of your liver to save a citizen that will die. Every “pro life” person would be against that. Therefore the government cannot force women to risk their life and health and give their uterus to a fetus no matter if it’s or not a person.
Evil Little Thing 4 years ago
Seriously. They're losing their s**t about being forced to wear masks in the grocery store.
Load More Replies... Ausrine Ciapaite 4 years ago
I'm so sad to see that such posts need to exist. It's always shocking for me to see how people fight to treat the "symptoms" not the root of the "symptoms". You want to stop the abortions? Then go to deal with the reasons why women want/need the abortions in the first place. Is birth control readily available/affordable? Is the father taking the responsibility? Is it a seed of the rape? Was a teenager too ashamed to buy birth control/unable to ask parents for it? Was a teenager denied the sex education? Etc. Pro-life people have tons of energy and a great ambition. I just really wished they used it in a right manner.
Rei 4 years ago (edited)
Absolutely agree. I am pro life but I would never judge a fellow woman in a stressful situation who chose abortion, but rather offer the (emotional) support she needs. Too often, the women do not get a proper and much needed support and I can't imagine how distraught many of them must be being pregnant on top of being in the middle of a vulnerable phase of life where they feel like they wouldn't be able to take care of (yet another) baby.
Load More Replies... sofacushionfort 4 years ago
Any middle ground here or…no? Both sides must acknowledge this fact: there will always be abortions. Will the pro-choice agree that an abortion isn’t a very humane thing to do to a human being, even if it’s still a fetus? Will the anti-abortion side agree that the best way to reduce them is by sex-ed and birth control, and acceptance of human sexual activity in its actual wide range? Do that and I guarantee you that legal abortions will be far, far fewer than coat-hanger abortions.
Troux 4 years ago (edited)
"Will the pro-choice agree that an abortion isn’t a very humane thing to do to a human being, even if it’s still a fetus?" This has never, ever been a point of contention unless you believe far-right media. Pro-choice people don't go out and have abortions for fun. It's f*****g awful and exhausting and tragic and will likely haunt you for the rest of your life emotionally and no pro-choice person wants to go through an abortion themselves. However, they want to BE ALLOWED TO go through with it when it's the better long-term choice for themselves and the potential child, especially if it can happen before the sense of pain is developed (~20 weeks). These are women trying to look out for children by not knowingly bringing them into a bad situation. Maybe while we have over 100,000 children in the US currently up for adoption, we shouldn't be FORCING more into the country without a welcoming family? To quote D**k Wolf, "an unwanted child’s already got two strikes against it." [Ed.: BP censors are Richards]
Load More Replies... BusyLizzy 4 years ago
Oh my word I'm reading the comments on here and people are wilfully ignoring her point and getting hung up on the details such as the word "fetus". Others are just so entrenched in their "but it's murder !!!" stance that they can't see the wood for the trees. Let me spell it out. She is pointing out the hypocrisy of the "a fetus is a baby" argument IN THE EYES OF THE LAW" Forget the moral and emotional side of it for a second. The reason put forward for the abortion ban is that a fetus is a baby and therefore has a right to life. Whether you agree with that or not, in all other legal aspects it is not viewed as a baby. Women do not get bereavement leave for a miscarriage. Men are not required to pay maintenence from the moment of conception. A fetus cannot be covered be life insurance in the event of a miscarriage. These are the examples she uses to point out the double standard that is occurring. So which is it? If a pregnancy cannot legally be terminated because it is a baby with rights, why do those rights not extend to all other legal and monetary aspects of being a living person? Why only this? She isn't advocating for all the examples to happen she is pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the supreme court and law makers. Let's be honest, pro life isn't a thing. Call it what it is, it's pro birth.
lone dragon 3 years ago
It's forced birth and nothing else. Pro-life is a euphemism.
Load More Replies... Susie Elle 4 years ago (edited)
Whenever I hear someone say "heartbeat is life" I think about how I once took heart muscle cells in culture in the lab and how they started contracting (beating) in a culture dish. And how skeletal muscle cells do the same.
Black Karen 4 years ago
Well you should get an F in science lol. So much wrong in this statement but no time to argue with someone who actually thinks this is a valid statement to why babies should be murdered.
Load More Replies... Kendra Miller 4 years ago
If abortion is so morally wrong, we should have required vasectomy for teen boys. Vasectomies are 100% effective at preventing pregnancies and is easily reversed. To prevent even the slightest possibly of error, sperm could be frozen before the procedure. When a couple is ready mentally, physically and financially they can get it reversed and have their children. That means there will be no unloved, unwanted children. The reason this option isn't part of the conversation is because this is about controlling women not safety nets. Male pro lifers would be like "it's my body you have no right." Hypocrites.
Rei 4 years ago
How about teaching them proper use of condoms and the parents how to talk to their children about contraception/intercourse and the responsibility that comes with being sexually active before putting them under the knife???
Load More Replies... lenka 4 years ago
Another point to add to her list.... if you are pregnant and invovled in say, a car accident (for egample) and the fetus dies, even at 9 months gestation, you are not elligible for insurance for loss of life of the fetus as it is not a living person. Also, if the fetus is supposed to be a living person, then any driver who causes the death of a fetus in an accident should be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Cat 4 years ago
What Texas did is despicable. I was asked to relocate to US operation a couple of years ago before COVID but I turned it down. I have quite a few American friends and I understood why they chose to work overseas at the first opportunity they had. With racism, gun problem, antivaxxers, gender discrimination and the list goes on, I'm better off elsewhere
Brandon Marlowe 4 years ago
Cat, yes we have problems here in 'Murica, and God knows, they've gotten worse since the Tangerine Tyrant inflamed all his goose stepping followers. But there are still a lot of good, sensible, progressive folks here who respect people of other races, genders and ideologies. Don't write us all off.
Load More Replies... Nikki Sevven 4 years ago
In the US, the number one reason is this: We have birthright citizenship. That means that the instant you're born, you're a US citizen...and not a moment before birth. The government cannot abrogate my unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in order to give rights to a non-citizen, and a fetus is not a citizen. Abortion bans are unconstitutional, end of argument.
Requiem 4 years ago
No because you wouldnt have enough time to pay into the life insurance to get a bunch of money. The Koreans seem to think theyre 1 years old at birth
Aliquid 4 years ago
Most life insurance policies will pay out even if you die one day after the policy is approved
Load More Replies...
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