Hey Pandas, AITA For Longing For No Contact With My Mom Even If It Means Losing Touch With My Daughter?
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I am a 32F. I’ve been married twice, and I have 2 beautiful daughters – R, who is 12 years old, and A, who is 4 months old. Then there is my mother; in short, she is a controlling nightmare.
For starters, my birth name would often prompt people to ask if I was sure I didn’t have extra equipment. So, I chose to change my name to something more feminine and beautiful. My mom is not accepting this.
After my first marriage failed, I ended up broke and homeless. Living with my parents was not an option for me. In order to keep R from suffering with me, I gave temporary guardianship of her to my dad and mom. That was 6 years ago. Now, with help from my parents, she is excelling in school, participating in equine sports, and has her entire career path planned out. In the years I have been away, I moved to another state, got on my feet, got married to my husband, and 4 months ago, gave birth to A.
When I left, I tried my hardest to keep in contact
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However, living out of my car and barely making enough to pay bills and eat made it hard to keep my phone on. There were times I couldn’t call, and on a few occasions, it was a couple of months without a phone. When it was on, I made sure to call once a week. More often than not, R wasn’t home, or my Mom would pick an argument with me before I could talk to my daughter. They would never call me unless there was a hospital visit or a death in the family.
When I announced that I was pregnant with A, Mom called every day for a week
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She was insisting that I allow my brothers (whom I have decided to have no contact with) to have my phone number. After I refused multiple times, I snapped and told her the only reason I mattered to her at that current point was because I was pregnant.
After this, all conversations turned mean and vile when I’d call, so I let my phone turn off for the rest of my pregnancy until the last month.
When we announced A’s name, Mom immediately wanted to call her a boy’s name from a Disney movie. Unfortunately, it was the overprotective daddy who heard it first and did what daddies do; he told my Mom that the nickname was disrespectful, and that we would not allow it.
Mom is now using the name she gave me at every opportunity she can, even when using a name is unnecessary
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When I politely asked her to use my chosen name, she told me it was rude and disrespectful not to use the name she gave me, then demanded that they use A’s proper name. Then, she proceeded to say, ‘How would you feel if A didn’t like the name you gave her and changed it?’ I told her that I would respect my daughter’s choice and even help her to change it if she so chooses.
I have not heard from her since. I’m considering going full no contact and waiting for R to reach out to me. I want to bring R here to live with us, but we cannot afford her horses and the place to train, and I don’t want to rip her away from the future she has created for herself and have her resenting me for it.
So the question is, do I let one daughter go so she can have her future, and I can have distance from my mom and protect my newborn from her manipulation, or do I take both daughters and cut contact even if my oldest will more than likely hate me more for that?
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What does R want? Because THAT is the only thing that counts. You left her with your parents at 6, for the next 6 years you had little to no contact and only or mostly (?) over the phone. She's excelling in life right now, making plans for the future, plans she's going to have to abandon when living with her estranged mom. Ask her what she wants. If she stays put, you can still go no contact with your mom without losing contact with your daughter, she's 12 after all.
Seconding this. Just let her know you are willing to put her first, and inform her of the background of what you went through, and that you want her back in your life but don't want to upend her if it would truly destroy her. Tell her you value her input on this and be prepared to hear some s****y teenage things but try and weather that if you can get to the meat of what her wants are. I can't imagine the pain she's in with you having a new child, or the ideas she might have about how or why this happened. You'll have to face that, but it sounds like you are ready to accept what might come to you.
Load More Replies...Having to leave your child must have been devastating to you both. But instead of getting back on your feet and mothering her, you had another child instead. That's got to hurt your oldest very deeply. Instead of asking strangers, ask your daughter what she wants.
Yes, you found the capacity to create another life for yourself but didn't include your first child. In the meantime your daughter has been given a life which includes her fave hobbies and likely school, social life and her own friends. I'm guessing her uncles (your brothers) are also a part of that. It's alot that your parents AND your brothers are on your no contact list. Your daughter is now old enough to choose, it's up to her.
Load More Replies...NTA, but if you go down the route of zero contact you have to be prepared for your older daughter never wanting a relationship. She most likely will feel that you're choosing your new daughter over her, even if you genuinely have her best interests at heart.
You left your daughter with someone you don’t even want to be around?? You failed your child
Failed their child for not wanting the child to live on the streets??
Load More Replies...OP ABANDONED R and now she wants to come waltzing back in to play happy families? Fork that! OP made her choices, gave her eldest away, and now has to live with the results.
Yes, the entire family is on her no contact list. The same family that cared for her daughter because she refused to give up her wild ways. Brothers are uncles who love the girl too but are on the s**t list. Common denominator is HER.
Load More Replies...You dumped your kid on your parents (cough, drugs, cough) and lost touch with her for months, maybe years. You aren’t the heroine of this story and should dial back the judgement of your mother. She’s a much better mother than you. Why shouldn’t she have some input into A’s name? She’ll probably end up raising her too.
A 12 year old is old enough to have the simple form of the situation explained and be allowed to have some say in the matter. Perhaps joint custody with very strict rules for drop off and pick up would be an option. Always let your first child know that you love and want her, because there is a good chance that grandma is talking loads of s**t. Don't stoop to that level, just stick with the facts and let your daughter know that she has not been replaced.
YES! At 12 years old, R is old enough to understand - and she deserves an explanation. She also deserves to hear from MOM how MOM feels <3 Don't give your parents and brothers ammo to use against you, either legally or against your daughter and her feelings towards you. Bottom line: you want her with you, but completely understand the opportunities she's being given by living with her grandparents, and that offering her the same opportunities may not be possible. That conversation would not only let her know you want and love her, but also demonstrate that as much as you want her with you, you're willing to sacrifice that for her happiness and well-being. Good luck, OP!
Load More Replies...So you abandoned your child, moved away, had another child after neglecting your first one and you want to know if you should try to uproot a child who doesn't know you because now, after 6 years, you wanna play Disney mommy? Not to mention you waited until you were "stable" enough to pop out another kid to even consider your other one. Seriously. Totally insane that people are saying you're NTA, because you are completely and totally the a*****e here. How is it that your *entire* family is no contact? This child doesn't even know you, and it seems pretty clear they don't want to know their deadbeat mom (which is what you are) you even turned your phone off for a month so no one could contact you! Mom of the year right there! I'd like to let everyone know: OP at this point is no longer this child's mother. The grandmother is, and I can see why she's harsh on OP. She's given this child an entire life, love, and a home while mom is off galavanting around with another man creating her new perfect family.
Start with therapy. And I hope R has been in therapy this entire time because it'll take a miracle for her to not have abandonment issues.
What does R want? Because THAT is the only thing that counts. You left her with your parents at 6, for the next 6 years you had little to no contact and only or mostly (?) over the phone. She's excelling in life right now, making plans for the future, plans she's going to have to abandon when living with her estranged mom. Ask her what she wants. If she stays put, you can still go no contact with your mom without losing contact with your daughter, she's 12 after all.
Seconding this. Just let her know you are willing to put her first, and inform her of the background of what you went through, and that you want her back in your life but don't want to upend her if it would truly destroy her. Tell her you value her input on this and be prepared to hear some s****y teenage things but try and weather that if you can get to the meat of what her wants are. I can't imagine the pain she's in with you having a new child, or the ideas she might have about how or why this happened. You'll have to face that, but it sounds like you are ready to accept what might come to you.
Load More Replies...Having to leave your child must have been devastating to you both. But instead of getting back on your feet and mothering her, you had another child instead. That's got to hurt your oldest very deeply. Instead of asking strangers, ask your daughter what she wants.
Yes, you found the capacity to create another life for yourself but didn't include your first child. In the meantime your daughter has been given a life which includes her fave hobbies and likely school, social life and her own friends. I'm guessing her uncles (your brothers) are also a part of that. It's alot that your parents AND your brothers are on your no contact list. Your daughter is now old enough to choose, it's up to her.
Load More Replies...NTA, but if you go down the route of zero contact you have to be prepared for your older daughter never wanting a relationship. She most likely will feel that you're choosing your new daughter over her, even if you genuinely have her best interests at heart.
You left your daughter with someone you don’t even want to be around?? You failed your child
Failed their child for not wanting the child to live on the streets??
Load More Replies...OP ABANDONED R and now she wants to come waltzing back in to play happy families? Fork that! OP made her choices, gave her eldest away, and now has to live with the results.
Yes, the entire family is on her no contact list. The same family that cared for her daughter because she refused to give up her wild ways. Brothers are uncles who love the girl too but are on the s**t list. Common denominator is HER.
Load More Replies...You dumped your kid on your parents (cough, drugs, cough) and lost touch with her for months, maybe years. You aren’t the heroine of this story and should dial back the judgement of your mother. She’s a much better mother than you. Why shouldn’t she have some input into A’s name? She’ll probably end up raising her too.
A 12 year old is old enough to have the simple form of the situation explained and be allowed to have some say in the matter. Perhaps joint custody with very strict rules for drop off and pick up would be an option. Always let your first child know that you love and want her, because there is a good chance that grandma is talking loads of s**t. Don't stoop to that level, just stick with the facts and let your daughter know that she has not been replaced.
YES! At 12 years old, R is old enough to understand - and she deserves an explanation. She also deserves to hear from MOM how MOM feels <3 Don't give your parents and brothers ammo to use against you, either legally or against your daughter and her feelings towards you. Bottom line: you want her with you, but completely understand the opportunities she's being given by living with her grandparents, and that offering her the same opportunities may not be possible. That conversation would not only let her know you want and love her, but also demonstrate that as much as you want her with you, you're willing to sacrifice that for her happiness and well-being. Good luck, OP!
Load More Replies...So you abandoned your child, moved away, had another child after neglecting your first one and you want to know if you should try to uproot a child who doesn't know you because now, after 6 years, you wanna play Disney mommy? Not to mention you waited until you were "stable" enough to pop out another kid to even consider your other one. Seriously. Totally insane that people are saying you're NTA, because you are completely and totally the a*****e here. How is it that your *entire* family is no contact? This child doesn't even know you, and it seems pretty clear they don't want to know their deadbeat mom (which is what you are) you even turned your phone off for a month so no one could contact you! Mom of the year right there! I'd like to let everyone know: OP at this point is no longer this child's mother. The grandmother is, and I can see why she's harsh on OP. She's given this child an entire life, love, and a home while mom is off galavanting around with another man creating her new perfect family.
Start with therapy. And I hope R has been in therapy this entire time because it'll take a miracle for her to not have abandonment issues.




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