“Am I A Jerk For ‘Belittling’ My Friend’s Grief After She Named Her Daughter After My Deceased One And Refusing To Be Her Daughter’s Godmother?”
The loss of a loved one, especially a child, is a traumatic experience. The pain is unbearable. The world seems like a dark and unforgiving place. And you can’t imagine ever feeling happy ever again. There are only tears, memories, and endless grief. Though life goes on, the smallest things can remind you of the person you lost. And it can be difficult not to break down.
One redditor, a mother of four, shared that she lost her daughter Luli when she was just 2 years old. The grieving mom turned to the AITA online community for their advice on a very sensitive issue. The author’s friend and Luli’s godmother took the name for her own newborn daughter. She gave her own daughter the middle name ‘Luli’ to honor her goddaughter, without so much as asking the mom how she felt about that.
You will find the full story, in the author’s own words, below.
Dear Pandas, this is a very heavy topic and might reopen some old wounds for some of you. If you feel like you want something lighter, you should look through our earlier article about wholesome and uplifting stories right here.
Psychotherapist Silva Neves was kind enough to explain to Bored Panda how everyone grieves differently, and what loved ones can do to support someone in their grief.
“Some grieve with a lot of crying and others grieve with being practical, and anything else in between. Not seeing any tears does not mean that people are not grieving. The process lasts as long as it needs to last, there is no time limit. Usually, grieving diminishes over time, which means that people become less and less upset over time, but some people will never ‘recover’ from grieving, especially those who lost a very important person. Most people learn to live with grief and sadness. Significant dates, such as anniversaries, may always be painful.,” Silva explained. He stressed that the most important thing is to not give people advice because everyone grieves differently.
A mom of four shared a gut-wrenching post about the loss of her daughter
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She explained how one of her friends gave her own newborn the same name as the daughter who passed away
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“Although there are some common knowledge about grief, such as ‘stages of grief’, a lot of people don’t follow ‘stages’ of grief because grief can be messy and unpredictable. The best way to support someone who is grieving is by sitting with them, listening to them and that’s it,” psychotherapist Silva told Bored Panda.
“It is also important not to tell people ‘I know how you feel’ because grieving is so unique, nobody can know what another person’s grieving feels like, but perhaps we can imagine how painful it is. A lot of people get a lot of support with grief at the beginning of the loss, but often people stop talking about after a while,” he said.
“Grieving people usually do appreciate their friends asking about it, even a year later or two years later. Don’t be afraid to ask the question, ‘How are you?’ and allow the grieving person to speak. Ask them for what they need but don’t assume what they need. Sometimes a grieving person might need a hug, but sometimes they may need to sit in silence. Sometimes they may need to be distracted with something else, other times they may want to talk about their pain.”
The author of the post explained that she was completely shocked when she went over to her friend’s home and she kept calling her newborn Luli, even though that’s just her middle name. The experience was too much for the grieving mother and she decided that she couldn’t go through with being the newborn’s godmother.
However, there was fallout after she told her friend that. You see, the friend had been the redditor’s daughter’s godmother and felt like she was honoring Luli by giving her newborn her middle name. She felt like the author was “hogging her grief.”
The vast majority of redditors, however, thought that the friend was in the wrong here. She should have spoken to the mom about using Luli’s name before coming to a firm decision. That didn’t happen and led to everyone feeling raw with grief once again.
There is no single way to grieve ‘correctly.’ When grieving, people may feel shocked or numb, overwhelmed with sadness. They might cry, and feel exhausted. Others feel anger or guilt over what happened.
The NHS recommends that those grieving turn to their family, friends, and mental health professionals for emotional support and help.
Meanwhile, it’s important to take care of your physical well-being, especially in times of great stress. This means eating well, getting enough movement, spending time in nature, and finding the time to socialize with others. What’s more, this includes limiting unhealthy habits such as alcohol consumption, smoking, over- or under-eating. Doing these things can also help you sleep better at night.
After losing a loved one, you may feel completely overwhelmed, and not in control. It’s important to remember that you shouldn’t try to do everything at once. The NHS notes that setting small goals that you can easily achieve is the best way forward.
“Do not focus on the things you cannot change—focus your time and energy into helping yourself feel better. Try not to tell yourself that you’re alone—most people feel grief after a loss and support is available,” the NHS writes.
“Try not to use alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, or drugs to relieve grief—these can all contribute to poor mental health.”
In the face, of countless tragedies and traumatic experiences, there is a need for hope that the future will be better and brighter; that there’s some good left in the world. Psychologist, priest, and published author Dr. Fraser Watts told Bored Panda earlier that there is a difference between hope and optimism.
“Optimism is more a matter of prediction. Hope is more a matter of attitude,” he explained the difference between the two concepts. Being optimistic during difficult times is akin to retreating “into a fantasy world.”
However, no matter the circumstances, people can remain positive and hopeful. In fact, it’s a helpful attitude to have. Though there’s no easy or surefire way of keeping hope alive when everything seems dark and grim.
“Practice helps. It depends on a long process of cultivating a positive mindset. It is useful to be clear that hope does not depend on believing that everything is going to be fine. It is more an act of will,” Dr. Watts stressed that hope isn’t just wishy-washy illusions of feeling good when everything is awful. It is something far, far deeper.
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While I do think honoring her godchild by having her as the middle name is very sweet, it should have been discussed with the mother. What is concerning and weird is to use said middle name all the time. She knows how upsetting this would be.
Yeah that’s what gets me too, using it as middle name in honor of seems fine, but then actually using it as a calling name and confronting your ‚best friend’ with it almost non-stop is very messed up.
Load More Replies...I find this so absolutely horrible I can't even wrap my mind around it. She says she used the name for her middle name but she's calling her that in every day life and she completely blindsided her supposed best friend and caused so much trauma to resurface as well as manipulated her. She lied about the middle name it's obviously the first name she's trying to downplay and gaslight what she did to her friend. How callous and entitled and arrogant. She knew she was wrong that's why their was no conversation. She used her friend for support during her pregnancy too I don't believe she didn't know the sex of the baby and she planned this whole thing. One lie leads to others. That's not a friend that's a user and then she turned it around on the poor grieving friend. It would been a whole different thing if they had discussed it as the middle name before hand and not used it as the first bc that's what a real friend would do
Basically, Jane's a hypocrite. She (rightfully) says that the OP „can't prevent everyone from using the name”, but then she fails to recognise that on the flip side, Jane can't force OP to be the godmother. I hate it when people use this kind of argument, as if just because they are technically correct, it means that the other person is not allowed to be mad, and HAS TO do whatever they're told to do. This reeks of entitlement.
It does come off as a long-term version of "Get over it, I don't have time for your bereavement".
Load More Replies..."Hi friend, I'm in therapy because of my dead child." "Oh hi friend. Let me mentally f**k with you and pretend I own your grief."
Have you heard the screams, the gries, the sorrow out loud when a mother looses their child.... you would understand how messed up this is... This is not an honour... this is hurting...
My friend honored my late son she said she is having a boy. And she did post the name on Facebook before she asked but she also tagged me in the post the moment she made it and said only if it's okay. Of course for me it was a okay. Half her friends had no idea what she was asking me but I did. And it was very happy. Idk how I would have felt had she just did it and just kept calling him ISAIAH. it's his middle name which gives him the intials XI B so I call him Eleven. Lol
I'm glad it worked out for you and your grief wasn't reactivated because of the name. Of course, grieving for the loss of a child is never over! I am so sorry for your loss!
Load More Replies...Naming babies is a minefield. But the OP is NTA. Clearly the other mother was very insensitive but tried to portray herself as the victim, so clearly she knew what she was playing. It would be one thing to use the name as a middle name which is rarely used except on documents and maybe when your mother screams at you. But to pretend to use it as a middle name but really use it as the given name is unforgivable. And to not discuss it with the OP is the real tell in this situation. She loved the name from the start and was waiting for an opportunity to use it. Tragedy provided that opportunity.
We have named my son after my husband’s brother who passed away as a child. I was hesitant because I feel that naming a child who passed away as a child is bad mojo. My husband also wanted to honor his brother but said hearing his name being called would be a little hard to hear. He spoke to his parents and they were really happy that his memory would live on. But we don’t call my son by his first name. It’s a blend of his first and middle. My husband brother passed away 25 yrs ago and it was still hard on them, I can’t imagine if I had just lost a child. The friend should have discussed this and honestly shouldn’t have named her daughter this. Very insensitive. The OP has every right to be upset and her feelings are justified.
I think that if this was a comman name, like Sarah, than it would be a little better, but Luli is definitely supposed to mention OP's late daughter. If Jane told OP, that would have been better. But names do evoke emotion and if OP is the godmother, she would have to hear the name of her late daughter over and over again. It would break her heart. And three years in more than enough time to say "I love the name Luli, can I used for my kid". If OP says yes, go for it, if OP says no, than ask her why and see if you can come to an agreement.
Personally, I think her just saying no, she didn't want her to use it, would be enough. No further discussion needed. That's just my honest opinion.
Load More Replies...While I do think honoring her godchild by having her as the middle name is very sweet, it should have been discussed with the mother. What is concerning and weird is to use said middle name all the time. She knows how upsetting this would be.
Yeah that’s what gets me too, using it as middle name in honor of seems fine, but then actually using it as a calling name and confronting your ‚best friend’ with it almost non-stop is very messed up.
Load More Replies...I find this so absolutely horrible I can't even wrap my mind around it. She says she used the name for her middle name but she's calling her that in every day life and she completely blindsided her supposed best friend and caused so much trauma to resurface as well as manipulated her. She lied about the middle name it's obviously the first name she's trying to downplay and gaslight what she did to her friend. How callous and entitled and arrogant. She knew she was wrong that's why their was no conversation. She used her friend for support during her pregnancy too I don't believe she didn't know the sex of the baby and she planned this whole thing. One lie leads to others. That's not a friend that's a user and then she turned it around on the poor grieving friend. It would been a whole different thing if they had discussed it as the middle name before hand and not used it as the first bc that's what a real friend would do
Basically, Jane's a hypocrite. She (rightfully) says that the OP „can't prevent everyone from using the name”, but then she fails to recognise that on the flip side, Jane can't force OP to be the godmother. I hate it when people use this kind of argument, as if just because they are technically correct, it means that the other person is not allowed to be mad, and HAS TO do whatever they're told to do. This reeks of entitlement.
It does come off as a long-term version of "Get over it, I don't have time for your bereavement".
Load More Replies..."Hi friend, I'm in therapy because of my dead child." "Oh hi friend. Let me mentally f**k with you and pretend I own your grief."
Have you heard the screams, the gries, the sorrow out loud when a mother looses their child.... you would understand how messed up this is... This is not an honour... this is hurting...
My friend honored my late son she said she is having a boy. And she did post the name on Facebook before she asked but she also tagged me in the post the moment she made it and said only if it's okay. Of course for me it was a okay. Half her friends had no idea what she was asking me but I did. And it was very happy. Idk how I would have felt had she just did it and just kept calling him ISAIAH. it's his middle name which gives him the intials XI B so I call him Eleven. Lol
I'm glad it worked out for you and your grief wasn't reactivated because of the name. Of course, grieving for the loss of a child is never over! I am so sorry for your loss!
Load More Replies...Naming babies is a minefield. But the OP is NTA. Clearly the other mother was very insensitive but tried to portray herself as the victim, so clearly she knew what she was playing. It would be one thing to use the name as a middle name which is rarely used except on documents and maybe when your mother screams at you. But to pretend to use it as a middle name but really use it as the given name is unforgivable. And to not discuss it with the OP is the real tell in this situation. She loved the name from the start and was waiting for an opportunity to use it. Tragedy provided that opportunity.
We have named my son after my husband’s brother who passed away as a child. I was hesitant because I feel that naming a child who passed away as a child is bad mojo. My husband also wanted to honor his brother but said hearing his name being called would be a little hard to hear. He spoke to his parents and they were really happy that his memory would live on. But we don’t call my son by his first name. It’s a blend of his first and middle. My husband brother passed away 25 yrs ago and it was still hard on them, I can’t imagine if I had just lost a child. The friend should have discussed this and honestly shouldn’t have named her daughter this. Very insensitive. The OP has every right to be upset and her feelings are justified.
I think that if this was a comman name, like Sarah, than it would be a little better, but Luli is definitely supposed to mention OP's late daughter. If Jane told OP, that would have been better. But names do evoke emotion and if OP is the godmother, she would have to hear the name of her late daughter over and over again. It would break her heart. And three years in more than enough time to say "I love the name Luli, can I used for my kid". If OP says yes, go for it, if OP says no, than ask her why and see if you can come to an agreement.
Personally, I think her just saying no, she didn't want her to use it, would be enough. No further discussion needed. That's just my honest opinion.
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