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Mom Sends Three Texts Asking Dad To Watch Their Baby, Receives A Shocking Reply In Return
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Mom Sends Three Texts Asking Dad To Watch Their Baby, Receives A Shocking Reply In Return

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The internet loves nothing more than a text exchange. Two people, a conversation, a screenshot; and suddenly millions of strangers have appointed themselves judge, jury, and relationship counsellor. Most of the time it is fairly straightforward to pick a side. But every now and then something lands in the timeline that is much more complicated.

An exchange where you can see the gap between right and wrong widening in real time, and the grey area consuming the whole conversation. One such screenshot of a text conversation between a mom and a baby daddy went viral this week, and the comments section is doing exactly what comments sections do when nobody can agree. Absolutely losing it.

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    A single mom asked the father of her child for help babysitting so that she could study, but he ghosted her

    The exchange is short, and it is brutal. The mom asked if the dad could watch their baby for a few hours so she could study. No response. The next day she followed up asking for just an hour. Still nothing. The day after that, she sent a third message calling him out for not responding about their own child, and the screenshot shows he had read it and said nothing.

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    Then, a day later, he replied. He told her he had never wanted the baby in the first place and that since she had chosen to continue the pregnancy against his wishes, he considered the responsibility hers. Cold? Maby. Justified? You decide.

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    After a few attempts at contact, he finally made his opinion clear

    A significant portion of commenters were firmly in the mother’s corner. The prevailing argument was simple: whatever the circumstances of the pregnancy, whatever was said beforehand, a child exists now, and that child has two parents. “Whether he wants to take responsibility or not, he is still 100% responsible for the creation of that child,” one user wrote plainly.

    Others took it a step further, arguing that his absence might actually be the better outcome for the baby in the long run. “He still needs to pay child support, and she can use that money to hire a loving sitter,” one commenter said. “I wouldn’t want to leave my baby with someone that made it clear they don’t care about the baby.”

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    He said that because he made it clear that he did not want to bring a child into this world, he would not be taking any responsibility

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    But not everyone landed in the same place. A vocal contingent of commenters felt that the dad’s position, however brutal in its delivery, was at least consistent. He had said from the beginning that he did not want this. He had made his feelings clear before the baby was born. And continuing a pregnancy against the explicit wishes of the dad does come with consequences.

    “He was honest with you from the beginning, so you shouldn’t be shocked by him saying I don’t want this,” one user wrote. “Girl, he doesn’t want this. Don’t try to push an innocent child on a man who doesn’t want it. That’s not fair to that baby.” Buried inside the harshness of this situation is the question of what happens when only one party consents to a pregnancy.

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    But legally, he is financially obligated to help, but his time can’t be demanded

    Whatever was said before the baby was born, whatever agreements or disagreements existed during the pregnancy, the law is fairly unambiguous about what happens after. Once paternity is established, a biological father can be ordered by a court to pay monthly child support, provide health insurance, and cover a portion of medical and educational expenses.

    That obligation is enforceable by the state and cannot be opted out of simply because the father said beforehand that he did not want the child. Family law is consistent on this point: financial responsibility begins at birth, not at the point of agreement. However, and this is the part that makes the whole conversation more complicated, there is no legal requirement for a father to be physically present.

    Image credits: The Yuri Arcurs Collection / Magnific (not the actual photo)

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    A man who does not want to be in his child’s life cannot be forced by law to visit, care for, or maintain a personal relationship with that child. He can choose to be absent, and according to Houston divorce lawyer Robin Klein, that absence, however painful, is legally his right. The financial obligation remains. The emotional one does not.

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    As for the pregnancy itself, during an unplanned pregnancy, a man has no legal right to influence a woman’s medical decisions in either direction. He cannot compel her to have an abortion. He cannot prevent her from carrying the pregnancy to term. His legal rights and obligations begin after birth, or upon the establishment of paternity.

    Which means the situation in that text exchange, as uncomfortable as it is to sit with, is actually a fairly accurate description of how the law works. He cannot be forced to show up. He can absolutely be forced to pay. And somewhere in the gap between those two things, a mother is just trying to find an hour to study.

    Do you think he is wrong for sending that message, or should she be responsible for her actions? Tell us your opinion in the comments!

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    One woman helped summarise this argument on a now viral video, discussing the idea of ‘financial abortion’

    @cfh..x I partly see the point being made… but this is a tricky one for me. What do you think? #redditstory#controversial#womenshealth#mensrights#responsibility♬ original sound – I Have a Story for You…

    Commenters were totally torn, seeing the argument for both the desperate mom and the father who wants no responsibility for her choices

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    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Woman here! Though I side with the man on this one, I will point out that leaving birth control to just the woman is seriously stupid, naive and outdated. I once got together with a guy who said he'd had a vasectomy - I still made him use a c****m. That s**t can fail, man! Plus there are psycho women out there who WILL baby trap a man if they can - just wrap it, people!

    Becca not Becky
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Precisely. I always say that contraception is the responsibility of whomever doesn't want a child. Especially if you don't know your partner very well, never assume that they are using contraception, or that they are using it correctly (deliberately or not). If both partners go into bed with some kind of contraception, the chances of pregnancy are very VERY low.

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    George Costanza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He can be forced to pay child support, that's the law. But he never wanted a kid. Expecting him to babysit or raise the child he was adamant he didn't want is never going to work. And it would be terrible for the kid to be exposed to a father that doesn't want them. Leave him alone and just collect the child support from him.

    TonjaLasagne
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    BINGO! I absolutely agree with you! But first he needs to get a DNA to make sure that the child is actually his before he is strapped with making payments. And from now on, he either, A/ needs to start wearing c*o*n*d*o*m*s or B/ get a vasectomy.

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    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Birth control isn't 💯 effective and if I wanted to have s*x but didn't want children I sure as hell wouldn't leave it up to someone else to take precautions for me....that's a dangerous game. At LEAST Use condoms!

    Trillian
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He didn't want a child but didn't participate in birth control -> absolutely needs to pay child support. He offered to pay for an abortion, she refused and chose to have the baby -> childcare is her job. I 💯 think women alone get to decide if they want an abortion but with the choice comes tthe responsibility.

    George Costanza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Legally he has to pay child support whether he wore a c****m or not. It's irrelevant.

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    Scott Rackley
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've managed to get through 54 years without children, mainly because condoms and nonoxyl-9 are cheap. I remember when my uncle set me aside and told me to never ever trust the "I'm on birth control" line.

    zovjraar me
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why didn't he wear a c****m? he doesn't have to care for the child, but child support should reflect that.

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't want a guy like this anywhere near my kid under any circumstances. But I'd make sure to get that child support check, because the law says if you play you pay. I bet you money he didn't wear a c****m, so too bad, so sad for him.

    T'Mar of Vulcan
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If he didn't want a child, he should have worn a c0ndom. Moron. Oh now he has to suffer the consequences of his actions instead of the woman only suffering. Boo-hoo; my heart pumps custard for him.

    BK BigFish
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Child support, after a paternity test, maybe. Childcare, though - let's face it, the woman is crazy (and probably desperate) to leave her child with, essentially, a stranger.

    StumblingThroughLife
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds mean, but when it comes to contraception, make sure to protect yourself, rather than taking the word of your s****l partner. Sadly, people lie, and it sounds like what she did was deliberate.

    Binky Melnik
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why does it sound “deliberate”? Given that every single birth control method has failure rates (some as high as 14%, if memory serves), where did you get that it’s “deliberate”? If you quote the commenter who doesn’t understand how BC works, then we’ll suspect you’re as clueless as he is. Not even the male half of the text conversation suggests that, and if it were true, don’tcha think ed be shrieking about hang been “trapped”? Likely in uppercase?

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    Earonn -
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, he didn't take part in contraception, which was selfish and reckless. But he did offer to pay for an abortion. It was HER decision to keep this child. there was a 'way out' and she decided not to take it. And while I can see why he should pay child support, that's the extent of what he can be forced to IMHO.

    Anony Mouse
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While I think generalizing everything based on birth year is stupid (I’m gen-z so I do thus! Bonkers are like that!) I’m grateful to be gen-x who learned about condoms not just for birth control purposes, but to prevent diseases. It was hammered into our collective psyche and other generations are apparently just effing dumb about it.

    Yu Pan
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It takes two to have a baby, so if you don't want one, don't make one. But if all precautions fail, then pay up even if you don't want to be a parent. But beyond that, it's on the mother. Abortion is a choice so she needs to bear the weight of that choice, as does he.

    elfin
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If DNA tests show that the child his, then he should be required to provide whatever support is legally required. Doing otherwise punishes an innocent child. And if he didn't want to be a father, perhaps he shouldn't be doing things that can result in pregnancy. He is old enough to take responsibility for that.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If sp**m donor's on the birth certificate, hopefully OP can go for child support. If he didn't wear a c****m + hasn't had a vasectomy, he's 50% responsible for that baby. He doesn't have to see it, just pay child support.

    HappyLion95
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's right. He offered his form of help. She can take him for child support. My pill failed, I had the baby. D**n did I need help but I don't ask and I did t take it...omitted a few details...safety is important

    Nat49
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He told her and offered a solution and she decided to have it. His only responsibility is give child support because it’s the law. Pro-Choice works both ways. She chose to have it, he chose to not.

    Gail Lott
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He FA'd now he's Finding Out - - - FINANCIALLY if he didn't sign his rights away so he wouldn't have to pay. For the rest of it, if no really means no then the dude said NO from the beginning. In any other situation, pushing him on that boundary would be considered harassment. Yeah, he's a cold POS but he still has the right to say no. She's probably hoping if he spends time with the baby they'll be some Hallmark movie moment afterward. Give it up girl, why would you EVER want that thing around your baby?

    Robin Roper
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Before relations, women should whip out a contract that she has signed and has the man sign that states both are using birth control and acknowledging that no birth control is 100% effective so in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the man accepts 50% of all costs until the child is 18. This would probably prevent some unwanted pregnancies.

    43Duckies
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as he wore a c****m regardless of whether or not he thought she was on birth control, I'm with you. (I think that caveat is important because if you really, really don't want the responsibility of having a baby, it's on you to either suck it up and not have váginal s*x, or else deal with the inconvenience of providing your *own* form of protection, even if you think it's redundant.) That said, the truth is that if you engage in any activity other than abstinence, accidents are always possible (spérm can remain viable as long as it's wet, and a single drop falling onto pubic hair *could* lead to pregnancy), and once an accident HAS happened, you can't force the woman to abórt or adopt, and you have to live with the consequences. He doesn't have to ever see the baby, but it's reasonable for her to expect him to help pay for baby-sitting, for example.

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    Mark Alexander
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, if paternal responsibility begins at inception, the father has no say or control until birth. If the pregnancy is aborted at any stage, that guy is responsible for homicide. Sounds fair.

    Charlotte
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He doesn't want to be a dad, fine. Get a vasectomy, use condoms, don't have s*x with women. All choices he could make.

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    Angela Corvaia
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    Let's have a discussion here: as a teenager I was very aware that a 'women's' power is being able to 'trap' a man by creating a child he cannot abandon......any thoughts?

    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Woman here! Though I side with the man on this one, I will point out that leaving birth control to just the woman is seriously stupid, naive and outdated. I once got together with a guy who said he'd had a vasectomy - I still made him use a c****m. That s**t can fail, man! Plus there are psycho women out there who WILL baby trap a man if they can - just wrap it, people!

    Becca not Becky
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Precisely. I always say that contraception is the responsibility of whomever doesn't want a child. Especially if you don't know your partner very well, never assume that they are using contraception, or that they are using it correctly (deliberately or not). If both partners go into bed with some kind of contraception, the chances of pregnancy are very VERY low.

    Load More Replies...
    George Costanza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He can be forced to pay child support, that's the law. But he never wanted a kid. Expecting him to babysit or raise the child he was adamant he didn't want is never going to work. And it would be terrible for the kid to be exposed to a father that doesn't want them. Leave him alone and just collect the child support from him.

    TonjaLasagne
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    BINGO! I absolutely agree with you! But first he needs to get a DNA to make sure that the child is actually his before he is strapped with making payments. And from now on, he either, A/ needs to start wearing c*o*n*d*o*m*s or B/ get a vasectomy.

    Load More Replies...
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    Ms.GB
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Birth control isn't 💯 effective and if I wanted to have s*x but didn't want children I sure as hell wouldn't leave it up to someone else to take precautions for me....that's a dangerous game. At LEAST Use condoms!

    Trillian
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He didn't want a child but didn't participate in birth control -> absolutely needs to pay child support. He offered to pay for an abortion, she refused and chose to have the baby -> childcare is her job. I 💯 think women alone get to decide if they want an abortion but with the choice comes tthe responsibility.

    George Costanza
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Legally he has to pay child support whether he wore a c****m or not. It's irrelevant.

    Load More Replies...
    Scott Rackley
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've managed to get through 54 years without children, mainly because condoms and nonoxyl-9 are cheap. I remember when my uncle set me aside and told me to never ever trust the "I'm on birth control" line.

    zovjraar me
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why didn't he wear a c****m? he doesn't have to care for the child, but child support should reflect that.

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't want a guy like this anywhere near my kid under any circumstances. But I'd make sure to get that child support check, because the law says if you play you pay. I bet you money he didn't wear a c****m, so too bad, so sad for him.

    T'Mar of Vulcan
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If he didn't want a child, he should have worn a c0ndom. Moron. Oh now he has to suffer the consequences of his actions instead of the woman only suffering. Boo-hoo; my heart pumps custard for him.

    BK BigFish
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Child support, after a paternity test, maybe. Childcare, though - let's face it, the woman is crazy (and probably desperate) to leave her child with, essentially, a stranger.

    StumblingThroughLife
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds mean, but when it comes to contraception, make sure to protect yourself, rather than taking the word of your s****l partner. Sadly, people lie, and it sounds like what she did was deliberate.

    Binky Melnik
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why does it sound “deliberate”? Given that every single birth control method has failure rates (some as high as 14%, if memory serves), where did you get that it’s “deliberate”? If you quote the commenter who doesn’t understand how BC works, then we’ll suspect you’re as clueless as he is. Not even the male half of the text conversation suggests that, and if it were true, don’tcha think ed be shrieking about hang been “trapped”? Likely in uppercase?

    Load More Replies...
    Earonn -
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, he didn't take part in contraception, which was selfish and reckless. But he did offer to pay for an abortion. It was HER decision to keep this child. there was a 'way out' and she decided not to take it. And while I can see why he should pay child support, that's the extent of what he can be forced to IMHO.

    Anony Mouse
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While I think generalizing everything based on birth year is stupid (I’m gen-z so I do thus! Bonkers are like that!) I’m grateful to be gen-x who learned about condoms not just for birth control purposes, but to prevent diseases. It was hammered into our collective psyche and other generations are apparently just effing dumb about it.

    Yu Pan
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It takes two to have a baby, so if you don't want one, don't make one. But if all precautions fail, then pay up even if you don't want to be a parent. But beyond that, it's on the mother. Abortion is a choice so she needs to bear the weight of that choice, as does he.

    elfin
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If DNA tests show that the child his, then he should be required to provide whatever support is legally required. Doing otherwise punishes an innocent child. And if he didn't want to be a father, perhaps he shouldn't be doing things that can result in pregnancy. He is old enough to take responsibility for that.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If sp**m donor's on the birth certificate, hopefully OP can go for child support. If he didn't wear a c****m + hasn't had a vasectomy, he's 50% responsible for that baby. He doesn't have to see it, just pay child support.

    HappyLion95
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He's right. He offered his form of help. She can take him for child support. My pill failed, I had the baby. D**n did I need help but I don't ask and I did t take it...omitted a few details...safety is important

    Nat49
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He told her and offered a solution and she decided to have it. His only responsibility is give child support because it’s the law. Pro-Choice works both ways. She chose to have it, he chose to not.

    Gail Lott
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He FA'd now he's Finding Out - - - FINANCIALLY if he didn't sign his rights away so he wouldn't have to pay. For the rest of it, if no really means no then the dude said NO from the beginning. In any other situation, pushing him on that boundary would be considered harassment. Yeah, he's a cold POS but he still has the right to say no. She's probably hoping if he spends time with the baby they'll be some Hallmark movie moment afterward. Give it up girl, why would you EVER want that thing around your baby?

    Robin Roper
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Before relations, women should whip out a contract that she has signed and has the man sign that states both are using birth control and acknowledging that no birth control is 100% effective so in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the man accepts 50% of all costs until the child is 18. This would probably prevent some unwanted pregnancies.

    43Duckies
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As long as he wore a c****m regardless of whether or not he thought she was on birth control, I'm with you. (I think that caveat is important because if you really, really don't want the responsibility of having a baby, it's on you to either suck it up and not have váginal s*x, or else deal with the inconvenience of providing your *own* form of protection, even if you think it's redundant.) That said, the truth is that if you engage in any activity other than abstinence, accidents are always possible (spérm can remain viable as long as it's wet, and a single drop falling onto pubic hair *could* lead to pregnancy), and once an accident HAS happened, you can't force the woman to abórt or adopt, and you have to live with the consequences. He doesn't have to ever see the baby, but it's reasonable for her to expect him to help pay for baby-sitting, for example.

    Load More Replies...
    Mark Alexander
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, if paternal responsibility begins at inception, the father has no say or control until birth. If the pregnancy is aborted at any stage, that guy is responsible for homicide. Sounds fair.

    Charlotte
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He doesn't want to be a dad, fine. Get a vasectomy, use condoms, don't have s*x with women. All choices he could make.

    Load More Replies...
    Angela Corvaia
    Community Member
    Premium
    2 weeks ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    Let's have a discussion here: as a teenager I was very aware that a 'women's' power is being able to 'trap' a man by creating a child he cannot abandon......any thoughts?

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