Passengers Unite Against Woman Who Wouldn’t Give Up Her Aisle Seat For Family Of Five
Interview With AuthorIt happened again. Reddit user Kitsune_chan29 was sitting in an aisle seat. The woman picked it out for herself in advance so that the long flight would be more bearable. Then a fellow passenger came along and asked her if she could trade places.
However, in a post on the subreddit ‘Am I the [Jerk]?‘, the woman explained that this time, after she refused, another traveler joined in, pressuring her to switch seats. As she stood her ground, tensions rose, and the situation became increasingly uncomfortable.
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Seat swapping happens on nearly every flight
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We contacted the woman behind the post and she agreed to tell us more about what happened. “No one stood up for me but another passenger was keen to get involved and stand up against me, as I described in my post,” she told Bored Panda.
“As a solo female traveler, it was a little intimidating to have another male passenger not only be rude to me but also antagonize me to one of the teenagers of the family by making it seem as though I was deliberately trying to separate a family and make their life difficult out of selfishness.”
According to the Redditor, the fact that she had pre-booked a seat and ordered a specific meal to that seat for health reasons was irrelevant. People shouldn’t treat each other like this. “He was very rude when I confronted him on this, as I don’t think he expected to be called out on his behavior.”
Last month, Mitra Amirzadeh, an Orlando-based flight attendant and union representative for a major airline that charges for advance seat assignments, said seat-swap requests happen on 8 of her 10 monthly shifts. Increasingly, they are from couples not seated together.
Amirzadeh said it has reached the point where she rarely intervenes because she doesn’t think passengers who paid for a particular seat should be forced to swap simply to appease others.
Which is exactly what happened on this plane, too. “The airline staff didn’t really get involved,” the Redditor explained to us. “They came to find out what the issue was, as this was holding up boarding, and when they were told, they allowed me to make my own decision rather than persuade me to do anything, which was quite good of them.”
People should understand that no means no
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The traveler thinks it’s fine to ask somebody to switch seats, but people have to respect that no means no. “I was being asked to switch from an aisle seat to a middle seat, which would give me much less convenience and comfort on such a long flight, and my decision wasn’t being accepted. I’ve happily switched seats before to an equivalent seat, but I think it is unfair to ask people to switch for something worse and then be rude because of poor planning, especially as Emirates didn’t even charge for seat reservations on this flight.”
Etiquette expert Rosalinda Oropeza Randall agrees.
“If someone asks you to switch seats, you are not obligated to do so or even consider it,” she said. “You have the right to decline – politely, of course.”
She even believes that you shouldn’t explain yourself when the person wants to know why you won’t move. “You may say something like, ‘I prefer to stay where I am,’” she added.
The Redditor reiterated that the family wanting to switch wasn’t the issue. “It was the third party and his attitude. I think solo female travelers are asked to switch seats more often than men are, which I think speaks to a larger issue of certain people feeling that women can be coerced and do not deserve the same respect.”
Those who read her story believe the woman had every right to remain in her seat
I find all these 'seat demand' posts interesting. I've taken 18 flights (mostly in the US and UK) in the last 12 months and did not have anyone ask me to move, nor did I hear any exchanges between other passengers. With the frequency BP posts these stories, you'd think it happens every day. Time to find another drum to beat BP.
I agree. I had a sales job and flew several times a month for many years and never experienced any of this. Most of it was in the US but also between the UK and the US. I guess it's BP clickbait.
Load More Replies..."You're splitting up this family," no, the family was ALREADY split up. They are in exactly the same situation they were in before asking OP to move.
You'd think it was the Berlin Wall splitting them up, not a few rows of airplane seats.
Load More Replies...Pay for flight / seat. Board. Sit is assigned seat. Noise cancelling headphones on, probably listening to Led Zeppelin. Close eyes. Job done. Thank you for attending my Ted Flight.
This is my approach. Of course, I'm a big guy so I don't think anyone would ask me to sit in a middle seat. I choose Aisle seats when booking for a reason.
Load More Replies...NTA. As a mom myself, I either pay to have seats together, or deal with it I don’t!
For those who say this never happens, I have had it happen. I did switch seats as it was basically just moving from one aisle seat to the one behind me and it was about ten years ago. Wasn't a big deal. However, now when airlines are asking people to pay for seat assignment, I do actually pay for it. So no, I'm not moving if I paid for a seat assignment for people who could also have paid for a seat assignment. I suspect that lone female travelers are the most targeted for this because they are more likely to be guilted into it. The shaming these people do about "splitting families up" is BS.
Yes that guy wasn't talking "to" the OP, but he was talking about her within her hearing and in public. She has every right to give him a big STFU.
A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
What is with all these breeders that won't spend the money to book their seats together then they have the balls to demand paid-for seats from other passengers?!?! If you can't afford all the expenses that go with breeding, then don't breed!!! It's not society's job to pick up your slack!!!
Please don't lump all those with children together. It is very much not all of us. Nor is there any need to be derogatory to everyone with children. Remember, you were one once.
Load More Replies...as a genXer, i would have loved to sit away from my family on a flight. and my parents would have been fine with it too. means if my mom got mad about something, she wouldn't have been able to reach me from a seat further away. i probably did have to sit in a separate row or something at least once but i don't specifically recall. i would say that once the kid is old enough to behave themselves in a seat by themself and come find a parent if they need something, let them sit alone. but i've seen too much online and with my friends' kids that i know most families don't have/allow that kind of childhood independence anymore.
The only time I switched seats when asked was when it was a major improvement. I was in a flight from LA to Sydney. The man next to me asked if I'd trade my middle seat for his gf's window seat, so they could sit together. I was happy to do it, they were super grateful, and the flight attendant gave me a free drink.
I was settled in my seat when both a women’s and a men’s gymnastic team boarded. I offered my aisle seat to a handsome young athlete so he could be across from some of the women’s team because both teams seemed interested in each other. It was a large plane and we were 4 in the middle aisle. He demurred and it became obvious to me he was more interested in the mature man next to him than the cheerful young ladies. Never assume.
For gods sake just answer loudly that a family of 5 should think ahead and book their seats together instead of harassing other passangers, who paid extra for their seats! It‘s ok if they can‘t or want afford it. It‘s ok to ask. But it is NOT ok to demand!
Best solution is when people do this they should be banned from ever flying again. trying to get people to switch seats is wrong, especially if they are shy, and uncomfortable in social situations. It is a form of bullying.
How are people angry at folks who take their seats when ITS THE AIRLINE that split up the family to begin with. THE AIRLINE IS THE AH!
If they want to switch, they also ought to pay the extra cost for pre-booking a seat.
Why do these people never check with the flight staff prior to boarding the plane... like when they arrive at the airport? It isn't as if your seat is a surprise. Do it that way, everything gets sorted prior to boarding or even before other people have gotten their tickets.
"Passengers Unite Against Woman..." - did I miss something, or was it just the one guy? Very clickbait-y, BP.
NTA.. they wanted to sit together they should've paid extra. Not your problem!!
Lack of preparation on their part does not constitute an emergency on your part. They knew they would prob be split up. But asking is one thing. Sometimes you get a yes and sometimes a no. That's why you ask. And saying no does not entitle someone to an explanation.
If you want your family to sit together, then book the seats in advance. It’s not that difficult for people with two working brain cells. Stop being a lazy entitled jerk.
NTA. Anyone who pre-selects a seat on a flight, whether they pay extra for it or not, is under NO obligation to switch with anyone else for any reason. And NO, you do not need to justify your choice to not switch to anyone else either. A simple NO with no explanation is sufficient and anyone else who pushes the issue or tries to make you feel bad for your decision--they are the a*s and quite honestly everyone else on the plane knows that by watching their disrespectful behavior.
I agree with all of these. That said, my husband and I booked flight and paid for seats in business that had a divider that was supposed to retract all the way down so we could easily talk and be cozy together. It didn't go down, so now we had a divider between us and had to stretch around it to talk and share goodies. The man behind us was alone (no one beside him) and his divider was working. We asked if he would switch with us since he'd be one row forward and it should not make any difference with the divider since he was alone and still would have no one next to him. He refused. I still don't understand that. Seemed a bit mean-spirited, but what could we do? We didn't fight him. But in a case like that, I think it was a bit mean. We were also celebrating a 25 wedding anniversary, so the cozy-factor was important. Oh well.
I hate this. If you aren't savvy enough to pre-book seats together, then you pay the proverbial consequences if no one is willing to move for you. And to "offer" a middle seat for an aisle or window is just NUTS! Also what was with the jerk of a man telling everyone she was a horrible person? I would have told him, fine. I'll take your seat and you can take the middle seat in the middle of the plane to be a "good guy" and help the family out.
You were 100% correct in keeping your seat. The mam of the family should have manned up in scheduling/paying for seats together. Don't play the family card at someone else's expense.
NTA the issue here is the male hierarchy in that part of the world thinking women are inferior and should bow down to what men say.. That remark by the one person that flights are a contained space and children are safe, I laugh in your face. That has never ever stopped a pedo. Ever. It takes seconds to ruin a child's life by touching inappropriately
He didn't press the issue, but the middle seat passenger tried to switch with me for my extra leg room aisle on my last flight. I am a short lady, but that seat would usually be an upcharge (in this case I had it for accessibility reasons so they didn't charge). After we were in the air he found an unoccupied window a row or two back, which I assume he was happier with.
What I think a lot of you fail to recognize is that it isn't always the fault of the split up family, but the airlines. I've always paid for better seats and pre-booked so myself and my 2 children are in the same row. Where we live there are a lot of flight cancelations due to weather. When this happens, we've been bumped, about 3 times in total, to other flights.... and every time we're split up. Asking an adult to change seats with your young child so you can manage them on the flight is actually a curteosy to the other passengers. My son is autistic and vomits on flights.... so I promise you'd rather have him next to me than you! Just so acting like these families are all irresponsible and don't plan ahead. Some I'm sure are that way... and they shouldn't be entitled if the person says no... but some of us are just trying to get to a funeral or a wedding or some other important life event and traveling with kids is tough. Having grace and compassion for others and will benefit all
NTA, you paid for it, it's yours to do with as you please. The only way I would switch is if I were to have BETTER seating, not worse.
I paid for my seat so it is meant for me only. you cannot sit together due to poor planning is NOT my problem, get it ??
As far as I am aware you are not allowed to swap seats on a plane because IF the plane crashes they use your seat allocation to identify you.
Hey, listen up folks! If it's so damn important to keep your family together, then purchase seats together! Don't try to bully someone else to give up the seat they had the wisdom and foresight to purchase and reserve, move on and deal with your c**p! As for all the rest of the passengers getting involved, shut the f**k up and mind your own damn business!!! If I want your opinion or involvement I'll let you know!!
Very poor dealing with crew on the flights, they should immediately stop it, woman choose he seat ,it’s hers, crew should reprimanded men who was harassing her, she should sue airline for her discomfort
NTA. The only one keeping that family from sitting together was their own bad planning. No one is entitled to anyone else's seat for any reason, EVER.
The only time I've had to ask someone to switch to a worse seat I felt so bad. My daughter was 3, and we had booked and paid for our seats in advance so we could all 3 sit together. However, our original plane got delayed and we got shifted onto a different plane...with our seat assignments randomized. I asked at the front desk and was told it was a full flight and there was absolutely nothing they could do. So, I asked the lady on the other side of my daughter to switch with my husband; he was on the other side of her in a middle seat but where my daughter could see him, and she would've constantly been trying to talk to or get to him. The lady didn't want to, fair enough, but when I explained that given the seat positions she would likely be less annoyed if she did in fact move, she ended up agreeing. Really not an ideal situation - we tried to do everything right and still had to be "that family"!
I booked a window seat because of an arm injury that I have. If that arm is by the window no one will jostle it and put me in pain. When I boarded a flight, there was a mother with a baby in the middle seat and a small child in my window seat. I told the flight attendant and she said to just use the aisle seat. I explained about the arm and she said to take the aisle seat any how. Luckily the flight was not full and I was able to switch to another seat and not have the restless baby constantly bumping my arm. The other passengers gave me the grief, although I had booked the seat and specifically asked for it because of the injury. Alaska Airlines, I'm looking at you.
I got back from vacation yesterday. This DID happen to me on the flight to Greece. A couple did not pay to sit together. When l got on the plane the husband was sitting in my (paid for) isle seat. He tried to act as though he did not know he was sitting in my seat. His wife was sitting in fent front of him in the bulkhead area that is the roomiest section of the plane. She asked if l would trade because she needed more room. I said no. My seat was specifically paid for because of my long legs. Later l realized she had more room than l did but wanted to sit next to her husband. If she'd told the truth, l might have considered it. But they BOTH tried to lie and take advantage. Just entitled! When the plane landed, we stood up and he proceeded to take his bag from under his seat and place it on mine. I had to ask him to move it so l could use my suave to get my bags! Just because you don't see our directly experience it didn't meant it's not happening.
When the guy said “She thought her seat was too special so she wouldn't let you sit together.", you should have cheerfully agreed with him “Damn straight. I thought this seat was so special that I booked and paid for it. You should try it!”
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency for me. They'll see each other again at the destination.
I'm all for making other people's lives more pleasant, but not at the expense of making my own considerably less - especially if I have paid extra for that privilege.
Load More Replies...I find all these 'seat demand' posts interesting. I've taken 18 flights (mostly in the US and UK) in the last 12 months and did not have anyone ask me to move, nor did I hear any exchanges between other passengers. With the frequency BP posts these stories, you'd think it happens every day. Time to find another drum to beat BP.
I agree. I had a sales job and flew several times a month for many years and never experienced any of this. Most of it was in the US but also between the UK and the US. I guess it's BP clickbait.
Load More Replies..."You're splitting up this family," no, the family was ALREADY split up. They are in exactly the same situation they were in before asking OP to move.
You'd think it was the Berlin Wall splitting them up, not a few rows of airplane seats.
Load More Replies...Pay for flight / seat. Board. Sit is assigned seat. Noise cancelling headphones on, probably listening to Led Zeppelin. Close eyes. Job done. Thank you for attending my Ted Flight.
This is my approach. Of course, I'm a big guy so I don't think anyone would ask me to sit in a middle seat. I choose Aisle seats when booking for a reason.
Load More Replies...NTA. As a mom myself, I either pay to have seats together, or deal with it I don’t!
For those who say this never happens, I have had it happen. I did switch seats as it was basically just moving from one aisle seat to the one behind me and it was about ten years ago. Wasn't a big deal. However, now when airlines are asking people to pay for seat assignment, I do actually pay for it. So no, I'm not moving if I paid for a seat assignment for people who could also have paid for a seat assignment. I suspect that lone female travelers are the most targeted for this because they are more likely to be guilted into it. The shaming these people do about "splitting families up" is BS.
Yes that guy wasn't talking "to" the OP, but he was talking about her within her hearing and in public. She has every right to give him a big STFU.
A failure to plan on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
What is with all these breeders that won't spend the money to book their seats together then they have the balls to demand paid-for seats from other passengers?!?! If you can't afford all the expenses that go with breeding, then don't breed!!! It's not society's job to pick up your slack!!!
Please don't lump all those with children together. It is very much not all of us. Nor is there any need to be derogatory to everyone with children. Remember, you were one once.
Load More Replies...as a genXer, i would have loved to sit away from my family on a flight. and my parents would have been fine with it too. means if my mom got mad about something, she wouldn't have been able to reach me from a seat further away. i probably did have to sit in a separate row or something at least once but i don't specifically recall. i would say that once the kid is old enough to behave themselves in a seat by themself and come find a parent if they need something, let them sit alone. but i've seen too much online and with my friends' kids that i know most families don't have/allow that kind of childhood independence anymore.
The only time I switched seats when asked was when it was a major improvement. I was in a flight from LA to Sydney. The man next to me asked if I'd trade my middle seat for his gf's window seat, so they could sit together. I was happy to do it, they were super grateful, and the flight attendant gave me a free drink.
I was settled in my seat when both a women’s and a men’s gymnastic team boarded. I offered my aisle seat to a handsome young athlete so he could be across from some of the women’s team because both teams seemed interested in each other. It was a large plane and we were 4 in the middle aisle. He demurred and it became obvious to me he was more interested in the mature man next to him than the cheerful young ladies. Never assume.
For gods sake just answer loudly that a family of 5 should think ahead and book their seats together instead of harassing other passangers, who paid extra for their seats! It‘s ok if they can‘t or want afford it. It‘s ok to ask. But it is NOT ok to demand!
Best solution is when people do this they should be banned from ever flying again. trying to get people to switch seats is wrong, especially if they are shy, and uncomfortable in social situations. It is a form of bullying.
How are people angry at folks who take their seats when ITS THE AIRLINE that split up the family to begin with. THE AIRLINE IS THE AH!
If they want to switch, they also ought to pay the extra cost for pre-booking a seat.
Why do these people never check with the flight staff prior to boarding the plane... like when they arrive at the airport? It isn't as if your seat is a surprise. Do it that way, everything gets sorted prior to boarding or even before other people have gotten their tickets.
"Passengers Unite Against Woman..." - did I miss something, or was it just the one guy? Very clickbait-y, BP.
NTA.. they wanted to sit together they should've paid extra. Not your problem!!
Lack of preparation on their part does not constitute an emergency on your part. They knew they would prob be split up. But asking is one thing. Sometimes you get a yes and sometimes a no. That's why you ask. And saying no does not entitle someone to an explanation.
If you want your family to sit together, then book the seats in advance. It’s not that difficult for people with two working brain cells. Stop being a lazy entitled jerk.
NTA. Anyone who pre-selects a seat on a flight, whether they pay extra for it or not, is under NO obligation to switch with anyone else for any reason. And NO, you do not need to justify your choice to not switch to anyone else either. A simple NO with no explanation is sufficient and anyone else who pushes the issue or tries to make you feel bad for your decision--they are the a*s and quite honestly everyone else on the plane knows that by watching their disrespectful behavior.
I agree with all of these. That said, my husband and I booked flight and paid for seats in business that had a divider that was supposed to retract all the way down so we could easily talk and be cozy together. It didn't go down, so now we had a divider between us and had to stretch around it to talk and share goodies. The man behind us was alone (no one beside him) and his divider was working. We asked if he would switch with us since he'd be one row forward and it should not make any difference with the divider since he was alone and still would have no one next to him. He refused. I still don't understand that. Seemed a bit mean-spirited, but what could we do? We didn't fight him. But in a case like that, I think it was a bit mean. We were also celebrating a 25 wedding anniversary, so the cozy-factor was important. Oh well.
I hate this. If you aren't savvy enough to pre-book seats together, then you pay the proverbial consequences if no one is willing to move for you. And to "offer" a middle seat for an aisle or window is just NUTS! Also what was with the jerk of a man telling everyone she was a horrible person? I would have told him, fine. I'll take your seat and you can take the middle seat in the middle of the plane to be a "good guy" and help the family out.
You were 100% correct in keeping your seat. The mam of the family should have manned up in scheduling/paying for seats together. Don't play the family card at someone else's expense.
NTA the issue here is the male hierarchy in that part of the world thinking women are inferior and should bow down to what men say.. That remark by the one person that flights are a contained space and children are safe, I laugh in your face. That has never ever stopped a pedo. Ever. It takes seconds to ruin a child's life by touching inappropriately
He didn't press the issue, but the middle seat passenger tried to switch with me for my extra leg room aisle on my last flight. I am a short lady, but that seat would usually be an upcharge (in this case I had it for accessibility reasons so they didn't charge). After we were in the air he found an unoccupied window a row or two back, which I assume he was happier with.
What I think a lot of you fail to recognize is that it isn't always the fault of the split up family, but the airlines. I've always paid for better seats and pre-booked so myself and my 2 children are in the same row. Where we live there are a lot of flight cancelations due to weather. When this happens, we've been bumped, about 3 times in total, to other flights.... and every time we're split up. Asking an adult to change seats with your young child so you can manage them on the flight is actually a curteosy to the other passengers. My son is autistic and vomits on flights.... so I promise you'd rather have him next to me than you! Just so acting like these families are all irresponsible and don't plan ahead. Some I'm sure are that way... and they shouldn't be entitled if the person says no... but some of us are just trying to get to a funeral or a wedding or some other important life event and traveling with kids is tough. Having grace and compassion for others and will benefit all
NTA, you paid for it, it's yours to do with as you please. The only way I would switch is if I were to have BETTER seating, not worse.
I paid for my seat so it is meant for me only. you cannot sit together due to poor planning is NOT my problem, get it ??
As far as I am aware you are not allowed to swap seats on a plane because IF the plane crashes they use your seat allocation to identify you.
Hey, listen up folks! If it's so damn important to keep your family together, then purchase seats together! Don't try to bully someone else to give up the seat they had the wisdom and foresight to purchase and reserve, move on and deal with your c**p! As for all the rest of the passengers getting involved, shut the f**k up and mind your own damn business!!! If I want your opinion or involvement I'll let you know!!
Very poor dealing with crew on the flights, they should immediately stop it, woman choose he seat ,it’s hers, crew should reprimanded men who was harassing her, she should sue airline for her discomfort
NTA. The only one keeping that family from sitting together was their own bad planning. No one is entitled to anyone else's seat for any reason, EVER.
The only time I've had to ask someone to switch to a worse seat I felt so bad. My daughter was 3, and we had booked and paid for our seats in advance so we could all 3 sit together. However, our original plane got delayed and we got shifted onto a different plane...with our seat assignments randomized. I asked at the front desk and was told it was a full flight and there was absolutely nothing they could do. So, I asked the lady on the other side of my daughter to switch with my husband; he was on the other side of her in a middle seat but where my daughter could see him, and she would've constantly been trying to talk to or get to him. The lady didn't want to, fair enough, but when I explained that given the seat positions she would likely be less annoyed if she did in fact move, she ended up agreeing. Really not an ideal situation - we tried to do everything right and still had to be "that family"!
I booked a window seat because of an arm injury that I have. If that arm is by the window no one will jostle it and put me in pain. When I boarded a flight, there was a mother with a baby in the middle seat and a small child in my window seat. I told the flight attendant and she said to just use the aisle seat. I explained about the arm and she said to take the aisle seat any how. Luckily the flight was not full and I was able to switch to another seat and not have the restless baby constantly bumping my arm. The other passengers gave me the grief, although I had booked the seat and specifically asked for it because of the injury. Alaska Airlines, I'm looking at you.
I got back from vacation yesterday. This DID happen to me on the flight to Greece. A couple did not pay to sit together. When l got on the plane the husband was sitting in my (paid for) isle seat. He tried to act as though he did not know he was sitting in my seat. His wife was sitting in fent front of him in the bulkhead area that is the roomiest section of the plane. She asked if l would trade because she needed more room. I said no. My seat was specifically paid for because of my long legs. Later l realized she had more room than l did but wanted to sit next to her husband. If she'd told the truth, l might have considered it. But they BOTH tried to lie and take advantage. Just entitled! When the plane landed, we stood up and he proceeded to take his bag from under his seat and place it on mine. I had to ask him to move it so l could use my suave to get my bags! Just because you don't see our directly experience it didn't meant it's not happening.
When the guy said “She thought her seat was too special so she wouldn't let you sit together.", you should have cheerfully agreed with him “Damn straight. I thought this seat was so special that I booked and paid for it. You should try it!”
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency for me. They'll see each other again at the destination.
I'm all for making other people's lives more pleasant, but not at the expense of making my own considerably less - especially if I have paid extra for that privilege.
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