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Man’s Past Comes Back To Bite His Wife Every Time She Praises Him, She’s Done Dealing With It
Man’s Past Comes Back To Bite His Wife Every Time She Praises Him, She’s Done Dealing With It
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Man’s Past Comes Back To Bite His Wife Every Time She Praises Him, She’s Done Dealing With It

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We all have a clear image in our heads of what a “traditional” family looks like. But many children don’t have the privilege of living in a two-parent household. Even when single parents, foster parents or stepparents do their best to fill the role of absent caregiver, it can still have an immense impact on children.

Redditor Jolly_Tooth_7274’s husband made a conscious decision to completely cut ties with his biological daughter before meeting her. The current wife is aware of the whole situation, and he supports the child financially. But he has never seen her, nor does he plan to. Now the couple has a son together, and she believes that her husband’s past doesn’t interfere with him being a good father, which some of their friends found to be absurd. 

Scroll down to find the full story and a conversation with certified advanced Imago relationship therapist Trish Sanders, LCSW and Kenny Levine, LCSW, licensed therapist and coach, who kindly agreed to tell us more about parental absence.

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    Despite her husband disowning his biological daughter, this wife still thinks he is a good father

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    25% of kids live without a biological, step, or adoptive father

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    As a society, we have a very strong (almost godlike, as psychologist Lucy Blake puts it) expectation for parents to be unconditionally loving, cherishing, and caring for their children without exception. However, in reality, this isn’t always true, especially for fathers. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 25% of kids live without a biological, step, or adoptive father. 

    Parental absence can occur due to various reasons like mental illness, divorce, incarceration, distance, or death. Parents who cut ties with their children later in life might choose to do it because of family conflict, differences in personal values, substance abuse, and other toxic behavior. Particularly with sons, a breakdown in relationships is often linked to divorce, in-laws, and marriage. Meanwhile, with daughters, mental health and emotional abuse were the most common causes.

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    Certified advanced Imago relationship therapist Trish Sanders, LCSW, tells Bored Panda, “In extremely rare cases, it may make sense for a parent to leave their biological child in the care of another trusted adult. It may be hard for many parents to imagine, but in cases in which a parent fears they may harm themselves or their child, giving a child up in the name of safety may be a viable option.”

    Children who don’t know their biological fathers are at heightened risk of experiencing poverty, teenage pregnancy, obesity, or substance abuse. “Abandonment by a parent can profoundly impact a child’s sense of self-worth, often leading to feelings of rejection, insecurity, and challenges in forming trusting relationships later in life,” adds Kenny Levine, LCSW, licensed therapist and coach.

    “Children will likely question why they were abandoned and, often, will place the blame on themselves. Children may internalize feelings of being unlovable, unwanted or not good enough. This can lead to a variety of symptoms, including depression,” notes Sanders.

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    Therefore, having a supportive male figure even if there’s no biological connection can be beneficial. However, it’s important to note that even though people in our lives greatly impact how we feel, they don’t have a complete hold on them or our future. Some things may be more challenging for children without dads, but there are various ways to successfully overcome the effects of parental absence.

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    Making such a decision isn’t an easy choice for parents

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    On the other hand, making such a decision isn’t an easy choice for parents either. It can be extremely difficult, painful, and isolating. “It must be understood that the decision to abandon one’s child can be gut wrenching and is usually not made lightly. Parents who were in a situation in which they felt they had to give up their child may carry the burden of that choice with them for the rest of their lives.  Parents may struggle with guilt, unworthiness or depression themselves.  In either case, a sense of lack, conscious or not, may be pervasive and show up in their lives and in other relationships they have.”

    Many parents don’t have the support they need making them feel like leaving their baby is the only option. “It would serve us as a society to be curious about the circumstances that lead to a parent having to make that kind of life altering decision. I would encourage us to look at means of supporting parents in situations such as this, rather than shunning or judging them,” says Sanders. “It is also important to note that in our current nation, many women do not have proper access to reproductive health services, which can lead to more unintended pregnancies. This also creates a major social issue for parents who may not want to give up their child, but may also not be in a position to care for them.”

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    “How the children and parent can best heal from a history of abandonment will depend on the children’s age, the circumstances surrounding the abandonment, and other contributing factors,” says Levine. “Healing from parental abandonment requires open communication, therapy, and a commitment from both the parent and children to rebuild trust, process feelings of loss, and create a new, healthier foundation for their relationship.”

    When a recovered relationship isn’t in the cards for them Sanders suggests creating healthy bonds with other people. “Though there will be challenges along the way, a parent and child can develop the relational and communication skills needed to create relationships in their lives in which they feel validated, good enough and valued. This may require professional support, such as therapy, but through this process, some level of healing old abandonment wounds is possible,” she concludes.

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    The author provided more details about the situation in the comments

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    Some readers supported the wife

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    While others didn’t think her husband was a good father

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    After some time, the author posted an update

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    Austeja Zokaitė

    Austeja Zokaitė

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    Hi, glad you swung by! My name is Austėja, and in the past, I was a writer at Bored Panda. In my time here, I’ve covered some fun topics such as scrungy cats and pareidolia, as well as more serious ones about mental health and relationship hiccups. You can check them out below! I hope you enjoy reading them as much as I enjoyed writing them:)

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    Hphizzle
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s amazing what real, solid adult conversations can do to improve a situation.

    Momma Jess
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dude still participates in the first kid's life via child support, that's far from being a deadbeat dad really. He wasn't ready, other party refused to abort/adopt out, he still paid child support, end of discussion.

    Bryn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And the mother of the first child was okay with all of that! That's the part that people can't seem to read.

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    Sarah Matsoukis
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a bad father to the girl, he was NO father to her and that is okay, better than someone who isn't ready and overwhelmed and it shows.

    Binky Melnik
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s just awful that other people feed the need to stick their noses in and “be heard” when everyone’s doing just fine.

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    Cori
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, so here's the thing about being pro choice. Yes, it is about a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. But it's also about choosing when, or if, we become parents. This includes men. This guy was up front from the very beginning of that unplanned pregnancy that he was NOT ready to be a father. If the 'well, you shouldn't have been having sex then' conversation doesn't apply to women in these situations, than it shouldn't apply to men either.

    mandy the capibara
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think that is largely understandable, with the stipulation that while you can have the choice to not take on a fatherly role, it doesn't mean you can completely opt out of ( financial) responsibilities. Because freedom if choice doesn't mean there is no accountability. But in this case, the father has taken on that responsibility.

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    Kim Bailey
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Has the definition of "deadbeat" in terms of parenting changed? He pays child support and has a trust/college fund for a child he did not want! Deadbeats do nothing but provide some DNA! I don't understand the YTA folks.

    Sojourner
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently if you don't stay with a baby trapper you're a DEADBEAT.

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    Alysha Pursley
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the mother had given the girl up for adoption because she wasn’t ready for a child, then later got married and has kids, would these people be saying the same thing about her if her husband was always saying what’s great mom she is?? I bet they wouldn’t. So they are only being judge mental because it was the dad. SMH

    Joe Bloe
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman can have abortion, even if her boyfriend is oppose. The same way, a man can revoke his parent's rights. Each one in the couple can head in different direction, it's normal. It's not normal to force someone else decision on other.

    Sojourner
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The BF/husband should have SOME choice in the woman keeping the baby.

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    Gabriele Alfredo Pini
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman (at least in Italy) can leave her child in the hospital and nobody would ask anything more. He provided financially for his daughter, at least, but for some people he is still in the wrong?

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US fire stations, most churches, and hospitals are all safe havens to leave babies, no questions.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a person is up front about their desire to not be a parent, and you would keep a child from an accidental pregnancy, either don't sleep with them, or don't be upset when they are as good as their word. Pressuring a partner into parenthood is at least as unethical and cruel as pressuring a partner into sex.

    Aelin Wildfire
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say it's even worse, because of the long-term impact... But that's my personal opinion.

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    Koala ala ala
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, those women are just incredibly immature. It obviously wasn't an ideal situation, but he'd made his position clear from the start, and didn't try to get out of his responsibility and readily paid child support etc. It is absolutely possible for him to now be a good father with his wife at a point that he's ready to be. It'd be much worse if he was begrudgingly involved with the child so they grew up feeling resented. Honestly he sounds like a pretty good man to me.

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are correct. But she is the AH by getting butt hurt when confronted when she claims, wrongfully, that her husband is a good father.

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    Sunny Day
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Callie chose to have the baby because she thought it would tie Tim to her. Makes me wonder if the pregnancy was actually unplanned. And - if Callie had decided she wasn't ready to be a parent, she had the option of abortion. End of discussion. But guys don't have a "get out of jail free card". They have no rights in deciding IF they want to be a parent, once a pregnancy is confirmed. But they get badmouthed for not transforming into a perfect parent at the whim of the child's mother. I can definitely understand not wanting to be a parent, and if I got pregnant I'd have gotten an abortion. So I feel sorry for guys like Tim who got stuck in a situation that was not his choice.

    Kare Deter
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I came away with "pregnancy entrapment" vibes.

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    Korok
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    1 year ago

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    Ash
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's really sad that so many commenters felt the need to project their own hurt feelings about their own lives onto OP and her husband.

    iseefractals
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So lets say a woman has an abortion, or gives a child up for adoption, for whatever reason. If she then at some later point has children, and by all appearances is the bestest mommy in the land, is anyone gonna be saying "well, to THIS kid"? Outside of religious zealots, not very likely. Women get to have choices. Men are forced into obligations, and even when they provide financial support to the child they did not want, nor want anything to do with they're still vilified as "deadbeats" No one should be forced into parental responsibility, of any kind, nor should they be looked down upon for having the self awareness to acknowledge that it's not something for them, or not something for them at the moment. This double standard, has got be acknowledged and put away.

    Rebecca Joan
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because someone renounces their child immediately doesn’t mean they can’t later on be a good parent. I think OP’s husband was very up front about his wishes with the kid, and all the hope in the world from the kid’s mom isn’t gonna change his feelings. It is like he gave her up for adoption and he still provided his ex with child support. There is no reason for him to feel anything for the child just because his sperm conceived her. It’s be like every woman who used a sperm donor expecting the donor to be involved in the kids life.

    WorkAholic1
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Truly, our comments about whether or not the bio dad was a good dad or not is just our own feelings on the matter. Our feelings don't count at all in the grand scheme of this couple. Personally, from her update, it sounds like they and the other couple are doing a wonderful thing for the 12-year-old. She gets the benefits of having money in the bank, plus she gets adopted by a man who loves her. If she's not suffering from not knowing her bio dad, then why should the Reddit community at large complain?

    Voice of reason?
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm amazed at all the people saying Tim is a c**p father. Those same people would probably be shouting "my body, my choice" from the rooftops had the woman chosen to abort that little girl. Why does the woman get to choose whether she wants to be a mother, but the man has no choice? He made it clear from the beginning he was not interested in being a father at that time but still did the right thing by providing financial support. If he had, as many seem to think he should, decided he wanted to be involved once he was older and ready to be a father, it would've been very disruptive to the lives of both the woman and the child. I would've been very resentful of that disruption if it were me.

    jennifer brinkman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like he was a good father after all. The daughter gets an adoptive dad that really loves her. All in all a happy ending. Adopting a child to me matters more than just having one. They are chosen!!

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a good father. He was a good s***m donor with a checkbook. Nothing he did can be characterized as fathering.

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    LittleTeapot
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank goodness for the sanity in these comments. The YTA ones above are so incredibly narrow minded it’s hard to stomach.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Take a random survey of early to mid 20's men + women + see how many of them are ready to have kids RIGHT NOW. OP's hubs did what was best for him at the time: he wasn't ready to be a parent + was clear about it from the beginning. He did pay child support and daughter has college fund. It's not like he took off + left the mom holding the bag. When he + OP had a child he was READY to be a parent.

    Ali
    Community Member
    12 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You cannot force somebody to be a parent, that leaves horrible scars. It is better for this little girl to have been a child to a single mother or put up for adoption than to live with bio parents that don't want her. And the same way I don't think a man should ever force a woman to be pregnant/a mother, a woman shouldn't be able to force a man into fatherhood.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Raise you hand if you wanted a baby in your late teens/early 20's. Yeah, didn't think so.

    P.L. Packer
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What amazes me is the fact there is an agreement between the mother and bio father that included child support, therefore he is NOT a deadbeat father. And the acknowledgement that he would not be involved in this child's life. At this point, I would think it would negatively disrupt a 12 year old girl's life to suddenly have a stranger thrust at her and told it's her bio father. People need to respect the decisions made by the girl's parents. AND BU*T OUT, it's NOT their business.

    White Thunder
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So because a man didn't want to be a father too early he's suddenly not allowed to be a father at all? Because that's the vibe I get from some of the comments.

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No. He just doesn't get to be characterized as a good father without specifying that he is a good father to his 2nd child, and not to the first.

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    Caro Doughty
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is not amazing that while you are fighting here, 4 adults are really figure out how to resolve the problem. Please people dont be Jane, not because life has not being working for you means you can judge and screwed others. Tim and his ex girlfriend figure out at that time one wasn't not ready the other want a baby. He is a good father, and the girl has a father so stop to create a sad story like he abandoned his daughter, he doesn't care about her and the girl is lonely and in questionable situations.

    ZestyBison
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The woman wanted to keep the pregnancy and did. Sounds like these two need a new friend group.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A child does not benefit from having a parent in their life who does not want to be a parent. He is not deadbeat because he financially supported the child.

    Linnoff
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not saying this is what happened, but it wouldn't been crazy to think that Callie saw the relationship fading but was still in love with Tim, so she got pregnant hoping it would get him to stay with her. I'm glad she met Sal and that Ellie seems to have a loving family, not a mother that resents her. Jane needs some therapy to get over her miscarriage.

    Elke Knupp
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are both cold as ice. Not wanting to ever meet your own flesh and blood is not a good father and I’d be annoyed too to have to listen to his wife rave about him.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And this is why we keep our nose out of other people's business, Jane. Tim fulfilled his financial responsibilities, which means he's not a deadbeat. He stayed consistent in his refusal to be part of the child's life, which is far better for her than for him to be an unenthusiastic participant. The child has an excellent father in Sal, and Callie obviously has no desire to have Tim pop in and call himself Daddy. Everyone was fine except for Jane, who needed to stir up drama for.... entertainment? Whatever. Jane, MYOB.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Other mom is toxic AF. She desperately needs psychological help.

    Sarah Léon
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    4 years before being my dad, my father had a one night stand with his ex while being with my future mother, and 9 months later, a child was born. My father didn't want anything to do with her. I was born 3 years later and discovered I had a half-sister when I was 13. My father was the best dad you can imagine. He was always there for me, he drove 800km every 3 friday night and 800km every next sunday just to spend 1 saturday with me. He was an exceptionnal father ! He finally met my sister when she was 20 and she never thought he was a bad father. He didn't abandonned her. He didn't want her at that time. She didn't resent me either. She wanted to know me before meeting him. He became a great father for her and a great grandpa for her children. I still think he regretted not being her father at the beginning, but it's not because you can't be a father some time that you can't be a great father few years later.

    Stckynote
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if he was an actual deadbeat she would've received nothing. my birth father/sperm donor didn't finish paying the child support for me until i was 22. he would quit jobs to not pay child support.

    Granger
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not being a deadbeat, when you are crystal clear from the start, that you do not want the child. The selfish parent is the mother raising a child without a father, dissing the dad, and taking his money. That child has to go through life knowing it wasn't wanted. I'm a woman. If I got pregnant, and the dad didn't want the child, and I couldn't financially be solely responsible for that child, I wouldn't have it. That's setting that child up for a life of heartache. If you're not ready (which he wasn't) you shouldn't be a parent, regardless of gender. How many children have horrible upbringings because they weren't planned but the parents still raised them in an unloving, irresponsible environment?

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1st question: what trailer park do you all live in? 2nd question: why are you so adamant in wanting to put lipstick on a pig? "I'll write a check, I don't have to care," doesn't a good father make. It just doesn't. The truth is he's a good father to your (his second) child. He is a bad father to his first child. Final comment: he's not a "deadbeat" dad; he does write the checks. Words have meaning and reading comprehension is a thing.

    CD Mills
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't buy any of it, this sounds like a Creative Writing Assignment with a mandatory "And they all lived happily ever after!" ending after the scripted 'twists'. Call the clean-up crew, there are cow pies everywhere!

    tee-lena
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My birth father pulled this s**t. I never met him. Scum. The lot of them

    Daily Jotting
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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    Kathrin Pukowsky
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uhm... just a random tip for boredpanda: If comments get deleted, maybe also delete the replies to the deleted comments. I was weirded out to find my comments floating around the comment section without context.

    Kathrin Pukowsky
    Community Member
    1 year ago

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    Alro
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Legal abortion needs to be discussed

    Becky Samuel
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why? Legal abortion has been proven over and over again to save womens' lives. Discussion over.

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    Lisa Lee
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    bottom line is, If he wasn't ready to be a father, why was he going through motions of procreating? And if he's involved in baby making activities, and he didn't want a baby, or be a father--why didn't he get a vasectomy?

    Rocky
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know a positive ending but sorta YTA to the lady for going off about being a good father among others well aware of the situation. It was being tone deaf even tho the bio mom was fine. A little weird. But yay, happy mature ending.

    Gerard Egan
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your Husband's the A*****e. Why is the onus ALWAYS on women to prevent pregnancy? If he didn't want a child He should have used protection, any type of protection at all times. He didn't and he got someone pregnant.

    Hphizzle
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s amazing what real, solid adult conversations can do to improve a situation.

    Momma Jess
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dude still participates in the first kid's life via child support, that's far from being a deadbeat dad really. He wasn't ready, other party refused to abort/adopt out, he still paid child support, end of discussion.

    Bryn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And the mother of the first child was okay with all of that! That's the part that people can't seem to read.

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    Sarah Matsoukis
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a bad father to the girl, he was NO father to her and that is okay, better than someone who isn't ready and overwhelmed and it shows.

    Binky Melnik
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It’s just awful that other people feed the need to stick their noses in and “be heard” when everyone’s doing just fine.

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    Cori
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Okay, so here's the thing about being pro choice. Yes, it is about a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. But it's also about choosing when, or if, we become parents. This includes men. This guy was up front from the very beginning of that unplanned pregnancy that he was NOT ready to be a father. If the 'well, you shouldn't have been having sex then' conversation doesn't apply to women in these situations, than it shouldn't apply to men either.

    mandy the capibara
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think that is largely understandable, with the stipulation that while you can have the choice to not take on a fatherly role, it doesn't mean you can completely opt out of ( financial) responsibilities. Because freedom if choice doesn't mean there is no accountability. But in this case, the father has taken on that responsibility.

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    Kim Bailey
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Has the definition of "deadbeat" in terms of parenting changed? He pays child support and has a trust/college fund for a child he did not want! Deadbeats do nothing but provide some DNA! I don't understand the YTA folks.

    Sojourner
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently if you don't stay with a baby trapper you're a DEADBEAT.

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    Alysha Pursley
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the mother had given the girl up for adoption because she wasn’t ready for a child, then later got married and has kids, would these people be saying the same thing about her if her husband was always saying what’s great mom she is?? I bet they wouldn’t. So they are only being judge mental because it was the dad. SMH

    Joe Bloe
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman can have abortion, even if her boyfriend is oppose. The same way, a man can revoke his parent's rights. Each one in the couple can head in different direction, it's normal. It's not normal to force someone else decision on other.

    Sojourner
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The BF/husband should have SOME choice in the woman keeping the baby.

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    Gabriele Alfredo Pini
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A woman (at least in Italy) can leave her child in the hospital and nobody would ask anything more. He provided financially for his daughter, at least, but for some people he is still in the wrong?

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the US fire stations, most churches, and hospitals are all safe havens to leave babies, no questions.

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    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a person is up front about their desire to not be a parent, and you would keep a child from an accidental pregnancy, either don't sleep with them, or don't be upset when they are as good as their word. Pressuring a partner into parenthood is at least as unethical and cruel as pressuring a partner into sex.

    Aelin Wildfire
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say it's even worse, because of the long-term impact... But that's my personal opinion.

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    Koala ala ala
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, those women are just incredibly immature. It obviously wasn't an ideal situation, but he'd made his position clear from the start, and didn't try to get out of his responsibility and readily paid child support etc. It is absolutely possible for him to now be a good father with his wife at a point that he's ready to be. It'd be much worse if he was begrudgingly involved with the child so they grew up feeling resented. Honestly he sounds like a pretty good man to me.

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You are correct. But she is the AH by getting butt hurt when confronted when she claims, wrongfully, that her husband is a good father.

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    Sunny Day
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Callie chose to have the baby because she thought it would tie Tim to her. Makes me wonder if the pregnancy was actually unplanned. And - if Callie had decided she wasn't ready to be a parent, she had the option of abortion. End of discussion. But guys don't have a "get out of jail free card". They have no rights in deciding IF they want to be a parent, once a pregnancy is confirmed. But they get badmouthed for not transforming into a perfect parent at the whim of the child's mother. I can definitely understand not wanting to be a parent, and if I got pregnant I'd have gotten an abortion. So I feel sorry for guys like Tim who got stuck in a situation that was not his choice.

    Kare Deter
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I came away with "pregnancy entrapment" vibes.

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    Korok
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    1 year ago

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    Ash
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's really sad that so many commenters felt the need to project their own hurt feelings about their own lives onto OP and her husband.

    iseefractals
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So lets say a woman has an abortion, or gives a child up for adoption, for whatever reason. If she then at some later point has children, and by all appearances is the bestest mommy in the land, is anyone gonna be saying "well, to THIS kid"? Outside of religious zealots, not very likely. Women get to have choices. Men are forced into obligations, and even when they provide financial support to the child they did not want, nor want anything to do with they're still vilified as "deadbeats" No one should be forced into parental responsibility, of any kind, nor should they be looked down upon for having the self awareness to acknowledge that it's not something for them, or not something for them at the moment. This double standard, has got be acknowledged and put away.

    Rebecca Joan
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just because someone renounces their child immediately doesn’t mean they can’t later on be a good parent. I think OP’s husband was very up front about his wishes with the kid, and all the hope in the world from the kid’s mom isn’t gonna change his feelings. It is like he gave her up for adoption and he still provided his ex with child support. There is no reason for him to feel anything for the child just because his sperm conceived her. It’s be like every woman who used a sperm donor expecting the donor to be involved in the kids life.

    WorkAholic1
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Truly, our comments about whether or not the bio dad was a good dad or not is just our own feelings on the matter. Our feelings don't count at all in the grand scheme of this couple. Personally, from her update, it sounds like they and the other couple are doing a wonderful thing for the 12-year-old. She gets the benefits of having money in the bank, plus she gets adopted by a man who loves her. If she's not suffering from not knowing her bio dad, then why should the Reddit community at large complain?

    Voice of reason?
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm amazed at all the people saying Tim is a c**p father. Those same people would probably be shouting "my body, my choice" from the rooftops had the woman chosen to abort that little girl. Why does the woman get to choose whether she wants to be a mother, but the man has no choice? He made it clear from the beginning he was not interested in being a father at that time but still did the right thing by providing financial support. If he had, as many seem to think he should, decided he wanted to be involved once he was older and ready to be a father, it would've been very disruptive to the lives of both the woman and the child. I would've been very resentful of that disruption if it were me.

    jennifer brinkman
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Seems like he was a good father after all. The daughter gets an adoptive dad that really loves her. All in all a happy ending. Adopting a child to me matters more than just having one. They are chosen!!

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wasn't a good father. He was a good s***m donor with a checkbook. Nothing he did can be characterized as fathering.

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    LittleTeapot
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank goodness for the sanity in these comments. The YTA ones above are so incredibly narrow minded it’s hard to stomach.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Take a random survey of early to mid 20's men + women + see how many of them are ready to have kids RIGHT NOW. OP's hubs did what was best for him at the time: he wasn't ready to be a parent + was clear about it from the beginning. He did pay child support and daughter has college fund. It's not like he took off + left the mom holding the bag. When he + OP had a child he was READY to be a parent.

    Ali
    Community Member
    12 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You cannot force somebody to be a parent, that leaves horrible scars. It is better for this little girl to have been a child to a single mother or put up for adoption than to live with bio parents that don't want her. And the same way I don't think a man should ever force a woman to be pregnant/a mother, a woman shouldn't be able to force a man into fatherhood.

    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Raise you hand if you wanted a baby in your late teens/early 20's. Yeah, didn't think so.

    P.L. Packer
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What amazes me is the fact there is an agreement between the mother and bio father that included child support, therefore he is NOT a deadbeat father. And the acknowledgement that he would not be involved in this child's life. At this point, I would think it would negatively disrupt a 12 year old girl's life to suddenly have a stranger thrust at her and told it's her bio father. People need to respect the decisions made by the girl's parents. AND BU*T OUT, it's NOT their business.

    White Thunder
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So because a man didn't want to be a father too early he's suddenly not allowed to be a father at all? Because that's the vibe I get from some of the comments.

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No. He just doesn't get to be characterized as a good father without specifying that he is a good father to his 2nd child, and not to the first.

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    Caro Doughty
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is not amazing that while you are fighting here, 4 adults are really figure out how to resolve the problem. Please people dont be Jane, not because life has not being working for you means you can judge and screwed others. Tim and his ex girlfriend figure out at that time one wasn't not ready the other want a baby. He is a good father, and the girl has a father so stop to create a sad story like he abandoned his daughter, he doesn't care about her and the girl is lonely and in questionable situations.

    ZestyBison
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The woman wanted to keep the pregnancy and did. Sounds like these two need a new friend group.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A child does not benefit from having a parent in their life who does not want to be a parent. He is not deadbeat because he financially supported the child.

    Linnoff
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not saying this is what happened, but it wouldn't been crazy to think that Callie saw the relationship fading but was still in love with Tim, so she got pregnant hoping it would get him to stay with her. I'm glad she met Sal and that Ellie seems to have a loving family, not a mother that resents her. Jane needs some therapy to get over her miscarriage.

    Elke Knupp
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are both cold as ice. Not wanting to ever meet your own flesh and blood is not a good father and I’d be annoyed too to have to listen to his wife rave about him.

    Insomniac
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And this is why we keep our nose out of other people's business, Jane. Tim fulfilled his financial responsibilities, which means he's not a deadbeat. He stayed consistent in his refusal to be part of the child's life, which is far better for her than for him to be an unenthusiastic participant. The child has an excellent father in Sal, and Callie obviously has no desire to have Tim pop in and call himself Daddy. Everyone was fine except for Jane, who needed to stir up drama for.... entertainment? Whatever. Jane, MYOB.

    Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Other mom is toxic AF. She desperately needs psychological help.

    Sarah Léon
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    4 years before being my dad, my father had a one night stand with his ex while being with my future mother, and 9 months later, a child was born. My father didn't want anything to do with her. I was born 3 years later and discovered I had a half-sister when I was 13. My father was the best dad you can imagine. He was always there for me, he drove 800km every 3 friday night and 800km every next sunday just to spend 1 saturday with me. He was an exceptionnal father ! He finally met my sister when she was 20 and she never thought he was a bad father. He didn't abandonned her. He didn't want her at that time. She didn't resent me either. She wanted to know me before meeting him. He became a great father for her and a great grandpa for her children. I still think he regretted not being her father at the beginning, but it's not because you can't be a father some time that you can't be a great father few years later.

    Stckynote
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if he was an actual deadbeat she would've received nothing. my birth father/sperm donor didn't finish paying the child support for me until i was 22. he would quit jobs to not pay child support.

    Granger
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not being a deadbeat, when you are crystal clear from the start, that you do not want the child. The selfish parent is the mother raising a child without a father, dissing the dad, and taking his money. That child has to go through life knowing it wasn't wanted. I'm a woman. If I got pregnant, and the dad didn't want the child, and I couldn't financially be solely responsible for that child, I wouldn't have it. That's setting that child up for a life of heartache. If you're not ready (which he wasn't) you shouldn't be a parent, regardless of gender. How many children have horrible upbringings because they weren't planned but the parents still raised them in an unloving, irresponsible environment?

    Tom De Paul
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1st question: what trailer park do you all live in? 2nd question: why are you so adamant in wanting to put lipstick on a pig? "I'll write a check, I don't have to care," doesn't a good father make. It just doesn't. The truth is he's a good father to your (his second) child. He is a bad father to his first child. Final comment: he's not a "deadbeat" dad; he does write the checks. Words have meaning and reading comprehension is a thing.

    CD Mills
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't buy any of it, this sounds like a Creative Writing Assignment with a mandatory "And they all lived happily ever after!" ending after the scripted 'twists'. Call the clean-up crew, there are cow pies everywhere!

    tee-lena
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My birth father pulled this s**t. I never met him. Scum. The lot of them

    Daily Jotting
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    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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    Kathrin Pukowsky
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uhm... just a random tip for boredpanda: If comments get deleted, maybe also delete the replies to the deleted comments. I was weirded out to find my comments floating around the comment section without context.

    Kathrin Pukowsky
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    1 year ago

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    Alro
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Legal abortion needs to be discussed

    Becky Samuel
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why? Legal abortion has been proven over and over again to save womens' lives. Discussion over.

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    Lisa Lee
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    bottom line is, If he wasn't ready to be a father, why was he going through motions of procreating? And if he's involved in baby making activities, and he didn't want a baby, or be a father--why didn't he get a vasectomy?

    Rocky
    Community Member
    1 year ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know a positive ending but sorta YTA to the lady for going off about being a good father among others well aware of the situation. It was being tone deaf even tho the bio mom was fine. A little weird. But yay, happy mature ending.

    Gerard Egan
    Community Member
    1 year ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your Husband's the A*****e. Why is the onus ALWAYS on women to prevent pregnancy? If he didn't want a child He should have used protection, any type of protection at all times. He didn't and he got someone pregnant.

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