Hey Pandas, AITA For Setting Boundaries With A Family Who Never Matches My Effort?
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I (32F) moved away from my birth country in 2012 to live in England. At the time, people said I would never make it and didn’t know how hard it would be, etc. Four years passed, and everyone was really proud and jealous that I had made it.
Fast forward to this year. I am with a wonderful man, but we don’t have lots of money so we usually have to choose between going back to see my family and having a holiday.
Without going into too much detail, we have a lot going on that is making life hard and time together is very precious.
This year we saw my family, and after things were said, we will be going abroad, just the two of us, next year
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So, we went to my family’s home in September. I had contacted everyone weeks in advance to tell them when we would be there and tried to work the days around so that I could still see everyone.
We also had planned 3 days out of the 7 we were there for ourselves to take a mini cruise, as this would also be the only holiday we would have this year
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Before we even take off, my sister messages me and tells me I don’t try hard enough to see her or our mum, and that I only care about seeing my dad when I come over. Which is not true—my mum doesn’t work, and my sister has shown no interest in seeing me when I have told her the dates I am over, so I planned to see my dad over the weekend and my mum on the two half days (8 hours) I would have free after landing and before leaving again.
On the first day we were there, my mum told me that she gets upset that I don’t spend more time with her when I am there and that she feels left out.
I snapped and said that everyone knows that I am the one that takes time off work and spends well over £1,000 to make the trip happen
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I also mentioned that, in case her and my sister haven’t noticed, flights go the other way as well (neither of them have come to see me for at least 5-6 years), so how dare she say that I do not make the effort.
So there is all of that, which now means I do not want to spend the money to go over as it is expensive, and if I am just going to be told that what I am doing isn’t enough, then what is the point? AITA?
To add to this, my Grandad is currently in hospital.He is okay, luckily, but being 83 years old, he now needs a bit more help in his 3-story house (Basement, Ground, First).
I spoke to him today and he said that he can leave the hospital any time he wants, but he didn’t want to be a burden and change mum’s plans to get him on Wednesday. He will stay for 2 extra days.
I message my mum and ask if she has any plans tomorrow, and maybe she can pick grandad up a day earlier so that he doesn’t have to be in a hospital and can get home to his comfort
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She proceeds to tell me that I don’t know what grandad wants or what is best for him and that I am the one who left them and should leave them to it.
I’d like my grandad to have a couple of cameras in his house so we can check on him, especially near the stairs, and make sure he’s okay and up each day.
He fell in the middle of the night and couldn’t get back for hours, which is why he got to the hospital
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If not, we know to call him and if there is still no answer, we know we can call help. We would also have one at the bottom of the stairs just in case he falls down, as he lives on his own and does not want to leave the house.
This would require wifi setup, a key box (in case paramedics need to get in if something happens), and the cameras, which would be about £150 plus £4 / month for the wifi.
Mum flips about this as she says: do I think she is made of money, and who is going to fit it all? So, I said that either her brother or my dad could fit it, and my partner has offered to pay for it, so I never asked her for the money. But again, that was not good enough either.
Now I do not know what to do. Am I pushing too hard? Caring too much? Am I not doing enough? Should I back off?
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Please, Panda’s, help a devastated woman who feels helpless.
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Share on FacebookIs it just me who cannot read articles like this? Random text in different positions all over the page with random pics thrown in. As much as the AITA posts are a bit of a cop out, at least i know what I'm supposed to read.
100% agree, I have enough on my mind, doubting myself and worrying about me and my partners future that I do not need them to drag me down on top of it all.
Load More Replies...I'd never come back to toxic family. I'd just say I can't afford the time or money and go on vacation elsewhere. Why would you want to be around such obnoxious people?
that is where I am at now, I want to see them, they are my family, but this year they just expressed their opinion about it and it hurt so now I do not see the point
Load More Replies...EDIT - Don't know how to edit the post so thought I would share here. When we were over there I find out that my Sister had organised a family BBQ with her family and her boyfriends family but guess who wasn't invited even though she knew we were in the country.....
You've offered to help, they've shot down all your ideas, then complained. Reward the nice ones and reduce contact with the whiners.
Yep, I've done this. My mother asked me to lend her £1k. As she is my mother, I gave her £3k. The very next day my sister told me that my mother had just complained that I was always really selfish. So as I am so selfish, I demanded the £3k back.
Load More Replies...If your mother and sister are nagging like that it would be cheaper to stay at home and face-time them now and then.
again agree, but I am the only one that calls, my sister don't want to speak to me at all, full stop and my mum never has the time when I call but won't call herself so guess she doesn't really want to talk either
Load More Replies...Between Covid and work and grad school and $, we didn't visit my in-laws on the west coast for 6 years. When we finally did it was to visit Grandma before she passed, plus visit everyone, we were only there about 3 days and did little else besides family things. I just bit my tongue when told we should visit more often and for longer - bil and family has never been to our house in 20 years, mil and fil only once (and fil has other family relatively close to us), but they have $ for cruises and Disney.
I used to make the effort to see my family in Saffa until I realised I was spending so much money on it and they never make an effort to just phone me and say hello (notable exception my brother). So now I only make big anniversaries or weddings. There won't be any more weddings. And I also bowed out of my stepmother's 70th next year in favour of women's world cup opening game which I got tickets for in a ballot. You want to see me, make an effort.
For those who don't know, Ryanair is just about the most basic and cheap airline available in the UK. It really is "no frills" - they charge extras for all sorts of things that others consider basic, and it's a running joke here (eg they charge extra if you want to sit *inside* the plane). They're also known for not landing terribly close to the required destination (ie they'll got to Luton instead of Heathrow and call it London).
that is a random photo they added, didn't fly with Ryan air, but not that it matters really, but flights alone cost about £600 for us both to come over, but then parking the car at the airport was £150, food and transport the other end was £300-400 and then our mini break while we was there was another £500, so not a cheap trip.
Load More Replies...Yeahhhhh....and this is why I don't visit the states often. It's too expensive to fly, rent a car, and paying for accommodation & food. My "family" are spread out over multiple states, yet everyone expects me to drive and go see them. I have limited time to see these people, so driving 18 hours one way to visit? Not happening! I'd rather spend my money and time exploring Europe....a lot less stress and more enjoyable. Since my parents have both passed, I don't intend on ever going back.
100%, my family are probably an 1 drive between each of them so hard work for me to do it all but oh well.
Load More Replies...OP, dear heart, you're always going to lose with your mum and your sister. Stop trying to keep a peace they don't want. They were probably the most vocal saying you wouldn't make it in England and they're jealous that you did well. Do what you need for yourself. You've done what you can for your grandfather. Now you need to let go and allow things to unfold as they will.
I've lived overseas for the last 15 years OP, so I understand EXACTLY where you are - complete with the guilt tripping mother and the sick grandfather. Although my grandad passed away very recently :-(. In my experience no matter how much you try and prioritise family nothing will ever be good enough for those people who guilt trip you. So NO dont go home to spend time with them just because you feel guilty. I sat down and thought about why I want to go home. For me this was about my sister, my grandfather and my connection to home. So that's what I prioritise. I spent as much time as possible with my grandfather. I organise a holiday type trip or activity that I want to do and I limit my time with energy vapires (mother). And yes, some years we dont go - we book a holiday somewhere else.
thanks for this, and sorry to hear about your grandad x It is nice to know that someone knows where I am coming from, when Nan was in hospital a few years back, I flew same day over and slept in the hospital for 4 days while she passed and supported grandad for a few more days before flying back. door to door I was there in 5 hours, my uncle and cousins live 45min drive away and they never came to the hospital. but that is all forgotten and I am the one that doesn't do enough.
Load More Replies...Is it just me who cannot read articles like this? Random text in different positions all over the page with random pics thrown in. As much as the AITA posts are a bit of a cop out, at least i know what I'm supposed to read.
100% agree, I have enough on my mind, doubting myself and worrying about me and my partners future that I do not need them to drag me down on top of it all.
Load More Replies...I'd never come back to toxic family. I'd just say I can't afford the time or money and go on vacation elsewhere. Why would you want to be around such obnoxious people?
that is where I am at now, I want to see them, they are my family, but this year they just expressed their opinion about it and it hurt so now I do not see the point
Load More Replies...EDIT - Don't know how to edit the post so thought I would share here. When we were over there I find out that my Sister had organised a family BBQ with her family and her boyfriends family but guess who wasn't invited even though she knew we were in the country.....
You've offered to help, they've shot down all your ideas, then complained. Reward the nice ones and reduce contact with the whiners.
Yep, I've done this. My mother asked me to lend her £1k. As she is my mother, I gave her £3k. The very next day my sister told me that my mother had just complained that I was always really selfish. So as I am so selfish, I demanded the £3k back.
Load More Replies...If your mother and sister are nagging like that it would be cheaper to stay at home and face-time them now and then.
again agree, but I am the only one that calls, my sister don't want to speak to me at all, full stop and my mum never has the time when I call but won't call herself so guess she doesn't really want to talk either
Load More Replies...Between Covid and work and grad school and $, we didn't visit my in-laws on the west coast for 6 years. When we finally did it was to visit Grandma before she passed, plus visit everyone, we were only there about 3 days and did little else besides family things. I just bit my tongue when told we should visit more often and for longer - bil and family has never been to our house in 20 years, mil and fil only once (and fil has other family relatively close to us), but they have $ for cruises and Disney.
I used to make the effort to see my family in Saffa until I realised I was spending so much money on it and they never make an effort to just phone me and say hello (notable exception my brother). So now I only make big anniversaries or weddings. There won't be any more weddings. And I also bowed out of my stepmother's 70th next year in favour of women's world cup opening game which I got tickets for in a ballot. You want to see me, make an effort.
For those who don't know, Ryanair is just about the most basic and cheap airline available in the UK. It really is "no frills" - they charge extras for all sorts of things that others consider basic, and it's a running joke here (eg they charge extra if you want to sit *inside* the plane). They're also known for not landing terribly close to the required destination (ie they'll got to Luton instead of Heathrow and call it London).
that is a random photo they added, didn't fly with Ryan air, but not that it matters really, but flights alone cost about £600 for us both to come over, but then parking the car at the airport was £150, food and transport the other end was £300-400 and then our mini break while we was there was another £500, so not a cheap trip.
Load More Replies...Yeahhhhh....and this is why I don't visit the states often. It's too expensive to fly, rent a car, and paying for accommodation & food. My "family" are spread out over multiple states, yet everyone expects me to drive and go see them. I have limited time to see these people, so driving 18 hours one way to visit? Not happening! I'd rather spend my money and time exploring Europe....a lot less stress and more enjoyable. Since my parents have both passed, I don't intend on ever going back.
100%, my family are probably an 1 drive between each of them so hard work for me to do it all but oh well.
Load More Replies...OP, dear heart, you're always going to lose with your mum and your sister. Stop trying to keep a peace they don't want. They were probably the most vocal saying you wouldn't make it in England and they're jealous that you did well. Do what you need for yourself. You've done what you can for your grandfather. Now you need to let go and allow things to unfold as they will.
I've lived overseas for the last 15 years OP, so I understand EXACTLY where you are - complete with the guilt tripping mother and the sick grandfather. Although my grandad passed away very recently :-(. In my experience no matter how much you try and prioritise family nothing will ever be good enough for those people who guilt trip you. So NO dont go home to spend time with them just because you feel guilty. I sat down and thought about why I want to go home. For me this was about my sister, my grandfather and my connection to home. So that's what I prioritise. I spent as much time as possible with my grandfather. I organise a holiday type trip or activity that I want to do and I limit my time with energy vapires (mother). And yes, some years we dont go - we book a holiday somewhere else.
thanks for this, and sorry to hear about your grandad x It is nice to know that someone knows where I am coming from, when Nan was in hospital a few years back, I flew same day over and slept in the hospital for 4 days while she passed and supported grandad for a few more days before flying back. door to door I was there in 5 hours, my uncle and cousins live 45min drive away and they never came to the hospital. but that is all forgotten and I am the one that doesn't do enough.
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