‘Not Available For Calls During Off Hours’: Manager Is Puzzled Whether He Was Right To Scold A Pregnant Woman For ‘Slacking’
While it’s vital to treat all employees equally, it’s just as important to be aware of significant circumstances in their life that might affect their work and then react appropriately. One office manager wanted to know if they were a jerk for telling an employee that pregnancy “is not an excuse for low productivity,” so they posted their story on the AITA subreddit.
The community overwhelmingly branded the redditor a jerk and some commenters went into detail about exactly why they were being insensitive (beyond the obvious). Have a read through the OP’s story yourselves, dear Pandas, and let us know what your take on the situation is. What would you have done personally? Oh, and a gentle reminder to keep things friendly, in the words of one of the moderators of the AITA community, Moggehh: “I know everyone wants to call OP [a jerk] but he gets it by now and not enough of you are [being civil].”
Eddy Ng, the James and Elizabeth Freeman Professor of Management at Bucknell University, was kind enough to give Bored Panda some legal perspective about the responsibilities of employees and employers in the United States and spoke about how some colleagues can develop prejudice against pregnant coworkers.
An office manager wanted to get the internet’s take about whether or not they’re a jerk for demanding that a pregnant employee be just as productive as before
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“In the US, pregnancy and maternity falls under the FMLA (Family and Medical Leave Act). This implies that pregnancy requires some type of workplace accommodation. Employees can use up to 12 weeks of time off during pregnancy (for ‘pregnancy disability’) or after to recover and care for the newborn,” Professor Ng from Bucknell University explained to Bored Panda.
He highlighted the fact that the employee is responsible for conveying this information, “including any type of workplace accommodation requests (type of work, schedules),” so that they can “continue to work productively.” Meanwhile, the employer’s duty is to accommodate such requests “to the point of undue hardship.” The professor said that that this isn’t specifically defined, but can usually be understood in terms of resources and finances.
Prejudice against pregnant women, unfortunately, is nothing new in pretty much any workplace. “Managers and colleagues do develop prejudice of pregnant employees and view them as less competent or productive during this period. As a result, many employees hide their pregnancy from their managers,” Professor Ng said.
This means that there needs to be two-way communication very early on in the pregnancy so that employees can set expectations as soon as they can. “Employees need to know they are valued before and during pregnancy while employers should provide the necessary accommodations, including making adjustments to workload, to retain them following pregnancy. There is also a need to create awareness and train managers on providing proper support to pregnant employees.”
Here’s the r/AITA community’s verdict
One redditor shared some incredibly important information about pregnancy that some people might not have known about. They spoke about HG (hyperemesis gravidarum) which is excessive nausea and vomiting that can lead to a woman even needing hospital treatment.
The NHS reports that HG can affect 1 to 3 women in every 100, but some cases might go unreported. “If you are being sick frequently and cannot keep food down, tell your midwife or doctor, or contact the hospital as soon as possible. There is a risk you may become dehydrated, and your midwife or doctor can make sure you get the right treatment.”
Of course, we can’t confirm if the pregnant employee has HG or not. But as some redditors stressed, even if she doesn’t have HG, her manager’s behavior wasn’t up to scratch.
Meanwhile, other redditors pointed out that putting the employee’s pregnancy aside, the entire work culture at the original poster’s company should be the focus of criticism for its long hours.
I love how he says "she already took a sick day" as if this was illegal. America's job ethics and health system, ladies and gentlemen!
@mewton: sick is sick. Never mind if one day or five.Nothing your boss can solve with complaining or shouting
Load More Replies...yes, like there are degrees of pregnancy.... you are or you aren't!
Load More Replies..."only in her first trimester". How can someone be so uneducated? There may be some lucky women, but everyone should know that it is particularly the first trimester that can be very hard due to the body adjusting to the pregancy. This is nothing where "discipline" would help. Applause to the women also for refusing to take something against the headache...the less medicine taken in the pregnancy, the better for the development of the fetus!
Hans I gently suggest that you back off the claims about medicine in pregnancy, it's much more complex than you suggest. For example, I have an autoimmune disorder and the medication I took during pregnancy allowed both me and my now three year old to survive. You're making a blanket statement about something that isn't generalisable. Fear of taking medication in pregnancy is a real thing and does lead to illness and death in some cases where women were too frightened to take medicine they needed. The rest of your post I agree with. I was lucky not to get morning sickness but 10 or so weeks in my pelvis fell apart and I was in agony for the rest of my pregnancy.
Load More Replies...Without the pregnant, he's still the asshole for the working conditions.
Right? No one is entitled to your time and if there is a monetary compensation for part of the day, it is just that, a promise to work during the hours you promised to be there. If you can't do a job within those hours, you have too much work or not enough employees.
Load More Replies...You are being an asshole to everyone, not just the pregnant employee. The right question is who profits on the exploitation of the staff. Why is it necessary to work 24/7 ? Why can't you hire temporary workers? People are just blind to the chosen inequalities of the system and think it's natural. It is not.
Agreed. It sounds like his staff are all required to give up there lives for this job.
Load More Replies...Wow. The amount of ignorance in this. The mere fact this guy thinks morning sickness is only in the morning... Instead of writing this post the dude could have done some basic effing Googling and find out that the first and third semesters are the most difficult. Many women think they have THE FLU before they realize they are pregnant. This is the kind of guy that compares maternity leave to a long vacation and like a C-section isn't a big procedure
I often wonder if these guys ever had any operation on their guts. I had one, a laughable small one, but still it left a chronic pain issue and still the areas where they went through all layers hurt as hell - and the longest cut was, like, 4 or 5 cm right below the belly button. Whenever you open someone's womb, no matter how small or for what reason, said person should know this is neither a matter of any of the above, but will cause a lot of pain. A C-section, however ... well, the cut must be large enough to get a living human, although of the smallest kind, through it, and not just some gallstones...
Load More Replies...Regardless of the pregnancy issue, the office conditions sound absolutely inhuman anyway. Working until 9 at night? Answering calls when you are at home? Your manager deciding when you can go to the doctor and how much sick leave is "acceptable"? That office sounds like a dystopian nightmare.
I'm pregnant, I'm ending my first trimestr and I'm offended from this post and feel very sorry for that lady. It was hell! Morning sickness is called "morning" probably because it starts in morning and never ends. You are sleepy all the time. Always. And yes, you need to eat every few hours otherwise you are even more sick. That jerk with lack of human feelings should read more before posting. Posts like this make me appreciate my work enviroment and my supporting partner. Thanks God I don't have to deal with such a situation. Hang on there sister, it will get better.
If she's too sick to work, she should be on temporary disability. Anyone in a supervisory position should know this. Every American employee pays into the disability insurance system.
You think she's going to be approved for temporary disability because of pregnancy? What fairy world do you live in?
Load More Replies...This woman would be home on doctor's orders here in Germany, with full pay, for the entire course of her pregnancy. She clearly needs it. Some people have a really hard time being pregnant. ALSO: what kind of crap job expects you to be available round the clock, pregnant or not?!
I love how he says "she already took a sick day" as if this was illegal. America's job ethics and health system, ladies and gentlemen!
@mewton: sick is sick. Never mind if one day or five.Nothing your boss can solve with complaining or shouting
Load More Replies...yes, like there are degrees of pregnancy.... you are or you aren't!
Load More Replies..."only in her first trimester". How can someone be so uneducated? There may be some lucky women, but everyone should know that it is particularly the first trimester that can be very hard due to the body adjusting to the pregancy. This is nothing where "discipline" would help. Applause to the women also for refusing to take something against the headache...the less medicine taken in the pregnancy, the better for the development of the fetus!
Hans I gently suggest that you back off the claims about medicine in pregnancy, it's much more complex than you suggest. For example, I have an autoimmune disorder and the medication I took during pregnancy allowed both me and my now three year old to survive. You're making a blanket statement about something that isn't generalisable. Fear of taking medication in pregnancy is a real thing and does lead to illness and death in some cases where women were too frightened to take medicine they needed. The rest of your post I agree with. I was lucky not to get morning sickness but 10 or so weeks in my pelvis fell apart and I was in agony for the rest of my pregnancy.
Load More Replies...Without the pregnant, he's still the asshole for the working conditions.
Right? No one is entitled to your time and if there is a monetary compensation for part of the day, it is just that, a promise to work during the hours you promised to be there. If you can't do a job within those hours, you have too much work or not enough employees.
Load More Replies...You are being an asshole to everyone, not just the pregnant employee. The right question is who profits on the exploitation of the staff. Why is it necessary to work 24/7 ? Why can't you hire temporary workers? People are just blind to the chosen inequalities of the system and think it's natural. It is not.
Agreed. It sounds like his staff are all required to give up there lives for this job.
Load More Replies...Wow. The amount of ignorance in this. The mere fact this guy thinks morning sickness is only in the morning... Instead of writing this post the dude could have done some basic effing Googling and find out that the first and third semesters are the most difficult. Many women think they have THE FLU before they realize they are pregnant. This is the kind of guy that compares maternity leave to a long vacation and like a C-section isn't a big procedure
I often wonder if these guys ever had any operation on their guts. I had one, a laughable small one, but still it left a chronic pain issue and still the areas where they went through all layers hurt as hell - and the longest cut was, like, 4 or 5 cm right below the belly button. Whenever you open someone's womb, no matter how small or for what reason, said person should know this is neither a matter of any of the above, but will cause a lot of pain. A C-section, however ... well, the cut must be large enough to get a living human, although of the smallest kind, through it, and not just some gallstones...
Load More Replies...Regardless of the pregnancy issue, the office conditions sound absolutely inhuman anyway. Working until 9 at night? Answering calls when you are at home? Your manager deciding when you can go to the doctor and how much sick leave is "acceptable"? That office sounds like a dystopian nightmare.
I'm pregnant, I'm ending my first trimestr and I'm offended from this post and feel very sorry for that lady. It was hell! Morning sickness is called "morning" probably because it starts in morning and never ends. You are sleepy all the time. Always. And yes, you need to eat every few hours otherwise you are even more sick. That jerk with lack of human feelings should read more before posting. Posts like this make me appreciate my work enviroment and my supporting partner. Thanks God I don't have to deal with such a situation. Hang on there sister, it will get better.
If she's too sick to work, she should be on temporary disability. Anyone in a supervisory position should know this. Every American employee pays into the disability insurance system.
You think she's going to be approved for temporary disability because of pregnancy? What fairy world do you live in?
Load More Replies...This woman would be home on doctor's orders here in Germany, with full pay, for the entire course of her pregnancy. She clearly needs it. Some people have a really hard time being pregnant. ALSO: what kind of crap job expects you to be available round the clock, pregnant or not?!



























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