Man Snaps At A Mom On A Plane After She Fails To Discipline Her Kids During The Flight, Wonders If He Went Too Far
Hopping on an airplane always requires a little preparation. But for parents traveling with a couple of restless souls on board, it’s a whole different story. Unpredictable schedules, fears, boredom, and cranky moods are just a few challenges moms and dads face when flying. Not to mention the stares of disapproval from fellow passengers that follow them as they make their way down the crowded aisle.
Controlling the little ones in a confined space is not for the faint of heart, and you can’t blame the parents who try their best. But let’s face it: no one likes to sit near a screaming child or have their seat kicked perpetually for hours on end. Something that this traveler knows from personal experience.
As the now-deleted user detailed in a recent story on the AITA subreddit, a family of four was seated behind him as they returned to New York. “The plane takes off and the boys start yelling about how this is [the] best day ever, and generally making a lot of noise,” the man recounted. At first, he was able to tune them out — until their son just couldn’t seem to stop messing with his seat, and he finally snapped.
Scroll down below to read how the incident unfolded, be sure to weigh in on the discussion in the comments, and keep reading for our interview with psychologist Lawrence Cohen, Ph.D., for some tips on how to make traveling with kids a breeze.
After a child kept messing with his seat on an hours-long flight, this passenger finally “lost it”
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Now the man is wondering whether he went too far, so he turned to the internet for advice
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After reading the story, the majority of people firmly sided with the user. And it’s hardly surprising why, as kicking the back of someone else’s seat is the most annoying thing a fellow passenger can do. A recent survey by The Vacationer polled over 1,000 American adult travelers and found that 59% of respondents said seat kickers are the most irritating people on board. Additionally, inattentive parents took fourth place, as nearly half reported they find poor parenting on flights unpleasant.
Flying is just as big of a challenge for kids as it is for their parents and the people around them, and policing the little ones is sometimes a daunting task to accomplish. But as Lawrence Cohen, Ph.D., a psychologist and author of Playful Parenting and The Opposite of Worry explained, there are many ways moms and dads can ensure airplane travel with children would be smooth sailing.
One reliable method is to familiarize kids with the experience through play. “Help prepare children for what to expect by playing airplane — a lot. Make sure the play is fun, not a drill!” Cohen told Bored Panda. “But introduce characters such as a person in the seat in front who is a bit cranky. Exaggerations get the laughs, and laughs bring in the learning.”
According to Cohen, some of the most common trouble spots for children when flying are popping ears, tense passengers, restricted motion, noise restrictions, loudness of the plane, and the excitement of the travel and the trip. “Why is excitement a trouble spot?” he asked. “Because any intense emotion can be overwhelming for the young nervous system. Anticipate which of these might be especially difficult for your child, and play it out, and talk about it in advance.”
The fear of children running amok on board can unfortunately even discourage parents from air traveling at all. But psychologist Cohen pointed out that flying doesn’t have to be all doom and gloom. “I would hate to see families miss out on the fun, family, and educational value of travel just because of a possible mismatch between kid-energy and adult passenger-energy. The things children do that bother adults are mostly normal — but they are aggravating.”
Cohen admitted that the one behavior that really gets him is a child kicking his seat. But if your little one is notorious for this kind of shenanigan, he noted it would be a great storyline to introduce into your airplane games.
Later on, he added an update to clarify some questions people asked in the comments
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While the internet is chock full of advice for how parents should calm down a restless child, co-passengers may be left wondering how to respond to these situations. Should they speak up? Address the child? Get flight attendants involved, especially if parents make no attempt to discipline their kids?
In these situations, it’s important to consider that moms and dads know their children much better than random travelers. “Attempts to restrain or interfere may well make things much worse, while benign neglect may make things better faster,” Cohen explained. “It could also be that the parent feels helpless and embarrassed, and that leads to a freeze response. The best way out of a freeze response, naturally enough, is warmth! So if fellow passengers are understanding and empathic, then parents will rally faster and feel less helpless.”
Cohen advised that it may be beneficial to speak directly to the child, not the parent, but only if you can do it in a warm or neutral tone of voice. “Harshness, anger, crankiness, sarcasm — we are all very used to these forms of communication, especially nowadays. But young children are easily overwhelmed by this level of emotion coming at them from a large person.”
Jarring words directed towards the child can make them shut up, “which may seem like a success, but it isn’t. More often, it leads to an increase in troubling behavior, because children are only obnoxious when they are emotionally overloaded or are not getting their needs met.”
To handle your inner frustrations, Cohen offered his favorite plane trick — “pat the baby” — he uses everywhere he goes. “I stole the idea from the neuroscientist Louis Cozolino. Pretend you have a fussy little baby on your shoulder, and you are giving them gentle pats on the back, like burping a baby.”
“Let your breathing slow,” he continued. “Let love and that warm feeling of attachment flow out of you. I do it when a baby on the plane is crying, or when my own grandchild is upset. It seems to spread calmness — at least through myself! — but also throughout my section of the plane.”
Most importantly, don’t forget to have empathy for the stressed-out parent. “A dirty look — or a scolding screaming fit — has never helped a parent do better. Never ever. A warm smile, an ‘I’ve been there’ expression, or a ‘You’ve got your hands full’ bit of compassion is the way to go,” Cohen concluded.
The vast majority of readers were firmly on the side of the passenger, here’s what they had to say
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I had the same thing on an Eighteen hour flight. I lasted two hours with the kid behid me screaming like the little hellwretch that she was, throwing a massive tantrum and kicking my seat. I have very good noise cancelling headphones, and had death metal blasting at full volume. I could still hear her. I asked the parents but they ignored me. they didn't do anything and just watched the show. Eventually I turned around and yelled at them to "silence your hellspawn before I stab you with this" while brandishing a spork at them through the seat gap. Kid went quiet. Stopped kicking. I understand their plight.
Well, perhaps delete the threat of stabbing with anything in the future. People can and will take things seriously and may get you in hot water.
Load More Replies...yesterday I was on the train, also 8 months pregnant, uncomfortable, in pain and could not sleep all night. next to me there was a mum with 3 children, and one child who was around 6 year old, was kicking the train seats for no reason. I felt so horrific that the kicking into the seats felt like kicking into my face. I went told her to be more quiet (stop kicking the seats). I got the death stares from her. but honestly, if it would be the crying baby I understand, but 6 year old should learn some boundaries. I am not going and screaming around the train myself, I was very quiet. even if the child would be autistic or something like that, they could give them the fidget toy and other autistic children or sensitive passengers would get triggered by the kicking noises. so I am 100% with this man here, mum should teach some boundaries, her children should understand to respect others around them.
NTA. Yelling at someone who just lets their kid kick/bash someone else’s seat is perfectly ok. That can *really* hurt. (Thank you small kid on the early train out of Paddington who kept rabbit kicking my seat. Today I have to take my strong painkillers)
I feel his pain. This past summer I took my teen daughter to Egypt for her first time to visit our relatives (I am full Egyptian heritage but raised in California.) The connecting flight from Munich to Cairo was 90% Egyptians on board. The adults were just as unruly as the kids! The flight attendant was pushing the refreshment cart down the aisle, this one man finishes his Cola, asks her for a refill two times - let her finish serving others for godssakes! Then she gets berated by at least 3 people because the free snack (a halal/kosher sandwich) tasted terrible… as though the flight attendant personally picked this snack to feed us. Another woman from the front of coach approaches her and complains her kids being able to smell the hot food in first class and “how unfair it is for her kids.” People getting up and out of their seats to mess with their bags in the overhead when the fasten seat belt sign was on. Even the pilot had to get on the intercom to tell everyone to sit down.
In conclusion, my daughter and I were mortified with second-hand embarrassment and I personally apologized to the flight attendant for the behavior of the other passengers. It was as though none of them had ever flown in their life.
Load More Replies...NTA. The obligation is on the parent to keep their brats entertained and stop them bothering people.
NTA, Indian here. Never heard about this stereotype though. Now I know why people on flights always look at me weirdly or move to another seat when I'm traveling alone. I thought they just didn't want to be seated next to a teenager.
Oh I much rather sit next to a teen than a bratty little kid or the mom.Teen's are quiet and private!
Load More Replies...On a very long, transcontinental flight, I had one of those nasty little seat kickers behind me. After multiple entreaties to mom and child, I finally snapped. I told the brat next time he kicks my seat, I'm going to stuff him in the overhead bin. The End
Applause! I like your response! Ha! Overhead bin...Hahaha!
Load More Replies...One Sunday in church about twenty years ago, I sat in the same row as a young father with two small children. The father was sitting in the lotus position on the pew with his eyes closed, while the children had discovered that raising the kneeling benches and slamming them down on the hardwood floor made a sharp, loud cracking sound that was almost like a gunshot. I saw people cringing each time the kids did this. Dad just sat there with his eyes closed. Finally, I sidled over, put my foot down on the bench, and gave the kids my most intense "teacher glare." People nearby turned around and mouthed "thank you" at me. Later, at coffee hour, the father came up to me angrily and said that I had scared his children. I said that they had been bothering people, and if I was the scariest thing they'd ever seen, they were too sheltered. He insisted that they were just being high-spirited and having fun, and he wanted his children to have fun in church. We never saw them again.
NTA - You were in the right, don’t feel bad - Been there before! Flight from Hawaii to Dallas. I politely asked the young boy to stop kicking the seat, he stuck his tongue out at me. He stopped for a bit then started up again kicking harder then before. I again nicely asked him to stop however this time his mom said don’t speak to my son. So I asked her to please tell him to stop, she didn’t. I finally had to ask the flight attendant for help …. Thankfully, She moved me to a different seat!
I had the same thing on an Eighteen hour flight. I lasted two hours with the kid behid me screaming like the little hellwretch that she was, throwing a massive tantrum and kicking my seat. I have very good noise cancelling headphones, and had death metal blasting at full volume. I could still hear her. I asked the parents but they ignored me. they didn't do anything and just watched the show. Eventually I turned around and yelled at them to "silence your hellspawn before I stab you with this" while brandishing a spork at them through the seat gap. Kid went quiet. Stopped kicking. I understand their plight.
Well, perhaps delete the threat of stabbing with anything in the future. People can and will take things seriously and may get you in hot water.
Load More Replies...yesterday I was on the train, also 8 months pregnant, uncomfortable, in pain and could not sleep all night. next to me there was a mum with 3 children, and one child who was around 6 year old, was kicking the train seats for no reason. I felt so horrific that the kicking into the seats felt like kicking into my face. I went told her to be more quiet (stop kicking the seats). I got the death stares from her. but honestly, if it would be the crying baby I understand, but 6 year old should learn some boundaries. I am not going and screaming around the train myself, I was very quiet. even if the child would be autistic or something like that, they could give them the fidget toy and other autistic children or sensitive passengers would get triggered by the kicking noises. so I am 100% with this man here, mum should teach some boundaries, her children should understand to respect others around them.
NTA. Yelling at someone who just lets their kid kick/bash someone else’s seat is perfectly ok. That can *really* hurt. (Thank you small kid on the early train out of Paddington who kept rabbit kicking my seat. Today I have to take my strong painkillers)
I feel his pain. This past summer I took my teen daughter to Egypt for her first time to visit our relatives (I am full Egyptian heritage but raised in California.) The connecting flight from Munich to Cairo was 90% Egyptians on board. The adults were just as unruly as the kids! The flight attendant was pushing the refreshment cart down the aisle, this one man finishes his Cola, asks her for a refill two times - let her finish serving others for godssakes! Then she gets berated by at least 3 people because the free snack (a halal/kosher sandwich) tasted terrible… as though the flight attendant personally picked this snack to feed us. Another woman from the front of coach approaches her and complains her kids being able to smell the hot food in first class and “how unfair it is for her kids.” People getting up and out of their seats to mess with their bags in the overhead when the fasten seat belt sign was on. Even the pilot had to get on the intercom to tell everyone to sit down.
In conclusion, my daughter and I were mortified with second-hand embarrassment and I personally apologized to the flight attendant for the behavior of the other passengers. It was as though none of them had ever flown in their life.
Load More Replies...NTA. The obligation is on the parent to keep their brats entertained and stop them bothering people.
NTA, Indian here. Never heard about this stereotype though. Now I know why people on flights always look at me weirdly or move to another seat when I'm traveling alone. I thought they just didn't want to be seated next to a teenager.
Oh I much rather sit next to a teen than a bratty little kid or the mom.Teen's are quiet and private!
Load More Replies...On a very long, transcontinental flight, I had one of those nasty little seat kickers behind me. After multiple entreaties to mom and child, I finally snapped. I told the brat next time he kicks my seat, I'm going to stuff him in the overhead bin. The End
Applause! I like your response! Ha! Overhead bin...Hahaha!
Load More Replies...One Sunday in church about twenty years ago, I sat in the same row as a young father with two small children. The father was sitting in the lotus position on the pew with his eyes closed, while the children had discovered that raising the kneeling benches and slamming them down on the hardwood floor made a sharp, loud cracking sound that was almost like a gunshot. I saw people cringing each time the kids did this. Dad just sat there with his eyes closed. Finally, I sidled over, put my foot down on the bench, and gave the kids my most intense "teacher glare." People nearby turned around and mouthed "thank you" at me. Later, at coffee hour, the father came up to me angrily and said that I had scared his children. I said that they had been bothering people, and if I was the scariest thing they'd ever seen, they were too sheltered. He insisted that they were just being high-spirited and having fun, and he wanted his children to have fun in church. We never saw them again.
NTA - You were in the right, don’t feel bad - Been there before! Flight from Hawaii to Dallas. I politely asked the young boy to stop kicking the seat, he stuck his tongue out at me. He stopped for a bit then started up again kicking harder then before. I again nicely asked him to stop however this time his mom said don’t speak to my son. So I asked her to please tell him to stop, she didn’t. I finally had to ask the flight attendant for help …. Thankfully, She moved me to a different seat!
































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