Man Won’t Donate Part Of His Saved 120 PTO Hours To A Coworker, Higher-Ups Get Dramatic Over This
Where is the fine line between voluntary and coercive, especially when it comes to all kinds of corporate programs? In an ideal world, every employee is free to decide what to do with their accumulated bonuses. In reality, as is often the case, things are quite different.
Our story today, first told by the user u/Traditional-Dog1601, actually tells the story of how classic corporate traditions clashed with one person’s sense of ownership in one particular case. So, let’s read on together to see what came of it.
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Sometimes, even the best corporate practice turns bad if people start twisting it, making great voluntary things mandatory
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The author of the post has been working in one company for six years and accumulated over 120 PTO hours, which he plans to spend on a vacation one day
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There’s a corporate practice of donating PTO hours to other coworkers, and the staff is collecting time for one lady for her not-so-urgent surgery
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The author, however, refused to donate any of his hours, especially since he’s not this close to that lady, and he became a true scapegoat for the whole staff
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Even the author’s boss once cornered him and demanded he donate some hours, but it actually became a matter of principle for the man
So, the Original Poster (OP) says he’s 32 years old, and for the past six years, he’s worked at a company that has a corporate policy of saving PTO hours, which can then be used not only for the staff themselves but also donated to someone else. For a very urgent case, for example.
By the way, employees are currently donating hours for one of their colleagues, “Jennifer,” who’s about to undergo an elective surgery that’s not covered under FMLA. Our hero has already accumulated about 120 hours and plans to spend them on a trip someday. So, when one of his colleagues asked him how many hours he planned to donate to Jennifer, the OP honestly admitted he had no intention of doing so at all.
The author says he’s not particularly close to Jennifer. At most, they just say hello when they see each other at work. So, our hero decided it would be fair not to donate anything, especially since, according to corporate rules, he has the right to do so. But, as it turns out, other employees didn’t see it that way, so now the author is getting a side-eye from his colleagues.
Then, our hero’s immediate boss recently cornered him and declared that it was “bad” to do so, and that they all expected the author to donate some of his hours – say, a third of his accumulated bonus time. The author’s girlfriend offered to donate a symbolic five hours, but the guy believes it’s a matter of principle now, and doesn’t want to succumb to pressure. So the man decided to take this online, seeking support.
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The practice of donating PTO hours to colleagues is, in fact, quite common. For example, this dedicated article on the Shiftbase blog states there are three basic models: a leave-bank, where the PTO hours are “donated” to a common pool managed by HR, direct employee-to-employee sharing, and a charitable donation, where the cash value goes to an approved charity.
Apparently, in the story we described, either the first or the second model is in play. According to many experts, this is an excellent practice that not only lets employees accrue PTO hours in the event of urgent issues but is also intended to improve team spirit.
“Leave-sharing programs are an excellent way for employees to genuinely help their fellow co-workers while fostering camaraderie among those facing family emergencies or disasters,” the SHRM website says reasonably. Well, one cannot argue with this, but reality sometimes gets twisted by people.
At the same time, when any voluntary practice becomes mandatory, it certainly doesn’t foster camaraderie within the team, ain’t it? Many commenters on the original post also noted this, arguing that the OP was within his rights in refusing to donate, and that if the company really wanted to help the employee, it could provide her with some hours on its own behalf.
For now, in this particular situation, many responders do believe that this all looks like an attempt by higher-ups to solve the problem at the expense of staff. And it even looks like a kind of “witch hunt.” So what do you, our dear readers, think about this story? Please feel free to share your words in the comments below.
Most commenters supported the author, claiming that he was within his rights not donate his PTO hours
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What a gross policy. If the employer truly feels so strongly about Jennifer getting PTO, they should just give it to her. Or Jennifer could, y'know, just cop it on the chin and take it unpaid like the rest of us do. (Admittedly, the 'rest of us' who are fortunate enough to be able to do so without losing their jobs in the process.)
Once again, so glad I don't live in America. This gives me serious ick.
Tell Amy to give up more of her PTO to make up for you. Tell her she's the selfish one if she refuses.
Why the heck does't the company have a 'reasonable' sickness absence policy? The idea of 'personal days' is fine if you have holidays as well. The rest of the world has annual leave AND sick leave - which are usually totally separate things.
Because America isn't a country, it's a business, the people don't matter, only the almighty Dollar does.
Load More Replies...This is BS on the company's part. They're *your* employees, *you* should take cae of them. And not having an anonymous way to donate PTO or not donate? That's asking for trouble. Hope OP got another job. Those people are toxic.
But even if the boss donated more than everyone else combined, that's not the point. That sounds like a trainwreck of a company, and I'd try to find another gig as soon as possible.
Load More Replies...Elective surgery doesn't mean it isn't necessary. It just means it isn't an emergency.
Load More Replies...What a strange country the USA is! It's like nobody has any rights at all except (mostly) rich white men!
She is electing to have surgery; he is electing to not give his earned PTO.
Elective surgery doesn't mean it isn't necessary. It just means it isn't an emergency.
Load More Replies...Shamed for not donating his own pto? Come on. Person can do what they wish. Perhaps they have a personal issue and need the pto later in the year.
When I started at my current organization, there was an unofficial policy that you could donate your sick leave to others. The person wasn't allowed to ask outright, but you could go up to your supervisor and offer. That got shut down hard and fast when the higher ups realized that doing so was illegal.
I absolutely don't think anyone should donate their PTO, but I fail to see what it being elective surgery has to do with it. Unless it's literally cosmetic surgery, elective surgery is usually something you have to do. The name is misleading. It's not something you'd put off for a year or until you built up PTO. This could be surgery for: hernia, Atrial ablation, surgery for endometriosis, cataract removal, ANY NON-EMERGENCY SURGERY IS ELECTIVE.
Too bad she wasted her own PTO, and is now begging from other employees for a surgery she doesn't even need! Let her put up a Go Fund Me and see how much sympathy she gets
They had this at the last job I worked. Never heard of it before - thought it was insane! No, you shouldn't feel obligated to give away PTO that YOU earned! No, NO one should try to pressure you to donate it to another, be it boss or coworker. And YES, this is some corporate BS to cover up the fact that companies not only no longer value employees, but try to find new and creative ways to cover up that fact.
Several years ago I was working a job at a very low hourly wage (was during a time when I was basically couch-surfing and trying to get back on my feet). Somebody who'd been there for years had developed stage 4 cancer, and they were taking donations. I was asked to donate, and was told that the typical donation was $50. I said I could barely get by on the little income that I had, and couldn't afford it. One of the managers ended up donating "on my behalf", as they apparently thought it would look bad if anyone didn't pony up the cash. Of course I felt bad for the woman, but I didn't know her, and I couldn't really spare the money.
What a gross policy. If the employer truly feels so strongly about Jennifer getting PTO, they should just give it to her. Or Jennifer could, y'know, just cop it on the chin and take it unpaid like the rest of us do. (Admittedly, the 'rest of us' who are fortunate enough to be able to do so without losing their jobs in the process.)
Once again, so glad I don't live in America. This gives me serious ick.
Tell Amy to give up more of her PTO to make up for you. Tell her she's the selfish one if she refuses.
Why the heck does't the company have a 'reasonable' sickness absence policy? The idea of 'personal days' is fine if you have holidays as well. The rest of the world has annual leave AND sick leave - which are usually totally separate things.
Because America isn't a country, it's a business, the people don't matter, only the almighty Dollar does.
Load More Replies...This is BS on the company's part. They're *your* employees, *you* should take cae of them. And not having an anonymous way to donate PTO or not donate? That's asking for trouble. Hope OP got another job. Those people are toxic.
But even if the boss donated more than everyone else combined, that's not the point. That sounds like a trainwreck of a company, and I'd try to find another gig as soon as possible.
Load More Replies...Elective surgery doesn't mean it isn't necessary. It just means it isn't an emergency.
Load More Replies...What a strange country the USA is! It's like nobody has any rights at all except (mostly) rich white men!
She is electing to have surgery; he is electing to not give his earned PTO.
Elective surgery doesn't mean it isn't necessary. It just means it isn't an emergency.
Load More Replies...Shamed for not donating his own pto? Come on. Person can do what they wish. Perhaps they have a personal issue and need the pto later in the year.
When I started at my current organization, there was an unofficial policy that you could donate your sick leave to others. The person wasn't allowed to ask outright, but you could go up to your supervisor and offer. That got shut down hard and fast when the higher ups realized that doing so was illegal.
I absolutely don't think anyone should donate their PTO, but I fail to see what it being elective surgery has to do with it. Unless it's literally cosmetic surgery, elective surgery is usually something you have to do. The name is misleading. It's not something you'd put off for a year or until you built up PTO. This could be surgery for: hernia, Atrial ablation, surgery for endometriosis, cataract removal, ANY NON-EMERGENCY SURGERY IS ELECTIVE.
Too bad she wasted her own PTO, and is now begging from other employees for a surgery she doesn't even need! Let her put up a Go Fund Me and see how much sympathy she gets
They had this at the last job I worked. Never heard of it before - thought it was insane! No, you shouldn't feel obligated to give away PTO that YOU earned! No, NO one should try to pressure you to donate it to another, be it boss or coworker. And YES, this is some corporate BS to cover up the fact that companies not only no longer value employees, but try to find new and creative ways to cover up that fact.
Several years ago I was working a job at a very low hourly wage (was during a time when I was basically couch-surfing and trying to get back on my feet). Somebody who'd been there for years had developed stage 4 cancer, and they were taking donations. I was asked to donate, and was told that the typical donation was $50. I said I could barely get by on the little income that I had, and couldn't afford it. One of the managers ended up donating "on my behalf", as they apparently thought it would look bad if anyone didn't pony up the cash. Of course I felt bad for the woman, but I didn't know her, and I couldn't really spare the money.





















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