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Dungeon Master Puzzled When New Vegan Player Starts Prodding For A “Cruelty-Free” World, Asks For Help Online
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Dungeon Master Puzzled When New Vegan Player Starts Prodding For A “Cruelty-Free” World, Asks For Help Online

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Whenever you hear of the iconic table-top role-playing game Dungeons and Dragons, you probably think of things like knights in shining armor or wizards atop towers shooting lightning from the skies, all set in medieval times.

But, you know what, it can be even weirder if you really want it to be: you can role-play a turtle-person who knows karate and moves like lightning because, get it? Turtles aren’t all that fast, yet… I’ll stop here.

Well, it only gets weirder from here (and the sky’s the limit) because Dungeons and Dragons allows for a lot of unorthodox decisions (all the more reason to give it a go, honestly) including things like vegan-friendly, cruelty-free campaigns because a player of yours is vegan and they asked, because, well, of course!

More Info: Original Post | Follow-Up

When you enter the world of Dungeons and Dragons, you’re not really sure what you’re gonna get because the sky’s the limit when it comes to fantasy

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Well, asking for a cruelty-free vegan-friendly world is also not the limit, and this one dungeon master (DM) recently asked the internet for help on it

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The story goes that a new vegan player joined the table, and soon started asking the DM to alter the game world to be more ethical regarding animal treatment

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It wasn’t all that simple, mostly because that’s not within the traditional spirit of medieval fantasy games, but also because it would mean less engaging roleplay

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The story goes that Redditor u/EmotionalMacaroon169 (who later became SirMeatalot, and you’ll get why in a minute) turned to the r/DnD community for some perspective on a situation he found himself in.

You see, a new player joined the adventurer ranks, but it didn’t take long for an ethical problem to arise: the player is vegan, and the way animals and other worldly creatures are treated in most Dungeons and Dragons campaigns is something that doesn’t necessarily adhere to today’s standards for animal rights.

Following one particular pig scene, the vegan player approached the dungeon master (DM) about how it’s making her uncomfortable and how it ought to be changed—after all, the DM’s in full charge of it all, they can do it.

Heh, if only it was that simple. OP argued that food-related roleplay was kinda key in the overall setting, and the group also included one player who was a chef and enjoyed all the food talk. This is besides all of the minor or major changes that would have to happen in the world’s fauna, how different societies and cultures view it, and figuring out where to draw the line. He didn’t want to exclude the vegan player, but he also had no idea how or even if he wanted to change things.

The internet, however, was all in favor of having the DM sit everyone down for session zero and talk it over because that’s the civil thing to do—nobody wanted to boot anyone from the game, after all

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At this point, OP was stumped about the whole situation, and so he wanted some input from the people of Reddit. Incidentally, there was an attempt to hide it all from his players, but, this is the internet, and of course the most popular D&D subreddit will be the place where his players might also lurk. He got found very quickly and had a laugh about it in the follow-up post.

Speaking of which, it didn’t take long for OP to heed everyone’s advice and to simply sit down for another session zero—a session where everyone discusses the player characters, the setting and just coordinates things so that everyone can enjoy the game—and it turned out surprisingly well.

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Many from the subreddit suggested simply talking it over, and that they did. It soon became clear how meat-based food roleplay can easily be turned into cruelty-free food talk, which is even more rewarding when the foodie at the table also gets to learn new recipes. Because learning is awesome.

But besides that, the DM found out where the line was drawn with specific examples that the vegan player provided, and even jokingly asked what her stance on cannibalism was, to which she replied “only if it’s consensual.” You can guess what sort of contingent of jokes followed.

A session zero actually happened—in fact, it went extremely well, during which everyone worked together to make cruelty-free work as much as it can with the least amount of compromise

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The session went so well that the team was soon joking about it, inquiring about things like cannibalism, to which the vegan player wittily responded “only if it’s consensual”

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Many people came back to the follow-up to highlight the importance of talking and being transparent when it comes to issues arising from the setting, the group dynamic, the DM and everything else. This is actually very applicable outside of Dungeons and Dragons too.

Sure, some did argue that it felt like a “please don’t curse” kind of situation that pushed the boundaries of political correctness, but both parties ended up handling the situation quite well, with all due respect and willing to compromise because it is what it is.

Both the original and the follow-up posts on Reddit were also followed by updates providing more context to the situation

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The two posts collectively garnered 18,000 upvotes, spawning quite a bit of discussion in the form of nearly 6,000 comments. You can check out the original post and the followup here and here respectively. But before you do that, be sure to roll a D20 performance check to see what kind of opinions and stories you can share about anything that you just read in the comment section below!

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nikkisevven avatar
Nikki Sevven
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When did it become normal to demand that everyone around you accommodate your life choices? Sorry, but the "you can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet" way of thinking is ridiculous. This is no different from religious people demanding that everyone follow their particular religion.

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that weird wallflower
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True, but they worked it out well, and handled it like adults, which I think is good. Plus, the vegan player apologized, and said they overreacted.

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Phoenix the Frog
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Dnd who is vegetarian this person is out of control. I am fine with the players eating meat since its not real

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sylvantic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right?!? I’m a vegetarian and a D&D player. I would never expect my DM to get rid of a totally normal thing for the sake of my strange and delicate sensibilities! I’m glad they handled it like adults, but you do wonder how the vegan handles things like other people eating meat. And not wanting meat is very different from having trauma due to nearly drowning. Glad they handled it, but the vegan sounds very irritating. I wouldn’t want to play with her!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love that they managed to find a compromise that works for everybody! I'm not vegan, but it seems to me that the place this particular player is coming from is one where it's the gore and abuse of animals that is triggering her. As OP pointed out, they have already had talks about how to avoid other players' triggers in-game, so while I was initially skeptical, I think it WAS reasonable to make these compromises (and the vegan also agrees she overreacted to begin with). It sounds like this is a really great group with high emotional intelligence, and I'm glad to hear how well it worked out! I love it when everybody is reasonable and kind and finds a compromise they can all enjoy.

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Brocken Blue
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! It’s shockingly nice to hear about people resolving things thoughtfully as a group. It’s so rare in real life

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Nikki Sevven
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When did it become normal to demand that everyone around you accommodate your life choices? Sorry, but the "you can't have a cookie because I'm on a diet" way of thinking is ridiculous. This is no different from religious people demanding that everyone follow their particular religion.

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that weird wallflower
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True, but they worked it out well, and handled it like adults, which I think is good. Plus, the vegan player apologized, and said they overreacted.

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Phoenix the Frog
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Dnd who is vegetarian this person is out of control. I am fine with the players eating meat since its not real

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sylvantic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Right?!? I’m a vegetarian and a D&D player. I would never expect my DM to get rid of a totally normal thing for the sake of my strange and delicate sensibilities! I’m glad they handled it like adults, but you do wonder how the vegan handles things like other people eating meat. And not wanting meat is very different from having trauma due to nearly drowning. Glad they handled it, but the vegan sounds very irritating. I wouldn’t want to play with her!

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Ash
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love that they managed to find a compromise that works for everybody! I'm not vegan, but it seems to me that the place this particular player is coming from is one where it's the gore and abuse of animals that is triggering her. As OP pointed out, they have already had talks about how to avoid other players' triggers in-game, so while I was initially skeptical, I think it WAS reasonable to make these compromises (and the vegan also agrees she overreacted to begin with). It sounds like this is a really great group with high emotional intelligence, and I'm glad to hear how well it worked out! I love it when everybody is reasonable and kind and finds a compromise they can all enjoy.

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Brocken Blue
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes! It’s shockingly nice to hear about people resolving things thoughtfully as a group. It’s so rare in real life

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