The Way This Guy Proves Earth Is Not Flat Is Brilliant

Boris I can't reply to your post, but empiricism is about evidence, not about belief. Please don't toss around words you seem to vaguely understand. Good god, the state of education frightens the f**k out of me.

To believe something you have to accept it, people still have to accept science. People didn't accept that plate tectonics existed, people accepted that fire was a fluid. Science simply is a mechanism for understanding physical processes. Just because someone does not accept science does not mean it does not predict the acceleration of gravity. One can accept anthropomorphic climate change or one can accept non-anthropomorphic climate change, however, science is simply there to look at causation, and make a prediction. Not always are the predictions correct (people believed that space was aether) but a properly done experiment will eventually be able to provide a mathematical and physical prediction that will always be right (gravity).

It is though. If you think about it, you can always question the proof of anything until they will no longer be able to answer you. The question is, which one if the more reasonable belief system? Science, or pseudoscience? Now, to most educated individuals, science is the obvious answer. But to others, pseudosciences might seem to make more sense. Science is not absolute knowledge. But it is the system of belief with most proof. Not absolute proof, sure, but at least some proof.

No your right it's faith!

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It is to people like you and Kjorn, who just accept things without diving into empiricism. It doesn't matter how you see or define yourself. It is about what you do.

Like Sam Harris said, "If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?”

Who told you what they teach? I attended private Catholic schools graduating in 1978 and we had General science, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. We learned about the theory of evolution and the belief in creationism. We also spent some one semester learning about Judaism, the Protestant churches, the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist faiths. My ‘religious’ school taught me about many things that exist in this world that the public schools never touched upon, and also everything they do.

We forgive you. -- The mighty demigods Strunk and White

I also think that scientists responding to flat-earthers is in the same vein. Flat-earth theories pose no risk to science - no policy makers or university professors take it seriously. Scientists are essentially experimenting with ways to explain and educate people who don't understand how to evaluate evidence scientifically. This is a game with no serious stakes (except improving science education, we hope).

I always love when sites like "I f*****g love science" take them seriously... and wonder how smart the IFLS guys and gals are if they can so easily be fooled by a bunch a nerds.

Well, I have a grandson, 36 years of age, who is a true believer in a flat earth and preaches it constant! He is also a conspiracy believer and this is where flat earthers can drive you crazy...all attempts to enlighten them to reality elicits their argument that NASA fakes pictures and there is a worldwide conspiracy to lie about the “true” nature of our planet! Drives me nuts!