As parents, people often have to navigate all sorts of tricky situations. What to do when the babysitter cancels at the last minute? How to handle work when your child is sick? What changing rooms to use when your little one is of the opposite sex?
The last situation was the pickle the dad in this story found himself in. A woman on Mumsnet recently told the community about how she noticed the father with his daughter at the pool and then saw them going towards the woman’s changing room, and the OP told them not to enter. Even though she was backed up by people at the pool, some believed that the woman was in the wrong to do so, which made her wonder if she was being unreasonable.
With children, even something as mundane as going to the pool can become an event
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After going to the pool, this dad was stopped from entering the woman’s changing room with his daughter
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Choosing the right changing room when you’re with kids can be tricky
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For better or worse, life with children is never dull; nor is it easy. Even something as seemingly mundane as a walk in the park might be no walk in the park, especially if the little one is in a mood.
That goes for going elsewhere, too, including the pool or other establishments that might require changing garments. While seeing a mom with a toddler boy in a woman’s changing room, for example, might not be surprising to people around them, the same situation would arguably be viewed very differently if she brought with her a teenager. So what should parents do if their child is not old enough to go on their own, but old enough to make some people uncomfortable?
Ideally, they should choose the family changing room option. However, that is not something that every pool has to offer. In many places, though, there are rules and regulations regarding the age of children allowed in certain changing rooms; in the OP’s case, for example, the pool seemingly didn’t allow kids over the age of eight to enter the changing rooms of the opposite sex.
In some establishments, the age limit can be as high as 12 years, as it was (as of 2017, at least) in the City of London. According to CBC, there was an attempt to change the said age limit to four, meaning that little ones over the age of three would have to go change on their own if they were there with a parent of the opposite sex. However, it didn’t take long for moms and dads to express their discontent, so the City of London Parks and Recreation Department reportedly stuck to the bylaw that noted that children 12 and younger can go into an opposite-sex changing room if accompanied by a parent, guardian, caregiver, or caretaker.
Clearly, there is no ‘one age fits all’ solution when it comes to such situations. Unsurprisingly, there is no one unanimous opinion regarding them, either, which is why some netizens sided with the OP, while others suggested she was indeed being unreasonable.
The woman shared more details with fellow netizens
Some people sided with the OP, saying that she was right to stop the man from entering the woman’s changing room
Others, however, shared a different opinion
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Its common for a child to go into the opposite sex's bathroom ect.. not so much parent. I cant think of any positive intentions here..
I have three daughters, i´d rather have them by themselves in the ladies room than in the men room.
Load More Replies...In this particular situation the only sensible choice was for the father and daughter to go back to their hotel room, which is what happened.
He could have taken her into the men's changing room. I don't know where you're from, but in most of Europe that would be the perfectly normal thing to do. I always went into the ladies' with my mum until I was about 5 or 6, and then into the men's on my own after that. It's entirely inappropriate for the man to go into the ladies', however.
Load More Replies...Disabled facilities are not reserved for people with disabilities. They are simply specially designed to accommodate people with special needs. That would have been a reasonable solution.
It probably would have worked, but the dad wasn't informed of it's existence and, had he tried to use it, it seems the OP would have kicked up just as much fuss. It's typical Mumsnet logic.
Load More Replies...This is a tricky one and I can see both sides of the argument. The thing is, problems like this can be solved by the hotel/spa/leisure centre themselves by doing away with gendered changing rooms. The leisure centre I go to for swimming and the gym has unisex changing areas with individual cubicles that anyone can use.
I don't see anything wrong with him changing her in the mens. He could've waited for a cubicle inside and as far there being naked men in there....she's a toddler! It's not awkward unless he makes it awkward. Women bring little boys into the ladies bathroom and changing rooms all the time.
Load More Replies...Am with OP here, kid wasn't supposed to be there, kid was disruptive to classes, asked to leave. They were staying in the hotel and should have just put those robes back on after a towel dry and change back in their room. OP's friend does not get to speak on behalf of all other women, some of whom may be absolutely distraught at a male just coming in while they are naked in a women's only changing room. He should realise his hypocrisy when saying he won't take his daughter into the men's room.
When I was a teen, we'd just finished swimming with a bunch of friends who were all girls and we were in the dressing room getting changed. In walked a man with a girl of about 3 years old, and started changing. Mind you, he had his back turned to us the entire time, and iirc he just put his pants on over his wet trunks, but I remember thinking why didn't he just take the girl into the men's dressing rooms? To this day, I still think about it sometimes, because while I'm quite positive the man didn't have any malicious intent, it was still very awkward for us teenage girls to have to be naked with this man right there (even if he wasn't looking), because I'm sure teenage boys would've felt way less uncomfortable having a 3 year old girl there. Why go into the women's room then? Because you feel seeing a bunch of penises will be harmful to the kid? I don't have the answer.
It's ridiculous. Women take their little sins to the ladies changing rooms all the time, you never see a mom taking her little son to change in the mens changing room so I don't see how this should be any different.
Load More Replies...In that situation I'd bring my daughter to the men's changing room, have her close her eyes walking in, and find a semi private place and hold a towel up while she quickly changed. This dude is just trying to cop a look in the women's locker room
An 8 yo child can get dressed herself... So send the child into the changing room and wait outside. A 6 yo could do too probably. And for younger, take them to YOUR changing room. Kids have no shame for bodies and do not associate nakedness with sex. Also there should always be single person stalls accesible not via a shared changing room imo.
This was a 4/5 year old kid. The 8 years old refers to the changing room policy. Given her behaviour (if we take OP at her word and, as it's on Mumsnet, it's likely massively exaggerated), sending her in alone isn't a solution. I do find it interesting how many women don't want a man in their changing rooms but think it's perfectly fine for a young girl to be taken into the men's changing rooms. Ultimately, the main issue is the hotel being presumably family friendly but having zero changing facilities dedicated to families, meaning this kind of situation is bound to happen more often than not.
Load More Replies...There are no two sides. Know why? DAD was the one who CHOSE to bring his daughter to the pool, and is responsible for her. The women who were in the changing rooms had no choice or warning here. A grown man doesn't get to walk into a room full of naked women unanounced and just screech "what about my kid?!" Dude, you chose to bring her here, you created the situation, it was YOUR JOB to think ahead of how to handle it or ask questions. And if you don't like the answer, choose not to bring the kid. You don't get to just do what you want because of the awkward situation YOU created. IT WASN'T CHILDREN'S TIME
It is not your problem where this guy takes the child- who should not have been there in the first place - to change. In fact it is not a problem at all since he had a room
Amen. All this fussing and fuming were unnecessary. The man had a room - take daughter up there to shower/bathe and change. I think he had more sinister goals in mind, at the least seeing some naughty bits. Hotel policy should be if you have a room, use it for changing.
Load More Replies...The only time I’ve ever seen a man go into the ladies room for a legitimate reason was to use the infant changing table because they don’t put those in men’s rooms here (at least at that time they didn’t) in the US.
My husband has taken my daughter to the men’s bathroom when she was younger, although he felt uncomfortable with it and wouldn’t have taken her if I were there. But he would never in a million years dream of taking her to the women’s bathroom - that would go beyond uncomfortable into crazyland territory. The man in this story was trying to stir up trouble, zero question.
So an adult man going into a women's changing room is not an option. I mean, otherwise you wouldn't need separate changing rooms/showers at all? And who makes sure that there isn't a little girl in the women's changing room - after all, he has also broken the rule. In Germany, that wouldn't be a problem with such a small girl. Turning such a small girl into a sexual being is absolutely strange! If everyone always thinks that it COULD be seen as such, then I'm not surprised that it sticks in people's minds. I actually believe that the more they are treated as (non-sexual) children, the more they are seen as such by those around them. There may always be exceptions, but the chances are very slim - and they belong in the hands of good psychologists.
Also, children won't sexualize the adults. I've never cared when small boys were in the women's changing room. It's natural.
Load More Replies...I was with her until she made the comment about the disabled changing room. It's the best option but she was against it. Some people you just cannot please.
It's Mumsnet. No logical solutions can ever be allowed.
Load More Replies...They way he doesnt want his daughter to be around men changing is the way all the other women feel about him going into the womans changeroom. Absolutely ridiculous to think as a full grown man you can waltz into the womens changeroom with your daughter.
Just as a side-note to OP's comment: I think, in a tough situation, it's okay for non-disabled people to use a disabled restroom. Many of them are labeled "disabled /family restroom" specifically for situations like this. Regardless, given the details of this particular situation, I think OP was absolutely right for stopping a man from walking in on a bunch of unsuspecting naked women. WTAF.
The rule was clearly posted and it applies to this guy. If he doesn’t like it, he can take it up with the hotel, it is not op’s problem to solve for this guy. The hotel needs a family changing room but again, this is not op’s problem to solve.
He sounds like he goes out of his way to be obnoxious. The ideal thing would have been to swim during the children's allotted time and heading back to their room to change. All of that drama was 100% on him. And he did it in front of his kid.
There was absolutely no "friend" telling her she was wrong for not letting a man in the women's changing room.
Just another entitled Ken thinking the rules don't apply to him. --
Got a similar issue but with the toilet, had my 6yo niece with me in a mall and we both had to go. She went and I waited outside. Then... I couldn't go and leave her outside. There was nobody with authority like a security guard or the lady that looks after the ladies room, so had to make the painful decision to both go home (45 minutes), there was no other choice.
The father sounded like he was entitled. Plainly bringing his daughter during and adult swim, tossing her in the pool and such. He could have asked a woman if the changing room was clear, but if OP’s account is right, he was going to walk right in with his daughter – into a situation where many women (in various stages of undress) would be. As a female, I would have probably screamed (scaring the child) to see a 40-year-old man just strolling in. I can see that the hotel needs a family changing room as both choices are inappropriate. However, I’d love to see how the YBU women would actually react if a fully grown adult male just walked into the changing room while they or their daughters were changing. I don’t think they would be as comfortable as they think to have said male, even with daughter, changing in front of a strange man.
There is something missing from this story: where did the man and his daughter change *into* swimwear and where did they leave their clothes? If they had put their swimwear on in the hotel room, there was no reason to use the changing room because their clothes would not be in there. As the man finally took his daughter straight to the hotel room without going into the changing room then it appears that he had no reason to use the changing room to start with.
People are so weirdly hung up on nudity. I lived in Japan for a decade. I took my kids to the onsen weekly. Everyone is bathing, naked. The one we went to was a resort style and was separated by gender. My boys went with me. I had no issue with them seeing naked women. They didn't even seem to notice. They were just excited to be there and to get to play in the waterfall. They sometimes played with other kids, including girls--naked. A couple of times we went to one that was just a big bath house for families. Everyone is all together, naked. Men, women, children. Young, old. No one cared. It is just nudity. Nudity in and of itself is not inherently sexual. The only reason we didn't frequent that one more is because it was just like a giant public bathroom and wasn't as fun as the resort onsen. If the resort had been co-ed, we still would have gone weekly.
The Dad had absolutely no reason to use the changing rooms anyway. Just towel off and go to your room. He also knew it was adult swimming time because he had asked earlier. I wonder if he's a problem at his local pool.
I think that if guy politely asked one of women to help his daughter, they would help.
Here's what you do. Grab a taxi. Fly to a civilized country where the human body is normalized, not sexualized, and valued more than guns. Change clothes. Fly back. Problem solved. Or... grow the track up.
This was likely UK, given it was posted on Mumsnet. However, Mumsnet is a strange place where it's either extremely prudish or extremely TMI on sexual stuff (case in point, there's a thread in the Classics board about a beaker for a certain male body part). Oh, and all men are perverts who are going to leer over your newborn baby. I only go on these days for a laugh at the hysterics.
Load More Replies...In other words, if you have a small child, you'd be surprised by what people would do for that child so long as the parent isn't an a*s about it.
The facility is definitely at fault here. EVERY building with guest changerooms/ washrooms should have cubicles with doors that go floor to top and are open to the sink area. All changerooms are all gender change rooms. All washrooms are all gender washrooms. No one cares who's washing their hands beside you, but changing and toileting should be absolutely private. If the facilities served their clients appropriately, this would not even be a conversation.
There's a lot of ways this could have gone down that did not require anger or attitude. This is one of life's messy situations where simple solutions are able to be found so long as all parties are being reasonable. The fact that the solution was found with a huff suggests that one or more party's intentions may not have been purely genuine, here.
Just go in the disabled changing room - problem solved. If there was nobody with a disability there to use it, what's the point in gate keeping?
Starts out reasonable, but then all the added details like there was a free cubicle in the mens changing room. How would she have known that? Sounds like she's just gone a bit too far in her justifications and has started to embroider a bit (i.e. lie).
she clearly states a staff member told her there was a free cubicle at that time
Load More Replies...Why does this fat cow think that the dad is interested in her changing her clothes in the first place? He just wanted to make sure his daughter was in a safer place than taking her into the men's changing section
Its common for a child to go into the opposite sex's bathroom ect.. not so much parent. I cant think of any positive intentions here..
I have three daughters, i´d rather have them by themselves in the ladies room than in the men room.
Load More Replies...In this particular situation the only sensible choice was for the father and daughter to go back to their hotel room, which is what happened.
He could have taken her into the men's changing room. I don't know where you're from, but in most of Europe that would be the perfectly normal thing to do. I always went into the ladies' with my mum until I was about 5 or 6, and then into the men's on my own after that. It's entirely inappropriate for the man to go into the ladies', however.
Load More Replies...Disabled facilities are not reserved for people with disabilities. They are simply specially designed to accommodate people with special needs. That would have been a reasonable solution.
It probably would have worked, but the dad wasn't informed of it's existence and, had he tried to use it, it seems the OP would have kicked up just as much fuss. It's typical Mumsnet logic.
Load More Replies...This is a tricky one and I can see both sides of the argument. The thing is, problems like this can be solved by the hotel/spa/leisure centre themselves by doing away with gendered changing rooms. The leisure centre I go to for swimming and the gym has unisex changing areas with individual cubicles that anyone can use.
I don't see anything wrong with him changing her in the mens. He could've waited for a cubicle inside and as far there being naked men in there....she's a toddler! It's not awkward unless he makes it awkward. Women bring little boys into the ladies bathroom and changing rooms all the time.
Load More Replies...Am with OP here, kid wasn't supposed to be there, kid was disruptive to classes, asked to leave. They were staying in the hotel and should have just put those robes back on after a towel dry and change back in their room. OP's friend does not get to speak on behalf of all other women, some of whom may be absolutely distraught at a male just coming in while they are naked in a women's only changing room. He should realise his hypocrisy when saying he won't take his daughter into the men's room.
When I was a teen, we'd just finished swimming with a bunch of friends who were all girls and we were in the dressing room getting changed. In walked a man with a girl of about 3 years old, and started changing. Mind you, he had his back turned to us the entire time, and iirc he just put his pants on over his wet trunks, but I remember thinking why didn't he just take the girl into the men's dressing rooms? To this day, I still think about it sometimes, because while I'm quite positive the man didn't have any malicious intent, it was still very awkward for us teenage girls to have to be naked with this man right there (even if he wasn't looking), because I'm sure teenage boys would've felt way less uncomfortable having a 3 year old girl there. Why go into the women's room then? Because you feel seeing a bunch of penises will be harmful to the kid? I don't have the answer.
It's ridiculous. Women take their little sins to the ladies changing rooms all the time, you never see a mom taking her little son to change in the mens changing room so I don't see how this should be any different.
Load More Replies...In that situation I'd bring my daughter to the men's changing room, have her close her eyes walking in, and find a semi private place and hold a towel up while she quickly changed. This dude is just trying to cop a look in the women's locker room
An 8 yo child can get dressed herself... So send the child into the changing room and wait outside. A 6 yo could do too probably. And for younger, take them to YOUR changing room. Kids have no shame for bodies and do not associate nakedness with sex. Also there should always be single person stalls accesible not via a shared changing room imo.
This was a 4/5 year old kid. The 8 years old refers to the changing room policy. Given her behaviour (if we take OP at her word and, as it's on Mumsnet, it's likely massively exaggerated), sending her in alone isn't a solution. I do find it interesting how many women don't want a man in their changing rooms but think it's perfectly fine for a young girl to be taken into the men's changing rooms. Ultimately, the main issue is the hotel being presumably family friendly but having zero changing facilities dedicated to families, meaning this kind of situation is bound to happen more often than not.
Load More Replies...There are no two sides. Know why? DAD was the one who CHOSE to bring his daughter to the pool, and is responsible for her. The women who were in the changing rooms had no choice or warning here. A grown man doesn't get to walk into a room full of naked women unanounced and just screech "what about my kid?!" Dude, you chose to bring her here, you created the situation, it was YOUR JOB to think ahead of how to handle it or ask questions. And if you don't like the answer, choose not to bring the kid. You don't get to just do what you want because of the awkward situation YOU created. IT WASN'T CHILDREN'S TIME
It is not your problem where this guy takes the child- who should not have been there in the first place - to change. In fact it is not a problem at all since he had a room
Amen. All this fussing and fuming were unnecessary. The man had a room - take daughter up there to shower/bathe and change. I think he had more sinister goals in mind, at the least seeing some naughty bits. Hotel policy should be if you have a room, use it for changing.
Load More Replies...The only time I’ve ever seen a man go into the ladies room for a legitimate reason was to use the infant changing table because they don’t put those in men’s rooms here (at least at that time they didn’t) in the US.
My husband has taken my daughter to the men’s bathroom when she was younger, although he felt uncomfortable with it and wouldn’t have taken her if I were there. But he would never in a million years dream of taking her to the women’s bathroom - that would go beyond uncomfortable into crazyland territory. The man in this story was trying to stir up trouble, zero question.
So an adult man going into a women's changing room is not an option. I mean, otherwise you wouldn't need separate changing rooms/showers at all? And who makes sure that there isn't a little girl in the women's changing room - after all, he has also broken the rule. In Germany, that wouldn't be a problem with such a small girl. Turning such a small girl into a sexual being is absolutely strange! If everyone always thinks that it COULD be seen as such, then I'm not surprised that it sticks in people's minds. I actually believe that the more they are treated as (non-sexual) children, the more they are seen as such by those around them. There may always be exceptions, but the chances are very slim - and they belong in the hands of good psychologists.
Also, children won't sexualize the adults. I've never cared when small boys were in the women's changing room. It's natural.
Load More Replies...I was with her until she made the comment about the disabled changing room. It's the best option but she was against it. Some people you just cannot please.
It's Mumsnet. No logical solutions can ever be allowed.
Load More Replies...They way he doesnt want his daughter to be around men changing is the way all the other women feel about him going into the womans changeroom. Absolutely ridiculous to think as a full grown man you can waltz into the womens changeroom with your daughter.
Just as a side-note to OP's comment: I think, in a tough situation, it's okay for non-disabled people to use a disabled restroom. Many of them are labeled "disabled /family restroom" specifically for situations like this. Regardless, given the details of this particular situation, I think OP was absolutely right for stopping a man from walking in on a bunch of unsuspecting naked women. WTAF.
The rule was clearly posted and it applies to this guy. If he doesn’t like it, he can take it up with the hotel, it is not op’s problem to solve for this guy. The hotel needs a family changing room but again, this is not op’s problem to solve.
He sounds like he goes out of his way to be obnoxious. The ideal thing would have been to swim during the children's allotted time and heading back to their room to change. All of that drama was 100% on him. And he did it in front of his kid.
There was absolutely no "friend" telling her she was wrong for not letting a man in the women's changing room.
Just another entitled Ken thinking the rules don't apply to him. --
Got a similar issue but with the toilet, had my 6yo niece with me in a mall and we both had to go. She went and I waited outside. Then... I couldn't go and leave her outside. There was nobody with authority like a security guard or the lady that looks after the ladies room, so had to make the painful decision to both go home (45 minutes), there was no other choice.
The father sounded like he was entitled. Plainly bringing his daughter during and adult swim, tossing her in the pool and such. He could have asked a woman if the changing room was clear, but if OP’s account is right, he was going to walk right in with his daughter – into a situation where many women (in various stages of undress) would be. As a female, I would have probably screamed (scaring the child) to see a 40-year-old man just strolling in. I can see that the hotel needs a family changing room as both choices are inappropriate. However, I’d love to see how the YBU women would actually react if a fully grown adult male just walked into the changing room while they or their daughters were changing. I don’t think they would be as comfortable as they think to have said male, even with daughter, changing in front of a strange man.
There is something missing from this story: where did the man and his daughter change *into* swimwear and where did they leave their clothes? If they had put their swimwear on in the hotel room, there was no reason to use the changing room because their clothes would not be in there. As the man finally took his daughter straight to the hotel room without going into the changing room then it appears that he had no reason to use the changing room to start with.
People are so weirdly hung up on nudity. I lived in Japan for a decade. I took my kids to the onsen weekly. Everyone is bathing, naked. The one we went to was a resort style and was separated by gender. My boys went with me. I had no issue with them seeing naked women. They didn't even seem to notice. They were just excited to be there and to get to play in the waterfall. They sometimes played with other kids, including girls--naked. A couple of times we went to one that was just a big bath house for families. Everyone is all together, naked. Men, women, children. Young, old. No one cared. It is just nudity. Nudity in and of itself is not inherently sexual. The only reason we didn't frequent that one more is because it was just like a giant public bathroom and wasn't as fun as the resort onsen. If the resort had been co-ed, we still would have gone weekly.
The Dad had absolutely no reason to use the changing rooms anyway. Just towel off and go to your room. He also knew it was adult swimming time because he had asked earlier. I wonder if he's a problem at his local pool.
I think that if guy politely asked one of women to help his daughter, they would help.
Here's what you do. Grab a taxi. Fly to a civilized country where the human body is normalized, not sexualized, and valued more than guns. Change clothes. Fly back. Problem solved. Or... grow the track up.
This was likely UK, given it was posted on Mumsnet. However, Mumsnet is a strange place where it's either extremely prudish or extremely TMI on sexual stuff (case in point, there's a thread in the Classics board about a beaker for a certain male body part). Oh, and all men are perverts who are going to leer over your newborn baby. I only go on these days for a laugh at the hysterics.
Load More Replies...In other words, if you have a small child, you'd be surprised by what people would do for that child so long as the parent isn't an a*s about it.
The facility is definitely at fault here. EVERY building with guest changerooms/ washrooms should have cubicles with doors that go floor to top and are open to the sink area. All changerooms are all gender change rooms. All washrooms are all gender washrooms. No one cares who's washing their hands beside you, but changing and toileting should be absolutely private. If the facilities served their clients appropriately, this would not even be a conversation.
There's a lot of ways this could have gone down that did not require anger or attitude. This is one of life's messy situations where simple solutions are able to be found so long as all parties are being reasonable. The fact that the solution was found with a huff suggests that one or more party's intentions may not have been purely genuine, here.
Just go in the disabled changing room - problem solved. If there was nobody with a disability there to use it, what's the point in gate keeping?
Starts out reasonable, but then all the added details like there was a free cubicle in the mens changing room. How would she have known that? Sounds like she's just gone a bit too far in her justifications and has started to embroider a bit (i.e. lie).
she clearly states a staff member told her there was a free cubicle at that time
Load More Replies...Why does this fat cow think that the dad is interested in her changing her clothes in the first place? He just wanted to make sure his daughter was in a safer place than taking her into the men's changing section


















































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