Karen Employee Upset Coworker Arrives Just 10 Minutes Early Instead Of Her ‘Expected’ 30
Doing work is a necessary evil in life because money “doesn’t grow on trees” (I mean, it’s paper, but…). And as a necessary evil, it should come as no surprise that the devil has had his share of fun with this and hence evil is increased to the power of 666 and you have layers upon layers of evil in any given workplace.
Unavoidably, there’s gonna be a necessary evil within a necessary evil in the form of a crummy coworker who’s gonna try to shove sticks in your spokes while on route to happiness and prosperity.
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Work probably wouldn’t be so bad if not for some of the unavoidable factors employees have to contend with, like coworkers who are up to something
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A Redditor recently turned to the r/AntiWork community for some perspective on an issue she had with a coworker who asked her to start coming in 30+ minutes early
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The woman said she’ll talk to the manager about it, but otherwise won’t change her work handover habits
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A Redditor nicknamed u/Any-Cartographer-675 recently approached the r/antiwork community with a conundrum she had.
You see, OP works in hospitality, a hotel. There’s this thing called a handover that’s essentially a period of time when one employee is about to finish their work and another is about to start and the two exchange information on work-related matters.
For this reason, the manager called a meeting and suggested having a 5 to 10-minute handover period, because how much info can there be to hand over, right? Well, apparently lots. At least, according to OP’s coworker who, ever since the meeting, started giving OP the stink eye.
This expression of non-verbal discontent soon turned into the coworker pulling OP to an unused meeting room for a private chat. The coworker expressed her dissatisfaction (apparently, the dissatisfaction of the manager too) with how OP has been doing handovers and started pressuring her into coming in 30 to 45 minutes early.
Even if you don’t work in hospitality, you’ll understand that something that really could take 5 to 10 minutes doesn’t have to take 30 to 45 minutes. OP explained to her coworker that the manager pointed out a different time frame, which visibly angered and frustrated the coworker. “I will be reporting this to (the manager),” quoth the coworker.
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At that point, OP didn’t know how to feel about this and she sought answers on r/antiwork. The community tackled the issue from multiple angles, first and foremost pointing out that OP should never work for free. If anything, the 5 to 10 minutes should be written down as part of the job description and paid for. In fact, write everything down and have everything in writing.
Some folks were suspecting this was the shady coworker’s way of winning an extra 30 minutes off work because “well, since you’re here, I’m gonna go now.” Others were also very sus of her claim that the manager is upset too. Shouldn’t the manager be the one delivering this bit of info in the first place if she’s so upset?
For context, coming in 30 minutes early for an average of 22 work days a month is an extra 11 hours of unpaid labor (math is hard, indeed). Also, for context, this happened in the UK, so the laws might be a tad bit different. Regardless, it’s safe to say that folks had a lot to say about the coworker and her interesting demands. In the end, OP decided to sit the manager down and talk about it. Bored Panda also reached out to OP to see if there are any developments in the story and are yet to hear from her.
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At least in the US, the Fair Labor Standards Act (and most likely state laws too) require the employer to pay the employee for all hours that the employee dedicates to the job. Bernadette Jones, Founder of Visionova HR Consulting Inc. and Intentional Leadership and Inclusion Expert, explained this and more in a LinkedIn short of hers.
These hours include the time that’s required for an employee to be on the premises, even if they haven’t really started performing their duties. By proxy, prepping for work is also considered a part of the employee’s payable workday.
There are policies and requirements that employers can implement to make sure employees are properly prepared right when their official work time begins. And they can even discipline them for not following these requirements. However, in any case, if they require someone to be at work for work reasons, they have to be paid for every single second of it.
So, if this was in the US, OP could effectively agree to come in 30+ minutes earlier and cash in around 11 hours a month or 132 hours (or 5.5 continuous days) of work per year. Oh, and if there’s an overtime clause that triggers beyond the 8-hour workday, you can essentially consider yourself a lottery winner at this point.
So, what are your thoughts on any of this? Let us know in the comment section below!
Folks expressed their concern, saying every minute on the job should be paid for and pointing out suspicions that the coworker just wants to get off work early
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Share on FacebookNot sure what to do?! You tell your coworker to mind her own fúcking business and if she says something again about it warn her that you'll be going to management to inform them of her harassment. Simple. Why are very basic issues like this so terrifying for the average person?!
Because your suggestion… is a bad one. The co-worker is clearly On One, and will report the OP for swearing and being abusive. Far better to send an email to the manager outlining the conversation with the colleague, and asking for clarity on what official policy is on coming in early and unpaid.
Load More Replies...Something wrong in the article: "For context, coming in 30 minutes early is an extra 27+ hours a month on average. " Are we really supposed to think that they work 54 days per month?
Clock in. If you are working you legally need to be paid for it. What if you are helping someone and got injured? Not on the clock? Not good.
I was a quick serve manager and would come in 30-45 minutes early to prep my paperwork, work on schedules, etc. so my shift could run smoothly. Other managers started needing me to "help" their shift because they were unprepared, understaffed, needed to catch up... the help was never reciprocated. After a couple weeks, I started coming in 5 minutes before my shift started - I would even sit in a parking lot down the street if I ended up having good traffic. We were salary, so it was just free labor to use me.
AT&T lost a lawsuit over having employees come in early (unpaid) in order to "prepare" for their shift. You don't give them 10, 5, or 1 minute more than they are paying you - if they want a hand-off between shifts, then overlap them.
Hmm. I used to work at a call center in Canada for American Express, and we had to be ready to work by our shift starting time, which meant sometimes we had to get there earlier to boot up the computers if they took longer. We had to be ready to log into the phones at the shift time. Guess I gave them a lot of hours. Same with working at a YMCA. If I opened, I obviously had to get there before shift time to actually open the place and set up, yet I was only paid for the shift time. Same with closing. A member dawdled and left late, we were stuck there, then had to do closing procedures. We should have been paid for the actual time we provided services.
Load More Replies...Be ready to work on the dot of when your shift starts because that’s when your pay starts. By ready to work, that’s your coat hung up, your coffee poured etc. otherwise, it’s wage theft and you are working for free every day.
Heh, I worked in a hotel and I was lucky if my night auditor showed up on time or 30 minutes late. One night he showed up three hours late on a shift that began at 11 pm and I had to be there at 7 am the following day (my manager was a total a-hole and a drunken idiot.)
I think as long as you can clock in, get the extra time. If you are hourly and you aren't allowed to clock in early, then obviously not. In the United States if you are hourly and are being asked to work off the clock, that is wage theft. A lot of companies have gotten into trouble for that.
I am the only person who doesn't do overtime in my building. Primarily because I work smart and don't spend all day chatting or making/taking personal calls. Yes, the irony of being on BP, I know, but I have a 25/5 minute rule. Work 25 minutes, take 5 minute break -- helps me stay focussed.
You're lucky to be able to do that. With some jobs, its not that simple.
Load More Replies...I worked in hospitality business for almost 20 years. And it was at the most 15 minutes early to exchange information in the change of shifts. And you clocked in, so you got paid for it. No one wants to do it for free. If it was 15 minutes every day, it would add up. So, yeah, 30 to 45 minutes is unreasonable.
1) is it paid and 2) if that's too much time, ask for a list of what's supposed to be done during that time, to determine what's requiring 30-45 mins 3) has everyone else been doing this and what r their thoughts? Do they find it helpful, do they find it wasteful, etc?
This happened to me while working for a cheap AF veterinarian. I was to come in 20 before shift to clean kennels and feed the animals. Why the hell I did it I'll never know. 🙄 When I worked the afternoon shift I had to come in for instructions for the animals in care, but the morning shift girl got to go home on time. I finally quit after 13 months. I was young and liked working with animals. But that was total BS.
Huh! Well, we do handoffs in my business, too - these usually take about 15 minutes. This why all shifts are scheduled to overlap for 30 minutes. If you takeover at 4PM, then you are scheduled to be in at 3:30, during that 30 minutes, you need to put your lunch away, get your water, get your supplies ready, and get the handoff done so you can take the phone by 4:00PM, and the other person can leave at 4:00. We also pay you from 3:30 until the end of your shift because preparing for your shift is still work.
Obviously she wants to go home early. Wants her relief there 45 minutes early so she can tag team and leave. Simple. Tell her BITE ME, I want it in writing, preferably email (so there's a trail) from the manager.
You can always approach the manager with an innocent question— “Maybe you could clarify the turn over policy. I understood it to be 10-15 minutes. *** seems to think it’s 1/2 hour”
(Sigh!)) This is SO much like retail. Unless that coworker signs your paychecks, ignore her, write down what was discussed, and talk to the manager. They may have to personally straighten that coworker out in regards to who is actually in charge. The coworker is overstepping boundaries, and she knows it. Any retaliatory action should be immediately noted and reported to HR.
Not wanting to work for free isn't anti-work it's anti-$hit
Load More Replies...First of all, coworker needs to learn to speak proper English, it’s my manager and I. Secondly she needs to mind her own business and if she has a complaint or issue it’s the manager’s job to address it, NOT her’s. Finally, don’t let anyone bully you into allowing the employer to steal wages from you by demanding you come in early without paying wages. Totally illegal. Again, coworker needs to MYOB. Do not engage in any conversations regarding your job performance. Report her to management and HR for bullying, harassment and overstepping her job description.
I find it comical that you were so judgmental about co-worker's need "to learn to speak proper English," yet you wrote "hers" with an apostrophe. Might want to check yourself before throwing shade about something so petty.
Load More Replies...Not sure what to do?! You tell your coworker to mind her own fúcking business and if she says something again about it warn her that you'll be going to management to inform them of her harassment. Simple. Why are very basic issues like this so terrifying for the average person?!
Because your suggestion… is a bad one. The co-worker is clearly On One, and will report the OP for swearing and being abusive. Far better to send an email to the manager outlining the conversation with the colleague, and asking for clarity on what official policy is on coming in early and unpaid.
Load More Replies...Something wrong in the article: "For context, coming in 30 minutes early is an extra 27+ hours a month on average. " Are we really supposed to think that they work 54 days per month?
Clock in. If you are working you legally need to be paid for it. What if you are helping someone and got injured? Not on the clock? Not good.
I was a quick serve manager and would come in 30-45 minutes early to prep my paperwork, work on schedules, etc. so my shift could run smoothly. Other managers started needing me to "help" their shift because they were unprepared, understaffed, needed to catch up... the help was never reciprocated. After a couple weeks, I started coming in 5 minutes before my shift started - I would even sit in a parking lot down the street if I ended up having good traffic. We were salary, so it was just free labor to use me.
AT&T lost a lawsuit over having employees come in early (unpaid) in order to "prepare" for their shift. You don't give them 10, 5, or 1 minute more than they are paying you - if they want a hand-off between shifts, then overlap them.
Hmm. I used to work at a call center in Canada for American Express, and we had to be ready to work by our shift starting time, which meant sometimes we had to get there earlier to boot up the computers if they took longer. We had to be ready to log into the phones at the shift time. Guess I gave them a lot of hours. Same with working at a YMCA. If I opened, I obviously had to get there before shift time to actually open the place and set up, yet I was only paid for the shift time. Same with closing. A member dawdled and left late, we were stuck there, then had to do closing procedures. We should have been paid for the actual time we provided services.
Load More Replies...Be ready to work on the dot of when your shift starts because that’s when your pay starts. By ready to work, that’s your coat hung up, your coffee poured etc. otherwise, it’s wage theft and you are working for free every day.
Heh, I worked in a hotel and I was lucky if my night auditor showed up on time or 30 minutes late. One night he showed up three hours late on a shift that began at 11 pm and I had to be there at 7 am the following day (my manager was a total a-hole and a drunken idiot.)
I think as long as you can clock in, get the extra time. If you are hourly and you aren't allowed to clock in early, then obviously not. In the United States if you are hourly and are being asked to work off the clock, that is wage theft. A lot of companies have gotten into trouble for that.
I am the only person who doesn't do overtime in my building. Primarily because I work smart and don't spend all day chatting or making/taking personal calls. Yes, the irony of being on BP, I know, but I have a 25/5 minute rule. Work 25 minutes, take 5 minute break -- helps me stay focussed.
You're lucky to be able to do that. With some jobs, its not that simple.
Load More Replies...I worked in hospitality business for almost 20 years. And it was at the most 15 minutes early to exchange information in the change of shifts. And you clocked in, so you got paid for it. No one wants to do it for free. If it was 15 minutes every day, it would add up. So, yeah, 30 to 45 minutes is unreasonable.
1) is it paid and 2) if that's too much time, ask for a list of what's supposed to be done during that time, to determine what's requiring 30-45 mins 3) has everyone else been doing this and what r their thoughts? Do they find it helpful, do they find it wasteful, etc?
This happened to me while working for a cheap AF veterinarian. I was to come in 20 before shift to clean kennels and feed the animals. Why the hell I did it I'll never know. 🙄 When I worked the afternoon shift I had to come in for instructions for the animals in care, but the morning shift girl got to go home on time. I finally quit after 13 months. I was young and liked working with animals. But that was total BS.
Huh! Well, we do handoffs in my business, too - these usually take about 15 minutes. This why all shifts are scheduled to overlap for 30 minutes. If you takeover at 4PM, then you are scheduled to be in at 3:30, during that 30 minutes, you need to put your lunch away, get your water, get your supplies ready, and get the handoff done so you can take the phone by 4:00PM, and the other person can leave at 4:00. We also pay you from 3:30 until the end of your shift because preparing for your shift is still work.
Obviously she wants to go home early. Wants her relief there 45 minutes early so she can tag team and leave. Simple. Tell her BITE ME, I want it in writing, preferably email (so there's a trail) from the manager.
You can always approach the manager with an innocent question— “Maybe you could clarify the turn over policy. I understood it to be 10-15 minutes. *** seems to think it’s 1/2 hour”
(Sigh!)) This is SO much like retail. Unless that coworker signs your paychecks, ignore her, write down what was discussed, and talk to the manager. They may have to personally straighten that coworker out in regards to who is actually in charge. The coworker is overstepping boundaries, and she knows it. Any retaliatory action should be immediately noted and reported to HR.
Not wanting to work for free isn't anti-work it's anti-$hit
Load More Replies...First of all, coworker needs to learn to speak proper English, it’s my manager and I. Secondly she needs to mind her own business and if she has a complaint or issue it’s the manager’s job to address it, NOT her’s. Finally, don’t let anyone bully you into allowing the employer to steal wages from you by demanding you come in early without paying wages. Totally illegal. Again, coworker needs to MYOB. Do not engage in any conversations regarding your job performance. Report her to management and HR for bullying, harassment and overstepping her job description.
I find it comical that you were so judgmental about co-worker's need "to learn to speak proper English," yet you wrote "hers" with an apostrophe. Might want to check yourself before throwing shade about something so petty.
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