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People On Social Media Point Out That The Bible Was Translated Wrong And Didn’t Say Anything About Homosexuality
People On Social Media Point Out That The Bible Was Translated Wrong And Didn’t Say Anything About Homosexuality
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People On Social Media Point Out That The Bible Was Translated Wrong And Didn’t Say Anything About Homosexuality

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History is tricky. It can be one-sided, deceitful, hurtful, it can get rewritten by those in power. It can be easily manipulated. But biblical history is even trickier to track, and it can also be used as a tool for manipulation. The original thoughts and ideas are prone to getting lost in translation, especially when the book is said to have been originally written about 2700 years ago. Apparently, some people believe that this was what happened with the word “homosexuality” in the Bible. Some say it wasn’t added to the Holy Book until 1946 and it’s causing quite a stir among some people. Scroll down to find out more.

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    These two social media users—one on Facebook and the other on Tumblr—are pointing out how the world “arsenokoitai” in the Bible was translated wrong. According to them, it actually translates to a “child molester,” not homosexual as recent translations indicate. “The way Leviticus 18:22 is truly written,” they explain, is: “Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.”

    The Tumblr user under the username sunshine-tattoo reveals that they’re Jewish and that the topic is “incredibly important” to them. They go on to say that “Christians know very little about the culture that is found within the stories of the Old Testament.”

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    They say that homosexuality wasn’t mentioned in the Bible until the 20th century

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    In an interview for Forge Online, Ed Oxford—a graduate of Talbot School of Theology and a researcher in how the Bible has been weaponized against LGBTQ people—went into more detail about the translations of the Bible.

    “I wanted to see how other cultures and translations treated the same verses when they were translated during the Reformation 500 years ago. So I started collecting old Bibles in French, German, Irish, Gaelic, Czechoslovakian, Polish… you name it,” Ed explained. “I had a German friend come back to town and I asked if he could help me with some passages in one of my German Bibles from the 1800s. So we went to Leviticus 18:22 and he’s translating it for me word for word. In the English where it says ‘Man shall not lie with man, for it is an abomination,’ the German version says ‘Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.’ I said, ‘What?! Are you sure?’ He said, ‘Yes!’ Then we went to Leviticus 20:13— same thing, ‘Young boys,'” he continued.

    Ed goes on to explain how he met up with a friend who’s fluent in Swedish and Norwegian to ask her the same thing: “She’s going through it [the verses] carefully, and then her face comes up, ‘Do you know what this says?!’ and I said, ‘No! That’s why you are here!’ She said, ‘It says boy abusers, boy molesters.’ It turns out that the ancient world condoned and encouraged a system whereby young boys (8-12 years old) were coupled by older men. Ancient Greek documents show us how even parents utilized this abusive system to help their sons advance in society.” He concludes by saying that “for most of history, most translations thought these verses were obviously referring to the pederasty, not homosexuality!”

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    Neringa is a proud writer at Bored Panda who used to study English and French linguistics. Although she has many different interests, she's particularly drawn to covering stories about pop culture as well as history. While not at the office, this Panda enjoys creepy movies, poetry, photography and learning how to play the piano.

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    Aragorn II Elessar
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    5 years ago (edited)

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    Interesting, because they only mention the Greek word that was changed. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. No change is mentioned to the Hebrew text. I know a lot of you are thinking that Christians are hypocrites, and, to be fair, a lot of Christians are. My view is that I love and follow God as best as I can, but it is in no way my place to tell other people how to live their lives. I fully support LGBTQ rights, even though I’m not part of that community. Even if I thought that it was wrong, that’s still not grounds for discrimination against that group.

    Uncommon Boston
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew, a few small sections were written in Aramaic. The New Testament was written Greek. There are over 5,000 handwritten copies of the Bible, in its entirety or just sections. They agree 98% of the time.

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    Harper Hale-Gibson
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finally! As a nonbinary and pansexual Christian, I've been saying this since I first found out about it. Like, jeez. Calm down, Dad, so what if I want to wear a suit to prom, you're acting like I told you I was pregnant with you brother's baby.

    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My partner is non-binary and you could classify me as pan :) good luck to you. People have a hard time with nuance

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    Uncommon Boston
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is not one BIBLE text. It was written down many times, over hundreds of years, in different languages and societies. There are several accepted versions. Taking anything word for word is a bit ignorant, don't you think? In the meantime, try to forgive, love your neighbor, and help take care of the poor.

    Michelle Hoffman
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You write that "the way Leviticus 18:22 is truly written is 'Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.' " As a Hebrew speaking person I can categorically say that you either do not understand Hebrew or are willfully misleading. The Hebrew word used in the original text is זכר - "zachar" - which means "male" and NOT "young boys". So the text explicitly states the prohibition a man of lying with a man. It is however true that the word homosexuality is not mentioned in the Hebrew bible. It is only the specific act which is forbidden not the general orientation.

    BG
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Arsenokoitai literally means "male sexual activity". Whereas child sexual activity would be paidokoitai. This entire post is garbage.

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    Flash Henry
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    5 years ago

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    My friend is Jewish Orthodox and I think she explained the Rules in the Old Testament the best--she said if you think about the time it was written and the conditions the Jewish people were living in at the time (lots and lots of wandering), it really reads more like a manual for how not to die of things like salmonella and venereal diseases.

    Tree
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Jewish Orthodox, and now I'm really curious. Which rules was she referring to? Or was she putting all the rules under an umbrella of 'survival tips'? Because I think a lot of rules aren't for survival, there's also basic moral rules, like 'don't kill' or 'don't steal' etc. So I'm wondering which rules she was thinking of. Would you be able to ask her?

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    Dave P
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually this person is 100% wrong. He is relying on a old greek translation (and not even the older Greek Translations which do not use the word he does. He is using a medieval Greek one, the older ones are different than his) of the Hebrew וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה תּֽוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא as you can see, the word used is "Zachor" meaning Male. Just the generic term for the whole Male sex, meaning both Young and Old. To be exact with the translation it real, וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר - and with a Male. לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה- you shall not lie down with (aka polite term for sex) as a woman תּֽוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא- for it is an abomination

    Dave P
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Given all the downvotes (-3 at this point), I guess people do not like facts or actually knowing anything on the topic they are discussing. They would rather be ignorant on the matter rather than an expert explain to them ancient Hebrew. Not surprised given how anti-facts so many of the people here are.

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    Christophe Beunens
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The+real+question+is+:+Should+we+continue+to+live+like+we+did+2000+years+ago,+or+earlier?+Women+don't+have+a+nice+role+neither+in+the+Bible,+the+Torah+or+the+Koran.+Should+we+also+use+this+as+a+reason+for+discriminiation,+just+like+the+bible+was+used+to+justify+slavery+of+black+people.+This+literal+interpretation+of+the+bible+has+in+my+opinion+done+more+bad+than+good.

    Ian Bartels
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is sad because I feel like most people that are part of the LGBT community believe that Christians hate them. We believe (or should believe) that all people, men and women, are created equal. Joseph Smith once said, "The worth of every soul is great in the eyes of God.". Every single being is so important to God because we are his children.

    Aunt Messy
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, the xtianists hate them.

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    Alexandru Bucur
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not ok with this attempt of "ret-conning" the Bible to make it look like it never said anything objectionable, when it clearly does. First off, the Greek word "ἀρσενοκοίτης" literally means "[one] who beds males", from the word "ἄρσην" (arsên) meaning "male" and "κοίτης" which is the genitive of the word "κοίτη" (koitê), "bed", which also gave, via Latin, the English word "coitus". Not to mention, that the Hebrew version of the texts uses the expression "mishkav zakur", which also directly translates as "lying with a male", no indication of age. So yeah, the Bible is homophobic, because the people who wrote it were. Oh, and it absolutely condones paedophilia, if it's done by a man to a girl - the Targum Yerushalmi comments on Exodus 21:7 that the age from which a girl can be sold by their fathers into sexual slavery is "twelve and a day" years old.

    BG
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    5 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    12 years and 1 day would be 13 years of age by their reckoning. Many cultures (not my culture) consider 13 adulthood. This comment will disappear soon because BP readers tend to downvote hard facts which they're not comfortable with.

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    abby smink
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    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Christian, I hate when people try to use religion/being a Christian to spread hate. I truly feel Jesus would not want us hating in such a way. I hate it because I feel like it gives people the wrong impression of what all Christians are.

    Ann Rii
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Real christians don't hate anyone. But it has nothing to do with hate if some christians consider homosexual acts to be sinful. It has nothing to do with hate. Those people who claim to be christians and are hateful towards other people are fake christians.

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    Aragorn II Elessar
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    5 years ago (edited)

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    Interesting, because they only mention the Greek word that was changed. The Old Testament was written in Hebrew. No change is mentioned to the Hebrew text. I know a lot of you are thinking that Christians are hypocrites, and, to be fair, a lot of Christians are. My view is that I love and follow God as best as I can, but it is in no way my place to tell other people how to live their lives. I fully support LGBTQ rights, even though I’m not part of that community. Even if I thought that it was wrong, that’s still not grounds for discrimination against that group.

    Uncommon Boston
    Community Member
    Premium
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Old Testament was written mostly in Hebrew, a few small sections were written in Aramaic. The New Testament was written Greek. There are over 5,000 handwritten copies of the Bible, in its entirety or just sections. They agree 98% of the time.

    Load More Replies...
    Harper Hale-Gibson
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finally! As a nonbinary and pansexual Christian, I've been saying this since I first found out about it. Like, jeez. Calm down, Dad, so what if I want to wear a suit to prom, you're acting like I told you I was pregnant with you brother's baby.

    pusheen buttercup
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My partner is non-binary and you could classify me as pan :) good luck to you. People have a hard time with nuance

    Load More Replies...
    Uncommon Boston
    Community Member
    Premium
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is not one BIBLE text. It was written down many times, over hundreds of years, in different languages and societies. There are several accepted versions. Taking anything word for word is a bit ignorant, don't you think? In the meantime, try to forgive, love your neighbor, and help take care of the poor.

    Michelle Hoffman
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You write that "the way Leviticus 18:22 is truly written is 'Man shall not lie with young boys as he does with a woman, for it is an abomination.' " As a Hebrew speaking person I can categorically say that you either do not understand Hebrew or are willfully misleading. The Hebrew word used in the original text is זכר - "zachar" - which means "male" and NOT "young boys". So the text explicitly states the prohibition a man of lying with a man. It is however true that the word homosexuality is not mentioned in the Hebrew bible. It is only the specific act which is forbidden not the general orientation.

    BG
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Arsenokoitai literally means "male sexual activity". Whereas child sexual activity would be paidokoitai. This entire post is garbage.

    Load More Replies...
    Flash Henry
    Community Member
    5 years ago

    This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

    My friend is Jewish Orthodox and I think she explained the Rules in the Old Testament the best--she said if you think about the time it was written and the conditions the Jewish people were living in at the time (lots and lots of wandering), it really reads more like a manual for how not to die of things like salmonella and venereal diseases.

    Tree
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Jewish Orthodox, and now I'm really curious. Which rules was she referring to? Or was she putting all the rules under an umbrella of 'survival tips'? Because I think a lot of rules aren't for survival, there's also basic moral rules, like 'don't kill' or 'don't steal' etc. So I'm wondering which rules she was thinking of. Would you be able to ask her?

    Load More Replies...
    Dave P
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually this person is 100% wrong. He is relying on a old greek translation (and not even the older Greek Translations which do not use the word he does. He is using a medieval Greek one, the older ones are different than his) of the Hebrew וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה תּֽוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא as you can see, the word used is "Zachor" meaning Male. Just the generic term for the whole Male sex, meaning both Young and Old. To be exact with the translation it real, וְאֶ֨ת־זָכָ֔ר - and with a Male. לֹ֥א תִשְׁכַּ֖ב מִשְׁכְּבֵ֣י אִשָּׁ֑ה- you shall not lie down with (aka polite term for sex) as a woman תּֽוֹעֵבָ֖ה הִֽוא- for it is an abomination

    Dave P
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Given all the downvotes (-3 at this point), I guess people do not like facts or actually knowing anything on the topic they are discussing. They would rather be ignorant on the matter rather than an expert explain to them ancient Hebrew. Not surprised given how anti-facts so many of the people here are.

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    Christophe Beunens
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The+real+question+is+:+Should+we+continue+to+live+like+we+did+2000+years+ago,+or+earlier?+Women+don't+have+a+nice+role+neither+in+the+Bible,+the+Torah+or+the+Koran.+Should+we+also+use+this+as+a+reason+for+discriminiation,+just+like+the+bible+was+used+to+justify+slavery+of+black+people.+This+literal+interpretation+of+the+bible+has+in+my+opinion+done+more+bad+than+good.

    Ian Bartels
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is sad because I feel like most people that are part of the LGBT community believe that Christians hate them. We believe (or should believe) that all people, men and women, are created equal. Joseph Smith once said, "The worth of every soul is great in the eyes of God.". Every single being is so important to God because we are his children.

    Aunt Messy
    Community Member
    Premium
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, the xtianists hate them.

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    Alexandru Bucur
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not ok with this attempt of "ret-conning" the Bible to make it look like it never said anything objectionable, when it clearly does. First off, the Greek word "ἀρσενοκοίτης" literally means "[one] who beds males", from the word "ἄρσην" (arsên) meaning "male" and "κοίτης" which is the genitive of the word "κοίτη" (koitê), "bed", which also gave, via Latin, the English word "coitus". Not to mention, that the Hebrew version of the texts uses the expression "mishkav zakur", which also directly translates as "lying with a male", no indication of age. So yeah, the Bible is homophobic, because the people who wrote it were. Oh, and it absolutely condones paedophilia, if it's done by a man to a girl - the Targum Yerushalmi comments on Exodus 21:7 that the age from which a girl can be sold by their fathers into sexual slavery is "twelve and a day" years old.

    BG
    Community Member
    5 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    12 years and 1 day would be 13 years of age by their reckoning. Many cultures (not my culture) consider 13 adulthood. This comment will disappear soon because BP readers tend to downvote hard facts which they're not comfortable with.

    Load More Replies...
    abby smink
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a Christian, I hate when people try to use religion/being a Christian to spread hate. I truly feel Jesus would not want us hating in such a way. I hate it because I feel like it gives people the wrong impression of what all Christians are.

    Ann Rii
    Community Member
    5 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Real christians don't hate anyone. But it has nothing to do with hate if some christians consider homosexual acts to be sinful. It has nothing to do with hate. Those people who claim to be christians and are hateful towards other people are fake christians.

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