50 Times People Took Screenshots Of The Dumbest Arguments Americans Have Made Against Free Healthcare
In pretty much any other nation on God’s green Earth, healthcare is a straightforward issue. However, in the United States, it’s a topic that divides, fractures, and polarizes the population into warring factions: those for access to free healthcare and those adamantly opposed to it.
Well, here at Bored Panda, we believe that access to free healthcare makes a lot of sense. Meanwhile, the current system is incredibly bureaucratic and wasteful according to the latest stats and ought to be improved. How bad is the situation? Well, around 760 billion dollars go to absolute waste each year. However, some Americans are stubbornly against free healthcare and overhauling the system.
Why? While there are some serious arguments here and there, we decided that it’s time that we took a gander at the most ridiculous reasons that people have said ‘no’ to something that ought to be a basic part of life. Scroll on down and upvote your fave pics. Be sure to let us know what you think the pros and cons of free healthcare are, dear Pandas—we always value a well-argued opinion.
Dr. Andrew Carroll from Arizona, has some experience dealing with healthcare insurance companies and fighting for what's best for his patients. Bored Panda previously wrote about how he broke down in tears when a company refused to provide one of his patients a CT chest scan and contacted him again to go even further in-depth about the system in the US.
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Apparently Canada’s Healthcare Is Bad
My bloodwork showed hypothyroidism on January 6, 2021. My doctor and I found the earliest appointment with an endocrinologist is May 26, 2021. That's 79 days. I'll be at that appointment come hell or high water.
Load More Replies...Funny. I know a lot of women from USA with endometriosis and most need to wait months to even get an specialist.
I have a similar condition and I don’t have to wait months. Maybe a couple of weeks. My insurance is kind of trash too but the waiting times aren’t unreasonable. If I had better insurance then I’d happily wait longer though. It’s too expensive.
Load More Replies...Can we just get to the actual truth of the issue? All of these comments by 'Americans' are just things they parrot from the liars they see on TV. There is no universal health care in the USA because of the trillion dollar insurance corporations who pay/donate/lobby the politicians to be against it. These people pray at the alter of capitalism. Our laws are made by people who's livelihoods are paid for by corporations. Gun corporations, insurance corporations, drug corporations, Wall Street corporations. All of these businesses are out for profit and power. None of them cares one bit about the welfare of people or their country. All of the anti-socialist, live-free-or-die, right to bare arms, flag waving, Jesus stuff is just the lies they tell the public to get them to support their agenda of $ above all else.
Upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote....
Load More Replies...As a Canadian, I can tell you that yes, there are wait times for elective procedures. Some of our provinces are very short on doctors, and it can be impossible to find a family physician. Walk-in clinics and online medical services fill that gap. But when we do require medical care, we are provided excellent care, and it does not cause us to go bankrupt. We don't have to choose to pay rent or go to the hospital.
Also, Obamacare is NOT a total failure. It's still worked fairly well and that's even AFTER endless attempts (some successful) by Republicans to sabotage and break it.
Needed 6 emergency surgeries, then intensive care and rehab: free. Needed an unnatural tether pulling on my spinal cord, paralyzing me, removed. Was done straight away by world class neurosurgeon, and that's cutting something from the actual nerves of the spinal column (invasive dangerous and superspecialised)...all free. Hey, recently I hurt a ligament in my hand, had to wait just one week then I was in hand physio and have a custom made wrist brace. All free. If I lived in a country without universal healthcare: paralysed at 6, dead at 30. So yeah I'm all for free healthcare lol. Well we all pay for it in our taxes, but tbh our tax rates aren't that bad here anyway, all things considered
Wait for Operation to see if I have cervix cancer: 2 weeks. Wait for Colonoscopie to see if I have colon cancer: 3 weeks, because of covid. Wait to go to a Sleep laboratory: 3 days. Got a breathing mask and machine right at the sleep laboratory. Payment out of pocket for everything: 0€
Boy this one got me. Here in the good old US we started trying to get my husband on a sleep machine in January of 2019. Every single Dr. emphasized the urgency of being able to breathe at night (duh!). In December of 2019 he finally got his machine!
Load More Replies...It's A Charity Handout
America is stuffed full of "Christians" who, if faced with Jesus and his 13 Apostles on their front lawn, would gun them down with their AR-15 and tweet the pictures proudly.
Load More Replies...The only discussion is whether the money should pass through the state or through business hands.
Load More Replies..."911? Someone is breaking in! Help!" "Ok, ma'am. What insurance will you be using today?" "What? Insurance? I don't have any!" "Ok, ma'am. I'm going to have to terminate this call until you can provide payment for service. Have a good day." This is exactly what our healthcare system does, yet our population does not understand that we have many socialized services already. Take away their access to police, fire, school, and *social* services and they'd be screaming it's a basic right. Politicians are too greedy and we're too stupid to challenge it.
This might be a good way to get us Americans universal healthcare.
Load More Replies...You should get health insurance the way God intended you to - from your employer, unless they don't want to or manipulate your hours so you are not full time or they are real small and can charge enough for their product to pay their employees properly. The employer only does it because their is a law if they want to give it to executives they have to give it to all employees. We should remove that because we don't want no stinking handouts. Oh wait, we are paying for it with our taxes? Never mind.
People don't seem to understand that any program provided by the government through tax dollars is, by definition, socialist--public roads, public schools, police, firefighters, even courts. Do they really want to get rid of any of those?
This is actually how it used to be. In Philadelphia if you didn't have a medallion by your front door, you didn't get fire protection. There were a bunch of different providers. It was a mess. "Ooops, the neighbor accidentally set their Christmas tree on fire, which lit your house on fire, but your house has different insurance so we had to let it burn to the ground." fire-marks.jpg
Healthcare should be a basic right; however, people need to take some responsibility for their health too. Feeling you're entitled to have free healthcare and also trashing your body is not how a responsible citizen behaves. Individual responsibility is required for social systems to work.
This is the best tweet ever! Said no other intelligent person ever!
Won't People Just Hurt Themselves On Purpose?
I like making fun of Americans... it's the least I can do for all the people they have killed in other countries
but not all Americans are bad. Some are, yes. But not all.
Load More Replies...Universal healthcare isn't free coz it gets taken out of your taxes. But it still works out cheaper and it also means everyone can afford to get medical attention. In Aus we pay 2% of our taxes for Medicare once you reach a certain pay threshold.
Well, we do not directly pay healthcare bills, it's going from taxes. Even if you do not work and never worked it's for free. And Yes, there are ppl who like to visit doctors without particular reason or call emergency with hangover. It's an issue which is hard to solve (((
in portugal we have sugar tax, so obese people who over eat have to pay more to finance the health care. you want jump s**t and be an idiot with you health pay more
This one is interesting because it goes toward the discussion of healthy living and extreme sports, which I will NOT be starting.
According to Dr. Carroll, there are clear financial incentives for the companies that provide healthcare insurance to keep the system, with its high administrative costs, as it is. "It will be very difficult to reduce the administrative costs without overhauling the payment system altogether," he explained that even small step-by-step changes would be hard to push through.
Dr. Carroll was very candid about healthcare insurance providers and how it's not in their interest to do what's best for American patients. "Unfortunately, these payers tend not to have altruistic intentions towards their members. They cater to the advantage of the employers paying for the benefits, who want to try and spend the least amount of money they can."
He continued: "Employers that pay for benefits will need to demand more of the companies providing the benefits or patients will need to file class-action lawsuits to demand that benefits due to them are not unduly restricted, as they are today."
An Ambulance Is Not A Taxi
This is technically true. An ambulance is not a taxi to the hospital. However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
What in the god damn f*ck is it then? A weewoo-wagon with flashing lights that drives you around just for fun?
Load More Replies...Um, a "taxi" that comes equipped with paramedics who can keep you from bleeding out and keep you breathing, amongst other kind of important things.
No, it isn't a taxi to the hospital. You take a taxi to the hospital when you are not in imminent danger of serious harm or death. You take an ambulance to the hospital when you start going into labor at 29 weeks... but I guess I should just have waited for a taxi???
I had an ambulance ride in South Africa about 3 years ago. It was a 3 hour journey. Yes, I had out of pocket expense, but is was the equivalent of about $300. Not the end of the world. Overnight hospital stay that included a specialist, a CT scan and general anaesthesia- not a cent. Yes, we have health insurance, but everything is at least covered
Ambulance is more like a taxi WITH a hospital, which is another reason why you should ride one when in medical distress. Sure the paramedics can't do everything, but they can do some first-line stuff, including proper CPR and finding out what kind of care you need.
Taxi driver does not have training to keep me alive en route to hospital.
When You’d Rather Go Bankrupt Than Go To Another Country For Better Healthcare. Because America
I’m moving to Canada first chance I get. It’s a better place.
Load More Replies...I'd rather be where I am, in Canada, than to be debt free in the USA
To be honest, it IS terrible to live debt free in a country where worries like medical bills, mass shootings, the NRA and racist cops are nearly 5000 miles away.
American middle and lower income pays more tax than Canadians, on top of that they pay out of pocket for insurance, on top of that the US gov't spends more per capita subsidizing health care that Canada pays to provide health care for the entire country. It would actually be cheaper for Americans to have universal than what they have now. The "we can't afford it is a lie, America can't afford not to. Canadians also live longer.
I can’t believe Canada borders with America, the contrast is so shocking!
Canadian health care refused to give my cousin a shot to treat her breast cancer. REFUSED because she was in test group for a particular study. Refused to give her the shot and take a blood draw. 10 minutes, at no cost to the doctor. The clinic shipped the treatment and ran the blood test. Not the doctor. She spent 6 months parked in the Connecticut clinic parking lot because of the great socialized medical system. YEA great socialized medicine.
Many americans genuinely believe that everywhere else in the world is like a third-world country. Like, they believe luxuries only exist here.
What's Next, Free Medicine?
I live in France. My dad had chimio for few time before he dead. We did a million different exam and he had access to very very good healthcare including supportive like psychotherapist or massage therapist. We never paid a thing. We didn't even paid for the parking...
to be fair.. I believe Bernie was one of the politicians supporting universal healthcare, wasn't he?
Yes! I said that and was downvoted... for some reason...
Load More Replies...Nah it’s free. This was before it came out though.
Load More Replies...That's the idea. I have epilepsy, diabetes, high blood pressure, and am a colon cancer survivor. Before Obamacare I didn't qualify for health insurance, and if my husband didn't have insurance, I wouldn't have been able to afford the treatments I need (and have needed in the past) to live. We maxed out our $20,000 annual limit after just my first chemo treatment, and there were 15.
Let me just step up on my soapbox for a moment. Years ago my aunt was on chemo for a second time, and as soon as I found out what the price of her additional meds WITH insurance was I about passed out. If I remember correctly we were talking almost $10,000 for a THREE WEEK supply of her meds, because she had a week off so she could recover a bit.
The US spends huge amounts of money on healthcare, but a whopping quarter of the costs are administrative. This means that customers pay a lot, but far from every penny actually ends up helping them directly. There’s a lot of waste in the system and a lot of fat that needs to be cut.
What’s more, hospitals in the US are consolidated. This means less competition, meaning there’s little to no motivation to actually ensure lower prices for patients. If somebody can charge more and the customer has no other choice, why lower the price? (Well, apart from empathy, I mean?)
It's Cr**py In Canada
The US actually has worse healthcare than the UK, Canada and Australia. UK is ranked 18, Canada is ranked 30, Australia is ranked 32 and the US is ranked 37. This is according to WHO.
They certainly did. Just an example of dumb Americans being fücking prudes when people are gunned down left and right here. It’s disgusting.
Load More Replies...Canada is America's hat, really? Well, I guess that makes America Canada's soiled underpants.
From a Canadian who actually had surgery in Michigan, I can attest, the $26000 cost was paid by my free provincial insurance
I would pick Canada. I"m tired of being in this shithole American country with all the mass shootings, rising food costs, rising medical costs, rising costs of everything - and no raise in pay
But We Can Pick Whatever Doctor Or Healthcare Insurer We Want! We Win
This is what happens when the media and politicians lie to the people... plus the people are too dumb to actually pay attention to other countries
Absolutely, I live in France and guess, what ? I chose my own primary care physician.
Load More Replies...Ha! Pick your doctor? Ok rockefeller. Most of us go with the only guy who had an appointment and will take out s**t insurance. Or you can pay out of pocket to see one which use cheaper and gives you an actual choice
What are you talking about? I get to choose my Doctors. I choose my family doctor, my dentist, my paediatrician, my dermatologist.... anyone really. Even surgeons by choosing the hospital I go to. And I am not even insured by myself. I am a housewife right now. My husband works, so my children and I are automatically insured through his insurance.
No you don't. You only get to pick the one your insurance company says you can afford
Yep. And, if like most Americans, you get a plan through your employer, they decide which insurance company you have.
Load More Replies..."You get to pick your insurance" is like picking which gets to suck your blood- Leeches or Ticks.
In Norway we can pick our own GP online, with a maximum 2 changes per year. There are lists of doctors with a practice near you, and you can see how many patients they have. No GP is allowed more than 2500 patients, but the average is around 1100. Also, we hardly pay anything to see them, and there's a maximum deductable of 2460 NOK a year. This includes consultations with your GP, physiotherapists, and psychologists, X-rays, lab tests, prescription drugs, as well as some dental procedures and rehabilitation. If you're in need of a referral to a specialist your GP can choose one for you, or you can choose your own. As long as the specialist has an agreement with the local health authorities, as most do, the fees are still low and count towards your deductible.
“We win” shows the junior high mentality all conservatives are infected with.
Free Refills On Burns
Do you ever drink free water at restaurants and get universal healthcare to flex on everywhere else that doesn't have both.
why would you go on a restaurant and pay for food but only drink the free water?
Because profit margin often very obviously high on drinks (=zero skills) vs food. Obviously not in a KFC, but you go to a decent restaurant you get food you cannot cook yourself with a drink you can get in any supermarket. In some countries food was/is a loss leader in a restaurant, so they'd not allow free water.
Load More Replies...I dont mind paying for my beverage (even if the beverage is water) if that makes it so the staff gets a decent pay.
First time I took a shower in Chicago i ended up with heavy rash on my skin, so no way im drinking that crap. Meanwhile in countries like Sweden the tapwater tastes like expensive mineral water.
Why would I go to a retaurant to drink tap water? We have money in Europe. We buy beer, drinks, soft drinks, etc.
We have free tap water of great quality in Slovakia in restaurants, bars, pubs, anywhere really.
Even better than US: The drinking water in our country, the Netherlands, is from a premium quality.
Despite often boasting about being the bastion of freedom and being the best, the US is woefully struggling along with its healthcare system. The World Health Organization ranks it as the 37th best in the entire world. It doesn’t matter how many amazing doctors and how much cutting-edge tech you have if you can’t help people due to the system in place.
The US spends more of its national income on healthcare than other developed OECD countries and spends more per person than other rich nations. However, this level of spending doesn’t translate to better care.
"There Healthcare Is So Good That They Rely On The Us For Actual Medicines Lol"
You're correct. The AstraZeneca vaccine was created in the University of Oxford. With a bottle plant in Wrexham. The pfizer vaccine was created in Belgium.
Load More Replies...The US do not use the AstraZeneca vaccine. They use Biontech/Pfizer. Which is a vaccine developed in Germany. Pfizer bought into the project so that they could secure enough doses for the US people. (Which Germany failed to do sadly, so now we are way behind although our vaccine was the first on the market.)
In better words, they took german vaccine to usa
Load More Replies...1. It's AstraZeneca and technically it is Cambridge, but it is a Swedish-British company and still all science and research is done in Sweden. 2. The other popular Vaccine from Pfizer (Corminaty) is produced by Pfizer (and Fosun), but developed and licensed by BioNTech. A German company. 3. The only notable American vaccine comes from Moderna. And suprise. Nearly the whole production of Moderna is used within the USA and isn't exported.
The Pfizer vaccine is a german (Biontech), ok Moderna is US I think.
Why Use It If You Can't Afford It?
Actually thanks to him we spot the big difference here between America and other country with free healthcare: In America you have to think if you can afford it BEFORE. That's crazy....
No one should ever have to consider money at such a time, the idea of it seems so alien to me
Load More Replies...The effectiveness of the brainwashing by capitalism is so effective its worse than radicalized terrorism
I did have to wait for 9 months to get my knee replacement.. But it didn't cost anything except some drugs after. How long would it have taken you to save the money for the surgery?? $75000-$100000 . Years??? We are very lucky here in Canada...
in slovakia you also wait for such surgeries.although it is unpleasant, a knee is not a vital organ. however, if you needed a life saving surgery you would get it immediately. and for free of course
Load More Replies...Because maybe they actually want to make it to the hospital, and get treatment on the way. Especially if it's something that could kill them.
We pay for ambulances in NZ, but it's $98. And our Healthcare is funded. I can't believe what they pay in America, that sucks!
you pay for ambulance in Slovakia only if you caused yourself the harm while heavily drunk. and only if the doctors put it to the papers
Load More Replies...I logged in just to make something perfectly clear: Not all 'free healthcare' in Canada is great. Im Canadian. I live in an Eastern province. 10 hour hospital wait, howling in pain without being seen by a doctor or nurses. Went home in the end. Ambulance ride was around $200. Also, if you're a Canadian from one province and you travel to another--you're not covered. You gotta pay some fees. You're only covered in your own province.
I logged in just to make something perfectly clear: Not all 'free healthcare' in Canada is great. Im Canadian. I live in an Eastern province. 10 hour hospital wait, howling in pain without being seen by a doctor or nurses. Went home in the end. Ambulance ride was around $200.
Unfortunately, the one who's sick or injured isn't usually the one who calls. I have epilepsy, and even though nothing's required unless the seizure lasts more than 5 minutes or status epilepticus kicks in, people always panic.
Didn't Ask To Be Blind
Even in Australia with universal healthcare you still have to pay for glasses or contacts. My glasses cost $39 and my daughter got 2 pairs for $189. The eye test at optometrists is free though.
In the Uk if you are on benefits or low paying job you get a lot of help towards glasses.
Load More Replies...In Germany it's free for old people I think. Not sure, have to ask my Grandma first...
Glasses aren't covered generally in Canada, if you are extreme low income they can be but many have optical, dental and prescription coverage through work and your employer pays for the insurance. Mine also gives me a physical activity refund each year, I provide my receipt for a bike or my soccer fee and they give it back to me up to $400 a year. They do this because they've done the math and that $400 saves them sick days and all the expenses associated with an employee with medical issues that stem from obesity.
In my state, that is only true for children and people who have medical diagnoses causing severe sight degeneration. What I hate is the 2 pair for whatever deal, because I need a stronger prescription. They always end up saying that doesn't apply to me. I plan to spend $100 for 2 pair and come out paying $200 for one pair! If I were to want them at all thin, it would be much more.
Load More Replies...Where you live in the US and what type of insurance coverage you have (private vs. public) affect your wait times, too. So you can expect to wait in line to see a doctor even if you think you’re paying top-dollar prices for top-dollar coverage. However, 66 percent of all Americans are afraid that they won’t be able to afford medical care in 2021.
In a couple of earlier interviews, Bored Panda spoke about US healthcare with Tumblr user Avilocirapter (who was paying for a top-tier insurance plan), as well as Dr. Carroll from Arizona (who burst into tears when an insurance company “denied a CT Chest on a young woman with post-Covid syndrome”).
"No, In France, It Costs A Lifetime And A Country Of Taxes." On A Discussion About Ingame Healthcare Costs In Stardew Valley
I’ve saved a lot of money by just not going to the doctor. Sure I’ve had heart palpitations, but it’s cheaper to just die.
That is the saddest thing I have read here tonight
Load More Replies...On our $750/month insurance plan in the US, a physical costs me $325. If I’d had no insurance, they would have charged me $150. That’s like saying that you can go to Disneyland for a $100, but if you pay a monthly membership fee, you can go for $200.
Sometimes it's worthwhile to just ask for the out of pocket price and bypass insurance. They will let you do it. Still makes no sense except to milk money out of insurance companies, who in turn milk their customers.
Load More Replies...One of the other "benefits" of the US health care system is that the Health consumption expenditures per capita are twice as high as those in countries with universal health care. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_recent-years_average-annual-growth-rate-in-health-consumption-expenditures-per-capita
We pay medicare/medicaide fees every month out of our paychecks here in the US, but we can't use it until we are retired (and there is still a fee) or disabled (and there is still a fee) or homeless (and yes! there is SILL a fee!). I bet a lot of people not in HR or Payroll didn't really understand that we are already paying for healthcare, monthly, through payroll deductions, but most of us cannot use it...
Whilst the NHS may refuse the odd treatment (It's usually experimental I believe), the vast majority of the time, you'll get anything you need. We don't have to worry about it bankrupting us whilst insurance companies milk us for all we're worth and refuse to cover costs we need.
We end up paying about the same amount in taxes, but instead ours goes to bloated military contracts and tax cuts for people and corporations that can afford to pay them.
Lmao What Type Of Healthcare Does Iran Have? They Still Use Voodoo So They Should Shut The Hell Up
Yes, it probably was Fox News for all the rubbish and lies and told by someone as Tucker Carlson, I'm willing to bet.
Conservatives just hate us (Iranians) and think everything in Iran is just some war torn desert with screaming mullahs or something. They make this shït up in their ugly asś heads and just run with it, assuming it to be true. And they wonder why Iranians say Marg Bar Amrika.
Load More Replies...Iran has healthcare, it’s universal and the basic parts are free. The special and surprising thing about Iran is that women’s healthcare is very extensive there, birth control is free, and many developments in endometriosis and such are developed there. Voodoo has nothing to even do with Iran which is a mostly Muslim country. As far as I know, Voodoo is like a Haitian thing.
Thank you for teaching me something new that I had no idea about and until a few seconds ago never even thought or wondered about
Load More Replies...If all you know of the world is what Tucker Carlson tells you, then it's no wonder that you know nothing of worth.
Tucker Carlson: Does Iran use voodoo in healthcare? Why do the Dem want you to pay for it? And is that why your dog died when you were 8 years old?
I don’t think Iran has ever used voodoo, that’s more of a Caribbean thing isn’t it? I mean not that everyone in the Caribbean uses voodoo. Just that I think it originated there? I’m totally wrong, aren’t I.
Actually, Voodoo is a Haiti thing and for those who believe, having a spell thrown on you is terrifying.
Load More Replies...Breitbart and Info Wars are also contenders in the "Spreading the most lies" contest.
Voodoo. Really/// ugh the abundance of ignorance should be astonishing but it's not. It's appalling...
If some country used voodoo like in the movies, I don't think us presidents would last for too long alive
I know a few doctors in the U.S. that I'd trust less than a guy in a loincloth with a rattle.
"Has Monumentally Contributed More To Mankind Than All Those Noted Combined"
You'll find Americans invented all the other countries.
Load More Replies...Oh it pains me how little some Americans know about the rest of the world!
But it's the land of the free and the home of the brave ;)
Load More Replies...TURKEY and GERMANY are there. together they contributed the Döner kebab. HOW DID YOU BEAT THAT USA? HOW?
You go to Hungary and get some goulash ... then again, still not the US.
Load More Replies...Um excuse me, the UK gave you the English language, and we the Australians gave you Hugh Jackman.
And in response to Hugh Jackman, Canada gave Ryan Reynolds, and tadaaah both our countries created have a great duo.
Load More Replies...Please add-up Indonesia in the list.. I know we still perfecting the system, but the millions who need it the most already get free-healthcare
Avilociraptor explained that, in their opinion, the private insurance model destroyed the doctor-patient relationship and reduced the autonomy that both patients and providers had. “Nurses are overworked and underpaid, and yet we demonize them when they strike to provide safer conditions for themselves and their patients.”
The solution? According to Avilociraptor, Americans have to “regularly write” to their government representatives and demand change.
"(Us) Healthcare & Medical Infrastructure Is Truly World Class & We Are Much Better Prepared"
I'm truly stunned by the level of deliberate ignorance and self delusion displayed by these people.
I think these are the people that have insurance and enough money to cover any extras...
Load More Replies...Doesn't America have a surprisingly high maternal death rate for childbirth?
Except the mortality rate of USA is among the highest in the world.. Far from what China have achieved..
See we have the greatest mortality, the most best mortality, we win bigly.
Load More Replies...Before it even became recognised as a global pandemic, China took massive steps to curtail the spread of the virus. Closing borders and enforcing lockdowns. You can look at the overall death toll and go, oooooh China had it bad - sure sure, but remember they were, as far as we know, ground zero and the population is roughly 1.5 BILLION compared to the USA population of 350 MILLION. Bit of a difference there. But, as a death v population percentage then, well, hahaha, lolzz @ 'murica.
Are you prepared for the 500,000+ deaths we have already had? Or the 750,000+ we are likely to reach within the current year? Are you completely oblivious to what is happening throughout the world?
World class isn't the same as affordable. You can have the best technology in the world, but it's meaningless if you can't afford to use it.
"Being Poor Is A Choice If Everyone Worked We Wouldn't Even Need 'Free' Healthcare"
I have a "professional" job in an office and I am still considered lower income. A medical emergency despite paying for the best medical insurance my company offers will put me in financial ruin...so....
Apparently hes never worked part time jobs. Or jobs that could/should be full time but are purposely not so they dont have to offer benefits.
2nd Amendment vs. Universal Healthcare
Our "mighty army" was 40,000 men. Facing 400,000 FRENCH men who came to your side. I will have a tea. And if I get a burn from it at least my healthcare is taken care of and won't hurt my credit rating, or bank balance.
It's amazing how many of my fellow Americans don't seem to realize that we were losing the Revolutionary War and would've almost certainly lost in the end had the French not stepped in.
Load More Replies...Actually your farmers didn't "beat the mighty British army" read some history and you will find that you were losing before you got help from the French and, to a lesser extent, from the Spanish and Dutch. So your farmers relied on other European powers to help you win. Don't they teach history in U.S. schools? Not that I oppose the idea of independence and democracy, just ignorance and stupidity.
Yes, we are taught that. "Lafayette is here!" and so on. It was convenient for other nations to erode British power, so they helped the rebellious colonies ------- now the US ------ and I was taught that around age 12. Our Continental Army was recruits and volunteers, but they were not just farmers, and it's sad that anyone believes the fortune-cookie version of their nation's history. (Looking at any other nation, btw. We're all guilty to some extent.)
Load More Replies...And its crippling your country! Gun crime went down because you were told to stay home. You clutch onto the most paltry constitution that a long dead generation chose for you because what? 'Merica bang bang.
Almost 250 years ago, citizens of the British Empire seceded, the most oft-quoted reason being taxation without representation. Eight years later, the Constitution was written; the 2nd Amendment, written for muzzle-loading muskets, came four years after that. In the centuries since, it seems like the biggest takeaways are that the British think that life is better with a health system that is available to everyone, and the Americans think that life is better when your guns are more portable and shoot armor piercing bullets really fast.
I think perhaps the thing I find most depressing about Americans as a collective, is that they have almost no idea about their own country and history, and instead believe a bunch of ridiculous fictions.
The person is so keen to get a dig in about gaining independence that they completely miss the point of the post.
Getting any illness or injury threat level: ZERO, stop being poor!....Being invaded by the British threat level: IMMINENT! Every American must prepare for war immediately!!!
Most of the die hard 2nd Amendment defenders are not so much talking about foreign invasion, but the right to rebel against the government. Yeah. They have drones and bombs and sh!t. Not happening. People debate what the 2nd Amendment means. I think it was made with the idea of a "well ordered" militia protecting the country, written from an 18th century perspective. However, there are those that interpret it much differently than I do.
Load More Replies...Can anyone tell me why this dude is still butt hurt about the Revolutionary War? He probably is for reparations for White Americans but dead set against it for African Americans!
Imagine calling a British person a "redcoat"... somebody's still stuck in the 18th century
Meanwhile, Dr. Carroll previously told us that, in the United States, the insurance company is the payer for a patient’s care, so they’re “heavily involved in the provision of that care.” He said: “Their job is not to pay for healthcare but avoid paying for healthcare. It is a terrible system.”
“Healthcare Is Not A Basic Human Right”
Remind this person of this next time he needs a doctor- it's not a right so he doesn't need to be provided with assistance
Yes it is. It’s just in the US you seem to put the individual above everything else, assume everyone has the same life chances and cry “communism” over any collective action that might benefit everyone - even if it would work out cheaper. Why the average American defends the bloated greedy bureaucracy that passes for their healthcare industry is beyond me. Perhaps some acceptance and humility that other countries might just “do health” with more efficiency, empathy and compassion than you would be a start?
According to the universal declaration of human rights, which is cosigned by the US government, medical care IS a human right. " Article 25: 1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. 2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."
Nestlé's CEO at the time said the same thing about water. Bet someone is going to say this about Oxygen... I'll guess within the 20 years to come!
Dying in a hospital parking lot cuz you can't afford treatment but make too much to get Medicaid?
Load More Replies...Speaking as a person who holds an MD (do not practice, many of us go into research or other related fields).... Yes, healthcare if a basic human right, b/c it's a basic human NEED. Like air, water, food, shelter....
What does this person think is a basic human right? I’m going to guess it’s not shelter, education, food, water, compassion, decency...
I believe I've read, somewhere, something about the right to life. Or did I imagine that?
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as I recall.
Load More Replies...“So You’re Saying Their Healthcare Is No Better Than Ours?”
I can't believe someone believed Yukon is in the US.... I blush with shame for their ignorance, and pity their teachers.
This horrible couple tried to jump the queue and pretended to be local hotel workers in Yukon to get their first shots. Got caught and he was fired by his company. Now they can’t get a second shot in time to make the first one count so their whole grift was for nothing.
They also risked bringing the virus to a place that has had very few cases and only one death. So selfish.
Load More Replies...We Have To Fund The Innovation That The Socialist Healthcare Systems Of The World Leach On
While America most certainly does contribute to medical advancement (in their universities, not their hospitals) it's just dismal that all these people have no grasp that other countries do too. The biggest serum institute in the world, without which none of us would be getting vaccines, is in India, as one topical example.
Let's see--the Pfizer vaccine was developed in conjunction with a German firm, The Astra Zeneca vaccine was from Oxford, England, and China and Russia each developed their own vaccines. I don't think we have a monopoly on innovation.
Universal Healthcare isn't in my country, but its still amazing. Its a lot cheaper than you'd think, ambulance rides are free and if you are hospitalized and don't have medical aid, once you are stable enough they will move you to a government hospital where it is cheaper.
I'm not 100% sure if this is true, but I think if you can't pay at a government hospital it is free, but your released as soon as they know that you won't die
Load More Replies...So then why is COVID-19 still rampant in the USA, When Australia has just about eradicated it?
When Frederick Banting co-discovered insulin in the 1920s, he sold his share of the drug’s patent to the University of Toronto for $1 because he wanted the life-saving medicine to stay accessible. Nowadays, a vial of insulin Type 1 diabetic costs about US$340 in the US and roughly $34 in Canada. How much did American big pharma put into research and development of insulin $0. Americans die either rationing or going without insulin, and there is no excuse. It's greed plain and simple.
Dr. Carroll also opened up about the hardships that healthcare professionals like him face in the line of duty. “We are trained very early, almost like soldiers, to work hard and long hours, deal with extremely stressful conditions, and work through the emotional turmoil of death, debility, and the effect those things have on the patient and their families.”
"Healthcare Is Not A Right, Unless You Feel Like Slavery Is Ok"
So... The police, fire service, street lighting, the army.... What the frickin track do you think your taxes pay for? You ALL benefit from "someone else's labour" AS WELL AS YOUR OWN LABOUR. That's the point.
Shh! Don't make them think! It makes them grumpy! And, alas, they have guns.... *sigh*
Load More Replies...does this guy not realize that we pay for social security and medicare with every paycheck already? Why isn't it already 'free'? we are already paying...
I hate the "why should my tax dollars pay for everyone else's medical care?" argument. I always try to pint out that tax money ALREADY goes to fund others healthcare. Any hospital in the US that receives federal funds writes off a portion of the bills that uninsured people have. I spent about 17 years as a type 1 diabetic with no insurance or Medicaid or anything. I had to use my county hospital as my primary care SO much. If large portions of those bills hadn't been written off I'd have millions of dollars still owed. A social worker at that hospital told me about the write offs when I was worried about how I was going to get dialysis after being diagnosed with end stage renal disease. Luckily before I even left the hospital I was on Medicare. Even then the monthly bill for dialysis (before I qualified for Medicaid as well) was about $518 a month, that's 20%. Being healthy or having access to quality maintenance care for chronic diseases IS absolutely a human right.
why do they think our doctors and nurses aren't paid? they should be paid MORE, but that's not because it's not possible, it's because of government spending priorities
Many slaveowners were made to provide a shack, potato sacks for clothing, and scraps of food for their slaves, at their expense. The only difference between then and now is that the slave has to pay for those things.
Ask Ur Hero How Finland Is Doing During This Wuhan Virus. Their 'Free' Healthcare Is Failing And Bankrupting Their Country
Even adjusted for difference in population (US has about 70x higher) that's about 56K total deaths. We're still at almost 10x higher deaths per capita.
Load More Replies...Finland is doing just fine. Now if the covidiots could stop being idiots so that this s**t ends some day, that'd be nice. We have vaccines rolling out, slowly but surely, lots of things are closed and fun stuff is not allowed, which pisses off a lot of people, but I'm quite happy staying at home and learning new skills for a new career path.
Socialism? Finland is a capitalist economy and a democracy. And it is not in any risk of failure. Where do you get your information "Faux News"?
Finland has been awarded as the happiest country in the world for a few years now so it can't be that bad!
Yes, Finland is doing fine and our healthcare system is doing fine. Yes we have taken debt to be able to support struggling companies and to vaxxinate everybody etc. but we can manage that debt if we continue taking care of people. Government is reacting with more restrictions when numbers are getting higher so the healthcare withstands. Death toll per capita is 146,37 deaths per one million population in total and 0,72 last 7 days. USA numbers 1649,96 / 16,43. These numers tell covid-19 deaths per one million population. They are comparable numbers no matter the population of country. Also death toll doesn't correlate with how many tests were taken (just a note to all maga people). Keep safe out there!
Free testing, free vaccine, free health care, paid sick leave and quarantine times. And no bankruptcy in sight, the only problem is potentially running out of ventilators and specialized health care professionals. But go ahead and watch, we'll wait.
Americans: Look at the numbers: USA 1,675 deaths per million, Finland: 146 deaths per million. Europeans: Look at the numbers: USA 556,883 deaths, Finland 809 deaths.
Uuum not? This is the worst example ever. Finland, Norway and Sweden have free healthcare. Have to say we are not bankrupt. You actually save money when you do this.
Healthy people work better and longer and thus generate more taxes - Economics 101
Load More Replies...“Still Better Than Places With Free Healthcare”
Because places with free healthcare are also places where gun violence, systemic racism and sexism and modern slavery doesn't exist.
Load More Replies...People there are being brainwashed into this 'Murica is Greatest Country' idea and it shows.
Talking to a certain kind of American about anything like this is like watching someone smash themselves in the face with a brick while shouting, around their bloodied, broken teeth, "it's my right, I'm FREE to do it if I want!" Like, sure, okay, but it doesn't look like you've thought through why you really want to do that....
I saw an article about a guy who was in hospital for 30 days or close to that with COVID, and left with $1 million bill. He was distraught when he went home and said he wished they’d just let him die! Can you imagine wanting to die because you’re terrified of the costs from having your life saved? ):
It's never actually 'free' It's 'Free At The Point Of Use' You pay contributions along with your taxes to the government. They are the major provider but you CAN buy private healthcare (99.9% don't) You are still entitled to use the healthcare even if you can't contribute via the tax system though..
It's as good as free though. We don't end up in thousands and thousands of our currencies in debt if we were to break our arm or something.
Load More Replies...How? Healthcare in the USA costs more per person than in any other modern democratic country and we deliver less health care to our citizens. We rank below 23rd in the OECD group of modern countries, far from first. 30% of our citizens have no health insurance or ineffective insurance. Life Expectancy in the USA is below all European nations, with some areas, such as West Virginia, matching that of Third World countries.
However, Dr. Carroll can’t imagine doing anything else. Being a doctor, helping people, is his calling. “I love what I do because I could not see myself doing anything else. I’ve wanted to be a doctor since I was 5, since I myself had a major medical issue.”
Healthcare Is Not A Right In 'Merica
Germanys constitution. Part 1-1: Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. Part 2-2: Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.
The first sentence translated is: "Human dignity IS inviolable" It's not nitpicking, it's a difference between "sollte sein" and "ist".
Load More Replies...1992, 27th amendment. It says that the rate of compensation for members of Congress can only change after the subsequent election in the House.
Load More Replies...Amendment 9 says that the Bill of rights is not a complete list, and just because something isn't on there doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental right.
Isn't healthcare to preserve life? If your government isn't doing at least that, what is the point?
Again technically true, but not an argument. You happily added amendments over time as needed, but suddenly decided that's it now it's sacrosanct and immutable? That's some pope-ish infallibility s**t.
in italy constitution is the articol 32: the state must provide health care for everyone (Citizen or not) and for some people it's free (the elderly, the disabled, the poors). for the ones that have to pay, we are in the 20-150 € range depending of what. and not even for anything! birth: free for all. am accident: free for all... you have to pay to like, analysis and s**t
One of the listed purposes of the Constitution is to "promote the general welfare." I'd call taking care of the health of the public as promoting the general welfare.
“You Can Get Free Healthcare Right Now Join The Army”
To then get injured in a way you can't benefit the army anymore so you can end up being a homeless veteran in a wheelchair. Hey at least people will thank you for your service.
Load More Replies...Free healthcare won't get you out of that body bag they use to transport you back to the USA.
Sir I can’t join the army, I have a medical condition. That I have to spend thousands to treat. So sit down and shut the fvck up.
Never join the military for Healthcare. The VA refused to give my father oxygen and he had COPD. He begged the doctors at the largest VA in the US and they said his numbers weren't low enough to qualify. His doctor told me to buy him McDonald's to get his weight up (he was 70lbs). He died a week and a half later, a week of which hospic kept him sedated with morphine because it was too painful for him to be awake. I watched my father slowly suffocate and cry about how much pain he was in. A week and a half, and the VA never gave him oxygen. The US doesn't care about veterans and the VA is worthless.
Unless you can no longer serve, because your state of health, no longer allows it.
I Should Be Able To Opt Out Of Insurance If I Want... With Universal Healthcare I Lose That Freedom Of Choice
...I think my brain just broke. You want to be able to pay FULL price for any illness or injury? That's... freedom, of a sort?
This is like the people who say they don't want to go to heaven because they won't be able to sin there. I've literally heard that argument.
Load More Replies...You can pay for private healthcare in the UK if you wish. You can be seen faster, waiting lists for not emergency surgery etc, get your own room. They generally use the same consultants and surgeons that work in the NHS
Eh? You can decline treatment, it isn't forced on you. But yes, you have to pay your taxes.
Sure--then when you can't afford your bill and declare bankruptcy, it becomes everyone else's problem.
I had to read that several times to make sure I read it correctly. That person is a f***ing cretin.
Technically true. BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES RAPING OUR WALLETS TO DEATH.
He continued: “I remember the care and compassion my doctors when I was that age showed me, and helped me get through my very tough time. I wanted to do that for others, and so far I think I have done so. Insurance companies make it difficult though, and nearly force cold, inhumane, and compassionless rules on patients when they are most vulnerable.”
"Healthcare Is Not A Basic Right - And I'm Concerned That Anyone's Kids Assume They Have The Right To Demand Someone Else Finance Their Healthcare"
how do you think insurance works ? those that pay in but dont use are technically paying for those that do use it
I know-that always makes me smile. Insurance is basically the ultimate socialist construct-everyone paying in a small amount to afford something that they cannot afford individually.-but try explaining that to the MAGA crowd...
Load More Replies...Not just that, but they demand everyone band together to fund the roads they use, their rubbish getting collected, a house fire being put out, the police investigating when they were robbed. It goes on and on.
It's an insurance paid as tax you twit. Because everyone pays it costs less for each and gives far more comprehensive cover for all.
Universal declaration of human rights. Article 25: 1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. 2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.
Would you take that attitude with the Fire Department or Garbage collection just because your house hasn’t caught fire or your neighbour produces more waste than you? When the risk is shared then everyone wins. I have paid for the NHS through my taxes throughout my working life and thank goodness I have had little cause to ever use their services. The notion that I lose sleep and get angry that someone less fortunate than me gets a heart transplant is ridiculous. I’m glad that person gets the treatment they need and glad (due to genetic luck) it’s not me on the operating table. It’s called empathy for your fellow human or “loving thy neighbour” but, judging from some comments I’ve seen, some people would rather be bankrupted due to medical costs than even entertain this idea. Given the amount of so-called Christians in the US, I’m surprised that the most fundamental of biblical teaching fails to inform your health policy. None so blind...
“Avoid Situations In Which You May Need The Hospital”, In A List Of Solutions To Not Pay Healthcare Too Much
America , the place where you'd rather pay 10s of thousands for health care because you don't want to help out your fellow Americans
The unspoken issue here, I'm sorry to say, is race. A large number of people in this country (the U.S.) do not want to help black and brown people and the racists among us assume that the poor and the non-white constitute the same population. It's shameful, of course, and not even particularly accurate, but that's behind a lot of the resistance to universal health care.
Load More Replies..."Hospitals are forced to give you free care" vs. "I won't pay the bill for anyone". Can anybody explain? What do they think, what this kind of "free" means? That doctors and nurses didn't get paid? That treatments and medication don't cost a penny?
Well, they think the government will come to their door and rob them of their spare cash. B/c healthcare doesn't do that already. Yes. It makes no sense. These are people who would let you die rather than pay a dollar more in taxes a month.
Load More Replies...“Avoid situations in which you may need the hospital“ yes… When A mad clown broke down a door and kidnapped my best friend... she clearly shouldn’t have been in her own home that day.
"Be smart with your money" I had an emergency appendectomy in my late 30's. How do you plan for that? Just got that bill taken care of and was able to start putting money back into a retirement account. Next up...My husband was in his 40's when he was diagnosed with cancer. His job tried to lay him off his job the day of his first radiation treatment. They couldn't do that or they would be in big trouble. They waited until a week after his final treatment. Then he was laid off. All the money that was saved was then spent on hospital/doctor bills and surviving a year before he found another job. My husband is cancer free, Praise God! All I can think is how much better off we'd be if there was universal healthcare in America. I'd gladly pay taxes so everyone wouldn't have to worry about outrageous hospital bills. And, to get rid of insurance reps over riding your doctor and deciding what treatment is best for their profit.
Dont have a baby! But if you get raped and get pregnant abortions are illegal? So force me to have a baby I cant afford because someone else raped me? Its my fault I dont have insurance. Absolute horsecrap
I'd like to see this person last 5 minutes on sheer personal responsibility. We all rely on each other to get through life. Even billion dollar corporations use public roads, employees educated in public schools, etc., etc.
Yes, get a job to avoid needing hospital treatment. It should be a good safe job, like food line worker. Stand shoulder to shoulder with thousands of others each day. Make sure your blade is good and sharp, that line moves fast and you better make your daily quota. Not making enough money? Jump at the opportunity to make money on the side. I suggest bungee jumping instructor. Also, don't have a baby. One way to do that is same sex relationships. I'm sure the author of this post would salute you for such a frugal decision.
Not Sure It Works This Way
Haha my first thought: good luck giving yourself a successful heart surgery.
Load More Replies...So this jackass has no problem that WE are paying for the senators' plan? For life?
Even becoming a doctor is an expensive way only in the US. I graduated from the largest and one of the most prestigious university hospitals in Europe and my tuition fee was three hundred and something Euros per semester - and even that already included a student ticket for public transportation
Plenty of Americans who are against free healthcare have a mindset that’s full-on ‘the strong survive, the weak perish’ which would be useful in a post-apocalyptic world, not when we’re all supposed to be civilized and aiming for longer, higher-quality living. And it’s a tad ironic that a country that is so full of charitable, warm, friendly people also has to deal with a cold, dehumanizing, penny-pinching healthcare system.
Imagine Having To Wait Months For Healthcare Because You Live Somewhere That Has Government Run Healthcare
That's true. There's not enough doctors for everyone to be seen immediately so if my situation isn't dire I will wait a couple of months for a visit with a specialist. The more serious the condition is, the closer to the beginning of the line you are placed. I see no problem with that, I don't want somebody else to die because I was impatient. And that's for public healthcare. A yearly insurance at a private network of clinics costs about a quarter of a mean monthly salary. Within that you can go to any specialist (except, I think the dentist) and then it's much shorter waiting time.
Well said! And many people in the US wait long periods for specialists also!
Load More Replies...Yep, totally. Here in Italy my grandmother was diagnosed with a tumor in the larynx and after a week she was operated. These us citizens are just c***s too self-absorbed into sucking their own c***s to see the benifits of Universal Healtcare.
I can't believe they actually think it's a good thing they have to pay for it!
Load More Replies...I’m in the us and has to wait months just to see my primary care provider. In fact I think most people wait months unless it’s an emergency, and we don’t even HAVE government-run healthcare here.
When you're in an emergency in Europe, you will get help right away, without any inquiries about your financial status or insurance and without signing any Hospital waivers and patient consent forms.
When I want to see my family doctor I have to make an appointment months ahead. All her appointments are full for 2-3 months, always. So I wait AND I pay. Not the best system. She's a great doc tho.
Imagine not getting health care because you can't afford it. Imagine not getting tests you need because your health insurance will not cover it then months down the line you find out you have a serious illness and your chances of recovery would have been significantly improved had you only discovered it sooner.
.....Like the 35% of Americans that have Care or Caid? Which are run by......?
It's called triage, f*****t. In Australia, life-threatening injury from car accident (say) = instant (free) health care. Non life-threatening need for a knee reconstruction = a wait (but still free). Seems reasonable to me.
American Talking About Free Healthcare
Ironically, the US ranks worst in preventable deaths from lack of timely healthcare. (out of the top 16 wealthiest countries)
I'm Canadian, I have several cancer survivors in my family, they didn't wait and being diagnosed early because an annual check up was free and I actually get a cervical cancer test reminder every year from the government, saved lives. Women in Canada actually have better breast cancer survival rates than America, we're not waiting, we're living.
What a crock of sh**! All I‘m seeing here is that none of these „experts“ have ever left the country or actually lived in any of the countries they are commenting on.
"Better Than The Free Healthcare [...] Ours Is Expensive, Not Crap"
Facts missing again. I Wonder if it's more a lie or laziness.. Ignorance, I know but such irresponsible statements could be understood as lies.
It's laziness and being fed a diet of Fox News or Faux Fox as it's known here.
Load More Replies...I would say it is just ignorance. I am not saying the crappy communist healthcare is perfect, then again they do prevent you fron dying. I love how some Americans think they are so smart and special, but have no ideea what they are talking about.
We still hate what the government has done to it though.
Load More Replies...This comes from someone who may also believe that the holocaust never happened, man never walked on the moon, or the earth is flat.
Ours is not expensive and not crap. At least we don't have to take out a second Mortgage just to have a baby.
But Your Doctors Are Imbecile
Other Americans, most likely those who never needed medical help in these other countries.
Load More Replies...I'm getting the impression that those people think universaI healthcare means shamans, leeches, blacksmith pulling your teeth...
You obviously have never been outside of the US, let alone had health care outside of the US. In the countries with Universal Health Care it not only costs less, it's often superior health care.
As opposed to the US, where 100% of our doctors are competent, there’s no such thing as malpractice, and they actually listen to you when you tell them that something is wrong.
Someone doesn't have spell check. Misspelled words and poor grammar take away from the message which you are trying to convey.
Imbecile doctors are few and far between and all medical staff are closely and continuously monitored in the UK. Its certainly not the case that all the best ones run off to private health care for more cash. The best doctors deeply care for their patients and are not just in it for a big payday.
Not closely enough though, our NHS is non existent in some areas
Load More Replies...Healthcare Is Governmental Slavery
I think it means that the government employs healthcare workers and then doesn't pay them. In England right now, this is sort of true though: we pay taxes to the government but those taxes are wasted on things like our useless monarchy and extra money for the members of parliament to "cover extra office costs during the pandemic" instead of going to the healthcare workers. However, this problem is caused by capitalism instead of free healthcare.
Load More Replies...Either lower medical expenses to be affordable for everyone or provide universal healthcare. People shouldn't need to choose, medication or food. The US has one of the highest prescription drug prices, because unlike other countries pharmaceutical companies decide what to charge -- often for no reason
Dude, I am fully capable of getting free healthcare and thinking some of my government policies are crap.
Heck, I can even write to my government. It’s not like doing it with a broken arm and a pile of debt would make that any easier.
Load More Replies...Yes, your plastic surgeon making 20% less is slavery! What will his 3rd mistress do without a second jaguar? Doc Lives Matter!
Let's throw anything and everything at the wall and see what sticks and of course, let's not back that up with anything, just because we can: "The freedom of speech is government fascism"
“Wealthy Brits Fly To The Us For Critical Care Because We Have The Best Healthcare In The World”
forgetting Brits do actually move to the USA for the weather , do you expect them to fly home for treatment then fly back ??
Actually a lot of them do. Its cheaper than just the ambulance ride
Load More Replies...Health tourism works both ways. Have a look on YouTube- there are amazing videos about it. One in particular is an American woman that had a baby in the UK and never paid a single penny. Whereas in America she would be billed to have flesh to flesh contact with her own baby after it had been delivered, which is just disgusting.
Actually thanks to one of the laws in the USA if you have your baby on USA soil their automatically a US citizen
Forgetting that sometimes patient gets send to other countries to get treatment. Guess who pays for that to
Gimme That Fat TV!
Europeans can get bigger toys if they disregard their own health and education!!! Seriously?
Blame the capitalist manipulation of youth, they've spend the last hundred years convincing people that success is measured by the accumulation of goods (or replacing old goods with new goods unnecessarily). Naturally, 'leaders' who make their money through the sale of those goods would absolutely tell you that.
Load More Replies...Who would want healthcare if you could also have a bigger TV? No, seriously, no one in Germany pays 60% taxes and our healthcare also is not exclusively funded by taxes. We pay for our insurance. But we pay way less than Americans, because EVERYONE here pays into the system.
Lmao. What do they think over there about the size of our tvs, apartments and houses? There's nobody I know whiteout at least one tv with more than 50" and I'm just a random guy with a random job.
We all actually dream of a 6000 sq ft house in Omaha and a 1000 " RPTV, but we're just too ashamed to admit it.
Ah yes, a huge apartment and a huge TV, the most important things in life. /s
"You’re Welcome American Citizens Literally Pay For The Rest Of The Worlds Healthcare." On A Tweet About Canada
"American citizens literally pay for the rest of the worlds (sic) healthcare" - I don't even know what they're thinking here.
I think they are implying that the costly American healthcare system funds substantial research into medications and treatments. I suppose it does, but not to the degree which that guy seems to think it does.
Load More Replies.......Are people not aware we have hosptials in Canada? Quite a few, actually. With some of the best doctors in the world.
No all of the doctors who are in free healthcare countries are awful, according to people who don’t live in those countries.
Load More Replies...St.Jude's Children's Hospital. Since the 1950's they have specialized developing cancer treatments for children. No cost to the families. What the insurance pays is all the expect. The rest is paid for by donations from those who want to donate. Those treatments are shared world wide. Free enterprise made it possible for St. Jude to help all children around the world.
So basically the US pays everyone's taxes that pay for their free healthcare?
Found On Quora: "Don't Talk About Healthcare, That's Not Sometimes That Defines The Greatness Of A Country"
Since when Is USA the greatest country in the world. Get your facts straight. And if you are too lazy watch the series 'newsroom'. There is a nice rant about wlhow f****d up USA is
To themselves it is a "great country". To all the sane people in the rest of the world, the usa is just a circus on fire.
Load More Replies...No country is 'the greatest country in the world' what a stupid thing to aim for or even try to define. We can all learn good ideas from each other.
Sorry to break it to you, mate, but most of us non-Americans think it's funny (and sad) that you think America is the best country in the world. That fact that you apparently need reassurance that it is suggests that maybe you have just a sneaking suspicion that it isn't.
What does define the greatness of a country..?
No the US has: A poorly managed army, S**t safety in schools, Racial injustice, Corrupted government, entitled people (anti-maskers/anti-vaxx) and the worst of all non/barely any firearm management because the IRA pay the US government to stay in business.
Please google "best country in the world in 2021" Also, look where your greatest country ranked in the last ten years...
"I'll Pay My Healthcare And Others Can Pay Theirs If They Can't That's Unfortunate"
They're right not to believe in European socialist well fair states, because something like that doesn't exist. We do not have socialist states here. But that's hard to understand if "universal healthcare" is a socialist concept for you.
"Well fair"? Is that an annual rural festival where you can buy wells?
'Well fair' rofl. Still, he's sort of right: that someone who is sicker than me gets treated before me...well, fair.
So when your house burns down don't look to your insurance company to pay for rebuilding it. After all, I don't want my premiums used to pay for your loss. And while you're at it, don't call the fire department - after all, why should other people's tax dollars be used to pay firefighters when you could simply engage a private fire fighting company. And when the time comes, don't collect Social Security or Medicare. And don't send your kids to public schools - after all, why should my tax dollars pay for your child's education - send them to private schools that don't receive gov't monies.
Ah, and what to do when you don‘t even know the difference between communism and socialism, yet alone social marketplaces? Then you‘d spew utter crap like this!
"Healthcare Isn't A Human Right"
Once again it's clear that Americans do not know the Universal declaration of human rights. Even under the Geneva convention wounded prisoners of war have a right to health care.
I can see why someone might be offended that their contribution to a national healthcare system was spent on someone with a chronic condition of their own making (diabetes induced by a poor diet, drug or alcohol abuse, etc), but many of the chronic conditions people suffer from could easily be prevented by proper access to medical treatment in the first place. How many people suffering from mental illness self-medicate with drugs and alcohol? How many people with diabetes, heart disease, etc. suffer due to a poor diet, or inability to afford treatment which would restore their quality of life and ultimately reduce the overall cost of their care.
I'm not offended. If they aren't dying or disabled by disease, then they're prodcutive members of society and contributing to the whole thing.
Load More Replies...Yet they use roads and other services funded by other tax payers.
Lol. If you pay taxes you are still paying for people like that, especially drug addicts, on medicaid or uninsured. They show up in the ER over and over.
I hate seeing "health care is not a human right". That's basically saying that you have to pay to stay alive.
I agree that healthcare is a human right, but you do actually have to pay to stay alive.
Load More Replies...Hope his parents work until they keel over so they can afford insurance.
Free Healthcare Doesn’t Work And It’s A Failing System In Almost Every Country
That's what I was thinking. They literally know nothing and have been told rubbish.
Load More Replies...Excuse me while I just take a moment to weep for the lies they must be being peddled to believe that their immoral healthcare system is the best
Ever since our free healthcare work, our life expectancy goes up.. But of course you never see that fact
the more i read thru this thread the more I want to bang my head against a wall
And yet none of those countries are failing due to universal healthcare.
Free Healthcare Is Why Italy And Spain Have Thousands Dying Everyday From Coronavirus
Apparently people catch it on purpose just because it’s free to go to the hospital?
Load More Replies...Italy, Spain, France, and the UK's death toll combined isn't even as high as the US's ...
Just a bit racist, don't you think? And a whole lot of dumber than a stump!
So expensive healthcare is why more than half a million have died from coronavirus here?
Wait Until You Find Out Waiting In Line For 11 Hours To Vote Is Absolutely Wonderful Compared To The Amount Of Time People Wait To See A Doctor In Countries With Socialized Healthcare
phone up at 8 am see a doctor at 10am , sooooo much waiting , these fools just listen to RepubliCONS filling their heads with sh1te
I had a urine infection. Called doctor at 9am, due to COVID they were doing callbacks rather than asking people to go straight round to the GP's surgery. Got a callback at 9.30am, discussed the symptoms, etc. Doctor emailed a prescription for antibiotics to my local pharmacy and picked them up at 10:30am.
Load More Replies...I had the most awful wait time of 15 minutes! I called my doctor at 8:30am to get an appointment for 11am . I arrived and had to wait 15 minutes because the doctor went to the toilet after he had finished with his last patient. I was so inconvenienced that I nearly yawned!
I usually call the dcotor after my morning work, at about 10pm. If it isn't an urgent matter then a doctor will call me back before they close at 1.30pm and ask if I can be dealt with over the phone which I usually can. Prescription, which in my country is free, is ready for me to collect when they open up again after lunch- 3pm. If I need a set of blood taken then they just ask when I'm available, usually the next day and I get my results in 3 days. I see no problem with the way my country runs its healthcare. Not to mention we are the first country in the world to provide free sanitary products to anyone that needs them. Scotland knows how to do health. My sister had non-Hodgkins lymphoma which she beat using our brilliant NHS and then less than a full year later she discovered she had a rarer type of cancer which was subsequently beat using an innovative and relatively new treatment. All the while her mortgage was being contributed towards by her employer. All of this for FREE. There was no need for a GoFundMe, she never had to choose between health and house. The most paid for her hospital visit was the taxi fare (-£8)
Just a minute, Scotland's health care is not that brilliant. I lived there for 14 years and found anything beyond the GP was virtually impossible, 200 miles to the hospital at least. The care offered was totally dependent on where you lived.
Load More Replies...Not only we don't wait in line for the doctor, we had election this weak and I waited 5 minutes for my turn.
As for voting, Go down to the Polling Booth, walk straight in, register, vote. out. 12 minutes.
The beauty of the US voting system, waiting hours upon hours to vote.
I just called for my son. Can you make it in 30 min. Then we had to call the dentist who was on a lunchbreak so we couldn't reach him. Thirty minutes later we called again and he asked if we could be there in 20 minutes. All of this after a little playground mishap in school. Took less than 11 hours even if I start counting from the time I woke up this morning.
No It Isn’t, “Free” Healthcare Does Not Get Into The Concept Of A Human Right
Ok. Technically I guess we do via our taxes... but like waaaaaaay less than them!
I pay just under £5000 a year to national insurance, and am very happy that will help people who need it.
This person has read on the internet that taxes in Europe can run up as high as 150.5 % of your daily income and that sales tax is somewhere in the region of 132.8%. And that's why we have affordable sustainable health care.... /S
Before Obama Care, my neighbor had no health insurance. She told me she and her family just went to the ER, at no charge, when they felt unwell. After Obama Care took force, she is now having to pay $500/month. I reminded her Someone paid for her and her family's care. It was the property owners who paid thru' their property tax. Then I told her that as a property owner, I had paid for her and her family's visits to the ER. That put an end to our friendly chats.
Your minimum wage would be hire if your boss didn't have to pay the insurance premiums.
"Everyone Gets Free Healthcare Because It's A Right. Then Everyone Gets A Free Firearm. Because That's Definitely A Right"
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Does not mean you get a free firearm
I've been advocating for a swords-only self-defense policy for years!. Everyone must be required to carry a sword at all times, and multi-shot firearms are strictly prohibited. At least that way, if people want to skirmish with each other, they at least need to have some level of skill to kill the other person. You get all of the posturing and whatnot, with none of the gunpowder.
Load More Replies...Relieved that he second amendment does not forbid owning Arms. BTW, are tanks considered legal too? I always wanted to own a tank and a couple of RPGs
Canada Only Has Free Healthcare Because Of The Us
What did I just read? From what does USA protect Canada. Last time I checked the only neighbours are Greenland and USA.
The US is the only reason Denmark haven't invaded Canada to finally put an end to the dispute over Hans Island..
Load More Replies...If you are so protecting us with your military, why the hell did we had to help you in every conflict you got yourself in up to your ears?
With this kind of idiocy, I'm surprised Canada doesn't view their relationship with us as living above a meth lab.
Canada has the Healthcare system that it has got, because it realised that the US healthcare System is so F@#ked up, they didn't want anything to do with it, Nor does Australia.
Yeah, you never know when the Fire Nation will attack. And that will change everything for those pesky Canadians for sure.
"My Grandfather Went To France In 1944. Germans In Control And Not Offering Doc Visits. He And Other American Servicemen Liberated The Country" On A Tweet Where An American Man Praises The French Healthcare System
Helped to liberate along with all the other allies, most of whom were in from the start.
Exactly. Americans didn't get in the game until quite late. They seem to forget this fact.
Load More Replies...You have to go that far back to be able to boast? Though also, not just the US. Part of it, not all of it. Came in later and your country wasn't being bombed and dealing with rationing.
Kinda true kinda false. The part about america not being able to pay for free helthcare because of military is true. The part about us saving others a**es is not true. Saving other's asses is not the same as steamrolling a country to bits. Do we really need 11 carrier battle groups??? You can downvote me now.
Presently there are 11 total aircraft carriers, but only 9 carrier strike groups, 4 at east-coast naval bases, 4 at west-coast naval bases and 1 permanently deployed to Yokosuka Japan. USS George Washington and USS John C. Stennis are in drydock, USS Harry S. Truman has been tied up in Norfolk since June of last year, and USS Gerald R. Ford has not yet been deployed. I'm not saying that makes it any better, but at least the facts are straight.
Load More Replies...How desperate do you have to be to bring WWII as an argument against universal healthcare?!
Why do people ack like it's America and only America that won ww1 and ww2 If that's true why do we get our butts kick in Vietnam
Didn't the US always dither in joining any wars, I mean German forced them the first time (RMS Lusitania was Sunk) and Japan forced them the second time (Pearl Habour). They were perfectly happy just to let everyone else get on with it.
"During the struggle for American independence, France provided the money, troops, armament, military leadership, and naval support that tipped the balance of military power and paved the way for the Continental Army’s ultimate victory. Over the course of the Revolution, France provided an estimated 12,000 soldiers and 32,000 sailors to the American war effort. Without the committed support of France, it is difficult to see how the revolutionary cause could have been sustained in the face of British military power. French involvement in the American Revolution strained France’s finances, exactly as many had predicted. The economic collapse that followed proved to be a major factor in the coming of the French Revolution in 1789." SOURCE : AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST. Travis Shaw : BA in History from St. Mary’s College of Maryland and an MA in Public History from American University. IN SHORT : WITHOUT THE FRENCH THE AMERICAN FLAG WOULD BE THE UNION JACK TODAY ! emoji-643f...f97673.png
an american myth : It's the goddamn American Revolution. Sure, the French stepped in late in the game, but by the time they bothered to put down their baguettes and wine, the colonists had already proven they were a solid bet. Even after the Americans won at Saratoga, French assistance was, well, French: underwhelming and plagued by indecision. THE REALITY : In the centuries since the Revolutionary War, French contributions have been criminally downplayed. Somewhere between the real Yorktown and Mel Gibson's rather less accurate version, The Patriot, the monumental French war effort during the birth of America got forgotten, buried in the sand, and pissed on. France began providing arms and ammunition as early as 1776 (the war started in 1775). In early 1777, months before Saratoga, the French sent American colonists 25,000 uniforms and pairs of boots, hundreds of cannons, and thousands of muskets -France provided a whopping 90 percent of the rebels' gunpowder. "
Load More Replies...Americans were there, but so were all the other allies, and none of us could have done it without the French underground.
Healthcare Shouldn’t Be Free For Everyone
what a crock of sh1t , these dumb a55es need to think before they flapp their moronic lips
"The value of you is determined by how essential you are to society. The harder you are to replace, the more valuable you are". What is humanity coming to if there are actually people who believe this?
You know, this sort of thinking that some people are "more essential", it sounds familiar... Where have I heard that before? Oh right, in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s, just before...! Oh dear.
Except you can't get an abortion in some states because religious leaders have too much say in abortion policy..
and they're to poor to afford contraception to stop having children they can't afford...or government tell you you can't have/use contraception due to religious reasons...
Load More Replies...People. Are. Humans. What is so hard to understand? We all have the same value :)
Meanwhile there are states in the US that made abortion illegal, so this person needs to stfu lmao
Ok, so to pick up on their fourth paragraph, particularly those who have children but "face financial hardship later". How, EXACTLY, do you plan to differentiate between these unlucky families and everyone else? And, in all probability, the later financial hardship will be a hospital bill!
Interesting about who is replaceable. I recall we had a global pandemic where most grocery store workers were considered essential workers and many lawyers, doctors, and bankers were closed.
"If You Can't Take Care Of Yourself Than I Shouldn't Be Forced To Pay For Your Healthcare"
So there are just super healthy and super careless people in the USA? Kids or grannys never need to go to hospital? Shocking that a nurse who should no better says such rubbish...
It is a shame people can only talk about extremes, many people who do not abuse their bodies need urgent medical healthcare which is not available in the US unless you are astronomical salaries.
If you choose to smoke and develop a smoking related disease or illness, I don’t think you should have to pay MORE for your care. In the UK we all pay national insurance based on our monthly income. So it’s not based on your personal condition but purely on your wages. But maybe you shouldn’t be prioritised or be at the top of the waiting lists for treatment? Compared with people who develop the illness naturally or not from smoking
Hey guess what, getting to see a doctor regularly who can work with you on nutrition is helpful, but you can’t do that if you can’t pay for medical care. Also there are a lot of health issues that contribute to being overweight - PCOS for one.
Load More Replies...I struggled to finish reading all of these because the stupidity just made my brain hurt at this early hour. How about america introduce universal health care but have an opt out option for those who think it's a stupid idea and then charge them when they come running and ask to change their mind and opt in.
While this is a nice revenge strategy, I am not sure this would work... the system depends on as many people paying as possible. So, I think it must be mandatory.
Load More Replies...What I don't get is how these people don't understand that even if they do pay for others' healthcare, it will benefit them, too. If anyone could go to a doctor when first symptoms appear then a lot of expensive treatments could be avoided later. And from what I understand, even the US government does pay for those, if the patient cannot. It's the same way I'm happy to pay for education even though I don't have kids - but I do want the kids who will build our society in a few years to be smart.
It's spite, pure and simple. As long as "THEY" suffer or are doing worse, "I" win. I've tried, many times, to explain that yes your taxes will go up to pay for health care. BUT, you won't have money taken out of your check by insurance companies and you won't have to pay another 3000 out of pocket before your REAL insurance (which isn't great either, and is actively against you in most cases) to kick in. It's insane that people would rather go broke and lose everything than pay into a system that would help everyone. A buddy I used to work with said that the first thing he'd do if he learned he was really sick is GET A DIVORCE so his family didn't lose everything. That he even has to THINK like that is madness.
Load More Replies...Essential oils and stones you put up your hoo-ha (with accompanying scented candle). And genuinely considering drinking or injecting bleach to deal with a pandemic.
Load More Replies...From an economics perspective, there are advantages and disadvantages to both universal government healthcare and free market healthcare. The U.S. system manages to combine the disadvantages of both. At this point, it would be quite difficult to change the system without improving it.
Economically speaking the best thing to do would be for healthcare to be free. Your workforce are more efficient if they aren't sick and the money to pay for the healthcare comes from the same place ie the people who use it. I think that's what people fail to understand, instead of paying private insurance you pay it to the government. In the UK this is called 'National Insurance' and is deducted from wages along with your PAYE Tax. UK went through this change back in the 1940s. Change isn't always easy but it doesn't have to be as hard as they would have you believe..
Load More Replies...The fact that Bernie Sanders is considered "left" in the U.S just shows how clueless they are about the horrors of actual socialism (think Venezuela) or even worse, communism. I don't waste my time arguing about lef/right but a guy like Sanders just asks for the most basic things a first world country should provide for their citizens. The bare minimum.
I know my comment will be lost within this thread. But to fear having to go to hospital because of the enormous bill that you'll face just isn't right.
Medical person here. Let me explain: You need medical care to live. American medical care is excellent. It is not accessible or affordable. Thus, if we have "universal healthcare" funded by taxes, 1. you don't have to pay an HMO out of your paycheck and 2. the insurance pool is, say, 200 million people, which distributes risk far more than a private insurer and 3. hospitals won't have to charge $50 for an aspirin to make up fro the unpaid bills. Anyone see a downside to this? Please explain the downside to me. "Universal healthcare" is a "national insurance pool". It eliminates medical-debt bankruptcy and hardship, leaving our so-called capitalist system in better shape b/c we're all better able to afford groceries, homes, cars, bed sheets, etc., pick your item. And if you want to opt out? Hey, I don't drive, but my taxes still fund roads, and I'm not bitching about it.
What idiots. A comeback to all their arguments about healthcare workers not being paid if it's universal.... uhhhhhh the education system is provided by the government and you still have a choice if you wanna go to a private or public school... and your taxes pay teachers and your taxes also pay for roads to drive on and for your kids to get educated and provide infrastructure to your community..... do these people not realize that lmao honestly this is why i'm annoyed at being an american because theres legit so many idiots saying dumba** s*** like this smh
I struggled to finish reading all of these because the stupidity just made my brain hurt at this early hour. How about america introduce universal health care but have an opt out option for those who think it's a stupid idea and then charge them when they come running and ask to change their mind and opt in.
While this is a nice revenge strategy, I am not sure this would work... the system depends on as many people paying as possible. So, I think it must be mandatory.
Load More Replies...What I don't get is how these people don't understand that even if they do pay for others' healthcare, it will benefit them, too. If anyone could go to a doctor when first symptoms appear then a lot of expensive treatments could be avoided later. And from what I understand, even the US government does pay for those, if the patient cannot. It's the same way I'm happy to pay for education even though I don't have kids - but I do want the kids who will build our society in a few years to be smart.
It's spite, pure and simple. As long as "THEY" suffer or are doing worse, "I" win. I've tried, many times, to explain that yes your taxes will go up to pay for health care. BUT, you won't have money taken out of your check by insurance companies and you won't have to pay another 3000 out of pocket before your REAL insurance (which isn't great either, and is actively against you in most cases) to kick in. It's insane that people would rather go broke and lose everything than pay into a system that would help everyone. A buddy I used to work with said that the first thing he'd do if he learned he was really sick is GET A DIVORCE so his family didn't lose everything. That he even has to THINK like that is madness.
Load More Replies...Essential oils and stones you put up your hoo-ha (with accompanying scented candle). And genuinely considering drinking or injecting bleach to deal with a pandemic.
Load More Replies...From an economics perspective, there are advantages and disadvantages to both universal government healthcare and free market healthcare. The U.S. system manages to combine the disadvantages of both. At this point, it would be quite difficult to change the system without improving it.
Economically speaking the best thing to do would be for healthcare to be free. Your workforce are more efficient if they aren't sick and the money to pay for the healthcare comes from the same place ie the people who use it. I think that's what people fail to understand, instead of paying private insurance you pay it to the government. In the UK this is called 'National Insurance' and is deducted from wages along with your PAYE Tax. UK went through this change back in the 1940s. Change isn't always easy but it doesn't have to be as hard as they would have you believe..
Load More Replies...The fact that Bernie Sanders is considered "left" in the U.S just shows how clueless they are about the horrors of actual socialism (think Venezuela) or even worse, communism. I don't waste my time arguing about lef/right but a guy like Sanders just asks for the most basic things a first world country should provide for their citizens. The bare minimum.
I know my comment will be lost within this thread. But to fear having to go to hospital because of the enormous bill that you'll face just isn't right.
Medical person here. Let me explain: You need medical care to live. American medical care is excellent. It is not accessible or affordable. Thus, if we have "universal healthcare" funded by taxes, 1. you don't have to pay an HMO out of your paycheck and 2. the insurance pool is, say, 200 million people, which distributes risk far more than a private insurer and 3. hospitals won't have to charge $50 for an aspirin to make up fro the unpaid bills. Anyone see a downside to this? Please explain the downside to me. "Universal healthcare" is a "national insurance pool". It eliminates medical-debt bankruptcy and hardship, leaving our so-called capitalist system in better shape b/c we're all better able to afford groceries, homes, cars, bed sheets, etc., pick your item. And if you want to opt out? Hey, I don't drive, but my taxes still fund roads, and I'm not bitching about it.
What idiots. A comeback to all their arguments about healthcare workers not being paid if it's universal.... uhhhhhh the education system is provided by the government and you still have a choice if you wanna go to a private or public school... and your taxes pay teachers and your taxes also pay for roads to drive on and for your kids to get educated and provide infrastructure to your community..... do these people not realize that lmao honestly this is why i'm annoyed at being an american because theres legit so many idiots saying dumba** s*** like this smh
