Abortion Clinic Employee Shares How Some Pro-Life Women Act When They Come In As Customers
Twitter user Annoyed Cicada created a thread about abortion clinics and started a discussion on a very sensitive topic online. The Twitter user shared how, in their experience as an abortion clinic employee, some pro-life women get abortions themselves and allegedly try to justify this by lashing out at others. Scroll down to read Annoyed Cicada’s thoughts in their own words.
According to a recent Gallup poll, around 62 percent of Americans who are between the ages of 18 and 29 consider themselves to be pro-choice on the question of abortion. Meanwhile, only 37 percent of Americans over the age of 65 are pro-choice.
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An abortion clinic employee shared their experience with some clients
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The same poll found that 48 percent of all interviewed American men identified as pro-choice and 46 percent thought of themselves as pro-life. Meanwhile, fewer women (43 percent) who took part in the poll considered themselves pro-choice; 51 percent identified as pro-life. In both cases, 6 percent of men and women had no opinion.
In May 2020, Gallup found that 20 percent of Americans believe that abortions should be illegal in all circumstances. Meanwhile, 29 percent thought that they should be legal under any circumstances; 50 percent believe that they should be legal, but only under certain circumstances.
When compared to 2019, the number of Americans supporting abortions without restrictions increased by 4 percent.
Even though the number of Americans who are either pro-choice or pro-life is more or less equal right now, this wasn’t always the case. According to Gallup, far more Americans identified themselves as supporters of the pro-choice position a couple of decades ago.
Back in 1995, Gallup found that 56 percent of respondents were pro-choice and only 33 percent were pro-life. Meanwhile, 5 percent had mixed opinions, 3 percent had no idea what the terms meant, and another 3 percent had no opinion whatsoever.
Here’s how some people reacted to the thread
I just need to add that Planned Parenthood isn't only an abortion clinic. They were wonderful to me and my husband when we didn't have insurance and needed prenatal care. They helped insure our baby would be born healthy. Our story is not some small exception either. Free prenatal vitamins, free ultrasound, free professional advice and help. Not once did they suggest abortion. They said, "Do you want to have this baby?" and when we said "Yes" that was instantly everyone's main goal.
PP cauvht my gnradma's uterine cancer. Thank you, Planned Parenthood for ALL services.
Amen!! I didn't have insurance in my 20s. Planned Parenthood was the only way I could afford annual check ups and birth control. They are an amazing organization.
Same! I relied on them for years! Thank you PP!
Yes, agreed. Planned Parenthood helped my mom in many ways through a miscarriage and an abortion, and even though, if course, she's depressed about losing 2 babies, she's still grateful that they helped her through those hard times. We were a poor family, so same as above, we couldn't afford pre and post natal care. And honestly? It's that individual's and their spouses/family's decision, no one has the right to make them feel bad about anything.
Surely the clue (that they're not only an abortion clinic) is in the title of the organisation. If you plan to be a parent, they will help you. If you didn't plan (or are unable to plan) to be a parent, they will help you. I... really didn't think it was that complicated.
it's actually not that complicated N G. People / idiots just chose to make it complicated because they need something to be angry about. :(
THANK YOU!
Exactly. In fact abortion is one of their lesser services. Many of their clinics don’t even offer abortions.
Dianna Siever yes
I'm sorry, but I disagree with the term "pro-life". They're simply anti-abortion. If they were pro-life then they would support the women who don't have abortions and keep a child, while living in poverty. Or how about they step up and adopt the children that are unwanted? I don't see that happening. That's life.
Exactly. There are about 300,000+ children in the US that are available for adoption and about 64 million people that consider themselves "Pro-Life". If they were truly Pro-Life that number of children waiting to be adopted should be zero.
But their attitudes make me afraid for any child they'd adopt.
I also find it interesting that most people that are "pro-life" are also proponents of the death penalty. They don't find anything contradictory in trying to force a woman to give birth if she does not want to but allowing the state to murder a living breathing human for crime(s) they may have committed. I say "may have committed" because we are finding out there have been innocent people executed for crimes they did not commit and people on death row for years that have been exonerated. It horrible to destroy a clump of cells, but perfectly fine to kill a human. People are so messed up it is unreal.
Teresa Taylor I am right there with you on that. It's gotten even worse since the pandemic started and some GOP politicians started telling the elderly and disabled we should sacrifice ourselves for the good of the country.
Marcy Brown good
Agreed I AM PRO-LIFE ---- which means kids in my life are taught about sex, STDs, provcreation, contraception, and the whole deal. NOT the "abstinence only". FFS, half the poopel in my dad's family were born to mothers under 18, in a VERY religious family ----- so obvs, just saying "Abstain" isn't working!
Religion, how wonderful!
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Agreed. Using pro vs anti abortion is much clearer & to the point, too. Particularly for that small percentage that answered the survey stating "I don't know what those terms mean". From that I would also hazard a guess that a small percentage of respondents may have been confused by the terms used and unintentionally ticked the wrong box on the survey. Although pro-life = anti-choice, pro-choice does not mean anti-life.
Call them what they are. Gestation slavers.
On Facebook, I asked a "pro-life" "all life is sacred" person, "How nice! So you're a vegan, too!" She unfriended me within minutes. (I'm a pro-choice Buddhist vegan)
That person got butt hurt because you threw their logic back in their face.
Totally agree. These people aren't Pro Life, they're Pro Birth. Once the baby is born, they care nothing about its care, education, life circumstances, food, clothing, etc. THAT they consider Socialism.
In Argentina we also calle them "anti-rights". I think that way fits them better
Tbf, I discovered recently that Alabama does in fact lead the country in adoptions, and they were in the news recently for severe abortion restrictions.
You have nothing to be sorry for. You are absolutely correct.
This. I Would upvote this 1000 times if I could.
thats what welfare is there for
Pro-lifers are against welfare.
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Then pro choice can be called anti life
Infuriating. What bothers me most, in the end, is the point mentioned in one of the comments there. That there are very effective ways to lower the amount of terminated pregnancies - thorough sex education and easy access to contraceptives. But the people who scream "pro-life" the loudest are in most cases against those too. By the way, I have a huge amount of respect for the person who said they're pro-life but also supports these programmes. If everyone was that way we'd be much better of. I'm still very much pro-choice but this is a standpoint I can have some respect for.
There are countries where teenagers have more sex than American ones, but fewer pregnancies. They're not taught that sex is wrong; the emphasis is on preventing pregnancy and STDs.
I refuse to use the term "prolife" with those kind of people. I call them forced birthers because they stop caring as soon as the baby is born. When I'm asked I say I'm not in favor of abortion yourself but I can't make that decision for anybody else.
Sadly not in the least surprising. It's hypocrisy and mental gymnastics, some people go very far to justify their own actions when it doesn't fit their worldview
Cognitive dissonance.
Yup, and covers a broad spectrum. He ran a red light because he's a selfish moron; I ran a red light by accident/I need to get somewhere urgently/it's not that big a deal, I'm a *good person*. (I hate that last part most of all. Guess who seem to use it the most?) And, perhaps worse, it's not even a conscious thought process.
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Cognitive dissonance? Cognitive dissonance is the practice of killing perfectly healthy babies .... and then proclaiming righteously that you're altruistic and On The Right Side Of The Issue. The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
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Cognitive dissonance? Cognitive dissonance is the practice of killing perfectly healthy babies .... and then proclaiming righteously that you're altruistic and On The Right Side Of The Issue. The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
Could you please stop making arguments that make no sense?
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Not hypocrisy, complexity.
It is hypocrisy when they make exceptions for their behavior but would deny others the same rights and understanding.
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Si Good response!
I'm probably going to get red arrowed, but I don't care: If you're supporting the separation of families at the border and the jailing of children, you're NOT "pro-life"!
You won't get a downvote from me because you are absolutely right.
Can I get to the bigger issue? It doesn't matter when life begins. You can't be forced to donate blood or organs to people who don't grow in your uterus. Even if people would die without those donations, and even if you're already dead so you aren't using them anymore. If people WANT to go through a pregnancy, they shouldn't be stopped. But when abortion isn't a choice, then we are giving corpses more bodily autonomy than pregnant people, with no other distinction that can be drawn. Someone's life still depends on heart or lung transplants but we won't take them from a dead person if they didn't consent to it first. Why would we take away that same ability to consent during pregnancy?
BRAVA, Margaret Mayhugh!!! I wish pro-choice people like us would bring up this argument more often. All the endless dithering about whether or not/when a fertilized egg/zygote/embryo/fetus is a person is just so much philosophical masturbation -- the issue is bodily autonomy. If we honor and revere bodily autonomy so much that you can't even be compelled to donate some blood to save the life of your own, already-born child (and we DO, and you CAN'T), then making this one, extreme and outrageous exception when it comes to pregnancy is blatant, outrageous and indefensible discrimination and oppression against pregnant people.
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Margaret Mayhugh no
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To be honest, if someone has sex ed in school and had access to condoms and contraceptives and they still choose to have unprotected sex, I am convinced they brought it on themselves and they should bear consequences of their action. No, I would not vote to ban abortions, because some people actually need them for valid reasons. Some of these reasons are medical, some are not and after all, I don't feel like I have the right to decide if that person could make the pregnancy happen or not. I just wish more people recognized this argument.
Contraceptives can fail, too.
There would be no discussion of a yes or no to abortion bans if men were the ones who got pregnant. Opponents of abortion are hypocritical unless they offer sensible alternatives such as contraception, sexual education and preventing abuse.
Not all abortions are the result of unwanted pregnancies. Often people have to terminate wanted pregnancies for medical reasons such as ectopic pregnancy
Abortions were happening 100 years ago. Here in America we have laws that make a sanitary environment available .
Lexinger like
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The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
If men could get pregnant, abortion pills would be sold next to the cash register in gas stations.
And having an abortion would be the most important human right.
Agreed.
Yup.
If men got pregnant abortions would be available at drive through windows and convenience stores.
Lexinger, abortions have been happening since about 4000 years ago. The forced birthers will never stop abortions just safe abortions.
Every time I hear the term "Pro-Life" I think about something George Carlin said... "Pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. After that, they don’t want to know about you. They don’t want to hear from you. No nothing. No neonatal care, no day care, no head start, no school lunch, no food stamps, no welfare, no nothing. If you’re pre-born, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re f****d." Obviously not EVERY one of them, but a good proportion of them feel this way (until someone says something to them and then suddenly they're NOT that kind of...yeah.)
Until they can vote.
That's actually one of my favorite quotes.
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The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!! And it's a complete myth that pro-Lifers don't care about kids once they're born!...that is about the lamest strawman argument pro-Choicers have....as for Carlin, he was a bit of a bore...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Ugh! Just stop
shut up. no one cares john
I mean, that is true..
I have had first-hand experience of how vicious and hateful anti-choice activists can be. How dare they call themselves Christians!
Anti-choice. That describes them so much better. And I'm sorry you had to experience their vitriol.
Gestation slavers. It's not about "saving" anything. It's about punishing women.
They are pretend Christians - just for show.
Pretend Christians/Muslims/Buddhists or whatever?? Not sure I'd agree--All you have to do is Read any of the established Religious Texts to see lots of cruelty & contradictions giving permission & even Encouraging you to think/behave this way-
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The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
I am a pacifist. I also believe everyone has the right to their own opinion. I respect everyone's rights to those opinions; even the ones with who I disagree. However, I'm sick of seeing YOUR narrow minded opinion and would gladly hit you upside your head with a 2x4 if I knew who--and where--you were.
The lack of empathy from these people is very similar to the gay marriage debate. The only conservative law makers who didn't oppose gay marriage were the ones that had gay relatives. They all have an empathy problem and can't put themselves in other peoples shoes. Also see the people that want to take Medicaid away from people that don't have jobs. It is much harder to get a job if you have health problems and can't get it care.
Not all abortions are from unwanted pregnancies. Sometimes they are medically necessary for a number of reasons that either put the mother at risk or will result in a stillborn child or one who would suffer unnecessarily were it to live. Unfortunately it is still referred to as an abortion, even late term, if the mother has to give birth to a stillborn child or the pregnancy has to be terminated because there is no longer a heartbeat.
This is one of the points I keep on bringing up. If a baby isn't going to live once they are born, it's awful forcing the mother to carry the baby to full term. Some women do chose to carry these babies to full term, they are far stronger than I am. I've worked in delivery suite and assisted these women, it's very hard at any any stage. I think it would be awful being pregnant with a baby that is missing their brain, and having to carry that baby to full term. Imagine going to the shops and having a stranger excited to see you are pregnant, when you know that your baby will never take a breath.
I have very brittle type 1 diabetes and I was told by several doctors that getting pregnant for me would be very dangerous and would necessitate an abortion. I've been told by some forced birthers that I should die try9ng to carry a baby rather than having an abortion. I know T1Ds can mostly have safe pregnancies but I'm not one of them.
Absolutely. The horror story of Indian/Irish dentist Savita Halappanavar is a lesson in what can go wrong when that sort of abortion is denied.
"... or one who would suffer unnecessarily were to live." That's perfectly fine with "pro-lifers" ..... as long as they don't suffer themselves.
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The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
Stupid person. You care more about the thing that isn't a person yet rather then the actual pregnant person.
You don't make a good argument for it buddy
John some people CANT afford to keep a baby/child ALIVE
And soon these conservative types won't even have the option to have these 'well, I'm the exception' abortions. I wonder how smug they'll feel when their teenage daughters get knocked up and there's nowhere to go to 'take care of it.'
Leah Helbig summarized what it’s all about: punishing women for having sex.
Leah, how closed minded of you. There are valid reasons a woman would choose abortion. SSometimes the baby is very much wanted, but the mothers body can't handle it.
Rich women have *always* had access to safe abortions. When contraceptives such as diaphrams were illegal decades ago, they had access to that as well. It's mainly poor women that they want to punish for having sex.
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I would help them raise the baby and show it a living home. I would never promote abortion. If you play the game its a consequence of having sex. That's why teens need to realize its not a recreational activity,
How many of those babies are you willing to help raise? Will you help with "special needs" children? Will you pay their college tuition?
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College tuition is not essential.
From what I've seen so far, I deduce that this type of people aren't “pro-life,” but rather, “pro-birth”. You feel so much empathy for an embryo, but where does that empathy go when innocent kids end up in orphanages or abusive homes? Where does it go when a vast majority of people continue to suffer in poverty so their basic demands like food, shelter, and education remain unfulfilled? Why aren't you just as angry when you see minority groups getting oppressed just for existing? So yes, “pro-birth” or “anti-choice” (as fellow user Freya said) are more accurate.
100% of unwanted pregnancies are caused by men and their semen. Legislate men and their semen NOW!!
as they say, prevention is better than a cure. If we look at it from a purely logical point of view, Frankenfrog, your suggestion is brilliant. (I doubt the male politicians / power holders would be willing to have THEIR bodies controlled though... how ironic, huh?)
When I hear people say if you don't want to get pregnant don't open your legs, I ask if they also tell guys that if they dont want to get someone pregnant don't open your zipper.
Most people aren't pro-life. They are pro-birth. Once the baby is born they no longer care until that person becomes a burden on society, then he or she has "lazy, good-for-nothing" parents and should be removed from the home.
I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning
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Hypocrisy? The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
john please. you're embarrassing yourself
Today on "Guess who voted Trump".
What is that called? Cognitive dissonance? It's definitely empathy dissonance.
I feel that the religious right is only "pro-life" if your life mirrors their life and is even less concerned after the baby is born. Not a good definition of "pro-life."
Zophra -
I was taken aback by the respondant (raraluiz) whose aunt had her first abortion at 13(!!!). Getting pregnant that young is almost always the result of statutory rape, which is also not at all uncommon in very rigidly religious patriarchal cultures.
Lack of good sex ed. also increases the likelihood of pregnancy at a young age.
We need to start calling "pro-lifers" pro- birthers. Bc they don't care about anyone's life only the birth.
K Witmer good
Awesome point. I award you a unicorn badge for making a valid point. 🦄
People are just stupid.. Omg 😲 I seriously hate people. I can't believe how many clinics shut down across the states because of these twats.
Also, every time I make a contribution to Planned Parenthood, I do it in honor of Mike Pence, so he gets a thank you card sent to his office.
OMG.... Jo Choto.... you are my spirit animal for the day. This... is BRILLIANT!!!
There are in fact MANY people who have abortions and feel absolutely no need to be regretful about it. Its just a fetus after all. And it IS healthcare. If I remember correctly the U.S. is the one of the few countries where you need to find a specific abortion clinic to perform the procedures. But in many other countries, like those in Europe, you can have an abortion in any damn regular hospital! Its just ridiculous that we don't have the same.
I feel like DarkBlueB (the person who wrote the rant about how annoyed cicada is a bad person) probably is a pro-life person who got an abortion. I mean i totally get being nice to people who are hesitant. But that person was literally saying she would rot in hell for doing what they were doing and they still helped her. (Im pro-choice if that matters)
sorry, I am a kid but what is abortion? I don't get it. Don't downvote, I really don't know what it is. Sorry if I offended you in any way.
Oof Me, in simplest terms, an abortion is a medical process of stopping (aborting) a pregnancy. ie they remove the embryonic cells, and placenta from the uterus. It should be done by a licenced medical professional. However, abortions have existed in various formats, for centuries. Different countries & states, will have different laws regarding when the procedure must by done by (eg 12 weeks into the pregnancy), and the steps that you must go through prior to the procedure (eg some simply require you to sign a form giving consent, others require you do counselling first etc). If ever you (or someone you know) needs information about the choices available, most 'westernised' countries will have free Sexual Health clinics that will give you information confidentially - often, you won't even need to give your name, regardless of your age. In the USA, Planned Parenthood is an example of a free clinic that can give you info. Ask any more questions, if you want. Happy to give info
thanks
p.s. you asking a question, in order to understand - is not offensive. :) Ignorance / naivety is far more problematic, than having information so you can make *informed* choices in life (regardless of the topic). If you have any more questions, I'm happy to do my best to provide you information / resources. Because I know growing up, I had to learn about "life" without any guidance - and it's not an easy thing. So questions are always welcome in my world.
AlanandLeila Hoyt... that image is such a MAJOR misrepresentation. The size / age / developmental stage of the fetus in the diagram you're using, is well beyond the time-frame for legal abortions. It is fear-mongering at it's worst, and completely misinformed.
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grew up surrounded by this hypocrisy of "do as I say, not as I do" bullshit. Makes me MAD. This is why, I am and forever will be pro-CHOICE... because I have no right to tell you what you should do, and you have no right to tell me what I should do... I have friends with 10 kids due to their beliefs, and friends who've had abortions, and friends who have struggled with fertility, and friends who've chosen to not have kids.... and we ALL get along, because we are ALL pro-CHOICE. It makes the world a lot easier to navigate - respecting that people need to make their own choices. <3
The hippocracy runs deep in those who think their rules of morality front apply to them. Pro life means all life. What point are they making by saving the fetus and shooting him later because he's pro choice? I wonder how many of the women throwing stuff and demanding crap told their husbands. Or their lovers. Or anyone who might judge them for their sins. There's no VIP pass into heaven and saying your with the band won't work. I think everybody is in for a big surprise when they get to heaven. I'm laughing just picturing how all of us suddenly no longer are as insufferably annoying as we were a week ago. Maybe our hard drive is wiped clean when we die. Ghosts are just stray bits of RAM that escaped disk clean up.
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Kanga9ine easy
Abortion is a very touchy subject. Not all abortions are performed because the person didn't want the baby. Sometimes the abortion is performed because the pregnancy is putting the mother's life in jeopardy. I have a family friend who had an ectopic pregnancy. She was in a lot of pain and suffering. If she had not aborted the baby, the pregnancy could have killed her. Also, these women have absolutely no right to come into an abortion clinic for an abortion and act like they are better than anyone else. Getting an abortion doesn't make you evil, but being a jerk to the clinic staff sure does. Pro- life activists need to stop acting like they are better than anyone else. First off, a fetus is not considered a person until something like 23 weeks therefore abortion seekers are not murdering anyone. Secondly, no one has the right to tell anyone else what to do with their own bodies. Instead of trying to tell someone what to do with their own life, just live your own.
Well--If your Dead when you take your Last breath--You can't be Alive until you take Your First-
I think it's the hypocrisy of the extreme religious right that pisses me off. They are forever condemning everyone else while secretly doing all the things they condemn others for, abortions included.
It's a power play. These religious types did not used to vote at all, by and large. Some Republicans/conservatives figured out they could be riled up and used to gain power. (There was some famous woman from the 70s who was one of the leaders in this.) Whenever religion gets involved with the government/law, that does not bode well for the country.
That's why we are supposed to have separation of church and state.
Jo Choto, having grown up in a family full of this kind of philosophy - across multiple faiths / denominations... you are 100% correct in your summation.
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Good thing the Auntie Network exists so you can just have someone in a normal country get abortion pills for you and send them to you in the mail.
My body, my choice. Period. So, answer me this "Pro-Lifers" When are going to start castrating pedophiles? Since you're such a judgmental group of f*****g hypocrites.
The double standards of the "pro-life" group is absolutely sickening... Sorry, but I truly despise them...
Who doesn't?
The hypocrisy of the "Pro-Lifers" infuriates me. 1. You hear about their leaders...even a Catholic archbishop...who get their girl (girlfriend, hooker, underage girl) in the "family way," and they give them the cash (or don't) and say, "Get an abortion." 2. How many times has the evangelical family been told over the dinner table that little Florence, aged 17, is in the "family way" by her boyfriend? He is pushed into the military to get him away from her (hopefully for life), while she goes to "visit her aunt" for three months, and comes home silent, sullen, and resentful. 3. The "pro-lifers" are all very concerned about the contents of the womb until it pops into the world. Then there's no spending or support for single mothers, no day care, no housing, no medical care, no job training. After all, it's their fault, isn't it? 4. And if the woman is pregnant because she was raped, well, it's her fault. ALWAYS.
David Lippman haha
The fascinating thing is that even if these people cared more about fetuses than actual babies - a lot more fetuses are miscarried than aborted. These are wanted, anticipated, and loved fetuses that die because the pregnant woman drank polluted water, worked in unsafe conditions, breathed polluted air, or didn't get enough prenatal care. Where are the "pro-lifers" on these issues? Why don't these dead fetuses matter?
Lara Mig. Those fetuses dont matter because big business would have to change to fix them. Its much easier to distract people by running around and yelling: THE LIBTARD MONKEYS ARE CRUSHING BABIES AND SUCKING THERE BRAIN JUICES TO REMAIN IN THEIR HUMAN SUITS. Then to say: ¨yes. we are causing thousands of wanted fetuses to die so we can get higher in the global money leaderboards with money that we didnt earn and dont need .
Sad that people like these ruin the name of anti-abortion. Most "pro-lifers" aren't truly pro-life
"It's the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"- Aristotle My point is, don't make snap judgements, listen, learn.
As the yrs go on--I have less & Less Respect for religion-- (All Religions) -With life experience I can see "The big Picture" --& the manipulation of people minds-- The churches get Richer & richer taking money from even the poorest folks-- Doing Token acts of kindness-- Encouraging their Flock to bring their children to church from a very young age (in any other thing this would be called "Indoctrination" -- (Cult)--
You are absolutely right and these "churches" are why people who have faith are seen as zealots. Even when we are not.
My response to people touting about banning abortion is; hows about we make a law where all men have vasectomies til they’re ready to become fathers... Course they say ‘that’s ridiculous’ etc. & I say so is controlling women’s bodies - which is what it’s really about
The pro life should really be called pro birth. Once the baby is born, they don't care what happens. They don't care the poverty, or possible hostile environment the baby will be born into. They don't care what happens when the mother dies during childbirth, because maybe she had a medical condition where being pregnant/giving birth could literally kill her (connective tissue disorder, for example). They don't care if the child has to be raised in the foster system because no one could or wanted to care for them. All the care about is exerting their morals or control over someone else's life choices.
What a shallow perspective.
Ugh I feel for you. Working in healthcare and providing care and kindness while being mocked and called names etc is not an easy vocation. They are probably very narssasistic. It's really pathetic behaviour
If you think abortion is murder, then that would make god the biggest murderer of all time. If god controls the natural world then he is responsible for the more than 50% of fertilized human eggs aborted through natural causes. Does God Kill Babies? "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."-Psalm 137:9 The bible is not pro-child. Why did God set a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24)? Far from demonstrating a "pro-life" attitude, the bible decimates innocent babies & pregnant women in passage after gory passage, starting with the flood & the wanton destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, progressing to the murder of the firstborn child of every household in Egypt (Ex. 12:29), & the New Testament threats of annihilation. Biblical commandments or threats to kill children: Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men, the women & the little ones. ffrf.org
Terd, God is not kind to ANY form of life on this planet, that's why "He" created man.
I've never been so offended by something I 100% agree with Cheers
Well well well. The Good Book could go straight to the silver screen and rake in beaucoup bucks. Whatever the beef is between God and Man, women have suffered through their antics forever. I think God had an idea, and he just didn't realize how screwed up things would get with the Free Will in the OS of man. And there are going to be bugs and stuff although it kinda changes the all and powerful God theory. He doesn't make mistakes. I've tried to think like that. "is it supposed to look like that." "Well it's got a unique taste, I'll give you that." "Are you out of your mind?" Questions like that from friends/recipients put the kabosh on thinking like God.
This really is sad. It just goes to show that someone's beliefs don't always shape their actions. These pseudo pro-life people are a minority, but it really gives the whole movement a bad name.
Yeah :/. I prefer using anti-abortion for those people because they aren't truly pro-life
The pseudo pro-life people aren't, hence the "pseudo", but the authentic ones who actually have integrity are indeed advocating for life. Whether you choose to call it a fetus or a baby, it's still dying.
Hypocrisy best describes this. And on the one hand they want the government to stay out of their lives but have no problem forcing themselves onto woman's rights. Bunch of hypocrits who hide their heads in church benches to not have to look their god in the eye.
I hate "small government conservatives" They really only want less government in religion,guns and taxes. besides that they want more government intervention. When they say dont tread on me. They mean tread on that guy over there
I had never thought that pro life women would ever have an abortion. This was eye opening for me and needs to be more publicly known. I was brought up Catholic and recognized as a kid the hypocrisy in religion and certainly in my mother's Catholic family. I guess I should have realized the reality -- the righteous hide so much.
These patients struggle with the same quandary that has plagued Christianity for centuries: balancing SELFISHNESS and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Maddening and sickening how little we've evolved from the whole "freedom from persecution" garbage the ancestors traveled & fought for. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But don't tell someone else what to do. Otherwise, give me your 2nd amendment bs and your guns.
So 20% of Americans think the pregnancy must go on even if the woman was raped or will likely die in the process? Charming.
This just really chaps my hide. Deciding it is necessary to end the life of what you and a partner created is never an easy decision. It is one of the hardest things I think a woman ever has to face. Is it better to go through 9 months of you and the little one inside working to find a way to handle the changes you both go through, and the say good bye when you finally come face to face after all those months. A couple of old friends saying their final goodbyes. The guilt and the shame felt by these Pro Life Women who find themselves in the same waiting rooms and scary, lonely places with women they look down on, are no better nor worse than any other woman they are forced to sit amongst. The discomfort at having to endure the added moral hippocrocy of those who sit in judgement without ever looking deeper is a step in healing the great injustice that exists when we start thinking can speak for God.
My, oh my.
You will discover that ALL "outraged" socially militant loudmouths are attention-seeking hypocrites if you dig very shallowly.
In Japan it's nearly impossible to get hormonal birth control pills. But abortions are easy to get. Their birth rate is terrifyingly low.
Brandy Grote follower
just don't f*****g treat these people, if they think it's illegal and "you should burn in hell" then so should they! You can lower the amount of terminated pregnancies but letting people like these not have an abortion. Also remember to send the youth welfare office after their asses so they get controlled day in and day out until they either have a mental breakdown or give in. No mercy for hypocritical unempathetic assholes. If they speak their opinion, they should LIVE BY IT. :)
Wouldn't want to put a kid through life with a parent like that.
From a couple of years ago: the abortion rates among western nations :... -US- 93.0 per 1000. -England and Wales-62.6 per 1000. -Canada- 62.6 p34 1000. -Belgium- 15.1 per 1000. Belgium has an excellent sex education program and schools and parents are not allowed to opt out. In the US and the UK , there are all kinds of exemptions and opting out is allowed. And, another significant example of the hypocrisy of claiming to be pro-life was revealed during the early years of the AIDS epidemic , with the religious right fiercely opposed top the use of any public funds for research into HIV. The subsequent delay in the development of effective treatment options denied thousands even a fighting chance at survival. Then, a more recent example .......following the mass shooting at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, a prominent Baptist preacher in Sacramento, Ca., stated publicly , that he was disappointed that more weren't killed, and hope that those hospitalized , not recover.
Let me tell you a little story about my wife and my experience with our family beginnings. Her first pregnancy ended in a miscarriage at around 3 months. Her second went to full term and we now have a 36 year old son with a five year old daughter of his own. Our second child was born five years later, a "little" surprise we welcomed with open hearts and minds. My wife was 36 when the second was born. Our boys are as different as night and day. The oldest is the "smart" one, graduated at the top of all his classes in high school and college. The younger one, diagnosed with light to medium autism and pervasive developmental delay and attended special education classes throughout his time in school. BUT, like we found in a lot of kids like him, he has some unique talents as well. He NEVER forgets names, dates or places he meets anyone or different events that happen in his or our lives. He also doesn't meet a strangers, if they are when he first encounters them, they won't be for long.
This post and all the comments above are from Imgur, just so all of you know :)
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As someone who is asexual and pro-choice, I think that if I ever got pregnant, hypothetically, I don’t know what I would do. Face the shame of being a single mom or the shame of an abortion? I wouldn’t be ready for either. Christianity is what’s doing right for you and for God, and maybe meeting in the middle sometimes. Would I regret not having a child or regret having one. Luckily, birth control exists. And I don’t think I’ll ever risk it. Even when people talk about all the awful things conservative Christians do, I really hope you’ll remember that they’re not every Christian, remember that we struggle and that not everyone is going to be your enemy.
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"But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another? How do we persuade a woman not to have an abortion? As always, we must persuade her with love, and we remind ourselves that love means to be willing to give until it hurts. Jesus gave even his life to love us. So the mother who is thinking of abortion, should be helped to love - that is, to give until it hurts her plans, or her free time, to respect the life of her child. The father of that child, whoever he is, must also give until it hurts. By abortion, the mother does not learn to love, but kills even her own child to solve her problems. And by abortion, the father is told that he does not have to take any responsibility at all for the child he has brought into the world." - Mother Teresa
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abortion is murder
If you think abortion is murder, then that would make god the biggest murderer of all time. If god controls the natural world then he is responsible for the more than 50% of fertilized human eggs aborted through natural causes. Does God Kill Babies? "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."-Psalm 137:9 The bible is not pro-child. Why did God set a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24)? Far from demonstrating a "pro-life" attitude, the bible decimates innocent babies & pregnant women in passage after gory passage, starting with the flood & the wanton destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, progressing to the murder of the firstborn child of every household in Egypt (Ex. 12:29), & the New Testament threats of annihilation. Biblical commandments or threats to kill children: Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men, the women & the little ones. ffrf.org
Dont downvote too much because then we cant respond and tell ppl why it isnt murder. Remember guys. They win by being "silenced" dont give them that. Or if you do downvote something that could be argued. Maybe consider leaving a rebuttle. ( i just put this here to vent some steam mainly about how i see people spreading dangerous information in these comments and they get too many downvotes so i cant respond. Also the fact that it gets hidden at that point makes a certain kind of people more receptive to it)
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Whaaaa! You need consent legal consent the signing of paperwork for a medical procedure? That would ironically be completely total admittance to acknowledging certain things thus creating legal evidence in her case of being a f*****g retarded dumbass hypocrite. Oh my who f*****g knew? Not like walking into a clinic is like taking take out food ffs
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Yawn. Yes, everyone is a hypocrite. Conservatives take government handouts whenever they can. Lots of liberals own stock in Amazon and oil companies. Veterans argue against universal health care while getting all their medical care from the government.
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Thou shall Not Kill! The sixth commandment.
That's the fifth lol
You quote that bt i bet you support kyle rittenhouse (Murderer and terrorist) and the military (In the current political climate they are necessary but still murder people)
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If you think abortion is murder, then that would make god the biggest murderer of all time. If god controls the natural world then he is responsible for the more than 50% of fertilized human eggs aborted through natural causes. Does God Kill Babies? "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."-Psalm 137:9 The bible is not pro-child. Why did God set a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24)? Far from demonstrating a "pro-life" attitude, the bible decimates innocent babies & pregnant women in passage after gory passage, starting with the flood & the wanton destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, progressing to the murder of the firstborn child of every household in Egypt (Ex. 12:29), & the New Testament threats of annihilation. Biblical commandments or threats to kill children: Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men, the women & the little ones. ffrf.org
@wouldnt you like too know. So its okay to terminate babies at or before 17 days right?
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Say what you will. Abortion kills people.
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Why is abortion legal but suicide isn’t?
Physician-assisted suicide is legal in nine US states and the District of Columbia. It is an option given to individuals by law in the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont and Washington. It is an option given to individuals in Montana and California via court decision. Individuals must have a terminal illness as well as a prognosis of six months or less to live. Physicians cannot be prosecuted for prescribing medications to hasten death.
great response to a very bad comment
Lori Spins lol
Who are you going to arrest for committing suicide?
Assisted suicide is very much legal. I wonder though, do people get arrested after they attempt and fail to commit suicide? What about the ones who follow through and commit suicide. Who is prosecuted since it is illegal? Anyways .....
Yes, suicide in many countries (where they do not have medically-assisted suicide) is illegal. A friend's mother tried to commit suicide, and she was handcuffed to her hospital bed when she woke up. It's better in some places now--if you try to commit suicide, you will get court-mandated therapy, or you will have to stay in the hospital until doctors decide you are no longer a threat to yourself. As you can imagine, depending on the state and the institution, this may not be a positive experience.
What does one have to do with the other??
Both are denying people the right to decide for themselves.
First Last lol
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The truth is that for the most part, pro-life vs pro-choice basically boils down to "when does a human life begin?", and a person's opinion on this doesn't inherently make them a good or bad person just because they appear to the other side to be pro controlling women or pro murder. The hypocrisy mentioned here is no different from any other; erratic behavior is not surprising from people facing a tough situation.
I agree that the different opinion on "when life begins" doesn't make you a bad person. But pushing that opinion on others does. If you think that life begins with conception? No biggie, don't have an abortion then if you consider it murder. But don't make me not have it when I personally believe differently.
Scyth killing a living, breathing person is not the same as abortion. A foetus cannot survive outside of the womb when the abortions are done, the foetus has no identity and no awareness. Comparing apples to oranges.
Pamela24 - here, here. If only all people could just keep their noses out of others business.
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So if someone believes that killing other people with a knife is okay, should I let him continue doing that?
Just you saying "pro-murder" says what side you come down on. And that's an awful nasty thing to say.
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Remember when R v W was enacted and the liberals all said abortion was going to be rare and only when the mother's life was in danger. It has now become a disgusting form of birth control!
Please shut up.
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Conservative types do not have less empathy! There is not need for people to insult people of other views. Having a different view doesn't mean you have less empathy or morality.
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This...isn't the kind of thing I come to Bored Panda for. I hate seeming contentious crap everywhere. Why here too?
Andrew O'Neill easy
Dont downvote him for that. He just said he doesnt come here for news. Not something to lower his karma over
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This app is the most blatantly left-wing collection of utter garbage. Stop being so biased, and provide entertainment, instead of pathetic political undertones.
There's nothing wrong with a left-wing bias. It generally comes from compassion and caring about others. If you don't like it, just go. No wants your right-wing evil and your insipid opinions. No one asked you.
matthew im sure you watch fox news so dont complain
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Bias in any form is wrong. And I'm surprised that you consider right wing to be more evil than the left wing. Communism that killed more than 130 million people in the last century is left wing, and Nazism is actually centrist.
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Matthew Chapman good
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So much suffering
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I feel that abortion would hardly be an issue to debate over if the real issue was corrected: the person themselves. Every person that I know and have ever known knows what birth control options are and how to use them. A box of condoms are under ten dollars. It's that people can be irresponsible and/or lazy. Then they get pregnant, turn scared and eventually become selfish. Unless a woman is raped, the unwanted pregnancy results from irresponsibility, not lack of education. Most people will never admit to their faults. A woman will hold a sign up that states, "Its my uterus". But we'll never see her holding one up that states, "I was lazy and irresponsible and I'm not dealing with the consequences either". I'm guessing the particular women in this article are self-righteous, which is a personal characteristic that they can only fix within themselves if they ever can admit to it. Our entire planet is dying from the same reasons: irresponsibility, laziness and selfishness.
Emy--many women get pregnant for rape--I've had many condoms break or other birth control options fail. None are 100% effective. Men sometimes refuse to wear a condom, or they secretly remove them, or they promise to pull out but don't. Sometimes these women do not have $10 for a box of condoms, do not have access to condoms, or don't even know how pregnancy happens. People make mistakes; we are human. Yes, irresponsibility is killing the planet, as is greed and a lack of empathy for all living things.
Overpopulation is killing the planet, too. Last thing the planet/society needs is millions of unwanted kids.
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This is the most tasteless article I've ever seen and the irony is astounding.
I hope you see the irony in your own statement.
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No I dont ...care to point it out?
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Another thing we are going have to reclassify what is considered alive since a heartbeat isn't enough. I hear the agruement that its because the fetus can't survive on their own without life support till about 30 wks. Well what about people who have LVADs for their hearts, people on kidney dialysis, diabetics? By that logic they are not really alive. Also if a single celled organism is found on a planet its considered life but not a fetus with a heartbeat.
It is impossible to say whether something is alive or not. If a robot dog barks like a dog, thinks like a dog, and acts like a dog, and simulates pain like a dog, is it alive and is it a dog? Why is it considered that plants aren't alive but animals are? In the end they are both the same complex chemical reactions but at different scales. The only thing you can know for sure is alive yourself only, not even other people. That's why I'm pro choice.
Plants *are* alive.
Scyth, You're right, and in 1973, the SCOTUS agreed. Case closed.
Look under kwitmer post next. Maybe it'll sink in scyth
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Are you kidding me? Think we just need to call a spade a spade and end this back and forth prolife/ pro abortion argument. Abortion is killing a live fetus END OF STORY. How much or little you value that life is the only argument and it seems that an awful lot of people just dont.
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Plants are as much alive as a combustion reaction. A computer programmed to grow amd replicate itself isn't alive, as it's a computer, so why should a similar thing but made of organic material be considered alive?
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This article tears down vulnerable women in their worst moments and crucifies them for their foibles. It gloats over the pain of women, whose only crime is to be human and flawed. Humans are truly monstrous at times
How does this article do this? There is very little, if any, editorializing. It simply states the facts, "A woman told me I was going to hell while I held her hand." If anything, this shows the empathy and care this nurse provides despite being attacked for doing the very thing the patient has come in for.
@Dee McGee--nope. I've read your other posts here, and I am confused. You believe without a doubt that abortion is murder, yet you are scandalized and disgusted by a nurse's report of the abuse she and doctors and other patients experience by pro-lifers coming in for abortions. Got it.
At Dee Mcgee--because you have written "abortion is murder"
You've read my posts yet you state that "I believe without doubt that abortion is murder" ..care to show me where I've said that. Typical thirsty armchair warrior, changing the script to fit their POV ..grow up
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Because its promoting the rhetoric of an extremely unprofessional and judgemental medical professional (employee of abortion clinic) who shows little regard or understanding of the bigger picture. Very disappointing
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BP commenters are majority a bunch of filthy liberals with not a care for unborn children. The VAST MAJORITY of all abortions don't involve any birth defect, any danger to mom, nor rape or incest. It's simply killing perfectly healthy babies. CHOOSE LIFE!!!!
Take your biased right wing opinion somewhere else or just do everyone a favor and shut up.
conservatives want live babies to turn them into dead soldiers. (i only kinda believe that but since john called liberals filthy i had to shoot back)
what are you going to do? cry about it? if you don't like it here then leave john.
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Abortion is MURDER. No matter what people tell you, a fetus is a complete human being. "A person is a person, no matter how small" - Dr Seuss. Also, Planned Parenthood was founded by a white supremacist who wanted to keep blacks and other minorities from multiplying.
Quit twisting and cherry picking history and spinning it to suit your personal agenda. Dr Seuss meant children already born, not fetuses that cannot live on their own. And read up on Margaret Sanger. She may have been a product of her time with respect to race—-most white people were at that time, unfortunately—-but she had the correct motivations to ensure all women had access to family planning and birth control.
MantisQueefer, if you think abortion is murder, then that would make god the biggest murderer of all time. If god controls the natural world then he is responsible for the more than 50% of fertilized human eggs aborted through natural causes. Does God Kill Babies? "Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."-Psalm 137:9 The bible is not pro-child. Why did God set a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24)? Far from demonstrating a "pro-life" attitude, the bible decimates innocent babies & pregnant women in passage after gory passage, starting with the flood & the wanton destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, progressing to the murder of the firstborn child of every household in Egypt (Ex. 12:29), & the New Testament threats of annihilation. Biblical commandments or threats to kill children: Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men, the women & the little ones.
Mantis Queefer got me right off the bat! Thank you (and excellent argument)
Nope.
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Oh good another misogynist hate campaign on BP. Already fed up of Karens?
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I think that the fact that humans are justifying killing unborn babies in the first place is horrible. They are humans to! Tell me im a moron or whatnot for thinking this. I dont care. But just remeber this. What if your mom aborted you?
If my mum aborted me then I wouldn’t care because I wouldn’t know any different. Especially as the awareness part of a foetuses brain isn’t even developed when abortions are done.