Tired Of Patients Not Wanting To Reveal Their Biological Sex This Person Went On A Rant To Explain Why It Can End Tragically
Your life is more important than your feelings getting hurt — that’s the message one healthcare professional is trying to send everyone. According to Imgur user oldfishnewfish, it’s very important to tell the medical staff your biological sex even if the question ‘triggers’ you. Your life depends on giving the right answer.
Oldfishnewfish posted a long and winding rant online that explains exactly how much correct treatment and diagnosis can depend on whether you’re a man or a woman due to simple human biology differences. The detailed scientific explanation went viral. It was viewed over 120,000 times and got more than 4,200 upvotes. (Facebook cover image: sturti)
Image credits: vgajic (not the actual photo)
“If a medical professional asks your sex/gender (however you perceive it being asked is irrelevant) TELL THEM”
The inspiration for oldfishnewfish’s rant struck after they had an aggressive patient who was ‘triggered’ by questions about their biological gender. These questions were necessary to do thorough health issues check-up, and were not intended to make anyone feel threatened or unwanted.
According to the healthcare professional, knowing whether a person is born male or female is necessary. People who get overly defensive or openly aggressive are hurting not only themselves but also those trying to help them.
Most Imgur users supported oldfishnewfish’s viewpoint. Among those commenting were transgender people who highlighted that they, too, believe it’s important to tell doctors your biological sex immediately.
However, revealing their biological sex is very difficult for some people. Especially when the gender they identify with doesn’t match the sex, they were born as. According to Head to Health, “many transgender people hide their gender expression in public for fear of negative reactions, violence or discrimination.” Head to Health also notes that “transgender people experience high rates of physical and non-physical abuse,” which helps explain why far from everyone is happy when faced with questions about their sex.
Oldfishnewfish stated that it’s important to respect patients if their gender doesn’t match their sex: “I need to know if you’re a male or female. I need to know if you’re susceptible to certain diseases or ailments, how your symptoms may be derived from those diseases or ailments, and most importantly, how to treat those diseases or ailments,” oldfishnewfish explained.
Internet users had this to say about oldfishnewfish’s rant
The Journal of the American Medical Association writes that the term ‘sex’ is considered biological and physiological, while ‘gender’ “comprises the social, environmental, cultural, and behavioral factors and choices that influence a person’s self-identity and health.”
Meanwhile, the National Center for Biotechnology Information notes that “men and women are alike in many ways. However, there are important biological and behavioural differences between the two genders. They affect manifestation, epidemiology and pathophysiology of many widespread diseases and the approach to health care.”
Psychology Today argues that “denying men’s and women’s different psychologies is not merely a denial of reality; it has serious health consequences for significant segments of the population.” Here are a few differences between men and women, according to Psychology Today: women are more empathic; men feel sexual jealousy more acutely; men are more aggressive and more adventurous; men are taller; women are better at remembering objects on a map, while men are better at rotating objects in their minds.
Whatever your views on this topic are, just remember the Golden Rule: treat others as you would want to be treated. And keep in mind that medical professionals especially deserve to be treated with respect. They’re trying to save your life, after all.
Good luck with using the biological vs. social argument...a large chunk of these people actually believe bio sex is socially constructed, while gender is innate. These views are so wrapped it's hard to make a rational argument when your opponent is basically denying reality.
I have yet to meet a trans/non-binary person who thinks the way you described. Sure there may be a few, but surely they don't represent all of who you call "these people"
No where in my post did I say I think the kind of behaviour/views described here are representative of all trans people.
Not only have I met some like that, but read things like that on Alternet (and other far left-wing sites) and a few c-list gender studies journals. It has gotten politicized to the point there are those who go that far. Some, not all, but more than you think
Exactly!
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Please, don't refer to any group of people as 'these people' or 'those people'. It's a way of 'othering' entire groups of human beings, and can encourage a dehumanizing attitude. Especially with groups who are already discriminated against for things they can't help.
One example of this problem is planned parenthood. A transwoman can walk in who is biologically male, and if they show up positive on a pregnancy test no one tells them they can't be. this is important because for a male if they do a pregnancy test and it shows up positive it is a sign of testicular cancer. Steven Crowder actually tested this and filmed the whole thing if you dont believe me look it up on youtube. they even allowed him to plan an abortion, when it was very cery clear he was biologically male. what is happening to this world
The scary part is not only the testicular cancer, but the fact that this biological man thinking he might be pregnant is a psychiatric symptom as well. Would they likewise respect a man who would claim he is Napoleon and thus must be treated with utmost respect?
He purposely did it to test the system
Its All a psychological issue
Yeah I don't understand why we ignore basic biology and allow these people to live in their delusion. I understand that some people can present as male/female but can have xx/xy chromosomes even though they look like the opposite sex but this condition is extremely rare. People who have feel transgender should have to submit to a DNA test and if it shows they are truly have xx chromosomes but physical present as male then yes let them have a sex change its a birth defect. If not then refer them onto a psychiatrist they have extreme body dysmorphic disorder and need help before they begin self mutilating. Case in point some one who wants to have a sex change that doesnt have a genetic condition is like a person that can ambulate wanting the Dr to cut their legs off so they can get around in a wheelchair. No md in his right mind would do that no different.
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There was a documentary on PBS where a woman converted to male but then decades later, the testosterone was feeding his cancer, so she had to announce she'd been and was reverting to a woman. She is(?) the head of a small east coast municipal power company. I can't recall the details.
And how where they planning to perform the abortion...?
No transwoman believes she could be pregnant! Someone "asking for a pregnancy test to test the system" is a one in a million exception! Such a case is neglectable.
the problem isn't that is happens, the problem is that planned parenthood didnt bat an eye or question the guy when he tested the system. that in itself is shocking
Planned Parenthood has to due it for legal issues. They've been sued for denying services in a similar case. (Its BS but sadly they have to do what they can to protect the clinic when so many people are trying to shut it down)
they dont have to deny service to someone to inform them there is a serious risk of cancer. they dont have to deny them service to clarify their biological sex either.
that will only be correct if they are yet to undergo SRS, ie they still actually have those testicles on them. But yeah, its a good example.
"for a male if they do a pregnancy test and it shows up positive it is a sign of testicular cancer" ... have you seen that on any serious medical site ?
Pregnancy tests detect beta human chorionic gonadotropin, a hormone in the blood and the urine produced by the developing placenta. Experts say beta hCG can also signal testicular cancer. There are very few things in the body that produce beta hCG, and testicular cancer is one of them
yes I have, and it has happened before in real life. If you google it you will find multiple articles on how a man actually did this as a joke, and found out that he had testicular tumors as a result.
I'm not saying it's the most reliable way of knowing, but the fact that it means there's even a chance of cancer should raise a lot of red flags
yes. Testicular cancer cells tend to excrete female hormones. Just their quirk, by which they can be reliably detected.
Transat - article in The Lancet medical journal in 1990. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(90)92761-6/fulltext
On what serious medical site (eg cancer.net) have you seen this ? When you google this, some fact-checking sites confirm that the story of this guy and his joke might be true, but also stress that this doesn't at all make this a reliable way to detect testicular cancer.
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Men being positive for pregnancy is Cancer? Interesting. Havent you watched Junior with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
I'll trust medicine and science over hollywood
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Amberly, a trans woman is not a "he" or "him". Please edit or delete your comment. Planned Parenthood is actually a pretty valuable resource for trans people, as their staff are accepting and supportive. This is probably a very rare occurrence.
i said that it was a male pretending to be trans to test the sytem, hense why I said he. and when I use pronouns I am referring to the persons biological sex.
It was someone pretending to be a trans woman, apparently, to test the system.
When it comes to your health, and any associated treatments, I must agree with the spirit of the article/rant and a great many likeminded commentators. Giving inaccurate information (of ANY kind) is dangerous, and only results in delays and the danger of misdiagnosis.
Exactly, and giving the wrong information can result in improper treatment, (which can be dangerous) and can lead to medical malpractice.
Good luck with using the biological vs. social argument...a large chunk of these people actually believe bio sex is socially constructed, while gender is innate. These views are so wrapped it's hard to make a rational argument when your opponent is basically denying reality.
I have yet to meet a trans/non-binary person who thinks the way you described. Sure there may be a few, but surely they don't represent all of who you call "these people"
No where in my post did I say I think the kind of behaviour/views described here are representative of all trans people.
Not only have I met some like that, but read things like that on Alternet (and other far left-wing sites) and a few c-list gender studies journals. It has gotten politicized to the point there are those who go that far. Some, not all, but more than you think
Exactly!
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Please, don't refer to any group of people as 'these people' or 'those people'. It's a way of 'othering' entire groups of human beings, and can encourage a dehumanizing attitude. Especially with groups who are already discriminated against for things they can't help.
One example of this problem is planned parenthood. A transwoman can walk in who is biologically male, and if they show up positive on a pregnancy test no one tells them they can't be. this is important because for a male if they do a pregnancy test and it shows up positive it is a sign of testicular cancer. Steven Crowder actually tested this and filmed the whole thing if you dont believe me look it up on youtube. they even allowed him to plan an abortion, when it was very cery clear he was biologically male. what is happening to this world
The scary part is not only the testicular cancer, but the fact that this biological man thinking he might be pregnant is a psychiatric symptom as well. Would they likewise respect a man who would claim he is Napoleon and thus must be treated with utmost respect?
He purposely did it to test the system
Its All a psychological issue
Yeah I don't understand why we ignore basic biology and allow these people to live in their delusion. I understand that some people can present as male/female but can have xx/xy chromosomes even though they look like the opposite sex but this condition is extremely rare. People who have feel transgender should have to submit to a DNA test and if it shows they are truly have xx chromosomes but physical present as male then yes let them have a sex change its a birth defect. If not then refer them onto a psychiatrist they have extreme body dysmorphic disorder and need help before they begin self mutilating. Case in point some one who wants to have a sex change that doesnt have a genetic condition is like a person that can ambulate wanting the Dr to cut their legs off so they can get around in a wheelchair. No md in his right mind would do that no different.
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There was a documentary on PBS where a woman converted to male but then decades later, the testosterone was feeding his cancer, so she had to announce she'd been and was reverting to a woman. She is(?) the head of a small east coast municipal power company. I can't recall the details.
And how where they planning to perform the abortion...?
No transwoman believes she could be pregnant! Someone "asking for a pregnancy test to test the system" is a one in a million exception! Such a case is neglectable.
the problem isn't that is happens, the problem is that planned parenthood didnt bat an eye or question the guy when he tested the system. that in itself is shocking
Planned Parenthood has to due it for legal issues. They've been sued for denying services in a similar case. (Its BS but sadly they have to do what they can to protect the clinic when so many people are trying to shut it down)
they dont have to deny service to someone to inform them there is a serious risk of cancer. they dont have to deny them service to clarify their biological sex either.
that will only be correct if they are yet to undergo SRS, ie they still actually have those testicles on them. But yeah, its a good example.
"for a male if they do a pregnancy test and it shows up positive it is a sign of testicular cancer" ... have you seen that on any serious medical site ?
Pregnancy tests detect beta human chorionic gonadotropin, a hormone in the blood and the urine produced by the developing placenta. Experts say beta hCG can also signal testicular cancer. There are very few things in the body that produce beta hCG, and testicular cancer is one of them
yes I have, and it has happened before in real life. If you google it you will find multiple articles on how a man actually did this as a joke, and found out that he had testicular tumors as a result.
I'm not saying it's the most reliable way of knowing, but the fact that it means there's even a chance of cancer should raise a lot of red flags
yes. Testicular cancer cells tend to excrete female hormones. Just their quirk, by which they can be reliably detected.
Transat - article in The Lancet medical journal in 1990. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(90)92761-6/fulltext
On what serious medical site (eg cancer.net) have you seen this ? When you google this, some fact-checking sites confirm that the story of this guy and his joke might be true, but also stress that this doesn't at all make this a reliable way to detect testicular cancer.
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Men being positive for pregnancy is Cancer? Interesting. Havent you watched Junior with Arnold Schwarzenegger?
I'll trust medicine and science over hollywood
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Amberly, a trans woman is not a "he" or "him". Please edit or delete your comment. Planned Parenthood is actually a pretty valuable resource for trans people, as their staff are accepting and supportive. This is probably a very rare occurrence.
i said that it was a male pretending to be trans to test the sytem, hense why I said he. and when I use pronouns I am referring to the persons biological sex.
It was someone pretending to be a trans woman, apparently, to test the system.
When it comes to your health, and any associated treatments, I must agree with the spirit of the article/rant and a great many likeminded commentators. Giving inaccurate information (of ANY kind) is dangerous, and only results in delays and the danger of misdiagnosis.
Exactly, and giving the wrong information can result in improper treatment, (which can be dangerous) and can lead to medical malpractice.