“Am I The Jerk For Refusing To Wax A Trans Woman Because I Didn’t Want To Touch Male Genitalia?”
Reddit user Tricky-Development89 is a licensed esthetician and she takes great pride in the fact that she’s her own employer—the woman owns a waxing salon.
However, a recent incident has prompted her to question the way she approaches her business.
In an earnest post on the subreddit ‘AITAH,’ the beauty procedure specialist explained that she had to turn down a client because of their body.
The client was a trans woman who, as their conversation revealed, still had male genitalia, and the Redditor wasn’t comfortable with that. She offered to find someone who was, but the person simply walked out and left her feeling uneasy about their interaction.
So Tricky-Development89 told the story online and asked people to help her make sense of the situation.
This woman has been running her own waxing salon but recently had to turn down an LGBTQ+ customer
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However, she can’t forget their conflict
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The story has received a lot of reactions
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Look, the fact that the husband keeps being brought into this is cringe. If your husband is threatened by you touching a trans woman's genitals as part of your work, that's an interesting relationship dynamic and one that makes me incredibly grateful for who I married. The woman keeps trying to sell this as not being personal, but then bringing it back to being a personal aversion. If it was purely a professional concern, all she would have needed to say was "I'm not experienced or trained in waxing penises and I'm concerned that could put you at risk so I'm sorry, I don't feel comfortable that I'm the best person to perform this waxing".
Personal aversion - yep, fine > professional concern - definitely > but I agree the husband thing is weird, no touching a penis but okay to forage around a lesbian's lady parts?
Load More Replies...I remember the news stories about a trans person called Jessica Yaniv who used to purposely book intimate waxing appointments with Muslim owned salons, when they were refused service Jessica would sue them.
Jessica Yaniv's racial and sexual abuse harassment campaigns against Muslim women are very well-documented all over the mainstream and left wing press, including in countries where Fox News doesn't even exist.
Load More Replies...If she doesn't do male genitalia, then she needs to advertise as such. Problem solved. Otherwise, she does appear transphobic. I do need clarification though. Why does it matter to her husband if she waxes male genitalia? It's in a professional setting. If she's professional enough to wax women, why can't she be professional enough to wax men? Is her husband trying to control her? If she has an aversion to male genitalia, why blame her husband?
Yes, the moment she brought in her personal feelings regarding her husband she made it personal. If she had just said "I am so sorry, I wish you had told me when you booked as I am not trained on male genitalia, and don't want to risk hurting you, but here are the people that I recommend" it would have been fine.
Load More Replies...The explanation that she wanted to ensure the client's comfort and safety was just fine and all that was needed. All the "out of respect for my husband" gives me the heebie jeebies. Like if she were a nurse he'd storm into the hospital and demand she not help male patients. it makes her sound culty and gross. Spas usually serve everyone - not just biological women.
YTA not for declining, but because of the personal reasons which were unnecessary and could be heard as "Penis makes me and husband see you as a man". You should have concentrated on the professional reasons. "It takes a different method to wax a penis and s*****m, and I don't have the necessary training and experience to provide this service safely. I'm happy to help you find a esthetician who is. I can do (other services) if you are interested in using your appointment slot for any of those." Also, update your service list to specify "female genitalia" in the Brazilian section.
Now I have a picture in my head of my saggy ball covered in wax. It hurts just to think it.
Weird reasoning. Seems like the practical concern (no experience) would be a bigger concern than the husband's stance on the developed state of the genital tubercle.
Just put a sign up "We do not wax c***s". Seriously though, show me the law where it says you have to touch a penis you don't want to.
Trans people can be so closed-minded sometimes, the exact opposite of what they think they are. Not all, but it's the loud minority we always hear about, while the open-minded one don't get people upset, so we don't hear from them much.
Not wanting to be forced to touch penises against your will =/= discriminating against LGBTQ people.
Once again the issue was never that she didn't provide the service, it's that she wouldn't just leave it at that, she had to insist that it was for personal reasons, even if she knew how to do it she wouldn't.
Load More Replies...I was in the NTA camp until she made all these weird, cringey excuses for why she couldn't do the service, and I switched to ESH. If you're not trained, you're not trained, and that's what you tell people. Not "oh, my husband doesn't let me touch " or any of your personal hangups. If you're a professional, make sure that all of your advertising material states what services you do provide. So yeah, everyone sucks here. Including a lot of BP's commentariat. And while I'm at it, enough with this "biological woman" rubbish. Biology is not a binary.
I agree that her husband shouldn't be a factor, but I think it is fair to differentiate in biology like I'm non-binary and use they/them I have a friend also non-binary and uses they them but I was assigned female at birth and they were assigned male at birth even though we have the same gender identity there are things different between me and my friend. I don't think people should be discriminatory but I wouldn't ask that friend to borrow a tampon nor would I ask that of my trans female friend she is very nice but I highly doubt she would have one while my biologically female friend usually will. Have a lovely day and a happy pride month.
Load More Replies...YTA not for declining the client but for bringing your husband and your judgement nto it. Why would you say that? If you don't have the expertise to do a professional job, that's absolutely a good reason to decline a client. No further explanation is necessary, it's health and safety. Launching into a speech about how you don't like male genitals and you promised your husband not to touch them is beyond rude. You shouldn't ick someone's body for things outwith their control. From your work you know people are sensitive about their genitalia and often have anxiety about it, you don't think this is even more the case for trans people? And she doesn't need to hear about how your husband thinks she's different to other women, no matter what your opinion is. A professional no, and I'll give you a rec would have been respectful and acceptable. YTA for begining nonprofessional aspects into the interaction.
nta! your not a professional in that field so the patient could get hurt, also THIS IS YOU SETTING BOUNDARIES! IT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION! (i am a trans man)
There's a big difference between male and female genitalia. If you're not trained properly, you could cause physical harm. Obviously, it's not stated in your forms, male/female when it comes to waxing. You need to add that. You need someone specifically trained for waxing males. I think what got you in trouble was the sexist and misogynistic part of "out of respect for my husband". Waxing isn't sexual in ANY way, unless you make it that way, or imply it. Which you implied by claiming it's all about your husband. It's a wax job, not a hand job. You simply say that you're not trained for it, but I know who is, would you like their phone number?
A brazilian is done differently on different sets of genitals, and without proper training an aesthetician could severely hurt the client if it's performed incorrectly - as in put her in the hospital level of hurting her. Boundaries and prevention of injury are necessities for both professional and client. Note somewhere perhaps that you're only trained for one type of brazilian waxing, maybe see if there are other local aestheticians that are trained in other gentitalia waxing?
Some people actually believe that not wanting to have sex with a trans person is transphobic
Anyone saying yta is out of their minds, trying to defend someone ELSE that chose to expose themselves to a women who was not prepared. Doesn't matter if "she's a professional", she does not have to give service to anyone for any reason. She's not discriminating for no reason, she did not want to touch a random person's penis, and felt compelled to give too many reasons because of (ahem, YOU ALL) people that will automatically defend the women just because she's trans. Being part of any group does not exclude you from laws governing sexual harassment and indescent exposure, no matter how many Internet points you get from people who have nothing to do with the situation
Shes a bit of an AH for her bringing her husband into it, as that just adds a whole bunch of uncomfortsble aspects to it. But not for refusing to perform ot or her other reasons.
Load More Replies...Ok the reasoning isl off, you don't tell a clients that it's because of an agreement with husband because that sexualizes the job. She the AH for those reasons. If she told Alex that she doesn't have training to safely do male genitalia that different, it's professional, not personal and doesn't make a client feel bad about themselves.
The way she refused was wrong. "I'm not comfortable touching genetalia in this manner that isnt the same kind as mine" Fine. "Im not trained on your kind of genitalia" Better! "Out of respect for my husband i won't do this clearly non sexual service for you because it actually IS sexual"??? Yeah no. Just leave it at "I'm only comfortable perfotming it on the kind of genitalia i share."
What a marriage! She doesn't like touching male genitals, and he can tell her who she can touch. Are the straights ok?
I would seriously doubt the real intentions of a Transwoman that gives you no warning, no phone discussion or even doesn't makes any enquiries about what you are qualified to do. To just 'turn up' and expect you to wax his balls and d**k whilst knowing you wax women's parts is either wanting to get off on you doing it, or wants to just make a fuss. Tons of salons out there that can do both or are unisex etc. OP is totally right. Doesn't even owe him an explanation just ' I'm not qualified to do that' and that's sufficient. Why the need to embarrass and humiliate a woman like that in her profession, seriously?
As its mentioned, most places ARE unisex, so in giving her the benefit of thr doubt in assuming OP's place was too... and then got upset when OP made the implication this was a sexual thing.
Load More Replies...I'd never tell anyone how to run their business, but all this nonsense about the waxing being "different" is exactly that - nonsense. You still use all the same waxing techniques that you would on female body parts, there are just less folds to work around. I wouldn't go so far as to say "YTA", but the excuses given for not doing it just aren't great.
I feel like I'm the only one who's going to say that yes, YTA. Not because you aren't sure how to do it; you could hurt someone if you do it wrong and as mad as she was I'm glad you didn't try to wing it. But YTA because you're offering a service to the PUBLIC that you are choosing to only offer to a select few by willful ignorance. If you offer a service, then it's up to you to know how to do that for anyone who walks in. If I were black and I went to your salon and you tell me you don't know how to braid my hair, how can you call yourself a hair stylist? Sure you might not have done it before and you don't want to mess up my hair-thanks. But this is your chosen career you should know how to work on more than just Buffy, or at least have someone on staff who does. And I don't understand the 'won't touch another man's penis' excuse. You touch vag's all day so you can touch a pee pee, too. You work with the public- you can't pick and choose who you want to work with.
Yes, she absolutely can pick and choose. "We reserve the right to decline service to anyone for any reason". Perfectly legal
Load More Replies...Well.. for starters you're not 7 in kindergarten. Second off NOBODY IS DOING THAT? Republicans are literally shadow boxing. They're fighting ppl n battles that are all make believe. No adult is "identifying" as a fucken child in their daily lives... maybe as some kind of weird sexual kink w/ their partner... but nobody is doing this in the way you are claiming. I'm sure you also believe that there's kids who demanded litter boxes in school bc they identified as cats... lol. You seem like one of those morons.
Load More Replies...This shouldn't even be a story. If she doesn't do men she doesn't do men. And, no matter what he thinks, he's a man.
No matter what you think, you cant change someone else's life.
Load More Replies...Look, the fact that the husband keeps being brought into this is cringe. If your husband is threatened by you touching a trans woman's genitals as part of your work, that's an interesting relationship dynamic and one that makes me incredibly grateful for who I married. The woman keeps trying to sell this as not being personal, but then bringing it back to being a personal aversion. If it was purely a professional concern, all she would have needed to say was "I'm not experienced or trained in waxing penises and I'm concerned that could put you at risk so I'm sorry, I don't feel comfortable that I'm the best person to perform this waxing".
Personal aversion - yep, fine > professional concern - definitely > but I agree the husband thing is weird, no touching a penis but okay to forage around a lesbian's lady parts?
Load More Replies...I remember the news stories about a trans person called Jessica Yaniv who used to purposely book intimate waxing appointments with Muslim owned salons, when they were refused service Jessica would sue them.
Jessica Yaniv's racial and sexual abuse harassment campaigns against Muslim women are very well-documented all over the mainstream and left wing press, including in countries where Fox News doesn't even exist.
Load More Replies...If she doesn't do male genitalia, then she needs to advertise as such. Problem solved. Otherwise, she does appear transphobic. I do need clarification though. Why does it matter to her husband if she waxes male genitalia? It's in a professional setting. If she's professional enough to wax women, why can't she be professional enough to wax men? Is her husband trying to control her? If she has an aversion to male genitalia, why blame her husband?
Yes, the moment she brought in her personal feelings regarding her husband she made it personal. If she had just said "I am so sorry, I wish you had told me when you booked as I am not trained on male genitalia, and don't want to risk hurting you, but here are the people that I recommend" it would have been fine.
Load More Replies...The explanation that she wanted to ensure the client's comfort and safety was just fine and all that was needed. All the "out of respect for my husband" gives me the heebie jeebies. Like if she were a nurse he'd storm into the hospital and demand she not help male patients. it makes her sound culty and gross. Spas usually serve everyone - not just biological women.
YTA not for declining, but because of the personal reasons which were unnecessary and could be heard as "Penis makes me and husband see you as a man". You should have concentrated on the professional reasons. "It takes a different method to wax a penis and s*****m, and I don't have the necessary training and experience to provide this service safely. I'm happy to help you find a esthetician who is. I can do (other services) if you are interested in using your appointment slot for any of those." Also, update your service list to specify "female genitalia" in the Brazilian section.
Now I have a picture in my head of my saggy ball covered in wax. It hurts just to think it.
Weird reasoning. Seems like the practical concern (no experience) would be a bigger concern than the husband's stance on the developed state of the genital tubercle.
Just put a sign up "We do not wax c***s". Seriously though, show me the law where it says you have to touch a penis you don't want to.
Trans people can be so closed-minded sometimes, the exact opposite of what they think they are. Not all, but it's the loud minority we always hear about, while the open-minded one don't get people upset, so we don't hear from them much.
Not wanting to be forced to touch penises against your will =/= discriminating against LGBTQ people.
Once again the issue was never that she didn't provide the service, it's that she wouldn't just leave it at that, she had to insist that it was for personal reasons, even if she knew how to do it she wouldn't.
Load More Replies...I was in the NTA camp until she made all these weird, cringey excuses for why she couldn't do the service, and I switched to ESH. If you're not trained, you're not trained, and that's what you tell people. Not "oh, my husband doesn't let me touch " or any of your personal hangups. If you're a professional, make sure that all of your advertising material states what services you do provide. So yeah, everyone sucks here. Including a lot of BP's commentariat. And while I'm at it, enough with this "biological woman" rubbish. Biology is not a binary.
I agree that her husband shouldn't be a factor, but I think it is fair to differentiate in biology like I'm non-binary and use they/them I have a friend also non-binary and uses they them but I was assigned female at birth and they were assigned male at birth even though we have the same gender identity there are things different between me and my friend. I don't think people should be discriminatory but I wouldn't ask that friend to borrow a tampon nor would I ask that of my trans female friend she is very nice but I highly doubt she would have one while my biologically female friend usually will. Have a lovely day and a happy pride month.
Load More Replies...YTA not for declining the client but for bringing your husband and your judgement nto it. Why would you say that? If you don't have the expertise to do a professional job, that's absolutely a good reason to decline a client. No further explanation is necessary, it's health and safety. Launching into a speech about how you don't like male genitals and you promised your husband not to touch them is beyond rude. You shouldn't ick someone's body for things outwith their control. From your work you know people are sensitive about their genitalia and often have anxiety about it, you don't think this is even more the case for trans people? And she doesn't need to hear about how your husband thinks she's different to other women, no matter what your opinion is. A professional no, and I'll give you a rec would have been respectful and acceptable. YTA for begining nonprofessional aspects into the interaction.
nta! your not a professional in that field so the patient could get hurt, also THIS IS YOU SETTING BOUNDARIES! IT IS NOT DISCRIMINATION! (i am a trans man)
There's a big difference between male and female genitalia. If you're not trained properly, you could cause physical harm. Obviously, it's not stated in your forms, male/female when it comes to waxing. You need to add that. You need someone specifically trained for waxing males. I think what got you in trouble was the sexist and misogynistic part of "out of respect for my husband". Waxing isn't sexual in ANY way, unless you make it that way, or imply it. Which you implied by claiming it's all about your husband. It's a wax job, not a hand job. You simply say that you're not trained for it, but I know who is, would you like their phone number?
A brazilian is done differently on different sets of genitals, and without proper training an aesthetician could severely hurt the client if it's performed incorrectly - as in put her in the hospital level of hurting her. Boundaries and prevention of injury are necessities for both professional and client. Note somewhere perhaps that you're only trained for one type of brazilian waxing, maybe see if there are other local aestheticians that are trained in other gentitalia waxing?
Some people actually believe that not wanting to have sex with a trans person is transphobic
Anyone saying yta is out of their minds, trying to defend someone ELSE that chose to expose themselves to a women who was not prepared. Doesn't matter if "she's a professional", she does not have to give service to anyone for any reason. She's not discriminating for no reason, she did not want to touch a random person's penis, and felt compelled to give too many reasons because of (ahem, YOU ALL) people that will automatically defend the women just because she's trans. Being part of any group does not exclude you from laws governing sexual harassment and indescent exposure, no matter how many Internet points you get from people who have nothing to do with the situation
Shes a bit of an AH for her bringing her husband into it, as that just adds a whole bunch of uncomfortsble aspects to it. But not for refusing to perform ot or her other reasons.
Load More Replies...Ok the reasoning isl off, you don't tell a clients that it's because of an agreement with husband because that sexualizes the job. She the AH for those reasons. If she told Alex that she doesn't have training to safely do male genitalia that different, it's professional, not personal and doesn't make a client feel bad about themselves.
The way she refused was wrong. "I'm not comfortable touching genetalia in this manner that isnt the same kind as mine" Fine. "Im not trained on your kind of genitalia" Better! "Out of respect for my husband i won't do this clearly non sexual service for you because it actually IS sexual"??? Yeah no. Just leave it at "I'm only comfortable perfotming it on the kind of genitalia i share."
What a marriage! She doesn't like touching male genitals, and he can tell her who she can touch. Are the straights ok?
I would seriously doubt the real intentions of a Transwoman that gives you no warning, no phone discussion or even doesn't makes any enquiries about what you are qualified to do. To just 'turn up' and expect you to wax his balls and d**k whilst knowing you wax women's parts is either wanting to get off on you doing it, or wants to just make a fuss. Tons of salons out there that can do both or are unisex etc. OP is totally right. Doesn't even owe him an explanation just ' I'm not qualified to do that' and that's sufficient. Why the need to embarrass and humiliate a woman like that in her profession, seriously?
As its mentioned, most places ARE unisex, so in giving her the benefit of thr doubt in assuming OP's place was too... and then got upset when OP made the implication this was a sexual thing.
Load More Replies...I'd never tell anyone how to run their business, but all this nonsense about the waxing being "different" is exactly that - nonsense. You still use all the same waxing techniques that you would on female body parts, there are just less folds to work around. I wouldn't go so far as to say "YTA", but the excuses given for not doing it just aren't great.
I feel like I'm the only one who's going to say that yes, YTA. Not because you aren't sure how to do it; you could hurt someone if you do it wrong and as mad as she was I'm glad you didn't try to wing it. But YTA because you're offering a service to the PUBLIC that you are choosing to only offer to a select few by willful ignorance. If you offer a service, then it's up to you to know how to do that for anyone who walks in. If I were black and I went to your salon and you tell me you don't know how to braid my hair, how can you call yourself a hair stylist? Sure you might not have done it before and you don't want to mess up my hair-thanks. But this is your chosen career you should know how to work on more than just Buffy, or at least have someone on staff who does. And I don't understand the 'won't touch another man's penis' excuse. You touch vag's all day so you can touch a pee pee, too. You work with the public- you can't pick and choose who you want to work with.
Yes, she absolutely can pick and choose. "We reserve the right to decline service to anyone for any reason". Perfectly legal
Load More Replies...Well.. for starters you're not 7 in kindergarten. Second off NOBODY IS DOING THAT? Republicans are literally shadow boxing. They're fighting ppl n battles that are all make believe. No adult is "identifying" as a fucken child in their daily lives... maybe as some kind of weird sexual kink w/ their partner... but nobody is doing this in the way you are claiming. I'm sure you also believe that there's kids who demanded litter boxes in school bc they identified as cats... lol. You seem like one of those morons.
Load More Replies...This shouldn't even be a story. If she doesn't do men she doesn't do men. And, no matter what he thinks, he's a man.
No matter what you think, you cant change someone else's life.
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