Sexist Man Says Only “Men Of The West” Can Create Such Amazing Sculpture, Gets Response He Doesn’t Expect
Sipping wine and wearing a beret isn’t enough if you want to become an art critic. In order to write about sculpture, for example, you must learn everything there is to know about the craft: its history, significance, trends, key figures, sculptural techniques, etc. Or you can at least Google the artist when you’re discussing their work on the internet because you might make a complete fool out of yourself. Like this guy did.
When Ivan Throne shared a picture of what he believes to be art, he added his own opinion about it. A quite strong opinion. But if you want your ballsy claims to stand a chance against the internet, you need to back them up with concrete facts. Scroll down to check out why everyone needs to double-check everything they post!
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This sculpture is creating a lot of buzz online
Although their party quickly ended when someone pointed out its actual origins
The artist behind this sculpture is Luo Li Rong
She studied at the Academy of Fine Arts of Beijing, and even did a few sculptures for the 2008 Olympics!
Other people also felt the need to share their opinions about the story
"Oh, it's pretty! Americans must have done it!" That is just such stupid logic
He's an idiot, but he didn't say Americans must have done it. He said it was from the West. The West includes a lot more than the USA.
Load More Replies...I see her absolutely amazing work and it reminds me I have zero artistic talent.
Don't worry, you are not alone :D On a other note, if you look quickly, it looks like a drawning put in an actual photo
Load More Replies...Exactly ! But the answer killed two birds with one stone, she's a woman and she's Asian... So I hope he has learnt his lesson
Load More Replies...guy has access to internet, fails to know how to use it before stating 'facts'. idiot.
yeah yeah all people are some kind of "ist". Quick question -does anyone here like the uncoloured version of the sculpture better than the coloured one? or is it just me. BTW the details are amazing...
"Men of the West"? What is it with all these bisexual men circlejerking each other's machismos?
"Cristo velato" -Giuseppe Sanmartino, 1753 . Marble like silk. 1_1-5a9e96...0f20be.jpg
Ivan Throne has an entire series of photos of himself, quoting himself. I feel like this should a meme.
Wild guess - It is years since i worked with clay - and techniques have moved on - She used the correct fabric for the job. Then filled it up with slip clay - runny but thick fluid - to saturate the cloth. Then spot baked in. This is an extrapolation from what I was taught *many* years ago. Lots of technique and knowledge to get this right so it doesn't crack. ..... so major respect how ever it was done.
That woman has true talent. I can't sculpt or draw to save my life, but art like this sparks the imagination. I also don't know a lot about art. I see something I like, I just like it. I don't analyze it and try and decipher what the artist was thinking.
For some reason, oriental artists almost always produce their subjects as Western. Why is this? This woman lives in Brussels, but certainly not all Asian artists. :O
Oriental artists do primarily produce work featuring subjects from their own race/country/heritage. But it's the ones that depict western subjects that tend to get the attention of the western audience, therefore they get shared by that audience, and so people in the west only see those and assume it's all the artist ever create. Nobody's fault really, we gravitate towards things that are similar to us.
Load More Replies...Is he aware that "art" comes from more regions than just the West? Is he aware that *gasp* WOMEN can create this mystical thing called "art"? And BEAUTIFUL "art" too (as this sculpture proves)? But I believe the most important question is, is his head stuck too far up his a*s to read a book?
This is by far the most beautiful sculpture that I have even seen!
I have absolutely no talent in the arts so want to know how did Luo Li Rong create the transparent/translucent gown?
As a non-artist, how did Lou Li Rong create the translucent/transparent gown on the sculpture?
They use those metal tubes to beat people to hospital, it makes horrible mess. Thse kind of painting are not rare, put sculpture and be real human inside she has only put thin layer of clay to it. It is called sculpture because there is scull inside :) Marbel sculptures are not so suspicious and demand more skills.
These kind of paintings are not rare, every another draws erotic images, put erotic real size sculptures are rare, it can be real human inside she has only put thin layer of clay to it.
Load More Replies...I want to know what she's doing with the blowtorch, assuming it's something to do with the colouring of the dress that she's doing.
At first I was like "that doesn't seem so sexist" I mean a lot of times I say man, or men, to refer to humans in general, but that second post closes the deal
Seems to me he was just talking about the woman. The fact she is of western descent and that men of the west fight and die to protect their women. Nowhere in his comments did I see anything that made me feel like he was saying only someone from the west could have created it or that it was created by a man.
Why were they so arrogant and presuming this was done by a male without even knowing simple, easily-attainable facts? gad, so ridiculous.
She has amazing talent. I have got to look for the finished pics. The way she did the hair and the flowing dress are just incredible.
I'd just like to point out that as slang a 'john' (the English version of Ivan) and 'throne' are both euphemisms for a toilet. Appropriate, given that like the OP, they're full of s**t.
As far as I am concerned, when I looked at that sculpture, my first thought and instinct was that, "A woman must have done that." She has captured the feminine form in a way that I havent seen any man do before...and its is so elegant and beautiful!
Who is this Ivan idiot? So wrong on both counts, that he believes only men sculpt like this, and western men at that. To praise it as "an act of worship before heaven" but not actually be interested enough to find out who the artist was.
It's not art in the sense it doesn't reveal a secret or show us to ourselves or give us a different point of view. It is more like commercial fantasy art. As such it is imbued with many cultural cliches of what the perception of beauty in a woman is and that includes a sexualised view of woman. Personally I think it is a bit tacky. Very well executed but uninspiring.
My thought was before I ever read any comments:"Pretty but kinda kitschy". However, it's a display of excellent craftsmanship. If I had to judge by five-star categories, it'd be 5 for anatomy, 5 for (the illusion of) textures, 5 for dynamic posing, 5 for painting, and 3 for vision.
Load More Replies...Generalising a bit there aren't you? Men, women and other genders from all parts of the world are capable of being embarassments.
Load More Replies...(Just so you know, you don't have to make a whole new comment. You can respond to your own comment in order to finish a thought.)
Load More Replies...The point of the article is not completely about what style it is, it is more about the gender of he sculptor and the assumptions the commenter made. Also, as much as it is attractive to assume that the "Hollywood" culture hates Western Civilization culture, that is only the worst representative of the more culturally accepting groups. We just want to bring in the wonders of the other cultures of the world, only the worst of us vilify Euro-American culture. I understand your POV, but maybe take a closer look next time you comment.
Load More Replies..."Oh, it's pretty! Americans must have done it!" That is just such stupid logic
He's an idiot, but he didn't say Americans must have done it. He said it was from the West. The West includes a lot more than the USA.
Load More Replies...I see her absolutely amazing work and it reminds me I have zero artistic talent.
Don't worry, you are not alone :D On a other note, if you look quickly, it looks like a drawning put in an actual photo
Load More Replies...Exactly ! But the answer killed two birds with one stone, she's a woman and she's Asian... So I hope he has learnt his lesson
Load More Replies...guy has access to internet, fails to know how to use it before stating 'facts'. idiot.
yeah yeah all people are some kind of "ist". Quick question -does anyone here like the uncoloured version of the sculpture better than the coloured one? or is it just me. BTW the details are amazing...
"Men of the West"? What is it with all these bisexual men circlejerking each other's machismos?
"Cristo velato" -Giuseppe Sanmartino, 1753 . Marble like silk. 1_1-5a9e96...0f20be.jpg
Ivan Throne has an entire series of photos of himself, quoting himself. I feel like this should a meme.
Wild guess - It is years since i worked with clay - and techniques have moved on - She used the correct fabric for the job. Then filled it up with slip clay - runny but thick fluid - to saturate the cloth. Then spot baked in. This is an extrapolation from what I was taught *many* years ago. Lots of technique and knowledge to get this right so it doesn't crack. ..... so major respect how ever it was done.
That woman has true talent. I can't sculpt or draw to save my life, but art like this sparks the imagination. I also don't know a lot about art. I see something I like, I just like it. I don't analyze it and try and decipher what the artist was thinking.
For some reason, oriental artists almost always produce their subjects as Western. Why is this? This woman lives in Brussels, but certainly not all Asian artists. :O
Oriental artists do primarily produce work featuring subjects from their own race/country/heritage. But it's the ones that depict western subjects that tend to get the attention of the western audience, therefore they get shared by that audience, and so people in the west only see those and assume it's all the artist ever create. Nobody's fault really, we gravitate towards things that are similar to us.
Load More Replies...Is he aware that "art" comes from more regions than just the West? Is he aware that *gasp* WOMEN can create this mystical thing called "art"? And BEAUTIFUL "art" too (as this sculpture proves)? But I believe the most important question is, is his head stuck too far up his a*s to read a book?
This is by far the most beautiful sculpture that I have even seen!
I have absolutely no talent in the arts so want to know how did Luo Li Rong create the transparent/translucent gown?
As a non-artist, how did Lou Li Rong create the translucent/transparent gown on the sculpture?
They use those metal tubes to beat people to hospital, it makes horrible mess. Thse kind of painting are not rare, put sculpture and be real human inside she has only put thin layer of clay to it. It is called sculpture because there is scull inside :) Marbel sculptures are not so suspicious and demand more skills.
These kind of paintings are not rare, every another draws erotic images, put erotic real size sculptures are rare, it can be real human inside she has only put thin layer of clay to it.
Load More Replies...I want to know what she's doing with the blowtorch, assuming it's something to do with the colouring of the dress that she's doing.
At first I was like "that doesn't seem so sexist" I mean a lot of times I say man, or men, to refer to humans in general, but that second post closes the deal
Seems to me he was just talking about the woman. The fact she is of western descent and that men of the west fight and die to protect their women. Nowhere in his comments did I see anything that made me feel like he was saying only someone from the west could have created it or that it was created by a man.
Why were they so arrogant and presuming this was done by a male without even knowing simple, easily-attainable facts? gad, so ridiculous.
She has amazing talent. I have got to look for the finished pics. The way she did the hair and the flowing dress are just incredible.
I'd just like to point out that as slang a 'john' (the English version of Ivan) and 'throne' are both euphemisms for a toilet. Appropriate, given that like the OP, they're full of s**t.
As far as I am concerned, when I looked at that sculpture, my first thought and instinct was that, "A woman must have done that." She has captured the feminine form in a way that I havent seen any man do before...and its is so elegant and beautiful!
Who is this Ivan idiot? So wrong on both counts, that he believes only men sculpt like this, and western men at that. To praise it as "an act of worship before heaven" but not actually be interested enough to find out who the artist was.
It's not art in the sense it doesn't reveal a secret or show us to ourselves or give us a different point of view. It is more like commercial fantasy art. As such it is imbued with many cultural cliches of what the perception of beauty in a woman is and that includes a sexualised view of woman. Personally I think it is a bit tacky. Very well executed but uninspiring.
My thought was before I ever read any comments:"Pretty but kinda kitschy". However, it's a display of excellent craftsmanship. If I had to judge by five-star categories, it'd be 5 for anatomy, 5 for (the illusion of) textures, 5 for dynamic posing, 5 for painting, and 3 for vision.
Load More Replies...Generalising a bit there aren't you? Men, women and other genders from all parts of the world are capable of being embarassments.
Load More Replies...(Just so you know, you don't have to make a whole new comment. You can respond to your own comment in order to finish a thought.)
Load More Replies...The point of the article is not completely about what style it is, it is more about the gender of he sculptor and the assumptions the commenter made. Also, as much as it is attractive to assume that the "Hollywood" culture hates Western Civilization culture, that is only the worst representative of the more culturally accepting groups. We just want to bring in the wonders of the other cultures of the world, only the worst of us vilify Euro-American culture. I understand your POV, but maybe take a closer look next time you comment.
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