Woman Says She Was Raised To Take Care Of Her Husband, Gets Roasted With 14 Responses
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Twitter is definitely a place for people to share opinions, express their frustrations, or dish out hot takes. So it’s no shock to see a single tweet with someone’s thoughts explode into a full thread with people clashing, gifs and reaction images flying, and things becoming very personal. Especially when a person’s tweet touches a sensitive subject or a topic that many people have shifting opinions on.
This is exactly what happened to Brylea Kay, a college student from Texas.
On June 10, Brylea decided to share her thoughts on Twitter that sparked an outrage
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The woman shared a tweet detailing what kind of wife she would be and how she was raised. Cooking, cleaning, and washing her husband’s clothes are just some of the things Brylea says she’d do for her man, working round the clock to make him happy. She even describes it as being “old fashioned” and judging by the way people responded, many agree (and more).
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As soon as Brylea tweeted this, hundreds of people rushed to like, retweet, and, of course, drop their two cents in. And the general response? Not exactly positive. People pointed at many different aspects of the original tweet saying that it was internalized misogyny and sexism at work. Brylea later tweeted that their response was so harsh, she saw some replies where people wished she’d die, which is, of course, extreme and undeserved.
Most of the people didn’t take to Brylea’s thoughts kindly and offered her their own thoughts
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My problem with that last tweet is that feminism IS about letting women have the power to choose. This woman said she was "raised" to take care of her husband. That's not choice, that's upbringing acting as blinders.
Yes, but she’s still choosing to do it now as an adult. Holding onto the values you were raised with is a choice.
@Lucinda My Dad once told me when he was 10 years old he prayed for a good woman that he could take care of and God delivered him my mother. I had to laugh inside because for 25 years, it was my mother taking care of my dad. Cooking, cleaning, doing his laundry, dealing with the creditors while my father went to work and came home expecting dinner on the table when he arrived. When they divorced...he was lost trying to figure out how to do everything on his own. I was 17 at the time and he automatically thought I would take her place and take care of him. I looked him dead in the eye and said "I'm not your wife, I'm not your mother. You're going to have to figure this out for yourself because in two years, I'm gone." He finally figured it out and he was mature enough to handle it. Sometimes these guys need to be thrown in the deep end of the pool to learn how to swim.
@Quazer, if you're going to take the time to write a long-winded acrimonious response at least take the time to read what you're responding to. Carol was talking about her father. If you think it's appropriate for any daughter to take care of her abled father as though he were a child then I pity you for living in a different century than the rest of us.
There's a reason why 1950's housewife is no longer the norm and sad to think that she was brought up by the residue pockets that still believes that. I can't imagine the kind of man that wants to be/ is dependent on another person to meet his basic needs is going to be anything other than a cliché... What does she do when she has a child? Juggle him like mothers of twins do?
Beyela is giving me "desperate for a ring" vibes lol. I don't think this was very deep.
... If that's all she was taught in values and wasnt taught other ones then it's not really a choice. She just doesnt know any other way.
It’s not a choice if you have been brainwashed and fed nonsense as a kid.
Were you able to leave the cult, hon? Blink twice for yes.
It is, but honestly when it's phrased that way it sounds (to me, at least) like she doesn't know any better, that there are other ways to do it. Especially in this age of social media, with other peoples' lives on full display for everyone to see, the options are there, so maybe she does genuinely want to live that way, I just can't imagine anyone who would want to.
@Quazer I do get what you're saying, and agree that there are very often double standards in play when discussing gender roles around the house; but I got a different point from Carol's comment, and that's that when her mother left her father he was not capable of taking care of himself on a fairly basic level. He needed to learn to do basic things like cooking and laundry just to be able to live on his own. I didn't read it as being unthankful, rather just being frank in stating that sometimes there's no one around to take care of you, and you have to learn to handle it yourself. This applies to both men and women- I've lived alone (I am female) and when there's a break-in or other dangerous situation you're the only one who's there to deal with it, so you learn to. Just my two cents.
it's not a choice if you were raised to believe it's the only good way to be a wife
Wrong, she's been brainwashed, just like children to are scared into believing in a god.
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@notinterested Oh i read it very carefully ... and I´m sure her father raised her equally at the side of her mother. May it be that he didn´t do much housework, but I´m sure he did other things, so Carol can thrive and grow up. The way she described the moment of telling her Dad to get his shit together ... AWESOME - not unthankful as a daughter at all - and I really really hope that her dad can return this favor some day, when she needs help with something - because everybody can do everything and you don´t need anybody in your life. Thats the deal of her statement, right? -> which was pointed out in my example, but guess what: I got downvoted to hell ... HMMMM ... could it be that ..*gasp* .. we have some double-standards in the current society? If you demand that a man has to be able to do all the housework - because if he can´t, you go ballistic - then I`m calling you out and demand that all women have to take care of burglars, dangerous tasks, and so on. Fair, isn´t it?
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Looks like Quazer triggered some people by showing them what they are saying.
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@Carol Love this attitude. Had the same conversation with my wife. There were weird noises in the middle of the night and my wife wanted me to check with a baseball-bat, i looked her dead in the eye and say "I´m not your bodyguard, I`m not your protector. You´re going to have to figure this out for yourself" She finally figured it out and was mature enough to handle it (was just a drunk neighbour). Sometimes these girls need to be thrown in the deep end of the pool to learn what equalism looks like - BOOYA what a time to be alive.
I made a "choice" and ended up in a decade-long, emotionally abusive relationship. I ended up divorced with three kids, no self-esteem, no identity other than mother, but at least I had a college degree and I'm "bright". I would never advocate for a person to give up their identity and financial security for another person. He always said he wanted to care for me and provide for me (yay!) but I wasn't a person - I was a means to an end (the mother of his children.) ANYONE would've sufficed. I'm warning my children against becoming what I was raised to be and "chose" to be in early adulthood.
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its a problem of you making a wrong choice, and nothing else. Your wrong choices are on you, not on society.
I was raised the same way, that men were the head of the house, the breadwinners and that women's place was in the home. My mom lived by it but I refused to. Once I was an adult, I walked away from that mindset. Just because you were raised to believe that doesn't mean you have to do it. Some people are raised believing it's okay to beat your kids, but if you choose to beat your kids, does that suddenly absolve you of blame because that was how you were raised?
No, my point was that if she was raised that way, perhaps she just doesn't know there are options out there that don't include your life revolving entirely around someone else. It's unlikely, but you never know.
She is not a child now. Many people rejects the upbringing they were raised in, of it doesn't t match their own ideas and aspirations. Lecturing an adult person about how she must think and what she must want is awfully patronising.
So she doesnt have free will? Are you saying she is incapable of free will? Sounds pretty sexist to me
You're talking about nurture not nature .....we can choose to be very different than our parents were and how we were brought up if we want, so maybe she chooses to be this way ......we all have freedom of choice after all. If she didn't think this was a nice thing to do she wouldn't do it, what is the big deal people? We don't have to do the same as she does. This is not like negative harmful things running through family like abuse drugs or alcoholism, this is a loving thing so why not imbrace it?
she was raised that way but it was her choice to follow it.
I agree, I pity her.
exactly! and also, if you're not trying to push any agenda, why would you randomly tweet that without anyone asking and without any context? To me it sounded like she was trying to promote that way of thinking.
yeah, because she has no free will, obviously...lol. Yeah, right.
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Why is it that being "raised" to be a certain way is only bad when it disagrees with your values? If she was "raised" to be environmentally conscious you would be praising the parents, not getting mad that she was raised with blinders on. You can't have it both ways.
That's an incredibly poor comparison. Raising a person to believe they should be subserviant to their partner, usually to their own detriment, is very different than teaching someone that not destorying the enviornment is essential for their surival.
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So women raised to be strong and independent should strive to be weak and dependent. Anything else wouldn't be choice, It would be upbringing acting as blinders. #female_logic
Man pro tip, try not to use blatantly sexist hashtags, makes one come off as kinda incel-y
huh?
Hmm - I do all this for my wife. She''s got the big-bucks job, and I have more time. So why wouldn't I? Isn't that what brylea kay is doing? She didn't say, "I keep my ideas to myself and always tell him that he's right." My wife and I don't do that. And I get my way in other aspects. On weekends, she gets the jump on chores that I usually do. Re: alarms - my wife sleeps through alarms but must get up on time or she'd be late. So I wake her up when my alarm goes off. Isn't it Love - to help your spouse especially when you can and when you find it easier than she does? And I can and do, every day.
Yes, that is love. I think that’s what she meant. But it was just distasteful to say she was “raised” to be that way. She should be that way because she cares about her lover. Not because she was programmed to be subservient to a man, which is how it came off. But for the record I agree with her and you. I wouldn’t be with someone if I didn’t think they deserved to be taken care of by me.
Paul, I was raised that way too. My wife makes more money than me and I do much more than I ever have to do for her and I do it because I want to. If this girl wants to then go for it! I bet if you reversed the genders, the same feminists would say the man is where he belongs. God forbid this girl does what she wants.
Thank you. On behalf of humanity.
As long as it’s reciprocated, and he shows her just as much love and respect, without taking her for granted, then it’s not an issue. Does she know if she’s genuinely happy or not? Is she okay with it? As long as she’s not trying to suggest that there’s something wrong with women who don’t do what she does, it’s not a problem. Some of us are faaaar too busy for that kind of lifestyle.
It doesnt need to be reciprocated. I do a ton for my wife without telling her I do it or asking for anything in return. If I need her to do something to help, I ask. Otherwise its just a contest, which is poisonous to a relationship. I dont care if my wife takes me for granted... I will be granted so long as she doesnt break my trust.
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Can't be bringing in logic into a SJWs feels. Don't you know that any sort of relationship with a man where the woman does something for him is just like totally bad and stuff and totally means that she is his slave? What's with this reciprocation you are bringing in? It's like you are promoting a healthy functioning family relationship where the man and woman each have roles that they play in it. Mewton - No, it was not "distasteful" in the slightest. It didn't come off like she is programmed to be subservient at all, that's just how your type wants it to be.
I was raised to be my husbands wife, not his mum. I am his equal not his slave. Whilst I do the cooking and cleaning it is only because he works and I don’t. BUT I do not wake him up, don’t make him lunch for work, I don’t lay his clothes out for him, etc, and if he complains about the way I do things then he can do them himself.
There's a difference between a man being capable of these things and yet his wife does them by choice as acts of love and a man who expects to be waited on in this way and is not capable of doing for himself. The first attitude makes a great marriage, especially if both partners do for each other. It shouldn't automatically be assumed that to want to do those things for the man you love means that man is incapable, ungrateful, taking advantage or sexist.
It always ends up that way
The fact that you feel you were raised to be any specific kind of wife is creepy to begin with, and it’s the only thing really wrong with the original post in question. Making a meal for your husband isn’t slavery, and to even think that way smacks of being raised with the wrong mentality about other people in general. Friend, husband, kids, parents - any relationship should involve being supportive and warm. Especially when that person gets up every day to help take care of you.
I don't think parents raise their kids to be an X type of wife or a Y type of husband. People are raised with certain values and norms which they often take with them into adulthood and which are reflected in the way they work and how their relationships are constructed. If you can't see the connection between the two, then you're the creepy-minded one.
Look at all of these purposefully obtuse people looking for an argument. Gross.
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It's "creepy" to be raised to be a decent human being? Wow. To quote yourself, " to even think that way smacks of being raised with the wrong mentality about other people in general."
... I'm sorry but you don't have to be labelled with respect to a man.... You were raised to be the person you are today !
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because packing a lunch is so fucking difficult, compared to working all the hours men work in all the professions we work. how dare men expect to have a few things thrown in a bag for lunch time........and women want to paint themselves as the slaves..... when their ass does whatever they want all day and their man works his ass off they think it's outrageous to throw a lunch for him together.........then we wonder why so many men are checking out of commitment and marriage and fatherhood when women are so awful and lazy and useless for the most part xD they don't realize they are a depreciating asset until they are 37 with no career and 3 kids by different guys. most dudes sorta lose interest after 25 then the women become angry lesbians with cats by 40 and tell actual potential wives that packing a lunch is patriarchy.
I´m pretty confident you know shit about this woman / her relationship. In my relationship im the OCD-one and I do the majority of the house work. So what? Should I scream "I´m NOT your male-maid, I´m your husband!!!" At the end of the day, both should have done the same amount.. that´s it... rlly, that´s it. It doesn´t matter WHAT you do... It´s not harmful to lay clothes down for your man if he leaves early from work in exchange to clean the flat and prepares dinner for you, so you can relax at the end of a hard day - vice versa. No crime in spoiling each other...
I never said there was a crime in spoiling each other. she was saying her relationship dynamics and I was sharing mine. I don’t care what she does if that is what she chooses. No need to get so butt hurt about my comment.
Switched roles: He is doing the ironing on sunday and mumbles "grml grml grml ... I´m not a slave ... I´m her HUSBAND, I´m equal ... grml grml grml ... I just do it because she needs a time out ... grml grml grml .... but if she complains about wrinkles, SHE CAN DO IT FOR GOD SAKE HERSELF!!!! ! grml grml grml" I think YOU are a little bit butthurt ... :DDDD Literally EVERY man who would do this would get told to fucking relax .. it´s just housework. But for some reason, some women make a very big deal about it ... dunno why, is it because of the potential "labeling"?
My problem with that last tweet is that feminism IS about letting women have the power to choose. This woman said she was "raised" to take care of her husband. That's not choice, that's upbringing acting as blinders.
Yes, but she’s still choosing to do it now as an adult. Holding onto the values you were raised with is a choice.
@Lucinda My Dad once told me when he was 10 years old he prayed for a good woman that he could take care of and God delivered him my mother. I had to laugh inside because for 25 years, it was my mother taking care of my dad. Cooking, cleaning, doing his laundry, dealing with the creditors while my father went to work and came home expecting dinner on the table when he arrived. When they divorced...he was lost trying to figure out how to do everything on his own. I was 17 at the time and he automatically thought I would take her place and take care of him. I looked him dead in the eye and said "I'm not your wife, I'm not your mother. You're going to have to figure this out for yourself because in two years, I'm gone." He finally figured it out and he was mature enough to handle it. Sometimes these guys need to be thrown in the deep end of the pool to learn how to swim.
@Quazer, if you're going to take the time to write a long-winded acrimonious response at least take the time to read what you're responding to. Carol was talking about her father. If you think it's appropriate for any daughter to take care of her abled father as though he were a child then I pity you for living in a different century than the rest of us.
There's a reason why 1950's housewife is no longer the norm and sad to think that she was brought up by the residue pockets that still believes that. I can't imagine the kind of man that wants to be/ is dependent on another person to meet his basic needs is going to be anything other than a cliché... What does she do when she has a child? Juggle him like mothers of twins do?
Beyela is giving me "desperate for a ring" vibes lol. I don't think this was very deep.
... If that's all she was taught in values and wasnt taught other ones then it's not really a choice. She just doesnt know any other way.
It’s not a choice if you have been brainwashed and fed nonsense as a kid.
Were you able to leave the cult, hon? Blink twice for yes.
It is, but honestly when it's phrased that way it sounds (to me, at least) like she doesn't know any better, that there are other ways to do it. Especially in this age of social media, with other peoples' lives on full display for everyone to see, the options are there, so maybe she does genuinely want to live that way, I just can't imagine anyone who would want to.
@Quazer I do get what you're saying, and agree that there are very often double standards in play when discussing gender roles around the house; but I got a different point from Carol's comment, and that's that when her mother left her father he was not capable of taking care of himself on a fairly basic level. He needed to learn to do basic things like cooking and laundry just to be able to live on his own. I didn't read it as being unthankful, rather just being frank in stating that sometimes there's no one around to take care of you, and you have to learn to handle it yourself. This applies to both men and women- I've lived alone (I am female) and when there's a break-in or other dangerous situation you're the only one who's there to deal with it, so you learn to. Just my two cents.
it's not a choice if you were raised to believe it's the only good way to be a wife
Wrong, she's been brainwashed, just like children to are scared into believing in a god.
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@notinterested Oh i read it very carefully ... and I´m sure her father raised her equally at the side of her mother. May it be that he didn´t do much housework, but I´m sure he did other things, so Carol can thrive and grow up. The way she described the moment of telling her Dad to get his shit together ... AWESOME - not unthankful as a daughter at all - and I really really hope that her dad can return this favor some day, when she needs help with something - because everybody can do everything and you don´t need anybody in your life. Thats the deal of her statement, right? -> which was pointed out in my example, but guess what: I got downvoted to hell ... HMMMM ... could it be that ..*gasp* .. we have some double-standards in the current society? If you demand that a man has to be able to do all the housework - because if he can´t, you go ballistic - then I`m calling you out and demand that all women have to take care of burglars, dangerous tasks, and so on. Fair, isn´t it?
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Looks like Quazer triggered some people by showing them what they are saying.
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@Carol Love this attitude. Had the same conversation with my wife. There were weird noises in the middle of the night and my wife wanted me to check with a baseball-bat, i looked her dead in the eye and say "I´m not your bodyguard, I`m not your protector. You´re going to have to figure this out for yourself" She finally figured it out and was mature enough to handle it (was just a drunk neighbour). Sometimes these girls need to be thrown in the deep end of the pool to learn what equalism looks like - BOOYA what a time to be alive.
I made a "choice" and ended up in a decade-long, emotionally abusive relationship. I ended up divorced with three kids, no self-esteem, no identity other than mother, but at least I had a college degree and I'm "bright". I would never advocate for a person to give up their identity and financial security for another person. He always said he wanted to care for me and provide for me (yay!) but I wasn't a person - I was a means to an end (the mother of his children.) ANYONE would've sufficed. I'm warning my children against becoming what I was raised to be and "chose" to be in early adulthood.
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its a problem of you making a wrong choice, and nothing else. Your wrong choices are on you, not on society.
I was raised the same way, that men were the head of the house, the breadwinners and that women's place was in the home. My mom lived by it but I refused to. Once I was an adult, I walked away from that mindset. Just because you were raised to believe that doesn't mean you have to do it. Some people are raised believing it's okay to beat your kids, but if you choose to beat your kids, does that suddenly absolve you of blame because that was how you were raised?
No, my point was that if she was raised that way, perhaps she just doesn't know there are options out there that don't include your life revolving entirely around someone else. It's unlikely, but you never know.
She is not a child now. Many people rejects the upbringing they were raised in, of it doesn't t match their own ideas and aspirations. Lecturing an adult person about how she must think and what she must want is awfully patronising.
So she doesnt have free will? Are you saying she is incapable of free will? Sounds pretty sexist to me
You're talking about nurture not nature .....we can choose to be very different than our parents were and how we were brought up if we want, so maybe she chooses to be this way ......we all have freedom of choice after all. If she didn't think this was a nice thing to do she wouldn't do it, what is the big deal people? We don't have to do the same as she does. This is not like negative harmful things running through family like abuse drugs or alcoholism, this is a loving thing so why not imbrace it?
she was raised that way but it was her choice to follow it.
I agree, I pity her.
exactly! and also, if you're not trying to push any agenda, why would you randomly tweet that without anyone asking and without any context? To me it sounded like she was trying to promote that way of thinking.
yeah, because she has no free will, obviously...lol. Yeah, right.
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Why is it that being "raised" to be a certain way is only bad when it disagrees with your values? If she was "raised" to be environmentally conscious you would be praising the parents, not getting mad that she was raised with blinders on. You can't have it both ways.
That's an incredibly poor comparison. Raising a person to believe they should be subserviant to their partner, usually to their own detriment, is very different than teaching someone that not destorying the enviornment is essential for their surival.
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So women raised to be strong and independent should strive to be weak and dependent. Anything else wouldn't be choice, It would be upbringing acting as blinders. #female_logic
Man pro tip, try not to use blatantly sexist hashtags, makes one come off as kinda incel-y
huh?
Hmm - I do all this for my wife. She''s got the big-bucks job, and I have more time. So why wouldn't I? Isn't that what brylea kay is doing? She didn't say, "I keep my ideas to myself and always tell him that he's right." My wife and I don't do that. And I get my way in other aspects. On weekends, she gets the jump on chores that I usually do. Re: alarms - my wife sleeps through alarms but must get up on time or she'd be late. So I wake her up when my alarm goes off. Isn't it Love - to help your spouse especially when you can and when you find it easier than she does? And I can and do, every day.
Yes, that is love. I think that’s what she meant. But it was just distasteful to say she was “raised” to be that way. She should be that way because she cares about her lover. Not because she was programmed to be subservient to a man, which is how it came off. But for the record I agree with her and you. I wouldn’t be with someone if I didn’t think they deserved to be taken care of by me.
Paul, I was raised that way too. My wife makes more money than me and I do much more than I ever have to do for her and I do it because I want to. If this girl wants to then go for it! I bet if you reversed the genders, the same feminists would say the man is where he belongs. God forbid this girl does what she wants.
Thank you. On behalf of humanity.
As long as it’s reciprocated, and he shows her just as much love and respect, without taking her for granted, then it’s not an issue. Does she know if she’s genuinely happy or not? Is she okay with it? As long as she’s not trying to suggest that there’s something wrong with women who don’t do what she does, it’s not a problem. Some of us are faaaar too busy for that kind of lifestyle.
It doesnt need to be reciprocated. I do a ton for my wife without telling her I do it or asking for anything in return. If I need her to do something to help, I ask. Otherwise its just a contest, which is poisonous to a relationship. I dont care if my wife takes me for granted... I will be granted so long as she doesnt break my trust.
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Can't be bringing in logic into a SJWs feels. Don't you know that any sort of relationship with a man where the woman does something for him is just like totally bad and stuff and totally means that she is his slave? What's with this reciprocation you are bringing in? It's like you are promoting a healthy functioning family relationship where the man and woman each have roles that they play in it. Mewton - No, it was not "distasteful" in the slightest. It didn't come off like she is programmed to be subservient at all, that's just how your type wants it to be.
I was raised to be my husbands wife, not his mum. I am his equal not his slave. Whilst I do the cooking and cleaning it is only because he works and I don’t. BUT I do not wake him up, don’t make him lunch for work, I don’t lay his clothes out for him, etc, and if he complains about the way I do things then he can do them himself.
There's a difference between a man being capable of these things and yet his wife does them by choice as acts of love and a man who expects to be waited on in this way and is not capable of doing for himself. The first attitude makes a great marriage, especially if both partners do for each other. It shouldn't automatically be assumed that to want to do those things for the man you love means that man is incapable, ungrateful, taking advantage or sexist.
It always ends up that way
The fact that you feel you were raised to be any specific kind of wife is creepy to begin with, and it’s the only thing really wrong with the original post in question. Making a meal for your husband isn’t slavery, and to even think that way smacks of being raised with the wrong mentality about other people in general. Friend, husband, kids, parents - any relationship should involve being supportive and warm. Especially when that person gets up every day to help take care of you.
I don't think parents raise their kids to be an X type of wife or a Y type of husband. People are raised with certain values and norms which they often take with them into adulthood and which are reflected in the way they work and how their relationships are constructed. If you can't see the connection between the two, then you're the creepy-minded one.
Look at all of these purposefully obtuse people looking for an argument. Gross.
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It's "creepy" to be raised to be a decent human being? Wow. To quote yourself, " to even think that way smacks of being raised with the wrong mentality about other people in general."
... I'm sorry but you don't have to be labelled with respect to a man.... You were raised to be the person you are today !
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because packing a lunch is so fucking difficult, compared to working all the hours men work in all the professions we work. how dare men expect to have a few things thrown in a bag for lunch time........and women want to paint themselves as the slaves..... when their ass does whatever they want all day and their man works his ass off they think it's outrageous to throw a lunch for him together.........then we wonder why so many men are checking out of commitment and marriage and fatherhood when women are so awful and lazy and useless for the most part xD they don't realize they are a depreciating asset until they are 37 with no career and 3 kids by different guys. most dudes sorta lose interest after 25 then the women become angry lesbians with cats by 40 and tell actual potential wives that packing a lunch is patriarchy.
I´m pretty confident you know shit about this woman / her relationship. In my relationship im the OCD-one and I do the majority of the house work. So what? Should I scream "I´m NOT your male-maid, I´m your husband!!!" At the end of the day, both should have done the same amount.. that´s it... rlly, that´s it. It doesn´t matter WHAT you do... It´s not harmful to lay clothes down for your man if he leaves early from work in exchange to clean the flat and prepares dinner for you, so you can relax at the end of a hard day - vice versa. No crime in spoiling each other...
I never said there was a crime in spoiling each other. she was saying her relationship dynamics and I was sharing mine. I don’t care what she does if that is what she chooses. No need to get so butt hurt about my comment.
Switched roles: He is doing the ironing on sunday and mumbles "grml grml grml ... I´m not a slave ... I´m her HUSBAND, I´m equal ... grml grml grml ... I just do it because she needs a time out ... grml grml grml .... but if she complains about wrinkles, SHE CAN DO IT FOR GOD SAKE HERSELF!!!! ! grml grml grml" I think YOU are a little bit butthurt ... :DDDD Literally EVERY man who would do this would get told to fucking relax .. it´s just housework. But for some reason, some women make a very big deal about it ... dunno why, is it because of the potential "labeling"?