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Woman Makes A Comment About Brother-In-Law’s Mustache After He Did The Same About Her Leg Hair, He Has A Breakdown
Woman Makes A Comment About Brother-In-Law’s Mustache After He Did The Same About Her Leg Hair, He Has A Breakdown
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Woman Makes A Comment About Brother-In-Law’s Mustache After He Did The Same About Her Leg Hair, He Has A Breakdown

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You know the saying “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”? Sometimes relatives need to be reminded of that sentiment. What is it about being family that can make people feel entitled to share every opinion they have, even on others’ bodies? One 19-year-old woman, Hortenhearsawho1 on Reddit, recently shared her frustration from a chaotic family dinner at her parent’s house and reached out to see if she was in the wrong. She detailed the experience between her and her brother-in-law on the subreddit “Am I the A***ole?”, which is popular for users sharing personal stories and asking readers if they handled the situation appropriately.

And read on to hear from Heather Widdows, professor and author of “Perfect Me: Beauty as an Ethical Ideal“, who Bored Panda was lucky enough to receive an interview from on the taboo topic of female body hair.

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    This woman’s brother-in-law decided to insert his opinion on her leg hair during what was intended to be a family dinner

    Image credits: Julia (not the actual photo)

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    Image credits: engin akyurt (not the actual photo)

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    Unfortunately, these kinds of misogynistic comments about appearance are common for young women to hear. I don’t think being questioned about his mustache really qualifies as trauma for the man, but for children, being subjected to unwelcomed comments on their appearances can certainly impact their mental health.  Being told what to wear, how to groom themselves and that they must be “pretty” are just a few of the expectations introduced to women at a young age, often negatively affecting their self confidence. The National Organization for Women, a non-profit in the US, reported that by age thirteen, 53% of American girls are “unhappy with their bodies”. That number skyrockets to 78% by the time they reach seventeen years old. Even in elementary school, 40-60% of girls in the US are already concerned about their weight or scared of becoming “fat”. Children are very impressionable and much more observant than often given credit for, leading to insecurities being noticed, taught and passed along. But the cycle can always be broken.

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    Image credits: hortenhearsawho1

    In fact, it was not until the early 1900’s that eliminating body hair became the expectation for women in Western cultures, according to Rebecca Herzig in her book “Plucked: A History of Hair Removal”. Beauty standards do shift over time, but the stigma around female body hair has remained consistent, or even strengthened, since its onset. Professor Heather Widdows, author of “Perfect Me: Beauty as an Ethical Ideal, shared in an interview with CNN that, “Being hairless has come to be seen as the only ‘natural’ and clean way to present the body. Except it really isn’t.” Herzig told CNN that despite misconceptions about body hair being unsanitary, the contrary is more likely to be true. “Most hair removal practices tend to introduce new opportunities for abrasion and infection.” These women, along with countless others experiencing pressure to alter their bodies, simply want to make it clear that decisions about our appearances, including whether or not to shave, are personal choices.

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    In her interview with Bored Panda, Professor Widdows explained that the illusion of choice definitely comes into play when discussing topics such as this. When asked about feeling pressure to shave at a young age, she told us that “you can not ‘feel’ pressure, but still not have an option not to do something, so its much more complicated than whether you ‘feel’ like you have a choice”. She went on to say that, “If you read ‘Perfect Me’, you’ll see I have a whole chapter on ‘I chose it for me’ – this is now the only acceptable thing we can say, it’s a learned narrative, but that doesn’t mean it’s wholly free in the way suggested, all choices are shaped and constrained by social pressure. The ‘choice’ to remove hair or not is shaped by a society in which this is valuable.” In terms of what to tell young girls in response to unwelcome comments from family members, she calls to end body shaming across the board. “It’s lookism, and naming it helps to show the discrimination,” she explained. “It doesn’t matter who the comment is from, man or woman, family member or stranger, we should make negative comments unacceptable.”

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    Especially for someone raising daughters, like the brother-in-law in this story, it is important to destigmatize natural occurrences in women’s bodies, such as leg hair. Girls should feel empowered for their minds and capabilities, rather than scrutinized over physical details that hold no moral weight. Although the interaction was executed with a bit of sass, I hope Hortonhearsawho1’s nieces were paying attention to the way she defended her body. After all, a little leg hair surely never hurt anyone.

    Readers have overwhelmingly sided with the woman, many responding that she is “NTA” (Not The A***ole) in the story

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    S
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't give a rats a*****e how old you are. You still have to earn respect just like the rest of us and if you blatantly disrespect me, I'm going to hurt your feelings.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So he feels free to make unsolicited comments on her appearance but cries like a baby when she does it in return? Because his "manhood" is somehow more important?

    Kathryn Baylis
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don’t forget how he’s brainwashed his wife to take his side when he’s dead wrong.

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    LH25
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The idea that a woman has to defer to anyone who is older than she is disgusting and dangerous.

    Lousha
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had two former BFs comment on my body hair, in a polite manner, along the lines of "I usually find it more sexy/pleasant to look at if my SO does this or that it this area. Would you consider trying it?" I said no both times because I felt comfortable with the "arrangement" I had and they accepted it, end of story. Because in these cases there was a relationship between us I felt that it was ok for them to bring it up, same way as I could say if I'm not overly happy with a guy who has or doesn't have facial hair, styles his hair a certain way etc. It's not ok to demand a change but I think in a relationship involving sex it's ok to talk about preferences, turn offs etc. However it is really, really not ok to tell anyone else that you don't like their body hair or the lack of it. I don't find shaved men's chests sexy, so what? That doesn't mean that a random guy I have some sort of random connection with (like dating my sister) would need to hear my opinion about it unless he asked.

    Lucas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hilarious that he thinks his hairy upper lip is a symbol of manhood!!! Must tell my elderly aunt... 😜 He's obviously a whiny tw-at that doesn't know women are naturally hairy and have the right to choose to leave it there if they wish and it's nothing to do with him (stop looking, creep). As for "disrespected"... no. Respect is earned and he doesn't get that just because of being older. She might have been discourteous (being polite tends to cost nothing and I don't have a problem with being polite to older people as a general rule) BUT in this instance he absolutely earned that discourtesy!

    MagNat
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sister sounds like an idiot for marrying a man like that and defending a comment like that.

    Tigerpacingthecage
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking...people change (especially in abusive relationships). If he could say that to her sister imagine what kind of things he could say and do to his wife... yeah she was wrong for defending him but she could have her reasons for her and their kids sake.

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    rhubarb
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that he was staring at her legs, which is very creepy, and then proceeds to have a problem with how they look is just on a whole other level of disgusting. He shouldn't have stared at her legs in the first place, and there wouldn't be a problem. I'm not happy with how her sister defended that behavior, either. Shame on the sister and the brother-in-law.

    Sarah
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The brother in law sounds like a child.

    Deborah B
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did he not question her femininity with the remarks on hair "not supposed to be there" like her leg hair is any of his damn business?

    Kyndal T
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a guy I wasn't even dating comment that I had hairs on my big toes when I was 12. I shaved them for 3 years. Never even saw a single hair and trust me I was looking hard. With a magnifying glass too. Never wore open toed shoes again and I'm almost 30 now. Same guy's friend saw my underwear when I bent over and started making fun and calling them baggy. So I switched to bikini style underwear. I just started wearing whatever undies I like last year and I haven't bent over at the waist since I was 12. Even if someone thinks they're being "helpful" they shouldn't make comments like that. I could probably fill a book with all the things that have been said to me over the years. I see a nose job in my future and probably brown contacts.

    Lucas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh, I am truly sorry that these people have had such an impact. I'd love for you to know that you do not have to change a single damn thing about yourself for anyone, but I know that some random odd-bod on the internet isn't going to be able to alter how you feel after all this time. These people's opinions are garbage and should be dumped there. I do wish people would keep their views about other people's appearance to themselves. I never understood why anyone thinks being good looking is something to be proud of anyway - they didn't do a damn thing to earn it, it's all just an accident of birth. Well, unless they are rich and lined the pockets of cosmetic surgeons. Be proud of your eyes and your nose and of who you are. Bet you are a much kinder person than any of those thoughtless fools.

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    S
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't give a rats a*****e how old you are. You still have to earn respect just like the rest of us and if you blatantly disrespect me, I'm going to hurt your feelings.

    Trillian
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So he feels free to make unsolicited comments on her appearance but cries like a baby when she does it in return? Because his "manhood" is somehow more important?

    Kathryn Baylis
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don’t forget how he’s brainwashed his wife to take his side when he’s dead wrong.

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    LH25
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The idea that a woman has to defer to anyone who is older than she is disgusting and dangerous.

    Lousha
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had two former BFs comment on my body hair, in a polite manner, along the lines of "I usually find it more sexy/pleasant to look at if my SO does this or that it this area. Would you consider trying it?" I said no both times because I felt comfortable with the "arrangement" I had and they accepted it, end of story. Because in these cases there was a relationship between us I felt that it was ok for them to bring it up, same way as I could say if I'm not overly happy with a guy who has or doesn't have facial hair, styles his hair a certain way etc. It's not ok to demand a change but I think in a relationship involving sex it's ok to talk about preferences, turn offs etc. However it is really, really not ok to tell anyone else that you don't like their body hair or the lack of it. I don't find shaved men's chests sexy, so what? That doesn't mean that a random guy I have some sort of random connection with (like dating my sister) would need to hear my opinion about it unless he asked.

    Lucas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hilarious that he thinks his hairy upper lip is a symbol of manhood!!! Must tell my elderly aunt... 😜 He's obviously a whiny tw-at that doesn't know women are naturally hairy and have the right to choose to leave it there if they wish and it's nothing to do with him (stop looking, creep). As for "disrespected"... no. Respect is earned and he doesn't get that just because of being older. She might have been discourteous (being polite tends to cost nothing and I don't have a problem with being polite to older people as a general rule) BUT in this instance he absolutely earned that discourtesy!

    MagNat
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sister sounds like an idiot for marrying a man like that and defending a comment like that.

    Tigerpacingthecage
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm thinking...people change (especially in abusive relationships). If he could say that to her sister imagine what kind of things he could say and do to his wife... yeah she was wrong for defending him but she could have her reasons for her and their kids sake.

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    rhubarb
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact that he was staring at her legs, which is very creepy, and then proceeds to have a problem with how they look is just on a whole other level of disgusting. He shouldn't have stared at her legs in the first place, and there wouldn't be a problem. I'm not happy with how her sister defended that behavior, either. Shame on the sister and the brother-in-law.

    Sarah
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The brother in law sounds like a child.

    Deborah B
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Did he not question her femininity with the remarks on hair "not supposed to be there" like her leg hair is any of his damn business?

    Kyndal T
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a guy I wasn't even dating comment that I had hairs on my big toes when I was 12. I shaved them for 3 years. Never even saw a single hair and trust me I was looking hard. With a magnifying glass too. Never wore open toed shoes again and I'm almost 30 now. Same guy's friend saw my underwear when I bent over and started making fun and calling them baggy. So I switched to bikini style underwear. I just started wearing whatever undies I like last year and I haven't bent over at the waist since I was 12. Even if someone thinks they're being "helpful" they shouldn't make comments like that. I could probably fill a book with all the things that have been said to me over the years. I see a nose job in my future and probably brown contacts.

    Lucas
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh, I am truly sorry that these people have had such an impact. I'd love for you to know that you do not have to change a single damn thing about yourself for anyone, but I know that some random odd-bod on the internet isn't going to be able to alter how you feel after all this time. These people's opinions are garbage and should be dumped there. I do wish people would keep their views about other people's appearance to themselves. I never understood why anyone thinks being good looking is something to be proud of anyway - they didn't do a damn thing to earn it, it's all just an accident of birth. Well, unless they are rich and lined the pockets of cosmetic surgeons. Be proud of your eyes and your nose and of who you are. Bet you are a much kinder person than any of those thoughtless fools.

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