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Child-Free Women Refuse To Spend Their Vacation With Friend’s Kids, She Ends Friendship Over It
Child-Free Women Refuse To Spend Their Vacation With Friend’s Kids, She Ends Friendship Over It
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Child-Free Women Refuse To Spend Their Vacation With Friend’s Kids, She Ends Friendship Over It

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Friendships are a funny thing; one day, you’re splitting fries and spilling secrets, and the next, you’re dodging passive-aggressive texts over vacation plans. People grow, priorities shift, and sometimes, that carefree buddy who used to be down for spontaneous road trips now needs a six-month notice and a spreadsheet itinerary.

But the real test of a friendship? Seeing how it holds up when personal wants don’t perfectly align. Some friendships roll with it, others crack under the pressure, and a few? Well, they combust over group chats—and voice notes longer than an audiobook. Just ask our Redditor; she learned that the hard way.

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    One woman loses a 10-year friendship because she doesn’t invite her single mom friend and her kids on a beach getaway with a mutual friend

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    The two friends have always been accommodating and flexible around their newly divorced friend, but they want to enjoy a child-free beach vacation

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    The single mom feels betrayed by her friends for not being invited on their vacation with her kids, ending their 10-year friendship over it

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    The woman asks if she’s a jerk for not wanting to go on vacation with her friend and her 2 kids

    The OP (original poster), a 30-year-old child-free woman, just wanted to sip cocktails on the beach with her bestie, Lina. Sarah, their longtime friend, and a single mom, apparently saw herself as the friendship gatekeeper. When she found out she wasn’t invited, along with her 2 energetic kiddos, she wasn’t just disappointed. She felt betrayed.

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    Now, let’s be real—vacationing with kids is a very different experience than an adults-only escape. One involves sleeping in, leisurely brunches, and spontaneous decisions. The other? Screaming meltdowns and early wake-ups. And let’s not forget that traveling with kids means being prepared for every possible crisis, from forgotten teddy bears to snack-based negotiations that would put a high-level diplomat to shame.

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    Sarah, however, didn’t see the issue. She expected her friends to include her and the kids because they’ve always been flexible with her situation. She tried guilt-tripping them, saying they should be more considerate since she’s in a “difficult situation” and doesn’t have other friends to travel with. Because nothing says “you’re my bestie” better than emotional manipulation.

    A little bit of honesty? Totally fine. But when someone starts weaponizing their struggles to get what they want, it stops being about mutual respect and turns into emotional manipulation. Guilt-tripping often involves making someone feel like a bad person for setting boundaries or prioritizing their own needs. This kind of emotional blackmail isn’t part of a healthy friendship, but just a recipe for resentment.

    When Sarah’s friends gently explained that this trip was meant to be kid-free, she was furious, insisting that if the roles were reversed, she would’ve invited them. But let’s be honest—if the roles were reversed, they’d be tagging along on her family trip and adapting to her plans, not reshaping an entire beach vacation around kids.

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    The very offended Sarah declared she wasn’t sure their friendship could survive this. She dropped a 12-minute voice note, which is basically the digital equivalent of door-slamming, officially ending their decade-long friendship over the betrayal. Oh, and apparently, their failure to spend New Year’s Eve with her and the kids was strike two.

    At this point, our vacation-loving Redditor was left wondering if she was really the villain for wanting a trip that didn’t involve potty breaks and bedtime tantrums. But is she? After all, real friends don’t make each other feel bad for having different wants and needs. They communicate, they compromise, and most importantly, they respect each other’s boundaries.

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    To find out more about the situation, Bored Panda reached out to the poster for some comments. She told us that she doesn’t have a relationship with Sarah anymore, since she decided to end their decade-long friendship with a 12-minute voice message.

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    We asked the poster how her friend Lina reacted to Sarah’s behavior regarding the vacation. She explained that Lina was very supportive when dealing with Sarah’s reaction. Interestingly, Sarah didn’t even send her a separate message—she simply forwarded the exact same voice note the poster received. After that, she sent Lina a short note saying that everything she had said to the poster applied to her as well.

    We wanted to know if Sarah had displayed similar behavior in the past. The poster told us that, “In the past, Sarah has sometimes made her personal struggles—such as relationship issues—a central focus in our friendship, particularly in our early 20s. However, this situation reached an entirely new level that we had never experienced before.”

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    We asked the poster if she had reached out to Sarah since the fallout. She said that, since receiving Sarah’s voice message, she hasn’t made any effort to contact her. She did reply once with the message she shared in her Reddit post, where she explained her side of things, but that was the last time they communicated.

    “I do know that she reached out to another mutual friend of ours. However, she hasn’t been in regular contact with this person for a long time, which I find quite telling—especially considering that she chose to cut off her two closest friends over this,” the poster explained.

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    What do you think of this story? Was Sarah being unfair, or should her friends have made room for her and the kids? Drop your comments below!

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    Hi! I'm Moni. I’m a globetrotting creative with a camera in one hand and a notebook in the other. I’ve lived in 4 different countries, an visited 17, soaking up inspiration wherever I go. A marketer by trade but a writer at heart, I’ve been crafting stories, poems, and songs, and creating quirky characters since I was 7.

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    Janelle Collard
    Community Member
    Premium
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sarah is cutting off her nose to spite her face. Now she'll have NO supporters to help plan stuff to do. Too bad for you, Sarah! And, obviously, OP is NTA.

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    Premium
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's not hard to see why her marriage broke up. She sounds like a narcissist. Her expectations are entirely ridiculous and unrealistic. My best friend of 40+ years had kids and I didn't and she has friends she does stuff with that I'm not involved with, and I'm completely fine with that. Good riddance IMO.

    Janelle Collard
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right? "My way or the highway" it sounds like. OP has done way more for Sarah than I would have re: including the kids.

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    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a single person with no kids, I am constantly excluded from holidays with kids because of that. So yeah, I'm not going to include you on my holidays that I want to be child free when I have already done enough to accommodate your wishes and children on your terms. That friendship is now over - and now that holiday is guilt free. And child free. Bon voyage!

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably also just lost a couple of babysitters too.

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    Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I couldn't be friends with someone who can't be without her kids, not even a few hours.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds like Sarah is like some folks who lose one identity (Sarah) and taken up another (mom) when they have kids. Their entire existence is wrapped up in the kids. If so, she will come around in about 18 years.

    ॐBoyGanesh
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the first and/or only way you can describe yourself is as a parent, you may want to think hard & deep about your self-identification. I am me, I enjoy this and do that & my hobbies/interests are…I’m also a husband & a father to two pretty incredible guys.

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    George Costanza
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Childfree events are meant to be childfree. A girls weekend would be completely different if someone brings their kids with them. No way.

    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That reply message was WAY nicer than Sarah deserves

    Mel in Georgia
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a friend/neighbor who brings her kids with her to all sorts of neighborhood get-togethers involving alcohol/adult talk. They are good kids, but jeez, no one else brings their kids - can't you get a babysitter for a couple of hours? Is this really the best thing for them? I don't get that kind of attachment.

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have concerns for the children of a mother who refuses time away from them. First of all, in cutting off friendships, she might turn her children into her sole source of emotional support. She might use guilt trips to keep them overly close.

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can only imagine when the kids are teens or want to go to their dad's. She's gonna do the whole "you're abandoning me, you don't love me" song and dance

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    Tabitha
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    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bet you anything Sarah also held it over her friends’ heads that she got married and had kids and they haven’t done either. Wonder if she excluded them from her “couples only” or “couples with children only” get togethers. I got married for the first and only time at 40, so I have been on the receiving end of that b******t myself (the irony is that the majority of the marriages of the ones who treated me like that were s**t and didn’t last, while my marriage has outlived all of theirs and is still going strong).Then, of course, when the marriage dissolved a few years later, she expected her single friends to fill in the gap, since she no longer fit with her married “friends”. She has nothing to lord over her single friends any more, so now she’s expecting them to simply serve her and her needs. Now she’s threatening them with a good time by ending the friendship. I would reply to her message telling her I’m glad she made ending the friendship so easy for me by doing it herself. I would also tell her we might reconsider being friends again once she pulls her head out of her own a*s and grows TF up, but I’m not going to be holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Buh-bye.

    Dave Morris
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If people choose to have children their lives are going to change. This doesn't mean everyone has to accommodate that. Sarah needs to understand that and OP is NTA.

    katiekat0214
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fifty-plus childfree woman here. It always surprised me when some people didn't lose their sense of identity, and included kids into their lives, and were still themselves (the only sane way, IMO), and other people are the Sarahs of the world. I lost two good friends because being a parent became their WHOLE personality, and there was room for nothing else. I still miss them, but there's nothing to do but move on. Life is just so much more than just one thing. The totally immersive part of parenting doesn't last that long... and your life as an individual WILL resume. I've never understood it, and never will.

    tori Ohno
    Community Member
    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our yearly company camping trip was completely ruined by the new supervisor who brought his wife and kids with him. The whole fishing, drinking, and telling jokes was nixed. Because there were young kids, we had to play games, and keep it family friendly. Kids can just be a nuisance and complete pain when it comes down to just plain old fashioned let's have fun time. PS-All future camping trips ended up being cancelled. Nobody wanted a family trip. We teamed up in small groups to go fishing for the weekend as friends not coworkers. Thanks a lot Mr I didn't use a condom!

    The Other Guest
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not healthy for a parent to be with their kids 24/7; parents need a break, and kids need a chance to learn independence, spend time with friends, etc. It'll be a nightmare when the first day of school arrives & the child discovers that mommy won't be staying in the classroom, too.

    Tyke
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am in a great friendship group, four of us. Before any of us had kids, two of us went on holiday. We just fancied it, so we went. Did the other two complain or moan or fall out with us? No, we all carried on with our friendship and lives because we're grown adults who can hang out with who we want when we want.

    Wang Zhuang
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's nothing wrong with two adults wanting to go on a child-free vacation. Sarah is acting super immaturely about the situation. OP is definitely NTA

    FlamingRed
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guaranteed Sarah expected OP and friend to pay for her and her kids to go on this vacation since she's "in a difficult situation."

    The Big Bad
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get it, she feels guilty if she would leave her kids for a week. I do to, but my husband and I still still try to go on a trip together every other year without the kids. It's totally different. Vacation with kids honestly is not a vacation for the grown ups. I think it would do herself and her friendship a lot of good if she'd go without her kids, get out of the "being needed constantly" brain space for a few days. It will help her relax after clearly a couple years of high stress levels... OP is NTA clearly.

    Joe Publique
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is falling into the narcissist’s classic trap. DO NOT do what most people would and try to explain yourself in a lengthy reply. My answer would be: “I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m sure you’ll work it out. All the best to you and the kids”. That’s it. There’s no room for them to manipulate that statement further. It’s polite, it’s concise, and it says everything you need to say.

    Aria Perkins
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Single mom of 5 here... Sarah is totally out of line. My life does not enable me to be as carefree and flexible as someone without kids... but that is not my friends fault. There are lots of times, even with family, that i can't join in because of my kids. I certainly don't blame my friends and family for that! Also, seems that Sarah has an unhealthy relationship with her kids if she can't imagine letting them spend time with their dad or get a sitter for what is really an adult holiday (NYE). It's not like missing Christmas morning or something.

    Jacquelyn Crawford
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The article doesn't say how long she's been divorced or how old the kids or if she has anyone that can stay with kids for a week but as a parent she can't just drop and go she definitely has to make arrangements for her kids and I am sure it's stressful to me there to many unknowns to say but she should consider trying to connect with people who have children so she can have a relationship with people who may same interest

    Amber Suttle
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a mother and I have childless friends, I would never force my kids onto childless friends..I always found a sitter so we could hang out freely. Even my mom's group get together without our kids. It's important to have some time for ourselves outside of motherhood

    Kim Kermes
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All too soon, her kids are going to resist being attached at the hip. Or, they're going to grow up helplessly dependent on her for everything for the rest of her life.

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd understand her reaction if the kids weren't involved. Like if only her two best friends decided to ditch her. But knowing that even when she had her husband she'd force the kinds along with OP. Yeah I'd be tired of her too. OP was friends with her, not her kids, she can't expect other adults to constantly want to go on kids trips/ family vacations when the kids are not OP's family

    Sim greenqueensim@hotmail.com
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with her reasons about everything, but after she had her say, she shd have left things open and not ended the friendship. She made her feelings known, but no there didn't need to be a showdown. Who knows, when things cooled down a bit, her friend with kids might have have understood the situation, and still left the door open for friendship. ...

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Op wasn't the one who ended things in the end, Sarah was

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    Janelle Collard
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sarah is cutting off her nose to spite her face. Now she'll have NO supporters to help plan stuff to do. Too bad for you, Sarah! And, obviously, OP is NTA.

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's not hard to see why her marriage broke up. She sounds like a narcissist. Her expectations are entirely ridiculous and unrealistic. My best friend of 40+ years had kids and I didn't and she has friends she does stuff with that I'm not involved with, and I'm completely fine with that. Good riddance IMO.

    Janelle Collard
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right? "My way or the highway" it sounds like. OP has done way more for Sarah than I would have re: including the kids.

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    KatSaidWhat
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a single person with no kids, I am constantly excluded from holidays with kids because of that. So yeah, I'm not going to include you on my holidays that I want to be child free when I have already done enough to accommodate your wishes and children on your terms. That friendship is now over - and now that holiday is guilt free. And child free. Bon voyage!

    KatSaidWhat
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Probably also just lost a couple of babysitters too.

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    Sarah Kathrin Matsoukis
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I couldn't be friends with someone who can't be without her kids, not even a few hours.

    Mike F
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounds like Sarah is like some folks who lose one identity (Sarah) and taken up another (mom) when they have kids. Their entire existence is wrapped up in the kids. If so, she will come around in about 18 years.

    ॐBoyGanesh
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the first and/or only way you can describe yourself is as a parent, you may want to think hard & deep about your self-identification. I am me, I enjoy this and do that & my hobbies/interests are…I’m also a husband & a father to two pretty incredible guys.

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    George Costanza
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Childfree events are meant to be childfree. A girls weekend would be completely different if someone brings their kids with them. No way.

    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That reply message was WAY nicer than Sarah deserves

    Mel in Georgia
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a friend/neighbor who brings her kids with her to all sorts of neighborhood get-togethers involving alcohol/adult talk. They are good kids, but jeez, no one else brings their kids - can't you get a babysitter for a couple of hours? Is this really the best thing for them? I don't get that kind of attachment.

    Vinnie
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have concerns for the children of a mother who refuses time away from them. First of all, in cutting off friendships, she might turn her children into her sole source of emotional support. She might use guilt trips to keep them overly close.

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can only imagine when the kids are teens or want to go to their dad's. She's gonna do the whole "you're abandoning me, you don't love me" song and dance

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    Tabitha
    Community Member
    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bet you anything Sarah also held it over her friends’ heads that she got married and had kids and they haven’t done either. Wonder if she excluded them from her “couples only” or “couples with children only” get togethers. I got married for the first and only time at 40, so I have been on the receiving end of that b******t myself (the irony is that the majority of the marriages of the ones who treated me like that were s**t and didn’t last, while my marriage has outlived all of theirs and is still going strong).Then, of course, when the marriage dissolved a few years later, she expected her single friends to fill in the gap, since she no longer fit with her married “friends”. She has nothing to lord over her single friends any more, so now she’s expecting them to simply serve her and her needs. Now she’s threatening them with a good time by ending the friendship. I would reply to her message telling her I’m glad she made ending the friendship so easy for me by doing it herself. I would also tell her we might reconsider being friends again once she pulls her head out of her own a*s and grows TF up, but I’m not going to be holding my breath waiting for it to happen. Buh-bye.

    Dave Morris
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If people choose to have children their lives are going to change. This doesn't mean everyone has to accommodate that. Sarah needs to understand that and OP is NTA.

    katiekat0214
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Fifty-plus childfree woman here. It always surprised me when some people didn't lose their sense of identity, and included kids into their lives, and were still themselves (the only sane way, IMO), and other people are the Sarahs of the world. I lost two good friends because being a parent became their WHOLE personality, and there was room for nothing else. I still miss them, but there's nothing to do but move on. Life is just so much more than just one thing. The totally immersive part of parenting doesn't last that long... and your life as an individual WILL resume. I've never understood it, and never will.

    tori Ohno
    Community Member
    9 months ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our yearly company camping trip was completely ruined by the new supervisor who brought his wife and kids with him. The whole fishing, drinking, and telling jokes was nixed. Because there were young kids, we had to play games, and keep it family friendly. Kids can just be a nuisance and complete pain when it comes down to just plain old fashioned let's have fun time. PS-All future camping trips ended up being cancelled. Nobody wanted a family trip. We teamed up in small groups to go fishing for the weekend as friends not coworkers. Thanks a lot Mr I didn't use a condom!

    The Other Guest
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not healthy for a parent to be with their kids 24/7; parents need a break, and kids need a chance to learn independence, spend time with friends, etc. It'll be a nightmare when the first day of school arrives & the child discovers that mommy won't be staying in the classroom, too.

    Tyke
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am in a great friendship group, four of us. Before any of us had kids, two of us went on holiday. We just fancied it, so we went. Did the other two complain or moan or fall out with us? No, we all carried on with our friendship and lives because we're grown adults who can hang out with who we want when we want.

    Wang Zhuang
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There's nothing wrong with two adults wanting to go on a child-free vacation. Sarah is acting super immaturely about the situation. OP is definitely NTA

    FlamingRed
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guaranteed Sarah expected OP and friend to pay for her and her kids to go on this vacation since she's "in a difficult situation."

    The Big Bad
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get it, she feels guilty if she would leave her kids for a week. I do to, but my husband and I still still try to go on a trip together every other year without the kids. It's totally different. Vacation with kids honestly is not a vacation for the grown ups. I think it would do herself and her friendship a lot of good if she'd go without her kids, get out of the "being needed constantly" brain space for a few days. It will help her relax after clearly a couple years of high stress levels... OP is NTA clearly.

    Joe Publique
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP is falling into the narcissist’s classic trap. DO NOT do what most people would and try to explain yourself in a lengthy reply. My answer would be: “I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m sure you’ll work it out. All the best to you and the kids”. That’s it. There’s no room for them to manipulate that statement further. It’s polite, it’s concise, and it says everything you need to say.

    Aria Perkins
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Single mom of 5 here... Sarah is totally out of line. My life does not enable me to be as carefree and flexible as someone without kids... but that is not my friends fault. There are lots of times, even with family, that i can't join in because of my kids. I certainly don't blame my friends and family for that! Also, seems that Sarah has an unhealthy relationship with her kids if she can't imagine letting them spend time with their dad or get a sitter for what is really an adult holiday (NYE). It's not like missing Christmas morning or something.

    Jacquelyn Crawford
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The article doesn't say how long she's been divorced or how old the kids or if she has anyone that can stay with kids for a week but as a parent she can't just drop and go she definitely has to make arrangements for her kids and I am sure it's stressful to me there to many unknowns to say but she should consider trying to connect with people who have children so she can have a relationship with people who may same interest

    Amber Suttle
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a mother and I have childless friends, I would never force my kids onto childless friends..I always found a sitter so we could hang out freely. Even my mom's group get together without our kids. It's important to have some time for ourselves outside of motherhood

    Kim Kermes
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All too soon, her kids are going to resist being attached at the hip. Or, they're going to grow up helplessly dependent on her for everything for the rest of her life.

    Royal Stray
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd understand her reaction if the kids weren't involved. Like if only her two best friends decided to ditch her. But knowing that even when she had her husband she'd force the kinds along with OP. Yeah I'd be tired of her too. OP was friends with her, not her kids, she can't expect other adults to constantly want to go on kids trips/ family vacations when the kids are not OP's family

    Sim greenqueensim@hotmail.com
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    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree with her reasons about everything, but after she had her say, she shd have left things open and not ended the friendship. She made her feelings known, but no there didn't need to be a showdown. Who knows, when things cooled down a bit, her friend with kids might have have understood the situation, and still left the door open for friendship. ...

    Royal Stray
    Community Member
    9 months ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Op wasn't the one who ended things in the end, Sarah was

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