Wife Is Furious After Husband Says He Only Wants To Adopt One Of Her Two Children, But The Internet Supports Him
While most people have the same physical needs—food, shelter, clothing, safety, stability—their emotional needs might differ. And though we all want (and need!) love, respect, and support, the specifics can vary a lot from individual to individual. The same applies to kids. Some might want a closer relationship with their parents; others might want a bit more space.
A redditor, who goes by the username u/adopterdaddd1652, wrote up a very powerful post on the AITA subreddit, asking for the community’s input about his family situation. The OP is a man who hopes to adopt one of his wife’s children—the younger daughter. However, he doesn’t want to do the same with the teenage son, and explained exactly why.
The internet reacted in a surprising way to the story. Scroll down to read the full post, in the dad’s own words. Be sure to share your thoughts and feelings on this in the comments, Pandas. Remember, adoption is a sensitive subject, so be kind.
Developing a relationship with someone who already has children can be rewarding yet challenging
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A man shared why he’d love to become the stepdad to his wife’s daughter, but would rather not adopt her teenage son
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The dad explained that he feels a genuine bond with his wife’s daughter. He was absolutely delighted when the eight-year-old asked him to adopt her. However, on the flip side, her fifteen-year-old son doesn’t see him as a potential stepfather, ‘merely’ his mom’s new husband.
“He’s never liked me and has no interest in bonding with me. He won’t come on one-on-one days out with me and never really has, will barely speak to me, doesn’t want me to come to his school sports, doesn’t want me to know about his life or his friends or his hobbies, etc. The few times I’ve managed to convince him to come somewhere with me out of necessity, he seemed like the unhappiest kid ever and so I’ve stopped forcing it now,” the OP writes.
The issue is that, according to the post author’s wife, he’d have to adopt both kids in the interest of ‘fairness.’ She doesn’t want her kids treated differently or someone being excluded, and doesn’t appear to fully understand his position. That’s why u/adopterdaddd1652 turned to the AITA community for their advice. And they’ve been delightfully supportive.
Some redditors had truly great pieces of advice. Someone suggested asking the teenager if he’d like to be adopted and telling him that he can always change his mind if he ends up saying ‘no.’ Someone else pointed out that treating kids fairly can mean meeting their very different needs. The road to happiness might be very different for them: the daughter may prefer adoption; the son might need space and independence.
Like in pretty much every area of life, open and honest communication is the best way forward. The first step to solving any complex family issue is to get everyone on the same page. Find out everyone’s goals and expectations, and look for some reasonable compromises. Being part of a family usually means that we don’t fully get what we want because we have to adapt to the wants and needs of our loved ones. So everyone has to have at least a bit of flexibility.
The cold harsh truth is that you can never force someone to love or respect you: that comes over time, naturally. If you put in genuine effort to connect with someone, consistently, but there’s no feedback, you simply move on with your life without holding a grudge. Friendships and relationships (whether familial, platonic, or romantic) are two-way streets. And one person can’t do all the heavy lifting and be expected to always set aside all of their needs.
According to the Australian parenting website ‘Raising Children,’ becoming a step-parent can give you the chance to play a central role in a child’s life and strengthen your relationship with your partner.
“To start with, your partner’s child might feel shy or even uncomfortable around you. That’s OK. It might take a while for you and your partner’s child to find ways to relate that feel right to both of you,” the website explains that patience is key. “At times, you might also have to deal with negative reactions from the child’s other parent. This could affect how your partner’s child feels and behaves towards you. Also, you and your partner might have different ideas about raising children, guiding children’s behavior, balancing work and family, and so on.”
Building a genuine relationship with your future step-children will take time and effort. The more time you spend together, the more you’re aware of their interests and ambitions, the better you’re positioned to give them a helping hand and support them as they grow and develop. Meanwhile, speak to your partner about their kids’ (dis)likes, hobbies, and character. Remember: you’re supposed to be a team. And don’t take it personally if the bonds you’d like to see don’t develop as quickly as you’d like. It’s a marathon, not a sprint. NPR stresses the fact that you must be patient because it can take a long time for your stepkids to see you as their parent.
While you’re taking care of your family and remembering to spend quality time with them, remember to keep your own needs in mind as well to avoid exhaustion and burnout. Be sure to eat healthy food, exercise, sleep well, take walks out in nature, and focus on your hobbies and passion projects when you can.
Some internet users had great pieces of advice for the man
Here’s what some other members of the AITA community told the author of the post
Asking the son makes sense, but not allowing new husband to adopt the daughter if the son says no is an asinine condition. It wasn't part of the deal when both the mom and new husband ALREADY SAID YES. That's just going to mess up the relationship between the 2 kids. Is the mom too embarrassed by the prospect of explaining the dynamic to her friends?
Also (although I'm not sure which country the OP is based in) if the son is now 15 he would legally be considered an adult in a few years time which would also be something to consider since that would also change the family dynamic
Load More Replies...The wife is the a*****e here using the young daughter to try and manipulate her husband into adopting both kids when the older one is clearly not interested. Sounds like it’s more about the wife’s fantasy vision of her perfect family than genuinely what’s best for them as a family
Honestly, I think this step-dad is doing the best he can. He obv loves his step-son and has put effort into his relationship with him, but is respecting the step-sons boundaries. I actually think it's more unfair to both children that they have to arrive at the same decision. If James said no, Becky would resent him, If James caved he would resent Becky. Forcing them to be the same is gonna create a rift between the kids and ultimately the family.
I've known quite a lot of teenagers who treat their parents this way. It's up to the parent to make it clear that they love the kid unconditionally and are always there for them. No matter how many times you get rejected, you offer, but you don't take it personally if the kid wants their space. My guess is that the son is very afraid of rejection. That said: the son is old enough to be part of this conversation. Let him chose what he wants to do.
When my grandmother remarried, her new husband adopted my mom (the youngest) and the middle sister, but not the oldest sister. Why? Well, he was a few years younger than my grandma. Specifically, he was 11 when my aunt was born, and it was the 50s, so... yeah. But when they sat the girls down to ask what they thought of adoption, apparently they all traded looks, then my mom said, "sure, we'll adopt you!"
I mean, let's be real. Teenagers are moody. I definitely was at that age. I didn't even want to spend time with my biological parents. I was way more interested in girls and video games. But part of that moodiness is also just wanting to be heard. He may get upset that he was asked. That's what teenagers do. He'll get over that. But not being asked is something he probably won't get over. It'll send the message that you don't care about his opinion and that's something he'll remember.
The wife seems manipulative as she has laid out the situation so that when James says no (99% likely), the husband is the bad guy. I find it telling that the wife was in on this with Becky from the get-go and excluded James from a subject that involves him. Then she unequivocally states that he cannot adopt Becky unless he adopts both kids, even if James wants no part. Because of her stance, anything short of a "yes" from James damages the family and the marriage. James will likely resent everyone, Becky will resent her mother and James, while the wife will resent the husband when it is revealed (as it should be) that her mom will stop her adoption. It won't end well, but I think a family meeting needs to be called where James is brought into the loop, and the husband should reveal the wife's conditions if she does not do so herself. She can't be allowed to deflect or gaslight. She needs to own the situation she caused.
Wife is an ah to both kids, girl will be crushed if the adoption doesn't happen
Two words: family therapy. There is so much to unpack here. A teen boy who is giving off all the signs of a kid who needs help but doesn't know how to ask, with behavior being woefully misinterpreted by a step dad who feels rejected. Mom doesn't have any insight and has imposed an arbitrary rule that isn't helping. A daughter whose wishes are being cast aside. Get help. Dig deeper. It's not too late for some effective solutions.
Kid is probably still hoping for bio dad to be a real dad. Otherwise, he is just being a normal teenage boy dealing with how to handle life. Best thing to do is to sit him down, tell him everything (without mom there) and ask outright if he does want to be adopted. Kid is worried that step dad is just doing it because mom wants it to happen. Just tell him you're willing but still want to support him in everything he does whether it happens or not.
There are legal implications to consider. If your wife died tomorrow who would get the children? Their biological father would legally have the right to swoop in and take them. Is that something you all want to happen? I feel badly for the son. It sounds like he really needs a good father figure.
I think 15-ish teens are actually asked directly in court if they want to be adopted by the step parent, I think it's the same with the splitting in divorce. Give him the option and adopt Becky regardless, since she grew from a very young age with OP as her father When my dad entered the picture, my half brother was also 9-10. Unsure how the legal agreement was worked out, but he had two father figures in his life, me and my sister came along, he lived with us as his bio dad lived kind of far away. He is now 30, lives closer (not with, but at least close enough to visit him more often) to his bio dad and his other set of younger half siblings, yet his relationship is still the same with my dad. Both families are friendly and we sometimes hang out all the kids together :) (30M - 20F - 17F - 16M - 13F. He is the oldest, 2&3 are me and my sis, 4&5 his other set of halfs). He was never a "dadless" kid, he technically had two dads and no pressure, he just wanted both in his life
Not asking the son would be an AH move. Teens are often sensitive about perceived rejection - even though he may have no desire to be adopted, he might still feel alienated and unwanted. This would worsen his relationship not only with OP, but with his bio family. His not wanting to spend time with you may not even reflect his deeper feelings - he's a teenager, spending any time with an adult one on one may be cringe-enducingly awkward for him. Approach him as a young man, with respect and acceptance, and make the offer - tell him there's no pressure, and either way he is a valued and loved member of your family, that he will always be your and your wife's son. If he turns you down, say you understand, and you respect his decision, and that the offer is always open. Then tell him that you still want to adopt step-daughter, and ask for his support. If he supports the adoption, hopefully wife will come around.
I definitely agree that the 15yo needs to be asked. I've met kids in similar situations through work and most of them just want to be asked and heard. If step-dad doesn't talk with the teenager about it he is sort of the AH because he's deciding out of his own feelings towards the kids and that can be really hurtful. I mean when they met the daughter was 3, that's young enough to form a closer bond compared to a 10yr old - obviously. So you got to look at that perspective. Shouldn't mean the teenager should automatically be excluded from even getting the question. But if he says no I see nothing wrong with adopting the 8yo. You can explain this to a 8yo in a way they will understand so it's not the daughter that would feel weird about it - it's moms issues in that case.
I’d say it’s the kids decision. If he’s so sure he’ll say no then just get it done with and respect the boundary he sets. you don’t lose anything by asking but this guy’s acting like he will.
NTA. Def. talk to him about it. That absolves you of the being unfair part. He might surprise you, and maybe not. Assure him you wont treat him any differently than you do now. If you force an adoption there are things he can and might do that can absolutely ruin your life. If he gets mad all he has to do assert to a mandatory reporter that you molested him. The truth does not matter one iota. As long as he sticks to his story they will 100% believe him and You, your wife and Becky will face the worst nightmare you can imagine! It could cost you everything!
OP, NTA. So far, no one has addressed the feelings of the step father here. It's like decisions are being made for him whether or not it's what he wants to do. The wife is holding an emotional threat to his head and heart with her "either/or" thereby driving a wedge in the entire matter. I suggest couples counseling BEFORE any further action, discussion, offering adoption is presented to the boy. The wife's fantasy of one big happy family is juvenile, and grossly unfair to the little girl who will not be able to understand the manipulation the mother is doing to FORCE compliance of the step dad. He needs to be clear that this choice is HIS, and not being bullied into it by his wife.
Don't ask if he wants it; offer to do it. This might help him see you are genuinely interested in being his dad, and might change his attitude. Also, it might take a while, but he might say no now, but yes later. But only if you tell him you would like to adopt him, not ask him if he wants it. And for goodness sakes, make sure he has no inkling your wife has made it a condition of your adopting your daughter. And BTW, WITA.
I think that only adopting one and not the other is selfish. Kids don’t always like their natural parents, let alone step-parents, but we can’t just step aside and decide not to claim them when they act like what is essentially, a normal teenager. I understand that it’s hard to deal with, but I believe by opting not to adopt him, you’ll create an irreparable rift between yourself and the child as well as between the two kids. Be a parent to both of them. To not adopt one even if you feel they don’t like you, is the ultimate insult and really looks like playing favorites at the highest level. If anything, your willingness to commit to him as his parent may strengthen the relationship and later produce the best possible outcome. Best of luck to you.
I always respected my parents because they always told me the truth, it doesn't mean they cared about my input because I was a kid. I think they need to sit together all 4, the dad needs to say the girl wants to be adopted and he'll do it. Then ask the boy if he wants that also and the mom needs to tell the girl why she'll not allow that to happen. She needs to be responsible for her decision because it's not the dads fault. She's trying to believe she has a family that she doesn't. My way or no way
trying to force your spouse to adopt your child ? and he isn't allowed when one says no ? this woman just destroyed her own marriage . not sure why she is doing it like this . but the only thoughts that come to mind is she is selfish and only cares about what she wants not the family . time to run my dude !
It wouldn't surprise me if the wife manipulated the daughter to ask OP to adopt her. As if she is planning this.
So she is using her daughter as currency to force a relationship onto her son that her son doesn't even want. What a horrible miserable cow. And double shame on her for ruining her daughters dreams of being adopted by the man who raised her because her brother feels differently... LADY YOU SUCK!
My husband adopted my oldest son as his deceased father oked it before he died. My other 2 their dad refused so we waited for them to become adults and they were then adopted and names changed. It should be individually. My husband and I went on to have 7 more children. All ten are siblings and feel that way.
YTA imho - if James would accept this, then OP should defo do this. I'm with the wife on this one. What he described is just a teenager being a teenager. Even bio dads have the same XP with their teenages sons sometimes. It shouldn't stop someone from having love in their heart.
Sorry, but I think your wife is being TA. I agree like most of the others who say you should ask him if he would like to be adopted. Who knows? Maybe it’s the one thing he’s been waiting for to feel like you’re really part of HIS family and he would change his whole feeling about you. Tell him Becky asked to be adopted and you would like to adopt him too. If he says no though, Becky should still be allowed to be adopted. The son is old enough to decide but Becky should not be punished if he decides no.
Hmm.. Mum is thinking of leaving dad, but wants child support... That's my take on it.
I know a woman who got a recently married husband to adopt both of her kids. When the adoption was final for a year, she divorced him, and got child support as well as alimony. Your wife being willing to sacrifice Becky’s happiness has me not trusting her.
He has known the son since he was 10! Its not like they just met. He should be willing to ask James to adopt him. He is thinking too much about his own feelings and not the real situation. As a family unit it should be all or none. It would feel like splitting up your children. 15 is still very young. Even if the kid doesn’t like him there are a lot of teens who don’t like their parents! So what?! Step up. The fact he so quickly said he didn’t want to says something to me. It’s not like the son actually has a dad around already. James may be moody and depressed because of his feelings of rejection from his biological father! Its so sad that he hasn’t seen him in years. I can’t imagine being abandoned by a parent especially when he is already that old. can’t believe some of these answers. It would definitely be wrong if he doesn’t offer to adopt both. Family units should stay together.
Just as Nutty-Summer-Munch pointed out, adoption is not just emotions, it has legal weight. They really need to think this through, a lot. It's a complicated situation without a perfect solution.
The fact that his biological father was a part of his life for the first 10 years and then all of a sudden went away may be making the 15 YO son hesitant to get close to any man who may disappear after he opens his heart up again. This kid has been hurt and he's totally closed off from the trauma surrounding having a relationship with his father and then his leaving. The son needs counseling to get over this major hurt in his life as he won't be successful in any future relationships if he doesn't. He needs to learn that not every man will do this to him and he has to learn to trust again. He's keeping his distance to protect himself!
As an outsider looking in, I'd say ask the son what he wants. However, I'm just wondering why her son outright seems to have rejected the OP. There may be underlying issues other than they don't clique together. If he was 10 when he first met the stepdad, there may be something deeper going on. Maybe he remembers his own dad, and what pain he went through when his dad became an absentee dad. Maybe he is afraid that it will happen again? Or, maybe he felt that he had become "the man of the house", and sees the OP as an interloper? Whatever the reason, I hope the OP and the stepson can come to an understanding, and that the boy's mother can realize that she can't force someone to accept her choice of fathers.
What happens if he does adopt one or both kids, then the wife decides to divorce shortly after. Now he's legally and financially responsible for the adopted kids. If he doesn't adopt and if she leaves, then he's not on the hook. I feel bad for the girl, because none of this is fair to her.
I've been through this. Don't marry someone if your kids don't like them. It ends up being miserable for everyone.
I think this boy has put up his defensive nature, he probably things you'll do the same as his dad. Apart from normal teenage anxiety behaviour he is putting up barriers of self protection. If you adopt him and just say, we'll you'll always be my son. Just be there for him when he's ready and in need, by adopting him, your proving your commitment. He's trying not to get hurt. Self preservation, I know,it was me along time ago. Hurt before you get hurt.
The Husband should not adopt any of the kids. Bad enough she had two kids from jump street now she wants him to adopt her ungrateful son. Which means legally he is equal to the biological father. That would be an asinine decision. Dudes need to stop making emotional decisions like this.
Definitely NTA here. I believe OP's motives are good....BUT I would suggest waitin until the son is 18. I'm a stepmum twice over & I'm wonderin if the children's bio father is in the picture. And if OP is absolutely certain his stepson doesn't like him. Tweens & teens can be notoriously awkward, emotionally inexperienced, & painfully self-conscious. I'd let him know your plans & then give him room to process the situation. State your feelings/ opinions ONCE ( don't harp, ) & don't force this. Step parents are often damned if they do & damned if they don't. If it was me, I'd wait til the boy is 18.
A 15 year olds actions rarely match with his feelings. If the wife has dropped this ultimatum on him, the stepson may have always assumed the attempts to include him were also being done just to pacify mom. Or he's afraid you are going to just leave like his real dad did. A conversation with the son is necessary, but it needs to express the sincere desire to adopt him, not that's it's a convenient afterthought. And anything less than a resounding "hell no!" should be taken as him being open to the idea but afraid to admit it.
In this scenario, I'd definitely ask the Son, but I'd explain that it's just a "formality" - he wouldn't have to call him dad, or even have to be close to him if he didn't feel comfortable doing so, but it's always better to try and form/mend relationships than it is to never let them grow in a scenario like this.
Telling him it's just a formality is only telling him that you don't really want to but are willing to go through the motions for his sister's sake - further dividing the relationship, not mending it. This guy needs to express a sincere desire to adopt the teen, as a means of expressing that he isn't going anywhere and that he wants the teen around forever. And you need to do a lot of reading between the lines when hearing his response; no doesn't necessarily mean no, it could just be teenage moodiness or even an expression of him being afraid to buy into accepting another dad after the first abandoned him.
Load More Replies...The older son had time with his biological Dad, that his sister did not. He may be loyal to his Dad, or hesitant to build a relationship with another man when his biologic Dad left him like he did. It seems like the boy is going out of his way to protect himself from being hurt again. The step-dad needs to assure the boy that he's in for the long run.
This a l l feels like a red flag imo the wife brought up adoption but won't allow it if both aren't adopted? A teen doesn't usually agree to adoption. They usually have more acceptance over stuff that's happened or anger about it. He needs talked to yeah but I think adopting them should "wait for a better time" and if wife loses her s**t over being forced to wait, that's your real story there.
Perhaps I'm too naive, but I can't imagine getting married if one or more of my future partner's children from past relationships couldn't stand me or would ignore me completely.... I wouldn't want to do that to myself. In this particular case, the attitude of the wife/mother is also absolutely not worth a damn.
I'm 45, my dad remarried about 5 years ago. I have Wonderfully Wicked stepmom who I love dearly. After a recent conversation, I looked into it and found out she could adopt me, even as an adult. I explained that for 2 reasons. I have an older brother who I guarantee has no interest in being adopted. (He loves her too, I just know he doesn't have THAT kind of connection with her) I also discovered that (in MI at least) if they're over 14 the child has to agree to the adoption. I understand the wanting "equal treatment" for her kids (my oldest is my hubby's stepson) but unless James REALLY wants to be adopted, then denying Becky is doing nothing but causing unnecessary pain and will likely devolve into resentment. "Fair" and "equal" aren't always the same thing.
They should have a family discussion. Bring everyone into the same room and have a conversation about the situation. Ask the 15 year old if he wants to be adopted in front of his mother. If he rejects the idea of adoption, then his opinion should be respected. This means his mother needs to accept it and allow her daughter to be adopted. I understand that she may want what she believes is the best for her children but that's not always the case. Forcing him to be adopted because of her unreasonable demands will have consequences. This entire situation could put a strain on their family, even their marriage. This makes the mother TAH.
too add the fact she is pushing with an ultimatum. bet she divorces and takes him for child support
First of all, they need to explain situation to James and ask him, if he want to be adopted or if he's okay with younger sister being adopted when he's not. It won't create healthiest family dynamic, but I think it's better than forcing James into situation, where he's adopted by person he don't like. Their mother sounds a bit like AH, I understand that she's afraid that her son won't be treated fairly, but she can't force her husband and son into adoption like this.
If he's 15 and she's 8, and she's the one who wants to be adopted, wait three years. At that point, he'll be 18 and a legal adult; she'll still be a minor who needs/wants a parent. I'd say ask him, now, if he'd want to be adopted or not, and if he doesn't, then like I said, wait until he's 18 before you adopt his sister. Then your wife won't have a leg to stand on WRT "fairness."
I wonder why the male hasn't clicked with him is it because a dad left and didn't contact them? Or does he not like the OP? On the surface it's pretty straightforward. But the male may have a underlying issues and possibly could benefit from a neutral 3rd party. I agree with the offer being made. But I wonder what the other side of this story is. Maybe nothing.
They need to ask the son how he feels. She shouldn't force him to be adopted if he choses not to be and she shouldn't block her daughter's adoption. As far as the legal ramifications if she dies and the son is not adopted -she can set up a will and put in conditions for her son and her husband.
The wife is right. Nobody knows what is in the head of the teenager. Maybe OP treat him differently from the beginning. Yes he is the grown up. As a mother I couldn't support that my husband chose one and not the others. It's heartbreaking... For everybody.
Well, the daughter chose the stepdad actually. But, he should still ask the son and if he doesn't want to be adopted why is the mom forcing him to be?
Load More Replies...Who the hell supports this man, James is 15 month old..how is a 15 month old supposed to react...each if they met when James was 15 months and been together 5 years the kid us only 6. No reason to talk that way about a 6 year old.
I would slow down and take a step back. Mom is using the daughter as a messenger. There is a Bio dad out there somewhere and he also has family. Is he going to put up a fight? Is mom trying to flex a bit here to get back a bio dad? Did Bio dad phase out of the picture with her new relationship. Slowly push-out/.drifted away? What is the end result? There is more to this. Highly unlikely Bio dad will hand over his rights like that. Son might have a relationship with him, hence not totally into step-dad. What is mom trying to do here? Obviously, playing with step-dad's emotions. Red Flags!
Here's a scenario. You adopt the kids, she divorces you and gets back with the ex. Now you pay them child support to raise thier kids. How dumb do you feel? Happened to my best friend, don't be a stool pigeon. If she acts like this now, RUN!
Stop being an a*s. Parenting isn't a popularity contest. You don't need to like each other to be a good parent.
You already see them on a regular basis why are you getting the government involved? Also YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE MARRIED HER! ultimatums are a HUGE red flag. Men this is a cautionary tale...do not date single moms.
This is just a situation where adoption is not the best fit. You can still be a loving parent to both kids without the extra legal papers. And look at it another way. If Becky also did not want to be adopted, then there would be nothing to discuss. So this whole thing really turns on the powers of judgement of an eight-year-old. (And by the time she's 15, she may feel about the situation the way her brother does. It's part of being a teenager.)
Asking the son makes sense, but not allowing new husband to adopt the daughter if the son says no is an asinine condition. It wasn't part of the deal when both the mom and new husband ALREADY SAID YES. That's just going to mess up the relationship between the 2 kids. Is the mom too embarrassed by the prospect of explaining the dynamic to her friends?
Also (although I'm not sure which country the OP is based in) if the son is now 15 he would legally be considered an adult in a few years time which would also be something to consider since that would also change the family dynamic
Load More Replies...The wife is the a*****e here using the young daughter to try and manipulate her husband into adopting both kids when the older one is clearly not interested. Sounds like it’s more about the wife’s fantasy vision of her perfect family than genuinely what’s best for them as a family
Honestly, I think this step-dad is doing the best he can. He obv loves his step-son and has put effort into his relationship with him, but is respecting the step-sons boundaries. I actually think it's more unfair to both children that they have to arrive at the same decision. If James said no, Becky would resent him, If James caved he would resent Becky. Forcing them to be the same is gonna create a rift between the kids and ultimately the family.
I've known quite a lot of teenagers who treat their parents this way. It's up to the parent to make it clear that they love the kid unconditionally and are always there for them. No matter how many times you get rejected, you offer, but you don't take it personally if the kid wants their space. My guess is that the son is very afraid of rejection. That said: the son is old enough to be part of this conversation. Let him chose what he wants to do.
When my grandmother remarried, her new husband adopted my mom (the youngest) and the middle sister, but not the oldest sister. Why? Well, he was a few years younger than my grandma. Specifically, he was 11 when my aunt was born, and it was the 50s, so... yeah. But when they sat the girls down to ask what they thought of adoption, apparently they all traded looks, then my mom said, "sure, we'll adopt you!"
I mean, let's be real. Teenagers are moody. I definitely was at that age. I didn't even want to spend time with my biological parents. I was way more interested in girls and video games. But part of that moodiness is also just wanting to be heard. He may get upset that he was asked. That's what teenagers do. He'll get over that. But not being asked is something he probably won't get over. It'll send the message that you don't care about his opinion and that's something he'll remember.
The wife seems manipulative as she has laid out the situation so that when James says no (99% likely), the husband is the bad guy. I find it telling that the wife was in on this with Becky from the get-go and excluded James from a subject that involves him. Then she unequivocally states that he cannot adopt Becky unless he adopts both kids, even if James wants no part. Because of her stance, anything short of a "yes" from James damages the family and the marriage. James will likely resent everyone, Becky will resent her mother and James, while the wife will resent the husband when it is revealed (as it should be) that her mom will stop her adoption. It won't end well, but I think a family meeting needs to be called where James is brought into the loop, and the husband should reveal the wife's conditions if she does not do so herself. She can't be allowed to deflect or gaslight. She needs to own the situation she caused.
Wife is an ah to both kids, girl will be crushed if the adoption doesn't happen
Two words: family therapy. There is so much to unpack here. A teen boy who is giving off all the signs of a kid who needs help but doesn't know how to ask, with behavior being woefully misinterpreted by a step dad who feels rejected. Mom doesn't have any insight and has imposed an arbitrary rule that isn't helping. A daughter whose wishes are being cast aside. Get help. Dig deeper. It's not too late for some effective solutions.
Kid is probably still hoping for bio dad to be a real dad. Otherwise, he is just being a normal teenage boy dealing with how to handle life. Best thing to do is to sit him down, tell him everything (without mom there) and ask outright if he does want to be adopted. Kid is worried that step dad is just doing it because mom wants it to happen. Just tell him you're willing but still want to support him in everything he does whether it happens or not.
There are legal implications to consider. If your wife died tomorrow who would get the children? Their biological father would legally have the right to swoop in and take them. Is that something you all want to happen? I feel badly for the son. It sounds like he really needs a good father figure.
I think 15-ish teens are actually asked directly in court if they want to be adopted by the step parent, I think it's the same with the splitting in divorce. Give him the option and adopt Becky regardless, since she grew from a very young age with OP as her father When my dad entered the picture, my half brother was also 9-10. Unsure how the legal agreement was worked out, but he had two father figures in his life, me and my sister came along, he lived with us as his bio dad lived kind of far away. He is now 30, lives closer (not with, but at least close enough to visit him more often) to his bio dad and his other set of younger half siblings, yet his relationship is still the same with my dad. Both families are friendly and we sometimes hang out all the kids together :) (30M - 20F - 17F - 16M - 13F. He is the oldest, 2&3 are me and my sis, 4&5 his other set of halfs). He was never a "dadless" kid, he technically had two dads and no pressure, he just wanted both in his life
Not asking the son would be an AH move. Teens are often sensitive about perceived rejection - even though he may have no desire to be adopted, he might still feel alienated and unwanted. This would worsen his relationship not only with OP, but with his bio family. His not wanting to spend time with you may not even reflect his deeper feelings - he's a teenager, spending any time with an adult one on one may be cringe-enducingly awkward for him. Approach him as a young man, with respect and acceptance, and make the offer - tell him there's no pressure, and either way he is a valued and loved member of your family, that he will always be your and your wife's son. If he turns you down, say you understand, and you respect his decision, and that the offer is always open. Then tell him that you still want to adopt step-daughter, and ask for his support. If he supports the adoption, hopefully wife will come around.
I definitely agree that the 15yo needs to be asked. I've met kids in similar situations through work and most of them just want to be asked and heard. If step-dad doesn't talk with the teenager about it he is sort of the AH because he's deciding out of his own feelings towards the kids and that can be really hurtful. I mean when they met the daughter was 3, that's young enough to form a closer bond compared to a 10yr old - obviously. So you got to look at that perspective. Shouldn't mean the teenager should automatically be excluded from even getting the question. But if he says no I see nothing wrong with adopting the 8yo. You can explain this to a 8yo in a way they will understand so it's not the daughter that would feel weird about it - it's moms issues in that case.
I’d say it’s the kids decision. If he’s so sure he’ll say no then just get it done with and respect the boundary he sets. you don’t lose anything by asking but this guy’s acting like he will.
NTA. Def. talk to him about it. That absolves you of the being unfair part. He might surprise you, and maybe not. Assure him you wont treat him any differently than you do now. If you force an adoption there are things he can and might do that can absolutely ruin your life. If he gets mad all he has to do assert to a mandatory reporter that you molested him. The truth does not matter one iota. As long as he sticks to his story they will 100% believe him and You, your wife and Becky will face the worst nightmare you can imagine! It could cost you everything!
OP, NTA. So far, no one has addressed the feelings of the step father here. It's like decisions are being made for him whether or not it's what he wants to do. The wife is holding an emotional threat to his head and heart with her "either/or" thereby driving a wedge in the entire matter. I suggest couples counseling BEFORE any further action, discussion, offering adoption is presented to the boy. The wife's fantasy of one big happy family is juvenile, and grossly unfair to the little girl who will not be able to understand the manipulation the mother is doing to FORCE compliance of the step dad. He needs to be clear that this choice is HIS, and not being bullied into it by his wife.
Don't ask if he wants it; offer to do it. This might help him see you are genuinely interested in being his dad, and might change his attitude. Also, it might take a while, but he might say no now, but yes later. But only if you tell him you would like to adopt him, not ask him if he wants it. And for goodness sakes, make sure he has no inkling your wife has made it a condition of your adopting your daughter. And BTW, WITA.
I think that only adopting one and not the other is selfish. Kids don’t always like their natural parents, let alone step-parents, but we can’t just step aside and decide not to claim them when they act like what is essentially, a normal teenager. I understand that it’s hard to deal with, but I believe by opting not to adopt him, you’ll create an irreparable rift between yourself and the child as well as between the two kids. Be a parent to both of them. To not adopt one even if you feel they don’t like you, is the ultimate insult and really looks like playing favorites at the highest level. If anything, your willingness to commit to him as his parent may strengthen the relationship and later produce the best possible outcome. Best of luck to you.
I always respected my parents because they always told me the truth, it doesn't mean they cared about my input because I was a kid. I think they need to sit together all 4, the dad needs to say the girl wants to be adopted and he'll do it. Then ask the boy if he wants that also and the mom needs to tell the girl why she'll not allow that to happen. She needs to be responsible for her decision because it's not the dads fault. She's trying to believe she has a family that she doesn't. My way or no way
trying to force your spouse to adopt your child ? and he isn't allowed when one says no ? this woman just destroyed her own marriage . not sure why she is doing it like this . but the only thoughts that come to mind is she is selfish and only cares about what she wants not the family . time to run my dude !
It wouldn't surprise me if the wife manipulated the daughter to ask OP to adopt her. As if she is planning this.
So she is using her daughter as currency to force a relationship onto her son that her son doesn't even want. What a horrible miserable cow. And double shame on her for ruining her daughters dreams of being adopted by the man who raised her because her brother feels differently... LADY YOU SUCK!
My husband adopted my oldest son as his deceased father oked it before he died. My other 2 their dad refused so we waited for them to become adults and they were then adopted and names changed. It should be individually. My husband and I went on to have 7 more children. All ten are siblings and feel that way.
YTA imho - if James would accept this, then OP should defo do this. I'm with the wife on this one. What he described is just a teenager being a teenager. Even bio dads have the same XP with their teenages sons sometimes. It shouldn't stop someone from having love in their heart.
Sorry, but I think your wife is being TA. I agree like most of the others who say you should ask him if he would like to be adopted. Who knows? Maybe it’s the one thing he’s been waiting for to feel like you’re really part of HIS family and he would change his whole feeling about you. Tell him Becky asked to be adopted and you would like to adopt him too. If he says no though, Becky should still be allowed to be adopted. The son is old enough to decide but Becky should not be punished if he decides no.
Hmm.. Mum is thinking of leaving dad, but wants child support... That's my take on it.
I know a woman who got a recently married husband to adopt both of her kids. When the adoption was final for a year, she divorced him, and got child support as well as alimony. Your wife being willing to sacrifice Becky’s happiness has me not trusting her.
He has known the son since he was 10! Its not like they just met. He should be willing to ask James to adopt him. He is thinking too much about his own feelings and not the real situation. As a family unit it should be all or none. It would feel like splitting up your children. 15 is still very young. Even if the kid doesn’t like him there are a lot of teens who don’t like their parents! So what?! Step up. The fact he so quickly said he didn’t want to says something to me. It’s not like the son actually has a dad around already. James may be moody and depressed because of his feelings of rejection from his biological father! Its so sad that he hasn’t seen him in years. I can’t imagine being abandoned by a parent especially when he is already that old. can’t believe some of these answers. It would definitely be wrong if he doesn’t offer to adopt both. Family units should stay together.
Just as Nutty-Summer-Munch pointed out, adoption is not just emotions, it has legal weight. They really need to think this through, a lot. It's a complicated situation without a perfect solution.
The fact that his biological father was a part of his life for the first 10 years and then all of a sudden went away may be making the 15 YO son hesitant to get close to any man who may disappear after he opens his heart up again. This kid has been hurt and he's totally closed off from the trauma surrounding having a relationship with his father and then his leaving. The son needs counseling to get over this major hurt in his life as he won't be successful in any future relationships if he doesn't. He needs to learn that not every man will do this to him and he has to learn to trust again. He's keeping his distance to protect himself!
As an outsider looking in, I'd say ask the son what he wants. However, I'm just wondering why her son outright seems to have rejected the OP. There may be underlying issues other than they don't clique together. If he was 10 when he first met the stepdad, there may be something deeper going on. Maybe he remembers his own dad, and what pain he went through when his dad became an absentee dad. Maybe he is afraid that it will happen again? Or, maybe he felt that he had become "the man of the house", and sees the OP as an interloper? Whatever the reason, I hope the OP and the stepson can come to an understanding, and that the boy's mother can realize that she can't force someone to accept her choice of fathers.
What happens if he does adopt one or both kids, then the wife decides to divorce shortly after. Now he's legally and financially responsible for the adopted kids. If he doesn't adopt and if she leaves, then he's not on the hook. I feel bad for the girl, because none of this is fair to her.
I've been through this. Don't marry someone if your kids don't like them. It ends up being miserable for everyone.
I think this boy has put up his defensive nature, he probably things you'll do the same as his dad. Apart from normal teenage anxiety behaviour he is putting up barriers of self protection. If you adopt him and just say, we'll you'll always be my son. Just be there for him when he's ready and in need, by adopting him, your proving your commitment. He's trying not to get hurt. Self preservation, I know,it was me along time ago. Hurt before you get hurt.
The Husband should not adopt any of the kids. Bad enough she had two kids from jump street now she wants him to adopt her ungrateful son. Which means legally he is equal to the biological father. That would be an asinine decision. Dudes need to stop making emotional decisions like this.
Definitely NTA here. I believe OP's motives are good....BUT I would suggest waitin until the son is 18. I'm a stepmum twice over & I'm wonderin if the children's bio father is in the picture. And if OP is absolutely certain his stepson doesn't like him. Tweens & teens can be notoriously awkward, emotionally inexperienced, & painfully self-conscious. I'd let him know your plans & then give him room to process the situation. State your feelings/ opinions ONCE ( don't harp, ) & don't force this. Step parents are often damned if they do & damned if they don't. If it was me, I'd wait til the boy is 18.
A 15 year olds actions rarely match with his feelings. If the wife has dropped this ultimatum on him, the stepson may have always assumed the attempts to include him were also being done just to pacify mom. Or he's afraid you are going to just leave like his real dad did. A conversation with the son is necessary, but it needs to express the sincere desire to adopt him, not that's it's a convenient afterthought. And anything less than a resounding "hell no!" should be taken as him being open to the idea but afraid to admit it.
In this scenario, I'd definitely ask the Son, but I'd explain that it's just a "formality" - he wouldn't have to call him dad, or even have to be close to him if he didn't feel comfortable doing so, but it's always better to try and form/mend relationships than it is to never let them grow in a scenario like this.
Telling him it's just a formality is only telling him that you don't really want to but are willing to go through the motions for his sister's sake - further dividing the relationship, not mending it. This guy needs to express a sincere desire to adopt the teen, as a means of expressing that he isn't going anywhere and that he wants the teen around forever. And you need to do a lot of reading between the lines when hearing his response; no doesn't necessarily mean no, it could just be teenage moodiness or even an expression of him being afraid to buy into accepting another dad after the first abandoned him.
Load More Replies...The older son had time with his biological Dad, that his sister did not. He may be loyal to his Dad, or hesitant to build a relationship with another man when his biologic Dad left him like he did. It seems like the boy is going out of his way to protect himself from being hurt again. The step-dad needs to assure the boy that he's in for the long run.
This a l l feels like a red flag imo the wife brought up adoption but won't allow it if both aren't adopted? A teen doesn't usually agree to adoption. They usually have more acceptance over stuff that's happened or anger about it. He needs talked to yeah but I think adopting them should "wait for a better time" and if wife loses her s**t over being forced to wait, that's your real story there.
Perhaps I'm too naive, but I can't imagine getting married if one or more of my future partner's children from past relationships couldn't stand me or would ignore me completely.... I wouldn't want to do that to myself. In this particular case, the attitude of the wife/mother is also absolutely not worth a damn.
I'm 45, my dad remarried about 5 years ago. I have Wonderfully Wicked stepmom who I love dearly. After a recent conversation, I looked into it and found out she could adopt me, even as an adult. I explained that for 2 reasons. I have an older brother who I guarantee has no interest in being adopted. (He loves her too, I just know he doesn't have THAT kind of connection with her) I also discovered that (in MI at least) if they're over 14 the child has to agree to the adoption. I understand the wanting "equal treatment" for her kids (my oldest is my hubby's stepson) but unless James REALLY wants to be adopted, then denying Becky is doing nothing but causing unnecessary pain and will likely devolve into resentment. "Fair" and "equal" aren't always the same thing.
They should have a family discussion. Bring everyone into the same room and have a conversation about the situation. Ask the 15 year old if he wants to be adopted in front of his mother. If he rejects the idea of adoption, then his opinion should be respected. This means his mother needs to accept it and allow her daughter to be adopted. I understand that she may want what she believes is the best for her children but that's not always the case. Forcing him to be adopted because of her unreasonable demands will have consequences. This entire situation could put a strain on their family, even their marriage. This makes the mother TAH.
too add the fact she is pushing with an ultimatum. bet she divorces and takes him for child support
First of all, they need to explain situation to James and ask him, if he want to be adopted or if he's okay with younger sister being adopted when he's not. It won't create healthiest family dynamic, but I think it's better than forcing James into situation, where he's adopted by person he don't like. Their mother sounds a bit like AH, I understand that she's afraid that her son won't be treated fairly, but she can't force her husband and son into adoption like this.
If he's 15 and she's 8, and she's the one who wants to be adopted, wait three years. At that point, he'll be 18 and a legal adult; she'll still be a minor who needs/wants a parent. I'd say ask him, now, if he'd want to be adopted or not, and if he doesn't, then like I said, wait until he's 18 before you adopt his sister. Then your wife won't have a leg to stand on WRT "fairness."
I wonder why the male hasn't clicked with him is it because a dad left and didn't contact them? Or does he not like the OP? On the surface it's pretty straightforward. But the male may have a underlying issues and possibly could benefit from a neutral 3rd party. I agree with the offer being made. But I wonder what the other side of this story is. Maybe nothing.
They need to ask the son how he feels. She shouldn't force him to be adopted if he choses not to be and she shouldn't block her daughter's adoption. As far as the legal ramifications if she dies and the son is not adopted -she can set up a will and put in conditions for her son and her husband.
The wife is right. Nobody knows what is in the head of the teenager. Maybe OP treat him differently from the beginning. Yes he is the grown up. As a mother I couldn't support that my husband chose one and not the others. It's heartbreaking... For everybody.
Well, the daughter chose the stepdad actually. But, he should still ask the son and if he doesn't want to be adopted why is the mom forcing him to be?
Load More Replies...Who the hell supports this man, James is 15 month old..how is a 15 month old supposed to react...each if they met when James was 15 months and been together 5 years the kid us only 6. No reason to talk that way about a 6 year old.
I would slow down and take a step back. Mom is using the daughter as a messenger. There is a Bio dad out there somewhere and he also has family. Is he going to put up a fight? Is mom trying to flex a bit here to get back a bio dad? Did Bio dad phase out of the picture with her new relationship. Slowly push-out/.drifted away? What is the end result? There is more to this. Highly unlikely Bio dad will hand over his rights like that. Son might have a relationship with him, hence not totally into step-dad. What is mom trying to do here? Obviously, playing with step-dad's emotions. Red Flags!
Here's a scenario. You adopt the kids, she divorces you and gets back with the ex. Now you pay them child support to raise thier kids. How dumb do you feel? Happened to my best friend, don't be a stool pigeon. If she acts like this now, RUN!
Stop being an a*s. Parenting isn't a popularity contest. You don't need to like each other to be a good parent.
You already see them on a regular basis why are you getting the government involved? Also YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE MARRIED HER! ultimatums are a HUGE red flag. Men this is a cautionary tale...do not date single moms.
This is just a situation where adoption is not the best fit. You can still be a loving parent to both kids without the extra legal papers. And look at it another way. If Becky also did not want to be adopted, then there would be nothing to discuss. So this whole thing really turns on the powers of judgement of an eight-year-old. (And by the time she's 15, she may feel about the situation the way her brother does. It's part of being a teenager.)




























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