This Programmer Was Asked To Do ~40 Hours Work For Free, And His Brilliant Response Goes Viral
Remember when we wrote about how people just assume that artists should work for exposure? Well, turns out some people assume the same about programmers.
Recently, Zach Zundel was asked to do coding/backend work for free and he was not happy about it. “Lmao sorry friendaloo but if you want me to write you a couple thousand lines of code you get to profit from forever it’s gonna cost you,” Zach tweeted. In fact, not only was he asked to do ~40 hours of work for free, but the person asking for his work got angry when Zach didn’t agree! Zach posted his conversation on Twitter and it has gone viral since, with over 15k retweets and 48k likes. Check it out below!
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This programmer just got an interesting request to develop an app:
He posted the conversation on Twitter where it’s since been retweeted almost 16k times and liked by 48k people
However, the person who tried to get a programmer work for free was clearly not impressed by the exposure
Most people were quick to praise the programmer
What do you think about this situation? Comment below!
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Share on FacebookThe way the customer takes the programmer's refusal to work for free reminds me of those a-holes who can't accept refusal from a potential love interest.
Precisely. Guy: Show me your tits. Girl: No. Guy: F**k you you ugly b***h go to the gym if you hate yourself so much. Girl: ???
Load More Replies...What people today, especially the "I'm entitled" crowd, fail to realize is that the concept of "Supply and Demand" is based on a two way process where goods and services, "Of Equal Value" are Willingly exchanged between the two parties. Many think they are "entitled" to get something for nothing. That's not the way the universe works. :O
I work in design and marketing and used to get this stuff all the time. The last time I got this kind of 'work for the exposure' I would say 'Ok, but I need to see your business plan, market research and be a part of any company decisions since my work is now part of your business. We should also discuss all of our compensation when this does go big. When it does, we should all be made rich since we're working on it for nothing.' The guy never called me back...funny how that happened....
What the customer is really saying: I have an idea (That's the hard part, my work is done) Can you make the program do x (Is it possible?) For exposure (I'll tell everyone I know a sucker that works for free) or If it gets big (Not sure if it will work and don't want to pay to find out. Also I need someone to blame if it fails), Then we can talk stock options (like giving you the option to buy my stock). It's your chance to get in on the ground floor (without you, there's no business). It's a chance of a lifetime (my chance, my lifetime). You'll be sorry you missed out (on giving up 40+ hours of your life to make me rich, maybe). Okay, but don't steal my idea (that isn't worth paying to develop) or I'll sue you (I don't have money to pay you, but I have a huge slush fund to pay a lawyer).
That customer started off as a slimeball and went downhill from there. The second he used foul language, he lost any power he had. We all know who the REAL professional is in this exchange!
My dad is a photographer and will sometimes massively reduce his prices for those who obviously can not afford him but have a good idea/cause. Other than that, no one works for free.
And that's reasonable. If someone can't afford services, it's fine to see if a better payment plan can be placed or a discount/rate reduction. But to ask for free work (especially if it's going to make the client money rather than be for a good/selfless cause) is a slap in the face.
Load More Replies...Yeap, I wonder if he tried the "exposure" stuff on his house builder, the guy he bought his car to, his tour operator, his grocer... Some people really need to understand that the stupid one is not the one refusing to work for free.
Load More Replies...Musicians live with this constantly. "Come do a showcase!" "Do this one show for exposure and I'll book you better gigs." "Work for the jar at the front door." Problem is, some are so desperate, they accept and thereby devalue us all and make it harder for everyone, including themselves to be compensated appropriately.
same with designers, devaluing us all so that people won't pay for good design
Load More Replies...I wonder if that mystery guy works for free too (for the exposure)... or if that's just for *other* people.
I think clients think of designers like product in supermarkets; "when is the sale?" "How can I get out of this cheaply?" "I'll just try it out and return." Recently I made a logo desing for an investment company website, he went silent after receiving the design, looked at his website and it's there, the logo I made, proudly put big on front page. The big irony here is, he deals basically in money and can't make himself to pay 69 usd for a professional logo desing. Blah
Resend their invoice again one last time by recorded mail so they have to sign for it. Give them 30 days. Warn them at 31 days. Warn at 60.
Load More Replies...The way the customer takes the programmer's refusal to work for free reminds me of those a-holes who can't accept refusal from a potential love interest.
Precisely. Guy: Show me your tits. Girl: No. Guy: F**k you you ugly b***h go to the gym if you hate yourself so much. Girl: ???
Load More Replies...What people today, especially the "I'm entitled" crowd, fail to realize is that the concept of "Supply and Demand" is based on a two way process where goods and services, "Of Equal Value" are Willingly exchanged between the two parties. Many think they are "entitled" to get something for nothing. That's not the way the universe works. :O
I work in design and marketing and used to get this stuff all the time. The last time I got this kind of 'work for the exposure' I would say 'Ok, but I need to see your business plan, market research and be a part of any company decisions since my work is now part of your business. We should also discuss all of our compensation when this does go big. When it does, we should all be made rich since we're working on it for nothing.' The guy never called me back...funny how that happened....
What the customer is really saying: I have an idea (That's the hard part, my work is done) Can you make the program do x (Is it possible?) For exposure (I'll tell everyone I know a sucker that works for free) or If it gets big (Not sure if it will work and don't want to pay to find out. Also I need someone to blame if it fails), Then we can talk stock options (like giving you the option to buy my stock). It's your chance to get in on the ground floor (without you, there's no business). It's a chance of a lifetime (my chance, my lifetime). You'll be sorry you missed out (on giving up 40+ hours of your life to make me rich, maybe). Okay, but don't steal my idea (that isn't worth paying to develop) or I'll sue you (I don't have money to pay you, but I have a huge slush fund to pay a lawyer).
That customer started off as a slimeball and went downhill from there. The second he used foul language, he lost any power he had. We all know who the REAL professional is in this exchange!
My dad is a photographer and will sometimes massively reduce his prices for those who obviously can not afford him but have a good idea/cause. Other than that, no one works for free.
And that's reasonable. If someone can't afford services, it's fine to see if a better payment plan can be placed or a discount/rate reduction. But to ask for free work (especially if it's going to make the client money rather than be for a good/selfless cause) is a slap in the face.
Load More Replies...Yeap, I wonder if he tried the "exposure" stuff on his house builder, the guy he bought his car to, his tour operator, his grocer... Some people really need to understand that the stupid one is not the one refusing to work for free.
Load More Replies...Musicians live with this constantly. "Come do a showcase!" "Do this one show for exposure and I'll book you better gigs." "Work for the jar at the front door." Problem is, some are so desperate, they accept and thereby devalue us all and make it harder for everyone, including themselves to be compensated appropriately.
same with designers, devaluing us all so that people won't pay for good design
Load More Replies...I wonder if that mystery guy works for free too (for the exposure)... or if that's just for *other* people.
I think clients think of designers like product in supermarkets; "when is the sale?" "How can I get out of this cheaply?" "I'll just try it out and return." Recently I made a logo desing for an investment company website, he went silent after receiving the design, looked at his website and it's there, the logo I made, proudly put big on front page. The big irony here is, he deals basically in money and can't make himself to pay 69 usd for a professional logo desing. Blah
Resend their invoice again one last time by recorded mail so they have to sign for it. Give them 30 days. Warn them at 31 days. Warn at 60.
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