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Waitress Ignores Sober Guy All Night, So All Of His Friends Refuse To Leave Her A Tip
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Waitress Ignores Sober Guy All Night, So All Of His Friends Refuse To Leave Her A Tip

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Tipping can be tricky, especially when there’s a gap between what the servers think of themselves and the way you see them. Redditor Nerd_Rat shared a story about a night out with friends at a club, where he couldn’t drink due to medication. Despite ordering a simple soda, the waitress repeatedly ignored him while attending to everyone else. When it came time to pay the hefty tab, things took an unexpected turn as his friends decided to unite and teach the employee a lesson on customer service.

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    But as this story shows, they still have to earn it

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    Friends upset over no tip on $300+ tab leave notes about a missed Sprite, sparking debate on tipping waitress etiquette.

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    Tipping used to be a thank you—now, it’s an expectation

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    These situations can’t be judged in a vacuum. According to a new report from personal finance company WalletHub, which examined Americans’ current attitudes toward gratuity, nearly 9 in 10 Americans think tipping culture has gone too far—a sharp increase from the around 75% who thought the same last year.

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    According to WalletHub analyst Chip Lupo, a huge part of people’s frustration is that they no longer know who to tip or how much to tip.

    “You’re tipping for personal service. If you have a cup of coffee pushed to the end of the counter or someone’s handing you a bag of fast food through a drive-thru window, that’s not traditionally what tipping should be about,” Lupo explained. “If they feel like these tipping screens are invasive, these respondents say they’ll tip less or not even tip at all.”

    This “tipflation” can backfire and result in workers, who would traditionally receive a fair tip for their service, getting less—or nothing at all—as customers grow increasingly frustrated and start pushing back across the board.

    So, the key point in our story might not even be whether the waitress deserved $0, but that tipping has become so overused and unclear that even well-meaning customers feel pushed to make a statement.

    Most people who read the guy’s confession think he did nothing wrong, including those who work in the industry

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    But some believe the group overreacted

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    A few say he was right to be upset, but that his friends took it too far by not tipping at all

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    Then there are those who say everyone’s to blame here

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    Onan Hag All
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you lived in a civilised country you wouldn't have this dilemma.

    Michael Largey
    Community Member
    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is the waitress deliberately and systematically insulting the OP, not tipping.

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    Kit Black
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The most screwed up thing, the hospitality industry has done was convince people that if you don't tip waitstaff didn't make any money that night and they will starve... it is federal law that in any pay period where someone paid under waitstaff wages rules does not make a total average of minimum wage when hourly PLUS ACTUAL TIPS RECEIVED are added up, the restaurant must add sufficient compensation so that the number of hours worked = federal minimum wage. this is also why wait staff complain that they should not have to report cash tips and are campaigning to have tips tax free - anythingThey don't report, doesn't show up on wages.And the restaurant has to pay them more per hour. And think of any other job where you would say that it's totally okay for them to report less than a third of their income for taxation??? It's nuts.

    Jihana
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't know that, but I'm not from the US. But that's very interesting, thank you for explaining it.

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    Boo
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a waitress, bartender, barmaid and banquet server in the US and NTA. If you can't remember (or be àrsed) a single drink order, then you are in the wrong job and to expect to be tipped for shìtty service? Naw...that's not how this works. For his mates to not tip on their bill....tipping is discretionary. They saw their friend receive no service and they were tipping accordingly. And before anyone comes at me saying. ..that's just the way things are, thats how servers get paid etc, get bent. If you want tips, you give good service.

    LookASquirrel
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a group was drinking and someone ordered a sprite or a Coke I wouldn't even charge them. I always said with a wink, nudge nudge, order your shot with ginger ale chaser. Then it is free. Also when I was a designated driver and only ordered water i always got good service and tipped. interesting that this was a server in a bar and not the bartender. Unfortunately some servers are greedy and the bartenders do a lot of the work.

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    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She literally ignored him several times and then tried to charge for the drink she never bought, so yeah, she can learn the hard way. Tipping might be mandatory in US but everywhere else in the world it's earned through good service.

    LookASquirrel
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is not mandatory. I live in the USA and spent decades as a waitress and bartender. This woman got what she deserved. Nothing.

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    Rick Murray
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For all of the YTA/ETA people, this waitress did not "oops, forgot". She deliberately didn't bring the drink *multiple* times then tried to palm off a bill for the drink that she didn't bring. This isn't stress, tiredness, or even incompetence. This is downright malicious. If it were me (as a non-drinker because my insides react violently to alcohol (and *loads* of other things)), not only would there be no tip, there would be a strongly worded letter to head office. Not the local manager, the manager's manager's manager.

    Andrew Arons
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whenever I've reminded a server that they forgot something, they're always apologetic and immediately go back and get it. Something else was going on with this waitress other than "forgetting" to get the Sprite three separate times. Maybe she knew OP from high school or something. Maybe she thought he was rude. Or maybe he just reminded her of some ex-boyfriend. Who knows? But I think she made a choice to forfeit her tip.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She was coddling the drinkers because folks who are hammered typically leave a bigger tip than the non drinker.

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    roddy
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's one thing to forget a drink, but the first time she was reminded, she should have made a point of getting it. NTA for not tipping on his own bill, but I do think the others should have tipped, they were well served.

    Liserhawkie80
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the YTA saying she "forgot" the sprite...give me an effing break. He asked several times, she did NOT forget. She was blatantly rude to him and didn't serve him because he wasn't drinking alcohol. I've never left zero tip and I wouldn't have in this situation either. But, I'm also someone who is a confrontationalist (if that's a word) and I would have absolutely pulled that server aside and asked straight up why she wasn't serving my friend. And I would have told her that not serving him would effect her future tip at the end of the night, so she better straighten up.

    Emilu
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    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would have given her the tip she deserves. Depending on the time she took/didn’t take, if she was apologetic once she realised she forgot the Sprite, etc. I’m not American but I have somewhat familiarised myself with their tipping culture so I understand there's a default expectation. However, I won’t pay extra for s**t service, in Aus or anywhere else. Even (especially) if the culture is to reward bad behaviour… nope.

    Don Adams
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did tip the bartender for the service. His friends noticed that OP was being ignored and acted. The waitress could have gotten the soda and water with little effort and time expended, but chose not to, probably counting on a generous tip from the alcohol drinkers. If her well being is tied with tips, she should do her job better.

    Miriam Insidecor
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nobody should need to live off tips.

    R Dennis
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I usually tip 25-50%. I am not rich, I just spent my whole working career in food and customer service, so I understand how hard they work. Not remembering the drink once is one thing. Not bringing it three times and lying about the bar transferring it is intentional. She earned $0.

    Brandon Sheumaker
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTAs who exonerate the waitress for forgetting the Sprite: she didn't forget it, she IGNORED it. There's a big difference. Ignoring it is "forgetting with intent" She went for the big payday and ignored the small stuff. But she remembered when it came time to actually get paid! And when OP said it had already been settled with the bartender, she had the GALL to straight up LIE about having the order passed over to her so that she could fleece another few bucks from them. Utterly despicable behavior on the part of the server.

    Julia H
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For all she knew he was the designated driver. Each time when my husband or me acts as the sober driver, we're treated with respect. I might have given her something, but not anywhere near what she hoped for.

    Gene Perry
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sobor guy asked several time. Once is she's busy, twice is bad service, thrice is just being a bitt*h. Dudes should have left pennies ... that way the waitress would definitely know that the guys didn't forget, that they did not tip intentionally.

    Beef Brisket
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah, no server forgets a drink that many times--especially since she "remembered" to bring you the tab at the end of night. It was clearly intentional, and her appalling (lack of) service to you affected EVERYONE at the table, lessening the enjoyment of the evening--so she gave bad service to ALL of you, and didn't deserve a tip from anybody.

    Flo
    Community Member
    7 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTAs are tripping again, probably because most of them are waiters/waitresses themselves, giving people s****y service.

    K Barnes
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wish OP would have said something to the manager/owner. They should know if a staff member is pointedly ignoring a patron. At most places the DD gets free pops, not ignored. In this case OP would have seemed like a DD, even if he wasn't.

    tl gmc
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a waitress wouldn't you think the person not drinking is the designated driver? Someone you need so people could drink? Makes no sense

    Toothless Feline
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The key thing that many of the “YTA” commenters are ignoring is that she didn’t simply “forget” his Sprite once. She *repeatedly* failed to bring it, after being reminded every time she returned to the table, while accurately serving all the others at the table. If it was an honest mistake, a conscientious person would have made a special trip just for that upon having been reminded twice. She completely failed to provide service to a member of the party. That’s not a “mistake”; that’s deliberate behavior, and it warrants consequences.

    🇺🇦 PrincessPatton 🇺🇦
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA If even his sloshed pals noticed, she doesn't deserve a tip.

    Robert T
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the **** do you pay taxes on a tip you didn't get? You presumably declare what tips you received and pay tax as a percentage of it. Or is that something else that it utterly ****ed up like the rest of America's tipping culture?

    Tom Brincefield
    Community Member
    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was someone showing off their ignorance. You don't pay taxes on a tip you didn't get.

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    Michael Fernandez
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Moving forward, there will be no taxes on tips up to $25K/year, and I think the unintended consequence will be that people will tip less. Like, here in Los Angeles, waiters are paid more than EMTs, and EMTs are fully taxed.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the year crowd, a tip is a gratuity given to show appreciation. It is not "owed" to anyone.

    Mark Childers
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once went on a double date with a buddy of mine and his girlfriend. We all went to a Mexican restaurant and were having food and drinks when the other couple asked for salsa verde. Our server, who was a little older, seemed not altogether there in general, but for some reason, he would come back with everything but the drink for my buddy and their salsa verde. Every time. The rest of us would order another round, but my buddy couldn't get a drink. After a while, I thought it was the funniest thing I had ever seen. Even if it had been me, I would have thought it was hilarious. Our server seemed to have a glitch when it came to my friend. By the time we left, I was laughing so hard I could hardly walk, and my buddy and his girlfriend were really pissed at me. I couldn't help it. It was funny! And I tipped really well for the good time. I more than made up for it in case my friend didn't tip. It was funny, not because my friend didn't get his order, but due to the absurdity of it all.

    Jack Sonol
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I expected the deranged YTAs but this time each one clearly did not read the post. Some people love being offended, I guess

    Paul Gerrard
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She needs to consider a job where her boss pays her.

    ॐBoyGanesh
    Community Member
    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Americans who report that tipping is optional & they should be paying the cost for their servers to survive, have a great point. But I can also tell you that none of them have ever eaten anywhere else in the world. Particularly Europe or Asia. Because in America to go out to eat, be it a beverage at Starbucks or a fine dining meal, you pay actual pennies compared to what it cost to eat out at any type of establishment in Europe or Asia. That’s why restaurants survive outside of the US while being able to pay their servers a living wage. They charge a reasonable and fair market value for their food and drinks. Much much more compared to what restaurants charge in America. I run a resort with 11 eating establishments, including 5 restaurants. Our guests do not pay tips for their meals or for drinks. But we also charge a reasonable amount so we can pay our employees a living wage. If American paid universally fair prices for food, they’d want the tipping system back.

    GettingCereal
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Europe and have been to several Asian countries and the US. What you said about food prices is in no way my experience. Asia is mostly cheaper by far, Japan was roughly on par with Western Europe (outside of Tokyo maybe), but you could get crazy good lunch deals that you rarely get in Europe, and the US was more expensive and then came a 20/25% tip.

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    Beef Brisket
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For those saying the US is the only country where tipping is expected, that's absolute nonsense. Other countries where tipping is part of the culture include Canada, Australia, Mexico, the UK, Russia, Spain, Italy, Maylasia, Germany, Kenya, Nigeria, France, Brazil, Thailand, Egypt, Argentina, Turkey, India, the UAE, and the list goes on and on and on. In fact, some 40% of the world's population, well over 3 BILLION, live in a country where tipping is customary. I mean, I recognize US-bashing is a popular pastime these days, but can you at least bash for something that's actually true instead of just making up falsehoods? Do y'all not ever do some research before posting misinformation? It's gobsmacking.

    Rick Murray
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is not *expected* in France. It's nice to be nice and people often leave a tip if they were treated nicely, but note that there's already a mandatory service charge (something like 6.5% if I remember correctly) added to the bill *and* employees make at least the statutory minimum, so tipping is a kindness and not an obligation or expectation. So, maybe *you* ought to do some research, eh?

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    Rick Murray
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    " In many places, servers have to rely on tips if they want to earn a living " - citation needed. As far as I'm aware there's only the one first world country where is is acceptable to pay servers peanuts.

    Beef Brisket
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then I guess you've never traveled to Canada, Australia, Mexico, the UK, Russia, Spain, Italy, Maylasia, Germany, Kenya, Nigeria, France, Brazil, Thailand, Egypt, Argentina, Turkey, India, the UAE and all the other countries where over three billion of the world's population lives and tipping is customary.

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    Awkward lady
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What business was it of hers what you drank? You're a customer, you want a drink, end of. Silly system.

    Tom Brincefield
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A Sprite costs a few dollars, even at a bar. The booze added up to $300. Even a dollar tip for the soft drink would have been nothing compared to a 15% tip on the booze. So she didn't bother, because better service to the alcohol drinkers would result in more money. No moral issue, just greed.

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    Robin Roper
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sprite guy - no tip. Others who got good service - tip on the lower side and tell the waitress the tip would have been larger had she treated their friend as real customer. My husband does not drink alcohol and when we go out, he tips well for the refills of ice tea or soda.

    Julie S
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the YTA people said "She's paying tax on a tip she didn't get". How does that work?

    LookASquirrel
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The business has to claim around 15% of sales in tips distributed among the workers (depends on the state). I was a bar manager and received tips so I tried to claim 100% of mine so younger people could claim less. It depends on where you work and if they pool tips. So if you tip me $20 and only tip Joe $1 we still spit that 21 bucks and it's up to us how we claim tips to the IRS. If you don't claim all your tips You have no income to show to buy a house or car. Buying my first car taught me that and i told it to everyone I worked with.

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    Barbara Deskins
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in most places, the waitress tips out based on sales. So, she had to tip out to other support staff even though she did not get tipped. Usually 3%...so it cost her $9 to wait o this table. NOT fair to her at all

    Russell Rieckenberg
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't know why poster made a point several times of the medical reason for not drinking alcohol. Does it matter why he doesn't want alcohol?

    Deborah B
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    8 months ago

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    The waitress was wrong for not giving the one guy decent service (presumably because she thought he was cheap and wouldn't tip). If one person in a group is non-drinking, they're usually the DD. But the friends were also in the wrong. They should have tipped 10%, because the service they got was decent, and she was doing the work of running separate checks for each of them. A note "It would have been 20%/25% if you'd bought that sprite." Would have been just as effective as a defence of their friend, without breaking the social contract.

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The friends saw what she was doing and tipped accordingly.

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    PenguinEmp
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    8 months ago (edited)

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    Wtf is wrong with you. She still provided you and your party with service. You all stiffed her because of one drink? C'mon. It happens and it's annoying but you leave a tip. Maybe just less of the one you would give but give a tip. Was she rude? Did you get your food? Did you get everything you wanted other than the sprite? Then tip

    Baba Caine
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    8 months ago

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    LMAO all these Americans complaining they shud of tipped, but none fore there country yo make waiting staff a livable working wage, and who waits 50 mins before getting off arsè and walking the 10 yards to a bar to buu a drink ? The American system is to blame here noone else

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    Yes it was bad service but I don't think it was discrimination or deliberate. Sounds like she kept thinking she would remember and then didn't. That's bad practice, but I've waited a lot and there's no reason not to bring a Sprite. Someone who seems like DD takes A LOT of pressure off the staff because you worry less about overserving , there's someone to take the drinks home at the end of the night so they act as a calming force, and they keep people there longer because their ride is assured. DD's are a waiter's friend. I think this person just overestimated their abilities on the day or was confused about who should take care of it. A lot of places the non alcoholic drinks are the waitstaff responsibility, but I'd they are in with an order of alcohol, the bartender sets it up, but other places it's always on the waitstaff, maybe signals got crossed. Maybe don't tip generously, but not to tip in a place where it is expected is douchey and could really harm that person's take home

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think "she kept thinking she would remember and then didn't", how do you explain the time that she started talking to someone else immediately after OP reminded her that she hadn't yet brought OP their repeatedly-requested drink order?

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    Not tipping when it's expected is exploitative. You've insured she's worked for less than minimum wage. She still has to tip back the kitchen, mature d, and bar staff even if she doesn't get a tip. It will come out of her bottom line, so you've changed her evening from working for hopefully better than minimum wage, but with the precariousness of never knowing how much to expect, to sweatshop labor wages. Yes tipping culture is bad and overall exploitative, but this isn't how to change it. She forgot a sprite. I forgot to cc a person into an email last night, but I don't lose my hourly. I can still pay my bills as expected. Don't take out frustration with a bad system on the people most likely to be actively harmed by the system

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe she should have gotten the Sprite, which OP asked for, and actually done her job - then I would have some sympathy about the no tip thing. If she truly started talking to another person (employee?) at one point instead of getting OP's requested drink, then she is 100% not doing her job. She didn't "forget" the Sprite unless she has short-term memory loss, as OP apparently requested it a number of times. Also, the waitress "remembered" to bring the bill to OP for the Sprite at the end of the night - she CLEARLY did not "forget" the Sprite. She simply, for whatever reason, did not want to bring it to OP. Walking off and speaking to another person isn't "oops I forgot", it's deliberate. She could have walked directly back to the bar to get the Sprite.

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    Pyla
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    Your friends should have tipped.

    Onan Hag All
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you lived in a civilised country you wouldn't have this dilemma.

    Michael Largey
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    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The problem is the waitress deliberately and systematically insulting the OP, not tipping.

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    Kit Black
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The most screwed up thing, the hospitality industry has done was convince people that if you don't tip waitstaff didn't make any money that night and they will starve... it is federal law that in any pay period where someone paid under waitstaff wages rules does not make a total average of minimum wage when hourly PLUS ACTUAL TIPS RECEIVED are added up, the restaurant must add sufficient compensation so that the number of hours worked = federal minimum wage. this is also why wait staff complain that they should not have to report cash tips and are campaigning to have tips tax free - anythingThey don't report, doesn't show up on wages.And the restaurant has to pay them more per hour. And think of any other job where you would say that it's totally okay for them to report less than a third of their income for taxation??? It's nuts.

    Jihana
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I didn't know that, but I'm not from the US. But that's very interesting, thank you for explaining it.

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    Boo
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been a waitress, bartender, barmaid and banquet server in the US and NTA. If you can't remember (or be àrsed) a single drink order, then you are in the wrong job and to expect to be tipped for shìtty service? Naw...that's not how this works. For his mates to not tip on their bill....tipping is discretionary. They saw their friend receive no service and they were tipping accordingly. And before anyone comes at me saying. ..that's just the way things are, thats how servers get paid etc, get bent. If you want tips, you give good service.

    LookASquirrel
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If a group was drinking and someone ordered a sprite or a Coke I wouldn't even charge them. I always said with a wink, nudge nudge, order your shot with ginger ale chaser. Then it is free. Also when I was a designated driver and only ordered water i always got good service and tipped. interesting that this was a server in a bar and not the bartender. Unfortunately some servers are greedy and the bartenders do a lot of the work.

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    KatSaidWhat
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She literally ignored him several times and then tried to charge for the drink she never bought, so yeah, she can learn the hard way. Tipping might be mandatory in US but everywhere else in the world it's earned through good service.

    LookASquirrel
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is not mandatory. I live in the USA and spent decades as a waitress and bartender. This woman got what she deserved. Nothing.

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    Rick Murray
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For all of the YTA/ETA people, this waitress did not "oops, forgot". She deliberately didn't bring the drink *multiple* times then tried to palm off a bill for the drink that she didn't bring. This isn't stress, tiredness, or even incompetence. This is downright malicious. If it were me (as a non-drinker because my insides react violently to alcohol (and *loads* of other things)), not only would there be no tip, there would be a strongly worded letter to head office. Not the local manager, the manager's manager's manager.

    Andrew Arons
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whenever I've reminded a server that they forgot something, they're always apologetic and immediately go back and get it. Something else was going on with this waitress other than "forgetting" to get the Sprite three separate times. Maybe she knew OP from high school or something. Maybe she thought he was rude. Or maybe he just reminded her of some ex-boyfriend. Who knows? But I think she made a choice to forfeit her tip.

    Mike F
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She was coddling the drinkers because folks who are hammered typically leave a bigger tip than the non drinker.

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    roddy
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's one thing to forget a drink, but the first time she was reminded, she should have made a point of getting it. NTA for not tipping on his own bill, but I do think the others should have tipped, they were well served.

    Liserhawkie80
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the YTA saying she "forgot" the sprite...give me an effing break. He asked several times, she did NOT forget. She was blatantly rude to him and didn't serve him because he wasn't drinking alcohol. I've never left zero tip and I wouldn't have in this situation either. But, I'm also someone who is a confrontationalist (if that's a word) and I would have absolutely pulled that server aside and asked straight up why she wasn't serving my friend. And I would have told her that not serving him would effect her future tip at the end of the night, so she better straighten up.

    Emilu
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    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would have given her the tip she deserves. Depending on the time she took/didn’t take, if she was apologetic once she realised she forgot the Sprite, etc. I’m not American but I have somewhat familiarised myself with their tipping culture so I understand there's a default expectation. However, I won’t pay extra for s**t service, in Aus or anywhere else. Even (especially) if the culture is to reward bad behaviour… nope.

    Don Adams
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP did tip the bartender for the service. His friends noticed that OP was being ignored and acted. The waitress could have gotten the soda and water with little effort and time expended, but chose not to, probably counting on a generous tip from the alcohol drinkers. If her well being is tied with tips, she should do her job better.

    Miriam Insidecor
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nobody should need to live off tips.

    R Dennis
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I usually tip 25-50%. I am not rich, I just spent my whole working career in food and customer service, so I understand how hard they work. Not remembering the drink once is one thing. Not bringing it three times and lying about the bar transferring it is intentional. She earned $0.

    Brandon Sheumaker
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To the YTAs who exonerate the waitress for forgetting the Sprite: she didn't forget it, she IGNORED it. There's a big difference. Ignoring it is "forgetting with intent" She went for the big payday and ignored the small stuff. But she remembered when it came time to actually get paid! And when OP said it had already been settled with the bartender, she had the GALL to straight up LIE about having the order passed over to her so that she could fleece another few bucks from them. Utterly despicable behavior on the part of the server.

    Julia H
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For all she knew he was the designated driver. Each time when my husband or me acts as the sober driver, we're treated with respect. I might have given her something, but not anywhere near what she hoped for.

    Gene Perry
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sobor guy asked several time. Once is she's busy, twice is bad service, thrice is just being a bitt*h. Dudes should have left pennies ... that way the waitress would definitely know that the guys didn't forget, that they did not tip intentionally.

    Beef Brisket
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nah, no server forgets a drink that many times--especially since she "remembered" to bring you the tab at the end of night. It was clearly intentional, and her appalling (lack of) service to you affected EVERYONE at the table, lessening the enjoyment of the evening--so she gave bad service to ALL of you, and didn't deserve a tip from anybody.

    Flo
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    7 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTAs are tripping again, probably because most of them are waiters/waitresses themselves, giving people s****y service.

    K Barnes
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wish OP would have said something to the manager/owner. They should know if a staff member is pointedly ignoring a patron. At most places the DD gets free pops, not ignored. In this case OP would have seemed like a DD, even if he wasn't.

    tl gmc
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a waitress wouldn't you think the person not drinking is the designated driver? Someone you need so people could drink? Makes no sense

    Toothless Feline
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The key thing that many of the “YTA” commenters are ignoring is that she didn’t simply “forget” his Sprite once. She *repeatedly* failed to bring it, after being reminded every time she returned to the table, while accurately serving all the others at the table. If it was an honest mistake, a conscientious person would have made a special trip just for that upon having been reminded twice. She completely failed to provide service to a member of the party. That’s not a “mistake”; that’s deliberate behavior, and it warrants consequences.

    🇺🇦 PrincessPatton 🇺🇦
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA If even his sloshed pals noticed, she doesn't deserve a tip.

    Robert T
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the **** do you pay taxes on a tip you didn't get? You presumably declare what tips you received and pay tax as a percentage of it. Or is that something else that it utterly ****ed up like the rest of America's tipping culture?

    Tom Brincefield
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    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It was someone showing off their ignorance. You don't pay taxes on a tip you didn't get.

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    Michael Fernandez
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Moving forward, there will be no taxes on tips up to $25K/year, and I think the unintended consequence will be that people will tip less. Like, here in Los Angeles, waiters are paid more than EMTs, and EMTs are fully taxed.

    Roberta Surprenant
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For the year crowd, a tip is a gratuity given to show appreciation. It is not "owed" to anyone.

    Mark Childers
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I once went on a double date with a buddy of mine and his girlfriend. We all went to a Mexican restaurant and were having food and drinks when the other couple asked for salsa verde. Our server, who was a little older, seemed not altogether there in general, but for some reason, he would come back with everything but the drink for my buddy and their salsa verde. Every time. The rest of us would order another round, but my buddy couldn't get a drink. After a while, I thought it was the funniest thing I had ever seen. Even if it had been me, I would have thought it was hilarious. Our server seemed to have a glitch when it came to my friend. By the time we left, I was laughing so hard I could hardly walk, and my buddy and his girlfriend were really pissed at me. I couldn't help it. It was funny! And I tipped really well for the good time. I more than made up for it in case my friend didn't tip. It was funny, not because my friend didn't get his order, but due to the absurdity of it all.

    Jack Sonol
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I expected the deranged YTAs but this time each one clearly did not read the post. Some people love being offended, I guess

    Paul Gerrard
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She needs to consider a job where her boss pays her.

    ॐBoyGanesh
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    8 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Americans who report that tipping is optional & they should be paying the cost for their servers to survive, have a great point. But I can also tell you that none of them have ever eaten anywhere else in the world. Particularly Europe or Asia. Because in America to go out to eat, be it a beverage at Starbucks or a fine dining meal, you pay actual pennies compared to what it cost to eat out at any type of establishment in Europe or Asia. That’s why restaurants survive outside of the US while being able to pay their servers a living wage. They charge a reasonable and fair market value for their food and drinks. Much much more compared to what restaurants charge in America. I run a resort with 11 eating establishments, including 5 restaurants. Our guests do not pay tips for their meals or for drinks. But we also charge a reasonable amount so we can pay our employees a living wage. If American paid universally fair prices for food, they’d want the tipping system back.

    GettingCereal
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in Europe and have been to several Asian countries and the US. What you said about food prices is in no way my experience. Asia is mostly cheaper by far, Japan was roughly on par with Western Europe (outside of Tokyo maybe), but you could get crazy good lunch deals that you rarely get in Europe, and the US was more expensive and then came a 20/25% tip.

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    Beef Brisket
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For those saying the US is the only country where tipping is expected, that's absolute nonsense. Other countries where tipping is part of the culture include Canada, Australia, Mexico, the UK, Russia, Spain, Italy, Maylasia, Germany, Kenya, Nigeria, France, Brazil, Thailand, Egypt, Argentina, Turkey, India, the UAE, and the list goes on and on and on. In fact, some 40% of the world's population, well over 3 BILLION, live in a country where tipping is customary. I mean, I recognize US-bashing is a popular pastime these days, but can you at least bash for something that's actually true instead of just making up falsehoods? Do y'all not ever do some research before posting misinformation? It's gobsmacking.

    Rick Murray
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tipping is not *expected* in France. It's nice to be nice and people often leave a tip if they were treated nicely, but note that there's already a mandatory service charge (something like 6.5% if I remember correctly) added to the bill *and* employees make at least the statutory minimum, so tipping is a kindness and not an obligation or expectation. So, maybe *you* ought to do some research, eh?

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    Rick Murray
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    " In many places, servers have to rely on tips if they want to earn a living " - citation needed. As far as I'm aware there's only the one first world country where is is acceptable to pay servers peanuts.

    Beef Brisket
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then I guess you've never traveled to Canada, Australia, Mexico, the UK, Russia, Spain, Italy, Maylasia, Germany, Kenya, Nigeria, France, Brazil, Thailand, Egypt, Argentina, Turkey, India, the UAE and all the other countries where over three billion of the world's population lives and tipping is customary.

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    Awkward lady
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What business was it of hers what you drank? You're a customer, you want a drink, end of. Silly system.

    Tom Brincefield
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A Sprite costs a few dollars, even at a bar. The booze added up to $300. Even a dollar tip for the soft drink would have been nothing compared to a 15% tip on the booze. So she didn't bother, because better service to the alcohol drinkers would result in more money. No moral issue, just greed.

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    Robin Roper
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sprite guy - no tip. Others who got good service - tip on the lower side and tell the waitress the tip would have been larger had she treated their friend as real customer. My husband does not drink alcohol and when we go out, he tips well for the refills of ice tea or soda.

    Julie S
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the YTA people said "She's paying tax on a tip she didn't get". How does that work?

    LookASquirrel
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The business has to claim around 15% of sales in tips distributed among the workers (depends on the state). I was a bar manager and received tips so I tried to claim 100% of mine so younger people could claim less. It depends on where you work and if they pool tips. So if you tip me $20 and only tip Joe $1 we still spit that 21 bucks and it's up to us how we claim tips to the IRS. If you don't claim all your tips You have no income to show to buy a house or car. Buying my first car taught me that and i told it to everyone I worked with.

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    Barbara Deskins
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in most places, the waitress tips out based on sales. So, she had to tip out to other support staff even though she did not get tipped. Usually 3%...so it cost her $9 to wait o this table. NOT fair to her at all

    Russell Rieckenberg
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't know why poster made a point several times of the medical reason for not drinking alcohol. Does it matter why he doesn't want alcohol?

    Deborah B
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    The waitress was wrong for not giving the one guy decent service (presumably because she thought he was cheap and wouldn't tip). If one person in a group is non-drinking, they're usually the DD. But the friends were also in the wrong. They should have tipped 10%, because the service they got was decent, and she was doing the work of running separate checks for each of them. A note "It would have been 20%/25% if you'd bought that sprite." Would have been just as effective as a defence of their friend, without breaking the social contract.

    KatSaidWhat
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The friends saw what she was doing and tipped accordingly.

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    PenguinEmp
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    8 months ago (edited)

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    Wtf is wrong with you. She still provided you and your party with service. You all stiffed her because of one drink? C'mon. It happens and it's annoying but you leave a tip. Maybe just less of the one you would give but give a tip. Was she rude? Did you get your food? Did you get everything you wanted other than the sprite? Then tip

    Baba Caine
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    LMAO all these Americans complaining they shud of tipped, but none fore there country yo make waiting staff a livable working wage, and who waits 50 mins before getting off arsè and walking the 10 yards to a bar to buu a drink ? The American system is to blame here noone else

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    Yes it was bad service but I don't think it was discrimination or deliberate. Sounds like she kept thinking she would remember and then didn't. That's bad practice, but I've waited a lot and there's no reason not to bring a Sprite. Someone who seems like DD takes A LOT of pressure off the staff because you worry less about overserving , there's someone to take the drinks home at the end of the night so they act as a calming force, and they keep people there longer because their ride is assured. DD's are a waiter's friend. I think this person just overestimated their abilities on the day or was confused about who should take care of it. A lot of places the non alcoholic drinks are the waitstaff responsibility, but I'd they are in with an order of alcohol, the bartender sets it up, but other places it's always on the waitstaff, maybe signals got crossed. Maybe don't tip generously, but not to tip in a place where it is expected is douchey and could really harm that person's take home

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think "she kept thinking she would remember and then didn't", how do you explain the time that she started talking to someone else immediately after OP reminded her that she hadn't yet brought OP their repeatedly-requested drink order?

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    FreeTheUnicorn
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    Not tipping when it's expected is exploitative. You've insured she's worked for less than minimum wage. She still has to tip back the kitchen, mature d, and bar staff even if she doesn't get a tip. It will come out of her bottom line, so you've changed her evening from working for hopefully better than minimum wage, but with the precariousness of never knowing how much to expect, to sweatshop labor wages. Yes tipping culture is bad and overall exploitative, but this isn't how to change it. She forgot a sprite. I forgot to cc a person into an email last night, but I don't lose my hourly. I can still pay my bills as expected. Don't take out frustration with a bad system on the people most likely to be actively harmed by the system

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    8 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe she should have gotten the Sprite, which OP asked for, and actually done her job - then I would have some sympathy about the no tip thing. If she truly started talking to another person (employee?) at one point instead of getting OP's requested drink, then she is 100% not doing her job. She didn't "forget" the Sprite unless she has short-term memory loss, as OP apparently requested it a number of times. Also, the waitress "remembered" to bring the bill to OP for the Sprite at the end of the night - she CLEARLY did not "forget" the Sprite. She simply, for whatever reason, did not want to bring it to OP. Walking off and speaking to another person isn't "oops I forgot", it's deliberate. She could have walked directly back to the bar to get the Sprite.

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    Pyla
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    Your friends should have tipped.

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