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In pretty much any other nation on God’s green Earth, healthcare is a straightforward issue. However, in the United States, it’s a topic that divides, fractures, and polarizes the population into warring factions: those for access to free healthcare and those adamantly opposed to it.

Well, here at Bored Panda, we believe that access to free healthcare makes a lot of sense. Meanwhile, the current system is incredibly bureaucratic and wasteful according to the latest stats and ought to be improved. How bad is the situation? Well, around 760 billion dollars go to absolute waste each year. However, some Americans are stubbornly against free healthcare and overhauling the system.

Why? While there are some serious arguments here and there, we decided that it’s time that we took a gander at the most ridiculous reasons that people have said ‘no’ to something that ought to be a basic part of life. Scroll on down and upvote your fave pics. Be sure to let us know what you think the pros and cons of free healthcare are, dear Pandas—we always value a well-argued opinion.

Dr. Andrew Carroll from Arizona, has some experience dealing with healthcare insurance companies and fighting for what's best for his patients. Bored Panda previously wrote about how he broke down in tears when a company refused to provide one of his patients a CT chest scan and contacted him again to go even further in-depth about the system in the US.

#1

Apparently Canada’s Healthcare Is Bad

Apparently Canada’s Healthcare Is Bad

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Sum Guy
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Americans act like they don't have wait times for specialised care

Lauren Ringel
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My bloodwork showed hypothyroidism on January 6, 2021. My doctor and I found the earliest appointment with an endocrinologist is May 26, 2021. That's 79 days. I'll be at that appointment come hell or high water.

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Ozacoter
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Funny. I know a lot of women from USA with endometriosis and most need to wait months to even get an specialist.

Mewton’s Third Paw
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have a similar condition and I don’t have to wait months. Maybe a couple of weeks. My insurance is kind of trash too but the waiting times aren’t unreasonable. If I had better insurance then I’d happily wait longer though. It’s too expensive.

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Kat Hoth
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have come to understand the only thing the majority of Americans are number 1 at is believing they are number 1.

David Beaulieu
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can we just get to the actual truth of the issue? All of these comments by 'Americans' are just things they parrot from the liars they see on TV. There is no universal health care in the USA because of the trillion dollar insurance corporations who pay/donate/lobby the politicians to be against it. These people pray at the alter of capitalism. Our laws are made by people who's livelihoods are paid for by corporations. Gun corporations, insurance corporations, drug corporations, Wall Street corporations. All of these businesses are out for profit and power. None of them cares one bit about the welfare of people or their country. All of the anti-socialist, live-free-or-die, right to bare arms, flag waving, Jesus stuff is just the lies they tell the public to get them to support their agenda of $ above all else.

Nica Van
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote upvote....

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StrawberryParfait
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a Canadian, I can tell you that yes, there are wait times for elective procedures. Some of our provinces are very short on doctors, and it can be impossible to find a family physician. Walk-in clinics and online medical services fill that gap. But when we do require medical care, we are provided excellent care, and it does not cause us to go bankrupt. We don't have to choose to pay rent or go to the hospital.

joansrant@yahoo.ca
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4 years ago

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How many Canadians go bankrupt looking for care they cannot receive (yet have paid for) in Canada? Other Canadians would love to hear your answer.

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Stephen Lyford
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, Obamacare is NOT a total failure. It's still worked fairly well and that's even AFTER endless attempts (some successful) by Republicans to sabotage and break it.

Seabeast
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4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The "long wait times" were an out and out lie by a man named Wendall Potter, who was working for one of the HMOs at the time. He later recanted and now runs Medicare For All. __ http://wendellpotter.com/tag/medicare-for-all/

CP
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People don't realize not having access to health care because of bad or lack of insurance is worse that waiting.

Lauren Caswell
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Needed 6 emergency surgeries, then intensive care and rehab: free. Needed an unnatural tether pulling on my spinal cord, paralyzing me, removed. Was done straight away by world class neurosurgeon, and that's cutting something from the actual nerves of the spinal column (invasive dangerous and superspecialised)...all free. Hey, recently I hurt a ligament in my hand, had to wait just one week then I was in hand physio and have a custom made wrist brace. All free. If I lived in a country without universal healthcare: paralysed at 6, dead at 30. So yeah I'm all for free healthcare lol. Well we all pay for it in our taxes, but tbh our tax rates aren't that bad here anyway, all things considered

Vicky Zar
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait for Operation to see if I have cervix cancer: 2 weeks. Wait for Colonoscopie to see if I have colon cancer: 3 weeks, because of covid. Wait to go to a Sleep laboratory: 3 days. Got a breathing mask and machine right at the sleep laboratory. Payment out of pocket for everything: 0€

WildHoneyPie
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4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Boy this one got me. Here in the good old US we started trying to get my husband on a sleep machine in January of 2019. Every single Dr. emphasized the urgency of being able to breathe at night (duh!). In December of 2019 he finally got his machine!

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    #2

    It's A Charity Handout

    It's A Charity Handout

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    Something
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And if it is charity? Isn't that a virtue?

    Paul Davis
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America is stuffed full of "Christians" who, if faced with Jesus and his 13 Apostles on their front lawn, would gun them down with their AR-15 and tweet the pictures proudly.

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    Vicky Zar
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US has car insurance too, don't they? This is hypocrisy

    Marcellus the Third
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only discussion is whether the money should pass through the state or through business hands.

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    Id row
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "911? Someone is breaking in! Help!" "Ok, ma'am. What insurance will you be using today?" "What? Insurance? I don't have any!" "Ok, ma'am. I'm going to have to terminate this call until you can provide payment for service. Have a good day." This is exactly what our healthcare system does, yet our population does not understand that we have many socialized services already. Take away their access to police, fire, school, and *social* services and they'd be screaming it's a basic right. Politicians are too greedy and we're too stupid to challenge it.

    deanna woods
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This might be a good way to get us Americans universal healthcare.

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    Kristof De Smet
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Like you can choose not to become sick?

    Mtownmick
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You should get health insurance the way God intended you to - from your employer, unless they don't want to or manipulate your hours so you are not full time or they are real small and can charge enough for their product to pay their employees properly. The employer only does it because their is a law if they want to give it to executives they have to give it to all employees. We should remove that because we don't want no stinking handouts. Oh wait, we are paying for it with our taxes? Never mind.

    Kelly Hartle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People don't seem to understand that any program provided by the government through tax dollars is, by definition, socialist--public roads, public schools, police, firefighters, even courts. Do they really want to get rid of any of those?

    WillemPenn
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually how it used to be. In Philadelphia if you didn't have a medallion by your front door, you didn't get fire protection. There were a bunch of different providers. It was a mess. "Ooops, the neighbor accidentally set their Christmas tree on fire, which lit your house on fire, but your house has different insurance so we had to let it burn to the ground." fire-marks.jpg fire-marks.jpg

    Tami
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Healthcare should be a basic right; however, people need to take some responsibility for their health too. Feeling you're entitled to have free healthcare and also trashing your body is not how a responsible citizen behaves. Individual responsibility is required for social systems to work.

    Patricia Sloan
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the best tweet ever! Said no other intelligent person ever!

    blankman
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And don't bother buying insurance. I don't want my premiums used to pay for rebuilding your housel

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    #3

    Won't People Just Hurt Themselves On Purpose?

    Won't People Just Hurt Themselves On Purpose?

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    Sum Guy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I like making fun of Americans... it's the least I can do for all the people they have killed in other countries

    leia's emotional cupcake
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    but not all Americans are bad. Some are, yes. But not all.

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    Max
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is the less sinister version of people who claim the only reason they're not raping and murdering is because God says not to.

    Paul Davis
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wait ... Americans don't jump off s**t like idiots? Since when?

    Foxxy (The Original)
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Universal healthcare isn't free coz it gets taken out of your taxes. But it still works out cheaper and it also means everyone can afford to get medical attention. In Aus we pay 2% of our taxes for Medicare once you reach a certain pay threshold.

    Ivana
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would counter that America's deep love of fast food, alcohol, and smoking are all proof that health care costs do not deter us from making bad health decisions.

    Botox
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, we do not directly pay healthcare bills, it's going from taxes. Even if you do not work and never worked it's for free. And Yes, there are ppl who like to visit doctors without particular reason or call emergency with hangover. It's an issue which is hard to solve (((

    Rodrigo Agostinho
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in portugal we have sugar tax, so obese people who over eat have to pay more to finance the health care. you want jump s**t and be an idiot with you health pay more

    Alyssa
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This one is just hilarious!! 😂

    Adrian Ceroni
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This one is interesting because it goes toward the discussion of healthy living and extreme sports, which I will NOT be starting.

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    According to Dr. Carroll, there are clear financial incentives for the companies that provide healthcare insurance to keep the system, with its high administrative costs, as it is. "It will be very difficult to reduce the administrative costs without overhauling the payment system altogether," he explained that even small step-by-step changes would be hard to push through.

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    Dr. Carroll was very candid about healthcare insurance providers and how it's not in their interest to do what's best for American patients. "Unfortunately, these payers tend not to have altruistic intentions towards their members. They cater to the advantage of the employers paying for the benefits, who want to try and spend the least amount of money they can."

    He continued: "Employers that pay for benefits will need to demand more of the companies providing the benefits or patients will need to file class-action lawsuits to demand that benefits due to them are not unduly restricted, as they are today."

    #4

    An Ambulance Is Not A Taxi

    An Ambulance Is Not A Taxi

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    Coleonema
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was dumbfounded when I learnt that you guys pay for an ambulance

    Something
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is technically true. An ambulance is not a taxi to the hospital. However, that has nothing to do with the issue.

    WilvanderHeijden
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What in the god damn f*ck is it then? A weewoo-wagon with flashing lights that drives you around just for fun?

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    Anna Rush
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Literally this is the only thing an ambulance is 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️ what is wrong with people.

    StrawberryParfait
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Um, a "taxi" that comes equipped with paramedics who can keep you from bleeding out and keep you breathing, amongst other kind of important things.

    Jessica Shookhoff
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No, it isn't a taxi to the hospital. You take a taxi to the hospital when you are not in imminent danger of serious harm or death. You take an ambulance to the hospital when you start going into labor at 29 weeks... but I guess I should just have waited for a taxi???

    JuJu
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Germany, we call the ambulance for other people if we witness an accident or someone next to us faints or whatever emergency. And nobody faces giant bills afterwards.

    Kerryn Thomas
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had an ambulance ride in South Africa about 3 years ago. It was a 3 hour journey. Yes, I had out of pocket expense, but is was the equivalent of about $300. Not the end of the world. Overnight hospital stay that included a specialist, a CT scan and general anaesthesia- not a cent. Yes, we have health insurance, but everything is at least covered

    Lunar Bicycle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey, I’m headed that way, too. Want to split an ambulance?

    Helena Houzarová
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ambulance is more like a taxi WITH a hospital, which is another reason why you should ride one when in medical distress. Sure the paramedics can't do everything, but they can do some first-line stuff, including proper CPR and finding out what kind of care you need.

    Leo Domitrix
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Taxi driver does not have training to keep me alive en route to hospital.

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    #5

    When You’d Rather Go Bankrupt Than Go To Another Country For Better Healthcare. Because America

    When You’d Rather Go Bankrupt Than Go To Another Country For Better Healthcare. Because America

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    Hehehehehehehehe (ve/ver)
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m moving to Canada first chance I get. It’s a better place.

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    Bobert Robertson
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd rather be where I am, in Canada, than to be debt free in the USA

    WilvanderHeijden
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To be honest, it IS terrible to live debt free in a country where worries like medical bills, mass shootings, the NRA and racist cops are nearly 5000 miles away.

    KT
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LOL what a stupid thing to say. I was only 32 when it was discovered I had a MASSIVE tumor on my uterus that had also partially necrotized. Cost of surgery $0. How fast did I get the surgery? Immediately after papers were signed. Canada is awesome.

    Dodo
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yikes, not sure I'd be crowing about homeless healthcare in Canada. Most homeless people in Canada are mentally ill, because the mental health services are so awful they either burden their family or live on the streets. And you still pay for meds.

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    homeless people get seen at hospitals. Hospitals can't turn away people.

    Jen Cook
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    American middle and lower income pays more tax than Canadians, on top of that they pay out of pocket for insurance, on top of that the US gov't spends more per capita subsidizing health care that Canada pays to provide health care for the entire country. It would actually be cheaper for Americans to have universal than what they have now. The "we can't afford it is a lie, America can't afford not to. Canadians also live longer.

    Tee Witt
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Is that the medical care or the food though?

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    Iva Kazalova
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can’t believe Canada borders with America, the contrast is so shocking!

    Barbara Vandewalle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Canadian health care refused to give my cousin a shot to treat her breast cancer. REFUSED because she was in test group for a particular study. Refused to give her the shot and take a blood draw. 10 minutes, at no cost to the doctor. The clinic shipped the treatment and ran the blood test. Not the doctor. She spent 6 months parked in the Connecticut clinic parking lot because of the great socialized medical system. YEA great socialized medicine.

    Laurasia Lepine
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many americans genuinely believe that everywhere else in the world is like a third-world country. Like, they believe luxuries only exist here.

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    #6

    What's Next, Free Medicine?

    What's Next, Free Medicine?

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    Anaïs Ballestra
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I live in France. My dad had chimio for few time before he dead. We did a million different exam and he had access to very very good healthcare including supportive like psychotherapist or massage therapist. We never paid a thing. We didn't even paid for the parking...

    Anne
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    to be fair.. I believe Bernie was one of the politicians supporting universal healthcare, wasn't he?

    SykesDaMan
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! I said that and was downvoted... for some reason...

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    El Dee
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But...both of them are?? Are Americans PAYING for the vaccine, SERIOUSLY??

    Fieke Engelen
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    coronavirus vaccine is totally free in Australia

    Oleander
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you fell face first into the point... and still missed it

    Kelly Hartle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's the idea. I have epilepsy, diabetes, high blood pressure, and am a colon cancer survivor. Before Obamacare I didn't qualify for health insurance, and if my husband didn't have insurance, I wouldn't have been able to afford the treatments I need (and have needed in the past) to live. We maxed out our $20,000 annual limit after just my first chemo treatment, and there were 15.

    Jessica Otto
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let me just step up on my soapbox for a moment. Years ago my aunt was on chemo for a second time, and as soon as I found out what the price of her additional meds WITH insurance was I about passed out. If I remember correctly we were talking almost $10,000 for a THREE WEEK supply of her meds, because she had a week off so she could recover a bit.

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    The US spends huge amounts of money on healthcare, but a whopping quarter of the costs are administrative. This means that customers pay a lot, but far from every penny actually ends up helping them directly. There’s a lot of waste in the system and a lot of fat that needs to be cut.

    What’s more, hospitals in the US are consolidated. This means less competition, meaning there’s little to no motivation to actually ensure lower prices for patients. If somebody can charge more and the customer has no other choice, why lower the price? (Well, apart from empathy, I mean?)

    #7

    It's Cr**py In Canada

    It's Cr**py In Canada

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    Foxxy (The Original)
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US actually has worse healthcare than the UK, Canada and Australia. UK is ranked 18, Canada is ranked 30, Australia is ranked 32 and the US is ranked 37. This is according to WHO.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They certainly did. Just an example of dumb Americans being fücking prudes when people are gunned down left and right here. It’s disgusting.

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    StrawberryParfait
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Canada is America's hat, really? Well, I guess that makes America Canada's soiled underpants.

    Yort
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank goodness they censored crappy, that’s the dirtiest word of them all.

    Coleonema
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just think of Maple syrup

    Patricia Sloan
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    From a Canadian who actually had surgery in Michigan, I can attest, the $26000 cost was paid by my free provincial insurance

    DKS 001
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would pick Canada. I"m tired of being in this shithole American country with all the mass shootings, rising food costs, rising medical costs, rising costs of everything - and no raise in pay

    EQXL
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How is it that people from the US truelly think that free healthcare is chappy healthcare? And if it were so that chappy healthcare is better than no healthcare? Yes no healthcare because avoiding healthcare because of the bills equals no healthcare.

    M Kate McCulloch
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...and for some reason, beaver pelts - which is kinda gross.

    M Kate McCulloch
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hockey. Skiing. And film production in BC and Vancouver.

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    #8

    But We Can Pick Whatever Doctor Or Healthcare Insurer We Want! We Win

    But We Can Pick Whatever Doctor Or Healthcare Insurer We Want! We Win

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    Sum Guy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is what happens when the media and politicians lie to the people... plus the people are too dumb to actually pay attention to other countries

    kathoco
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Absolutely, I live in France and guess, what ? I chose my own primary care physician.

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    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Conservative people in US really seem to believe that any other country is a terrible dictature where people have 0 freedom.

    BlahBlahBlackSheepah
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ha! Pick your doctor? Ok rockefeller. Most of us go with the only guy who had an appointment and will take out s**t insurance. Or you can pay out of pocket to see one which use cheaper and gives you an actual choice

    Vicky Zar
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What are you talking about? I get to choose my Doctors. I choose my family doctor, my dentist, my paediatrician, my dermatologist.... anyone really. Even surgeons by choosing the hospital I go to. And I am not even insured by myself. I am a housewife right now. My husband works, so my children and I are automatically insured through his insurance.

    Random Anon
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No you don't. You only get to pick the one your insurance company says you can afford

    Honu
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep. And, if like most Americans, you get a plan through your employer, they decide which insurance company you have.

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    TrickQuestion
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "You get to pick your insurance" is like picking which gets to suck your blood- Leeches or Ticks.

    CP
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most Americans don't get to pick their health care provider. The company they work for does. Plus, you better hope the doctor you want is in network.

    Mtownmick
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually we can pick from the insurer our employer tells us and we can go to doctor's under the covered insurance so kinda but kinda not.

    Ole Peder Amrud Hagen
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Norway we can pick our own GP online, with a maximum 2 changes per year. There are lists of doctors with a practice near you, and you can see how many patients they have. No GP is allowed more than 2500 patients, but the average is around 1100. Also, we hardly pay anything to see them, and there's a maximum deductable of 2460 NOK a year. This includes consultations with your GP, physiotherapists, and psychologists, X-rays, lab tests, prescription drugs, as well as some dental procedures and rehabilitation. If you're in need of a referral to a specialist your GP can choose one for you, or you can choose your own. As long as the specialist has an agreement with the local health authorities, as most do, the fees are still low and count towards your deductible.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “We win” shows the junior high mentality all conservatives are infected with.

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    #9

    Free Refills On Burns

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    troufaki13
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Funny thing is, we do have free water at restaurants in Europe!

    Foxxy (The Original)
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you ever drink free water at restaurants and get universal healthcare to flex on everywhere else that doesn't have both.

    elStiJneriNO
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why would you go on a restaurant and pay for food but only drink the free water?

    Marcellus the Third
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because profit margin often very obviously high on drinks (=zero skills) vs food. Obviously not in a KFC, but you go to a decent restaurant you get food you cannot cook yourself with a drink you can get in any supermarket. In some countries food was/is a loss leader in a restaurant, so they'd not allow free water.

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    hobbitly
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dont mind paying for my beverage (even if the beverage is water) if that makes it so the staff gets a decent pay.

    Petra Schaap
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First time I took a shower in Chicago i ended up with heavy rash on my skin, so no way im drinking that crap. Meanwhile in countries like Sweden the tapwater tastes like expensive mineral water.

    DG
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm from Portugal and the tap water in great!

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    Philippe Jespersen
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why would I go to a retaurant to drink tap water? We have money in Europe. We buy beer, drinks, soft drinks, etc.

    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Hahaha I got a FREE refill with my $10 meal! Well, $11 after tax. Well, $16 after tip. Hahaha free refill I win!"

    Jayne Kyra
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We have free tap water of great quality in Slovakia in restaurants, bars, pubs, anywhere really.

    Haunting Spirit
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even better than US: The drinking water in our country, the Netherlands, is from a premium quality.

    Sum Guy
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The other problem they have is thinking bottled water is expensive in other countries.

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    Despite often boasting about being the bastion of freedom and being the best, the US is woefully struggling along with its healthcare system. The World Health Organization ranks it as the 37th best in the entire world. It doesn’t matter how many amazing doctors and how much cutting-edge tech you have if you can’t help people due to the system in place.

    The US spends more of its national income on healthcare than other developed OECD countries and spends more per person than other rich nations. However, this level of spending doesn’t translate to better care.

    #10

    "There Healthcare Is So Good That They Rely On The Us For Actual Medicines Lol"

    "There Healthcare Is So Good That They Rely On The Us For Actual Medicines Lol"

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    Jonathan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're correct. The AstraZeneca vaccine was created in the University of Oxford. With a bottle plant in Wrexham. The pfizer vaccine was created in Belgium.

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    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OK, let's be clear. Vaccines are a GLOBAL HEALTH PRIORITY.

    Marianne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US do not use the AstraZeneca vaccine. They use Biontech/Pfizer. Which is a vaccine developed in Germany. Pfizer bought into the project so that they could secure enough doses for the US people. (Which Germany failed to do sadly, so now we are way behind although our vaccine was the first on the market.)

    Leeh Colorada
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In better words, they took german vaccine to usa

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    Ronny Hermans
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And now there is Jonsson&Jonsson - another european firm - lol

    Night Owl
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oxford/AstraZeneca = UK and Sweden, BioNTech/Pfizer = Germany and US, Moderna = US, Janssen-Cilag (J&J) = US, Sputnik V = Russia, Sinovac/CoronaVac = China, ...

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don’t insult Muppets.

    Dahamada Jamawas
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1. It's AstraZeneca and technically it is Cambridge, but it is a Swedish-British company and still all science and research is done in Sweden. 2. The other popular Vaccine from Pfizer (Corminaty) is produced by Pfizer (and Fosun), but developed and licensed by BioNTech. A German company. 3. The only notable American vaccine comes from Moderna. And suprise. Nearly the whole production of Moderna is used within the USA and isn't exported.

    EQXL
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They also claimed Janssen en Janssen (renamed Johnsen and Johnson) which is a company with it's headquarters in Belgium, but the vaccine is made in their facility in the Netherlands.

    Vicky Z
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And sure if the pandemic wasn't affecting the economy, Americans would need to pay for the vaccine also!

    Hans_not_the_real_Hans
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The Pfizer vaccine is a german (Biontech), ok Moderna is US I think.

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    #11

    Why Use It If You Can't Afford It?

    Why Use It If You Can't Afford It?

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    Anaïs Ballestra
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually thanks to him we spot the big difference here between America and other country with free healthcare: In America you have to think if you can afford it BEFORE. That's crazy....

    Lauren Caswell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No one should ever have to consider money at such a time, the idea of it seems so alien to me

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    Vicky Z
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This literally means: if you know that you can't afford to live why you don't just die??

    third molar
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The effectiveness of the brainwashing by capitalism is so effective its worse than radicalized terrorism

    Liz Gee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I did have to wait for 9 months to get my knee replacement.. But it didn't cost anything except some drugs after. How long would it have taken you to save the money for the surgery?? $75000-$100000 . Years??? We are very lucky here in Canada...

    Vladimíra Matejová
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in slovakia you also wait for such surgeries.although it is unpleasant, a knee is not a vital organ. however, if you needed a life saving surgery you would get it immediately. and for free of course

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    Samantha Hurrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because maybe they actually want to make it to the hospital, and get treatment on the way. Especially if it's something that could kill them.

    Natalia Shoemark
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We pay for ambulances in NZ, but it's $98. And our Healthcare is funded. I can't believe what they pay in America, that sucks!

    Vladimíra Matejová
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    you pay for ambulance in Slovakia only if you caused yourself the harm while heavily drunk. and only if the doctors put it to the papers

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    M Kate McCulloch
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    .... because otherwise I would die???

    The Upset Kitten
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I logged in just to make something perfectly clear: Not all 'free healthcare' in Canada is great. Im Canadian. I live in an Eastern province. 10 hour hospital wait, howling in pain without being seen by a doctor or nurses. Went home in the end. Ambulance ride was around $200. Also, if you're a Canadian from one province and you travel to another--you're not covered. You gotta pay some fees. You're only covered in your own province.

    The Upset Kitten
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I logged in just to make something perfectly clear: Not all 'free healthcare' in Canada is great. Im Canadian. I live in an Eastern province. 10 hour hospital wait, howling in pain without being seen by a doctor or nurses. Went home in the end. Ambulance ride was around $200.

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unfortunately, the one who's sick or injured isn't usually the one who calls. I have epilepsy, and even though nothing's required unless the seizure lasts more than 5 minutes or status epilepticus kicks in, people always panic.

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    #12

    Didn't Ask To Be Blind

    Didn't Ask To Be Blind

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    Foxxy (The Original)
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even in Australia with universal healthcare you still have to pay for glasses or contacts. My glasses cost $39 and my daughter got 2 pairs for $189. The eye test at optometrists is free though.

    Jonathan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the Uk if you are on benefits or low paying job you get a lot of help towards glasses.

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    Kryogen
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In France, If you're in a good company (with a good "mutual"), you can have it for free. My glasses cost 250 €, and my credit card stayed in my wallet.

    Anna Repp
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thou speaketh truth! All healthcare should be free!

    Laura Mende (Human)
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In Germany it's free for old people I think. Not sure, have to ask my Grandma first...

    Jen Cook
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Glasses aren't covered generally in Canada, if you are extreme low income they can be but many have optical, dental and prescription coverage through work and your employer pays for the insurance. Mine also gives me a physical activity refund each year, I provide my receipt for a bike or my soccer fee and they give it back to me up to $400 a year. They do this because they've done the math and that $400 saves them sick days and all the expenses associated with an employee with medical issues that stem from obesity.

    Barbara Vandewalle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Free health care. who pays for the treatments?

    Mewton’s Third Paw
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They are free if you’re poor enough to have Medicaid.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In my state, that is only true for children and people who have medical diagnoses causing severe sight degeneration. What I hate is the 2 pair for whatever deal, because I need a stronger prescription. They always end up saying that doesn't apply to me. I plan to spend $100 for 2 pair and come out paying $200 for one pair! If I were to want them at all thin, it would be much more.

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    Where you live in the US and what type of insurance coverage you have (private vs. public) affect your wait times, too. So you can expect to wait in line to see a doctor even if you think you’re paying top-dollar prices for top-dollar coverage. However, 66 percent of all Americans are afraid that they won’t be able to afford medical care in 2021.

    In a couple of earlier interviews, Bored Panda spoke about US healthcare with Tumblr user Avilocirapter (who was paying for a top-tier insurance plan), as well as Dr. Carroll from Arizona (who burst into tears when an insurance company “denied a CT Chest on a young woman with post-Covid syndrome”).

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    #13

    "No, In France, It Costs A Lifetime And A Country Of Taxes." On A Discussion About Ingame Healthcare Costs In Stardew Valley

    "No, In France, It Costs A Lifetime And A Country Of Taxes." On A Discussion About Ingame Healthcare Costs In Stardew Valley

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    C.S. E.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In addition, let's have a look at how much we spend on insurance and STILL will likely go bankrupt if cancer pops up.

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’ve saved a lot of money by just not going to the doctor. Sure I’ve had heart palpitations, but it’s cheaper to just die.

    Fieke Engelen
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is the saddest thing I have read here tonight

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    Lunar Bicycle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    On our $750/month insurance plan in the US, a physical costs me $325. If I’d had no insurance, they would have charged me $150. That’s like saying that you can go to Disneyland for a $100, but if you pay a monthly membership fee, you can go for $200.

    BluEyedSeoulite
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometimes it's worthwhile to just ask for the out of pocket price and bypass insurance. They will let you do it. Still makes no sense except to milk money out of insurance companies, who in turn milk their customers.

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    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the other "benefits" of the US health care system is that the Health consumption expenditures per capita are twice as high as those in countries with universal health care. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-spendingcomparison_recent-years_average-annual-growth-rate-in-health-consumption-expenditures-per-capita

    M Kate McCulloch
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We pay medicare/medicaide fees every month out of our paychecks here in the US, but we can't use it until we are retired (and there is still a fee) or disabled (and there is still a fee) or homeless (and yes! there is SILL a fee!). I bet a lot of people not in HR or Payroll didn't really understand that we are already paying for healthcare, monthly, through payroll deductions, but most of us cannot use it...

    Jen Cook
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I benefit from those in my community being healthy an happy, even if I don't personally use the medical services my fellow Canadians do, I benefit. How do people not see that?

    Samantha Hurrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whilst the NHS may refuse the odd treatment (It's usually experimental I believe), the vast majority of the time, you'll get anything you need. We don't have to worry about it bankrupting us whilst insurance companies milk us for all we're worth and refuse to cover costs we need.

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We end up paying about the same amount in taxes, but instead ours goes to bloated military contracts and tax cuts for people and corporations that can afford to pay them.

    Mike Rodrick
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not positive but I believe Cuba has national health care.

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    #14

    Lmao What Type Of Healthcare Does Iran Have? They Still Use Voodoo So They Should Shut The Hell Up

    Lmao What Type Of Healthcare Does Iran Have? They Still Use Voodoo So They Should Shut The Hell Up

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    Ami Temi
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, it probably was Fox News for all the rubbish and lies and told by someone as Tucker Carlson, I'm willing to bet.

    Mewton’s Third Paw
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Conservatives just hate us (Iranians) and think everything in Iran is just some war torn desert with screaming mullahs or something. They make this shït up in their ugly asś heads and just run with it, assuming it to be true. And they wonder why Iranians say Marg Bar Amrika.

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    Mewton’s Third Paw
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Iran has healthcare, it’s universal and the basic parts are free. The special and surprising thing about Iran is that women’s healthcare is very extensive there, birth control is free, and many developments in endometriosis and such are developed there. Voodoo has nothing to even do with Iran which is a mostly Muslim country. As far as I know, Voodoo is like a Haitian thing.

    Night Owl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Thank you for teaching me something new that I had no idea about and until a few seconds ago never even thought or wondered about

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    Mark Lockett
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If all you know of the world is what Tucker Carlson tells you, then it's no wonder that you know nothing of worth.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tucker Carlson: Does Iran use voodoo in healthcare? Why do the Dem want you to pay for it? And is that why your dog died when you were 8 years old?

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don’t think Iran has ever used voodoo, that’s more of a Caribbean thing isn’t it? I mean not that everyone in the Caribbean uses voodoo. Just that I think it originated there? I’m totally wrong, aren’t I.

    Eric Lafleur
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually, Voodoo is a Haiti thing and for those who believe, having a spell thrown on you is terrifying.

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    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Breitbart and Info Wars are also contenders in the "Spreading the most lies" contest.

    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Basic healthcare is free in Iran..

    M Kate McCulloch
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Voodoo. Really/// ugh the abundance of ignorance should be astonishing but it's not. It's appalling...

    Leeh Colorada
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If some country used voodoo like in the movies, I don't think us presidents would last for too long alive

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know a few doctors in the U.S. that I'd trust less than a guy in a loincloth with a rattle.

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    #15

    "Has Monumentally Contributed More To Mankind Than All Those Noted Combined"

    "Has Monumentally Contributed More To Mankind Than All Those Noted Combined"

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    Pervinca
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    History is just an opinion so. Good to know

    Marcellus the Third
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You'll find Americans invented all the other countries.

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    troufaki13
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US contributed to mankind more than all those combined??? OK...

    JennyLaRue
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh it pains me how little some Americans know about the rest of the world!

    JuJu
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    But it's the land of the free and the home of the brave ;)

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    Coleonema
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think all of Europe might've contributed slightly more to history

    Vicky Zar
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am curious what that person thinks the US has contributed

    elStiJneriNO
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    TURKEY and GERMANY are there. together they contributed the Döner kebab. HOW DID YOU BEAT THAT USA? HOW?

    jimmy pop
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You go to Hungary and get some goulash ... then again, still not the US.

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    Amy Pattie
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Um excuse me, the UK gave you the English language, and we the Australians gave you Hugh Jackman.

    LOttawa
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And in response to Hugh Jackman, Canada gave Ryan Reynolds, and tadaaah both our countries created have a great duo.

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    Nadine
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spanish resident over here. Universal healthcare is GREAT!

    Aušrinė Kuzaitė
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Americans are really fuckinh delusional wtf :D

    The Cute Cat
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please add-up Indonesia in the list.. I know we still perfecting the system, but the millions who need it the most already get free-healthcare

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    Avilociraptor explained that, in their opinion, the private insurance model destroyed the doctor-patient relationship and reduced the autonomy that both patients and providers had. “Nurses are overworked and underpaid, and yet we demonize them when they strike to provide safer conditions for themselves and their patients.”

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    The solution? According to Avilociraptor, Americans have to “regularly write” to their government representatives and demand change.

    #16

    "(Us) Healthcare & Medical Infrastructure Is Truly World Class & We Are Much Better Prepared"

    "(Us) Healthcare & Medical Infrastructure Is Truly World Class & We Are Much Better Prepared"

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    Helen Haley
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm truly stunned by the level of deliberate ignorance and self delusion displayed by these people.

    Anne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think these are the people that have insurance and enough money to cover any extras...

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    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Doesn't America have a surprisingly high maternal death rate for childbirth?

    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    January 25, 2020. This guy was basically saying "America passed with flying colors" before it was even put to the test. I hope people are reposting this guy's own tweet to him at least once a week.

    The Cute Cat
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Except the mortality rate of USA is among the highest in the world.. Far from what China have achieved..

    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Despite this the US had MUCH worse outcomes than China and much of the far east..

    Phendrena
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Before it even became recognised as a global pandemic, China took massive steps to curtail the spread of the virus. Closing borders and enforcing lockdowns. You can look at the overall death toll and go, oooooh China had it bad - sure sure, but remember they were, as far as we know, ground zero and the population is roughly 1.5 BILLION compared to the USA population of 350 MILLION. Bit of a difference there. But, as a death v population percentage then, well, hahaha, lolzz @ 'murica.

    Ian MacFarlane
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Are you prepared for the 500,000+ deaths we have already had? Or the 750,000+ we are likely to reach within the current year? Are you completely oblivious to what is happening throughout the world?

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    World class isn't the same as affordable. You can have the best technology in the world, but it's meaningless if you can't afford to use it.

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    #17

    "Being Poor Is A Choice If Everyone Worked We Wouldn't Even Need 'Free' Healthcare"

    "Being Poor Is A Choice If Everyone Worked We Wouldn't Even Need 'Free' Healthcare"

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    how fckd in the head do you need to be to think that is true ?

    Vicky Zar
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If being poor were a choice, everyone would be rich

    Adam C
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Come on...really? Being poor is a choice?

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being poor is a choice... No. Being an a**hole is, yes.

    Ozacoter
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a person that is too ill to work and already struggling to pay doctors in Europe (and wouldn’t be able in USA) I hope that this person becomes ill and unemployed.

    Something
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even middle class and moderately wealthy people have difficulty affording healthcare. The difference is that they are not completely devastated by the expense.

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell that to the countries who have unemployment rates worse than the great depression.

    Nic Dudley
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have a "professional" job in an office and I am still considered lower income. A medical emergency despite paying for the best medical insurance my company offers will put me in financial ruin...so....

    Alexis Draskinis
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently hes never worked part time jobs. Or jobs that could/should be full time but are purposely not so they dont have to offer benefits.

    Mariiii
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    how did they get to this conclusion??

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    #18

    2nd Amendment vs. Universal Healthcare

    2nd Amendment vs. Universal Healthcare

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    N G
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Our "mighty army" was 40,000 men. Facing 400,000 FRENCH men who came to your side. I will have a tea. And if I get a burn from it at least my healthcare is taken care of and won't hurt my credit rating, or bank balance.

    Honu
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's amazing how many of my fellow Americans don't seem to realize that we were losing the Revolutionary War and would've almost certainly lost in the end had the French not stepped in.

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    Mark Lockett
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually your farmers didn't "beat the mighty British army" read some history and you will find that you were losing before you got help from the French and, to a lesser extent, from the Spanish and Dutch. So your farmers relied on other European powers to help you win. Don't they teach history in U.S. schools? Not that I oppose the idea of independence and democracy, just ignorance and stupidity.

    Leo Domitrix
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, we are taught that. "Lafayette is here!" and so on. It was convenient for other nations to erode British power, so they helped the rebellious colonies ------- now the US ------ and I was taught that around age 12. Our Continental Army was recruits and volunteers, but they were not just farmers, and it's sad that anyone believes the fortune-cookie version of their nation's history. (Looking at any other nation, btw. We're all guilty to some extent.)

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    Cara Kelly
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And its crippling your country! Gun crime went down because you were told to stay home. You clutch onto the most paltry constitution that a long dead generation chose for you because what? 'Merica bang bang.

    Lunar Bicycle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Almost 250 years ago, citizens of the British Empire seceded, the most oft-quoted reason being taxation without representation. Eight years later, the Constitution was written; the 2nd Amendment, written for muzzle-loading muskets, came four years after that. In the centuries since, it seems like the biggest takeaways are that the British think that life is better with a health system that is available to everyone, and the Americans think that life is better when your guns are more portable and shoot armor piercing bullets really fast.

    Ray Martin
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think perhaps the thing I find most depressing about Americans as a collective, is that they have almost no idea about their own country and history, and instead believe a bunch of ridiculous fictions.

    Phendrena
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually, the american uprising would've been put down if certain other countries hadn't have helped, looking at you France.

    JennyLaRue
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The person is so keen to get a dig in about gaining independence that they completely miss the point of the post.

    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Getting any illness or injury threat level: ZERO, stop being poor!....Being invaded by the British threat level: IMMINENT! Every American must prepare for war immediately!!!

    Honu
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Most of the die hard 2nd Amendment defenders are not so much talking about foreign invasion, but the right to rebel against the government. Yeah. They have drones and bombs and sh!t. Not happening. People debate what the 2nd Amendment means. I think it was made with the idea of a "well ordered" militia protecting the country, written from an 18th century perspective. However, there are those that interpret it much differently than I do.

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    Valley Girl
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can anyone tell me why this dude is still butt hurt about the Revolutionary War? He probably is for reparations for White Americans but dead set against it for African Americans!

    ProbablyIsaac
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine calling a British person a "redcoat"... somebody's still stuck in the 18th century

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    Meanwhile, Dr. Carroll previously told us that, in the United States, the insurance company is the payer for a patient’s care, so they’re “heavily involved in the provision of that care.” He said: “Their job is not to pay for healthcare but avoid paying for healthcare. It is a terrible system.”

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    #19

    “Healthcare Is Not A Basic Human Right”

    “Healthcare Is Not A Basic Human Right”

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    Alexandra Davis
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Remind this person of this next time he needs a doctor- it's not a right so he doesn't need to be provided with assistance

    Karl Baxter
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes it is. It’s just in the US you seem to put the individual above everything else, assume everyone has the same life chances and cry “communism” over any collective action that might benefit everyone - even if it would work out cheaper. Why the average American defends the bloated greedy bureaucracy that passes for their healthcare industry is beyond me. Perhaps some acceptance and humility that other countries might just “do health” with more efficiency, empathy and compassion than you would be a start?

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    According to the universal declaration of human rights, which is cosigned by the US government, medical care IS a human right. " Article 25: 1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. 2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection."

    SykesDaMan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nestlé's CEO at the time said the same thing about water. Bet someone is going to say this about Oxygen... I'll guess within the 20 years to come!

    Kiki
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If access to healthcare is not a basic human right then what is?

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dying in a hospital parking lot cuz you can't afford treatment but make too much to get Medicaid?

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    Leo Domitrix
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Speaking as a person who holds an MD (do not practice, many of us go into research or other related fields).... Yes, healthcare if a basic human right, b/c it's a basic human NEED. Like air, water, food, shelter....

    Lunar Bicycle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What does this person think is a basic human right? I’m going to guess it’s not shelter, education, food, water, compassion, decency...

    Mike Rodrick
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I believe I've read, somewhere, something about the right to life. Or did I imagine that?

    Ellie Finlay
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as I recall.

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    Laurasia Lepine
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bet this person claims to be pro life, too

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    #20

    “So You’re Saying Their Healthcare Is No Better Than Ours?”

    “So You’re Saying Their Healthcare Is No Better Than Ours?”

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    LuckyL
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Love the last sentence

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe someone believed Yukon is in the US.... I blush with shame for their ignorance, and pity their teachers.

    Wendy
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This horrible couple tried to jump the queue and pretended to be local hotel workers in Yukon to get their first shots. Got caught and he was fired by his company. Now they can’t get a second shot in time to make the first one count so their whole grift was for nothing.

    Jade Lynn - Panda's Brat
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They also risked bringing the virus to a place that has had very few cases and only one death. So selfish.

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    pamela nichols
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It will take more than coffee to fix that mind.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Can I get a Xanax with my coffee?

    #21

    We Have To Fund The Innovation That The Socialist Healthcare Systems Of The World Leach On

    We Have To Fund The Innovation That The Socialist Healthcare Systems Of The World Leach On

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    most deaths in the world , well done

    Sue Hazlewood
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When they call it China or Wuhan virus they have lost any argument

    EQXL
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In this obvious result of indoctrination is why nothing changes for the benefit of the citizens. The dumb ones believe every lie handed to them.

    Roxy Eastland
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    While America most certainly does contribute to medical advancement (in their universities, not their hospitals) it's just dismal that all these people have no grasp that other countries do too. The biggest serum institute in the world, without which none of us would be getting vaccines, is in India, as one topical example.

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's see--the Pfizer vaccine was developed in conjunction with a German firm, The Astra Zeneca vaccine was from Oxford, England, and China and Russia each developed their own vaccines. I don't think we have a monopoly on innovation.

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Universal Healthcare isn't in my country, but its still amazing. Its a lot cheaper than you'd think, ambulance rides are free and if you are hospitalized and don't have medical aid, once you are stable enough they will move you to a government hospital where it is cheaper.

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not 100% sure if this is true, but I think if you can't pay at a government hospital it is free, but your released as soon as they know that you won't die

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    Lynn Morello
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So then why is COVID-19 still rampant in the USA, When Australia has just about eradicated it?

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    universal healthcare wouldn't be less than than the healthcare given in America. A doctor is the same person either way.

    Jen Cook
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When Frederick Banting co-discovered insulin in the 1920s, he sold his share of the drug’s patent to the University of Toronto for $1 because he wanted the life-saving medicine to stay accessible. Nowadays, a vial of insulin Type 1 diabetic costs about US$340 in the US and roughly $34 in Canada. How much did American big pharma put into research and development of insulin $0. Americans die either rationing or going without insulin, and there is no excuse. It's greed plain and simple.

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    Dr. Carroll also opened up about the hardships that healthcare professionals like him face in the line of duty. “We are trained very early, almost like soldiers, to work hard and long hours, deal with extremely stressful conditions, and work through the emotional turmoil of death, debility, and the effect those things have on the patient and their families.”

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    #22

    "Healthcare Is Not A Right, Unless You Feel Like Slavery Is Ok"

    "Healthcare Is Not A Right, Unless You Feel Like Slavery Is Ok"

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    N G
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So... The police, fire service, street lighting, the army.... What the frickin track do you think your taxes pay for? You ALL benefit from "someone else's labour" AS WELL AS YOUR OWN LABOUR. That's the point.

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Shh! Don't make them think! It makes them grumpy! And, alas, they have guns.... *sigh*

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    M Kate McCulloch
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    does this guy not realize that we pay for social security and medicare with every paycheck already? Why isn't it already 'free'? we are already paying...

    Carrie Roettger
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate the "why should my tax dollars pay for everyone else's medical care?" argument. I always try to pint out that tax money ALREADY goes to fund others healthcare. Any hospital in the US that receives federal funds writes off a portion of the bills that uninsured people have. I spent about 17 years as a type 1 diabetic with no insurance or Medicaid or anything. I had to use my county hospital as my primary care SO much. If large portions of those bills hadn't been written off I'd have millions of dollars still owed. A social worker at that hospital told me about the write offs when I was worried about how I was going to get dialysis after being diagnosed with end stage renal disease. Luckily before I even left the hospital I was on Medicare. Even then the monthly bill for dialysis (before I qualified for Medicaid as well) was about $518 a month, that's 20%. Being healthy or having access to quality maintenance care for chronic diseases IS absolutely a human right.

    Sheena Leversedge Wood
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    why do they think our doctors and nurses aren't paid? they should be paid MORE, but that's not because it's not possible, it's because of government spending priorities

    haha laser go brrr
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why are they talking at the middle of the night?

    Curry on...
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Many slaveowners were made to provide a shack, potato sacks for clothing, and scraps of food for their slaves, at their expense. The only difference between then and now is that the slave has to pay for those things.

    third molar
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At what point they begin loosing the knowledge from schools?

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    #23

    Ask Ur Hero How Finland Is Doing During This Wuhan Virus. Their 'Free' Healthcare Is Failing And Bankrupting Their Country

    Ask Ur Hero How Finland Is Doing During This Wuhan Virus. Their 'Free' Healthcare Is Failing And Bankrupting Their Country

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yeah Finland TOTAL covid deaths 808 ....less than USA daily deaths

    Honu
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even adjusted for difference in population (US has about 70x higher) that's about 56K total deaths. We're still at almost 10x higher deaths per capita.

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    Marika Miettinen
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finland is doing just fine. Now if the covidiots could stop being idiots so that this s**t ends some day, that'd be nice. We have vaccines rolling out, slowly but surely, lots of things are closed and fun stuff is not allowed, which pisses off a lot of people, but I'm quite happy staying at home and learning new skills for a new career path.

    Ian MacFarlane
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Socialism? Finland is a capitalist economy and a democracy. And it is not in any risk of failure. Where do you get your information "Faux News"?

    Nic Dudley
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Finland has been awarded as the happiest country in the world for a few years now so it can't be that bad!

    ...
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, Finland is doing fine and our healthcare system is doing fine. Yes we have taken debt to be able to support struggling companies and to vaxxinate everybody etc. but we can manage that debt if we continue taking care of people. Government is reacting with more restrictions when numbers are getting higher so the healthcare withstands. Death toll per capita is 146,37 deaths per one million population in total and 0,72 last 7 days. USA numbers 1649,96 / 16,43. These numers tell covid-19 deaths per one million population. They are comparable numbers no matter the population of country. Also death toll doesn't correlate with how many tests were taken (just a note to all maga people). Keep safe out there!

    Emma London
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Free testing, free vaccine, free health care, paid sick leave and quarantine times. And no bankruptcy in sight, the only problem is potentially running out of ventilators and specialized health care professionals. But go ahead and watch, we'll wait.

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My fiance is Finnish. Finland was and is doing just fine. xD

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Americans: Look at the numbers: USA 1,675 deaths per million, Finland: 146 deaths per million. Europeans: Look at the numbers: USA 556,883 deaths, Finland 809 deaths.

    Y T
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uuum not? This is the worst example ever. Finland, Norway and Sweden have free healthcare. Have to say we are not bankrupt. You actually save money when you do this.

    J. F.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Healthy people work better and longer and thus generate more taxes - Economics 101

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    KT
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Where do the Americans get such crazy notions?

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    #24

    “Still Better Than Places With Free Healthcare”

    “Still Better Than Places With Free Healthcare”

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    RiverStyxJix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Uhhhh, and why is that, my friend?

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Because places with free healthcare are also places where gun violence, systemic racism and sexism and modern slavery doesn't exist.

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    Csaba Hegedűs
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People there are being brainwashed into this 'Murica is Greatest Country' idea and it shows.

    Vicky Zar
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Brainwashed, there is no other explanation

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Gonna have to disagree on that

    Bathsheba
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Talking to a certain kind of American about anything like this is like watching someone smash themselves in the face with a brick while shouting, around their bloodied, broken teeth, "it's my right, I'm FREE to do it if I want!" Like, sure, okay, but it doesn't look like you've thought through why you really want to do that....

    EA
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I saw an article about a guy who was in hospital for 30 days or close to that with COVID, and left with $1 million bill. He was distraught when he went home and said he wished they’d just let him die! Can you imagine wanting to die because you’re terrified of the costs from having your life saved? ):

    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's never actually 'free' It's 'Free At The Point Of Use' You pay contributions along with your taxes to the government. They are the major provider but you CAN buy private healthcare (99.9% don't) You are still entitled to use the healthcare even if you can't contribute via the tax system though..

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's as good as free though. We don't end up in thousands and thousands of our currencies in debt if we were to break our arm or something.

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    Latte
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I get the article but like yoooo, it's my boy Smant

    Ian MacFarlane
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How? Healthcare in the USA costs more per person than in any other modern democratic country and we deliver less health care to our citizens. We rank below 23rd in the OECD group of modern countries, far from first. 30% of our citizens have no health insurance or ineffective insurance. Life Expectancy in the USA is below all European nations, with some areas, such as West Virginia, matching that of Third World countries.

    Richard Henderson
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How the f**k are these people so brainwashed?

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    However, Dr. Carroll can’t imagine doing anything else. Being a doctor, helping people, is his calling. “I love what I do because I could not see myself doing anything else. I’ve wanted to be a doctor since I was 5, since I myself had a major medical issue.”

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    #25

    Healthcare Is Not A Right In 'Merica

    Healthcare Is Not A Right In 'Merica

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    Vicky Zar
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Germanys constitution. Part 1-1: Human dignity shall be inviolable. To respect and protect it shall be the duty of all state authority. Part 2-2: Every person shall have the right to free development of his personality insofar as he does not violate the rights of others or offend against the constitutional order or the moral law.

    Marlowe Fitzpatrik
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The first sentence translated is: "Human dignity IS inviolable" It's not nitpicking, it's a difference between "sollte sein" and "ist".

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    James016
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Genuine question: when was the Bill of Rights last updated?

    ProbablyIsaac
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    1992, 27th amendment. It says that the rate of compensation for members of Congress can only change after the subsequent election in the House.

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    Henry Cheves
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Amendment 9 says that the Bill of rights is not a complete list, and just because something isn't on there doesn't mean it isn't a fundamental right.

    Random Anon
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Isn't healthcare to preserve life? If your government isn't doing at least that, what is the point?

    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How about that part of the declaration of independence that pledges 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?' Aah that's right, 2020 was the year that we put it to a test and most Americans decided that liberty was much more important than life.

    Marcellus the Third
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Again technically true, but not an argument. You happily added amendments over time as needed, but suddenly decided that's it now it's sacrosanct and immutable? That's some pope-ish infallibility s**t.

    Mtownmick
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stupid founding fathers did not think of that in 1700's. What idiots.

    Giulia
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    in italy constitution is the articol 32: the state must provide health care for everyone (Citizen or not) and for some people it's free (the elderly, the disabled, the poors). for the ones that have to pay, we are in the 20-150 € range depending of what. and not even for anything! birth: free for all. am accident: free for all... you have to pay to like, analysis and s**t

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It should be but unfortunately there was no such thing back in 1776

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    One of the listed purposes of the Constitution is to "promote the general welfare." I'd call taking care of the health of the public as promoting the general welfare.

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    #26

    “You Can Get Free Healthcare Right Now Join The Army”

    “You Can Get Free Healthcare Right Now Join The Army”

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    JuJu
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And because it's Murica, a war is already waiting for you!

    EQXL
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To then get injured in a way you can't benefit the army anymore so you can end up being a homeless veteran in a wheelchair. Hey at least people will thank you for your service.

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    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hmm, don't want to risk my bank account to see a dentist....better risk my life instead.

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Free healthcare won't get you out of that body bag they use to transport you back to the USA.

    and_a_touch_of_the_’tism
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sir I can’t join the army, I have a medical condition. That I have to spend thousands to treat. So sit down and shut the fvck up.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That lazy eye look fine to me. Now here's your AK-47!

    KT
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, because murdering people in another country is a good way to get healthcare? thats insane

    kjorn
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yeah... and how many homeless people came from the USA army?

    Ivana
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never join the military for Healthcare. The VA refused to give my father oxygen and he had COPD. He begged the doctors at the largest VA in the US and they said his numbers weren't low enough to qualify. His doctor told me to buy him McDonald's to get his weight up (he was 70lbs). He died a week and a half later, a week of which hospic kept him sedated with morphine because it was too painful for him to be awake. I watched my father slowly suffocate and cry about how much pain he was in. A week and a half, and the VA never gave him oxygen. The US doesn't care about veterans and the VA is worthless.

    Renate Stargardt
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unless you can no longer serve, because your state of health, no longer allows it.

    jimmy pop
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You have to earn a proper disability before you can get some free healthcare!

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    #27

    I Should Be Able To Opt Out Of Insurance If I Want... With Universal Healthcare I Lose That Freedom Of Choice

    I Should Be Able To Opt Out Of Insurance If I Want... With Universal Healthcare I Lose That Freedom Of Choice

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    N G
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...I think my brain just broke. You want to be able to pay FULL price for any illness or injury? That's... freedom, of a sort?

    Abigail Hill
    Community Member
    3 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is like the people who say they don't want to go to heaven because they won't be able to sin there. I've literally heard that argument.

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    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    'I should be able to choose that in the event of an accident I am left to die by the side of the road'

    Debbie Convery
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can pay for private healthcare in the UK if you wish. You can be seen faster, waiting lists for not emergency surgery etc, get your own room. They generally use the same consultants and surgeons that work in the NHS

    Roxy Eastland
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Eh? You can decline treatment, it isn't forced on you. But yes, you have to pay your taxes.

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sure--then when you can't afford your bill and declare bankruptcy, it becomes everyone else's problem.

    Sinkvenice
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had to read that several times to make sure I read it correctly. That person is a f***ing cretin.

    Retro Dan™
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Technically true. BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES RAPING OUR WALLETS TO DEATH.

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can opt out. You also won't get healthcare. Voila!

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    He continued: “I remember the care and compassion my doctors when I was that age showed me, and helped me get through my very tough time. I wanted to do that for others, and so far I think I have done so. Insurance companies make it difficult though, and nearly force cold, inhumane, and compassionless rules on patients when they are most vulnerable.”

    #28

    "Healthcare Is Not A Basic Right - And I'm Concerned That Anyone's Kids Assume They Have The Right To Demand Someone Else Finance Their Healthcare"

    "Healthcare Is Not A Basic Right - And I'm Concerned That Anyone's Kids Assume They Have The Right To Demand Someone Else Finance Their Healthcare"

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    how do you think insurance works ? those that pay in but dont use are technically paying for those that do use it

    Colin Matthews
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I know-that always makes me smile. Insurance is basically the ultimate socialist construct-everyone paying in a small amount to afford something that they cannot afford individually.-but try explaining that to the MAGA crowd...

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    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not just that, but they demand everyone band together to fund the roads they use, their rubbish getting collected, a house fire being put out, the police investigating when they were robbed. It goes on and on.

    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is exactly how insurance works and Universal Healthcare is simply the state being the 'insurer' and guaranteeing to treat everyone regardless of whether they are able to work or not ie if you're disabled and unable to work in the US how would you get healthcare??

    Mark Lockett
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's an insurance paid as tax you twit. Because everyone pays it costs less for each and gives far more comprehensive cover for all.

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Universal declaration of human rights. Article 25: 1. Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control. 2. Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    WHAT THE HELL DO THEY THINK MEDICARE IS?!?!

    KT
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    LOL then how does he explain how he's okay with free fire, police and other public services? Using property insurance for his home? it's the SAME thing but somehow medical is not? Makes zero sense

    Troux
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wait until he finds out that he's paying for that kid's education and basic public safety and services.

    Karl Baxter
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Would you take that attitude with the Fire Department or Garbage collection just because your house hasn’t caught fire or your neighbour produces more waste than you? When the risk is shared then everyone wins. I have paid for the NHS through my taxes throughout my working life and thank goodness I have had little cause to ever use their services. The notion that I lose sleep and get angry that someone less fortunate than me gets a heart transplant is ridiculous. I’m glad that person gets the treatment they need and glad (due to genetic luck) it’s not me on the operating table. It’s called empathy for your fellow human or “loving thy neighbour” but, judging from some comments I’ve seen, some people would rather be bankrupted due to medical costs than even entertain this idea. Given the amount of so-called Christians in the US, I’m surprised that the most fundamental of biblical teaching fails to inform your health policy. None so blind...

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    #29

    “Avoid Situations In Which You May Need The Hospital”, In A List Of Solutions To Not Pay Healthcare Too Much

    “Avoid Situations In Which You May Need The Hospital”, In A List Of Solutions To Not Pay Healthcare Too Much

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    I I
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America , the place where you'd rather pay 10s of thousands for health care because you don't want to help out your fellow Americans

    Ellie Finlay
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The unspoken issue here, I'm sorry to say, is race. A large number of people in this country (the U.S.) do not want to help black and brown people and the racists among us assume that the poor and the non-white constitute the same population. It's shameful, of course, and not even particularly accurate, but that's behind a lot of the resistance to universal health care.

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    Giulia
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Avoid situations in which you may need the hospital" is infuriating. does this piece of cr*p know that no one choose to be ill or...?

    Another Fool on the Hill
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Hospitals are forced to give you free care" vs. "I won't pay the bill for anyone". Can anybody explain? What do they think, what this kind of "free" means? That doctors and nurses didn't get paid? That treatments and medication don't cost a penny?

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, they think the government will come to their door and rob them of their spare cash. B/c healthcare doesn't do that already. Yes. It makes no sense. These are people who would let you die rather than pay a dollar more in taxes a month.

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    Amy Pattie
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Avoid situations in which you may need the hospital“ yes… When A mad clown broke down a door and kidnapped my best friend... she clearly shouldn’t have been in her own home that day.

    Amy Pattie
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (Ps she’s alive and mostly physically recovered)

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    Terri Williams
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Be smart with your money" I had an emergency appendectomy in my late 30's. How do you plan for that? Just got that bill taken care of and was able to start putting money back into a retirement account. Next up...My husband was in his 40's when he was diagnosed with cancer. His job tried to lay him off his job the day of his first radiation treatment. They couldn't do that or they would be in big trouble. They waited until a week after his final treatment. Then he was laid off. All the money that was saved was then spent on hospital/doctor bills and surviving a year before he found another job. My husband is cancer free, Praise God! All I can think is how much better off we'd be if there was universal healthcare in America. I'd gladly pay taxes so everyone wouldn't have to worry about outrageous hospital bills. And, to get rid of insurance reps over riding your doctor and deciding what treatment is best for their profit.

    Jackie Elliott
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dont have a baby! But if you get raped and get pregnant abortions are illegal? So force me to have a baby I cant afford because someone else raped me? Its my fault I dont have insurance. Absolute horsecrap

    Uncommon Boston
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Privilege taken for granted.

    Latte
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine being in a position where you have to revolve your ENTIRE LIFE around trying to avoid a simple trip to the hospital or doctor.

    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd like to see this person last 5 minutes on sheer personal responsibility. We all rely on each other to get through life. Even billion dollar corporations use public roads, employees educated in public schools, etc., etc.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, get a job to avoid needing hospital treatment. It should be a good safe job, like food line worker. Stand shoulder to shoulder with thousands of others each day. Make sure your blade is good and sharp, that line moves fast and you better make your daily quota. Not making enough money? Jump at the opportunity to make money on the side. I suggest bungee jumping instructor. Also, don't have a baby. One way to do that is same sex relationships. I'm sure the author of this post would salute you for such a frugal decision.

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    #30

    Not Sure It Works This Way

    Not Sure It Works This Way

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    Natalia Shoemark
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Their pricing is ridiculous.. no wonder people avoid it 🙄

    sylvantic
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ah but guess what? doctors don't treat themselves.

    Adél Gáspár
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Haha my first thought: good luck giving yourself a successful heart surgery.

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    Kelly Hartle
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Try performing surgery on yourself.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So this jackass has no problem that WE are paying for the senators' plan? For life?

    Markus Holstein
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Even becoming a doctor is an expensive way only in the US. I graduated from the largest and one of the most prestigious university hospitals in Europe and my tuition fee was three hundred and something Euros per semester - and even that already included a student ticket for public transportation

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    Plenty of Americans who are against free healthcare have a mindset that’s full-on ‘the strong survive, the weak perish’ which would be useful in a post-apocalyptic world, not when we’re all supposed to be civilized and aiming for longer, higher-quality living. And it’s a tad ironic that a country that is so full of charitable, warm, friendly people also has to deal with a cold, dehumanizing, penny-pinching healthcare system.

    #31

    Imagine Having To Wait Months For Healthcare Because You Live Somewhere That Has Government Run Healthcare

    Imagine Having To Wait Months For Healthcare Because You Live Somewhere That Has Government Run Healthcare

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    Anna Banana
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's true. There's not enough doctors for everyone to be seen immediately so if my situation isn't dire I will wait a couple of months for a visit with a specialist. The more serious the condition is, the closer to the beginning of the line you are placed. I see no problem with that, I don't want somebody else to die because I was impatient. And that's for public healthcare. A yearly insurance at a private network of clinics costs about a quarter of a mean monthly salary. Within that you can go to any specialist (except, I think the dentist) and then it's much shorter waiting time.

    Becky Lombard
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well said! And many people in the US wait long periods for specialists also!

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    The Cute Cat
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nope.. Actually the waiting time is not in month.. It is on hours..

    Dario T.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yep, totally. Here in Italy my grandmother was diagnosed with a tumor in the larynx and after a week she was operated. These us citizens are just c***s too self-absorbed into sucking their own c***s to see the benifits of Universal Healtcare.

    Natalia Shoemark
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can't believe they actually think it's a good thing they have to pay for it!

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    Yort
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m in the us and has to wait months just to see my primary care provider. In fact I think most people wait months unless it’s an emergency, and we don’t even HAVE government-run healthcare here.

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When you're in an emergency in Europe, you will get help right away, without any inquiries about your financial status or insurance and without signing any Hospital waivers and patient consent forms.

    Evil Little Thing
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    When I want to see my family doctor I have to make an appointment months ahead. All her appointments are full for 2-3 months, always. So I wait AND I pay. Not the best system. She's a great doc tho.

    Fiona Bell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine not getting health care because you can't afford it. Imagine not getting tests you need because your health insurance will not cover it then months down the line you find out you have a serious illness and your chances of recovery would have been significantly improved had you only discovered it sooner.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    .....Like the 35% of Americans that have Care or Caid? Which are run by......?

    Downunderdude
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's called triage, f*****t. In Australia, life-threatening injury from car accident (say) = instant (free) health care. Non life-threatening need for a knee reconstruction = a wait (but still free). Seems reasonable to me.

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    #32

    American Talking About Free Healthcare

    American Talking About Free Healthcare

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    goes bankrupt and homeless after car accident " at least i'm not paying to help others"

    ProductofNZ
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ironically, the US ranks worst in preventable deaths from lack of timely healthcare. (out of the top 16 wealthiest countries)

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've never had to wait that long for healthcare. wtf. xD

    EQXL
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Still better than dying because I can't afford the bill

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    *dies at home because I can’t even afford to take an Uber to the hospital let alone an ambulance* at least I won’t be in debt now!

    Jen Cook
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Canadian, I have several cancer survivors in my family, they didn't wait and being diagnosed early because an annual check up was free and I actually get a cervical cancer test reminder every year from the government, saved lives. Women in Canada actually have better breast cancer survival rates than America, we're not waiting, we're living.

    Carmen Honacker
    Community Member
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What a crock of sh**! All I‘m seeing here is that none of these „experts“ have ever left the country or actually lived in any of the countries they are commenting on.

    DG
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

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    #33

    "Better Than The Free Healthcare [...] Ours Is Expensive, Not Crap"

    "Better Than The Free Healthcare [...] Ours Is Expensive, Not Crap"

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    Kaisa Koo
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Facts missing again. I Wonder if it's more a lie or laziness.. Ignorance, I know but such irresponsible statements could be understood as lies.

    Martha Higgins
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's laziness and being fed a diet of Fox News or Faux Fox as it's known here.

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    Sandra
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would say it is just ignorance. I am not saying the crappy communist healthcare is perfect, then again they do prevent you fron dying. I love how some Americans think they are so smart and special, but have no ideea what they are talking about.

    Meh Man
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    4 years ago

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    I would say the same thing about people making fun of americans. You think you are so much smarter but youve probably never been to america and met the people. They just make baseless comments, mostly on this website. Earlier in this post somebody said that american tap water is not potable, thats bs.

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    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Again, eh? Brits *love* their NHS

    Samantha Hurrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We still hate what the government has done to it though.

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    Fred L.
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Expensive *AND crap. There, fixed it for you.

    Susan Williams
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This comes from someone who may also believe that the holocaust never happened, man never walked on the moon, or the earth is flat.

    Lynn Morello
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ours is not expensive and not crap. At least we don't have to take out a second Mortgage just to have a baby.

    Jen Cook
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "People are telling me..."

    Chris Meyers
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "I've talked to people..." Liar red flag!

    DG
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

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    #34

    But Your Doctors Are Imbecile

    But Your Doctors Are Imbecile

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    Alyssa
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What the hell are these people smoking 🤣🤣

    Marianne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who is telling Americans these horror stories??

    Fred L.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Other Americans, most likely those who never needed medical help in these other countries.

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    James016
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whereas your doctor is more concerned about billing you to the point of ruin.

    JitkaBlitka
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm getting the impression that those people think universaI healthcare means shamans, leeches, blacksmith pulling your teeth...

    Becky Lombard
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You obviously have never been outside of the US, let alone had health care outside of the US. In the countries with Universal Health Care it not only costs less, it's often superior health care.

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As opposed to the US, where 100% of our doctors are competent, there’s no such thing as malpractice, and they actually listen to you when you tell them that something is wrong.

    SykesDaMan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think that this map is missing some countries, too.

    Susan Williams
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Someone doesn't have spell check. Misspelled words and poor grammar take away from the message which you are trying to convey.

    Fiona Bell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imbecile doctors are few and far between and all medical staff are closely and continuously monitored in the UK. Its certainly not the case that all the best ones run off to private health care for more cash. The best doctors deeply care for their patients and are not just in it for a big payday.

    Tee Witt
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not closely enough though, our NHS is non existent in some areas

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    #35

    Healthcare Is Governmental Slavery

    Healthcare Is Governmental Slavery

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    crazy doing ctrazy

    Sum Guy
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What does that even mean?

    The 5-star rated 5-star rating system
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it means that the government employs healthcare workers and then doesn't pay them. In England right now, this is sort of true though: we pay taxes to the government but those taxes are wasted on things like our useless monarchy and extra money for the members of parliament to "cover extra office costs during the pandemic" instead of going to the healthcare workers. However, this problem is caused by capitalism instead of free healthcare.

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    El Dee
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It seems like brainwashing really IS a thing and CAN be done successfully - see post above!

    elStiJneriNO
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    since when is the USA against slavery all of a sudden

    Uncommon Boston
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Either lower medical expenses to be affordable for everyone or provide universal healthcare. People shouldn't need to choose, medication or food. The US has one of the highest prescription drug prices, because unlike other countries pharmaceutical companies decide what to charge -- often for no reason

    Amy Pattie
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dude, I am fully capable of getting free healthcare and thinking some of my government policies are crap.

    Amy Pattie
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Heck, I can even write to my government. It’s not like doing it with a broken arm and a pile of debt would make that any easier.

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    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes, your plastic surgeon making 20% less is slavery! What will his 3rd mistress do without a second jaguar? Doc Lives Matter!

    SykesDaMan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's throw anything and everything at the wall and see what sticks and of course, let's not back that up with anything, just because we can: "The freedom of speech is government fascism"

    Leeh Colorada
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine when they discover the military

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    no it's not go hide in your political hole

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    #36

    “Wealthy Brits Fly To The Us For Critical Care Because We Have The Best Healthcare In The World”

    “Wealthy Brits Fly To The Us For Critical Care Because We Have The Best Healthcare In The World”

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    forgetting Brits do actually move to the USA for the weather , do you expect them to fly home for treatment then fly back ??

    cybermerlin2000
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually a lot of them do. Its cheaper than just the ambulance ride

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    Jonathan
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Health tourism works both ways. Have a look on YouTube- there are amazing videos about it. One in particular is an American woman that had a baby in the UK and never paid a single penny. Whereas in America she would be billed to have flesh to flesh contact with her own baby after it had been delivered, which is just disgusting.

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Actually thanks to one of the laws in the USA if you have your baby on USA soil their automatically a US citizen

    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Then the child is both a UK and USA citizen

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    Yort
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So the possibility that those Brits actually just live in the US or were on vacation escapes them? There’s a British guy who lives in my apartment building. He doesn’t fly here from Britain for the healthcare. He just lives here for whatever reason.

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A lot of Americans go to other countries for healthcare also. Israel has the best spine surgeons. Most other countries have medicines America won't allow some due to they can't charge enough for them so they don't offer it.

    Helmut Kok
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Forgetting that sometimes patient gets send to other countries to get treatment. Guess who pays for that to

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    #37

    Gimme That Fat TV!

     Gimme That Fat TV!

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    Veronica Torres
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Europeans can get bigger toys if they disregard their own health and education!!! Seriously?

    M O'Connell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Blame the capitalist manipulation of youth, they've spend the last hundred years convincing people that success is measured by the accumulation of goods (or replacing old goods with new goods unnecessarily). Naturally, 'leaders' who make their money through the sale of those goods would absolutely tell you that.

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    N G
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Bigger apartments? You mean we could generate a sh1t ton of extra LAND if we didn't have to pay for healthcare?

    Marianne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Who would want healthcare if you could also have a bigger TV? No, seriously, no one in Germany pays 60% taxes and our healthcare also is not exclusively funded by taxes. We pay for our insurance. But we pay way less than Americans, because EVERYONE here pays into the system.

    Jonathan
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We'll just ignore the fact a lot of European cities are pretty ancient and don't have room for 'bigger apartments.'

    Another Fool on the Hill
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lmao. What do they think over there about the size of our tvs, apartments and houses? There's nobody I know whiteout at least one tv with more than 50" and I'm just a random guy with a random job.

    Ole Peder Amrud Hagen
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We all actually dream of a 6000 sq ft house in Omaha and a 1000 " RPTV, but we're just too ashamed to admit it.

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah yes, a huge apartment and a huge TV, the most important things in life. /s

    Guido Pisano
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just compare cost of a flat (or apartment) in italy and in usa...

    Dirk Daring
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Imagine valuing a big TV over your own health...

    Da Stew
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What's the point of having nice things if it's taken away when you go bankrupt paying medical bills?

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    #38

    "You’re Welcome American Citizens Literally Pay For The Rest Of The Worlds Healthcare." On A Tweet About Canada

    "You’re Welcome American Citizens Literally Pay For The Rest Of The Worlds Healthcare." On A Tweet About Canada

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    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "American citizens literally pay for the rest of the worlds (sic) healthcare" - I don't even know what they're thinking here.

    M O'Connell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think they are implying that the costly American healthcare system funds substantial research into medications and treatments. I suppose it does, but not to the degree which that guy seems to think it does.

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    qwerty
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i am stealing the word defuctable.

    J. F.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah yes, the famous US scientist Alexander Fleming - who could ever forget him? /s

    StrawberryParfait
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ....Are people not aware we have hosptials in Canada? Quite a few, actually. With some of the best doctors in the world.

    Yort
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No all of the doctors who are in free healthcare countries are awful, according to people who don’t live in those countries.

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    Stevie S
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    America pays for rest of worlds healthcare but won't pay for each others. If this is the case, what a bunch of fuktards. Because we know this is not the case, what a bunch of disillusioned fuktards.

    backatya
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    get off your high horse. America is just another business and greedy country that works on money only. Otherwise they tell you to take a hike and die. Not so great after all is it?

    Barbara Vandewalle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    St.Jude's Children's Hospital. Since the 1950's they have specialized developing cancer treatments for children. No cost to the families. What the insurance pays is all the expect. The rest is paid for by donations from those who want to donate. Those treatments are shared world wide. Free enterprise made it possible for St. Jude to help all children around the world.

    Samantha Hurrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So basically the US pays everyone's taxes that pay for their free healthcare?

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    #39

    Found On Quora: "Don't Talk About Healthcare, That's Not Sometimes That Defines The Greatness Of A Country"

    Found On Quora: "Don't Talk About Healthcare, That's Not Sometimes That Defines The Greatness Of A Country"

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    Roland Kreslin
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Since when Is USA the greatest country in the world. Get your facts straight. And if you are too lazy watch the series 'newsroom'. There is a nice rant about wlhow f****d up USA is

    Dario T.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    To themselves it is a "great country". To all the sane people in the rest of the world, the usa is just a circus on fire.

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    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No country is 'the greatest country in the world' what a stupid thing to aim for or even try to define. We can all learn good ideas from each other.

    Valley Girl
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Especially during a global pandemic!

    Downunderdude
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry to break it to you, mate, but most of us non-Americans think it's funny (and sad) that you think America is the best country in the world. That fact that you apparently need reassurance that it is suggests that maybe you have just a sneaking suspicion that it isn't.

    Marianne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well, if we do not talk about health care, racism, living quality, safety, distribution of wealth and working conditions ...

    XxInstantKarmaxX
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No the US has: A poorly managed army, S**t safety in schools, Racial injustice, Corrupted government, entitled people (anti-maskers/anti-vaxx) and the worst of all non/barely any firearm management because the IRA pay the US government to stay in business.

    jimmy pop
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The greatest country in the world is Russia, followed by Canada.

    Eric Lafleur
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Please google "best country in the world in 2021" Also, look where your greatest country ranked in the last ten years...

    Vicky Z
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I really can't understand why people can't even think that maybe their country has flaws!! I also love my country but I'm pretty sure it sucks in many things! Not in healthcare though cause of course it's free

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    #40

    "I'll Pay My Healthcare And Others Can Pay Theirs If They Can't That's Unfortunate"

    "I'll Pay My Healthcare And Others Can Pay Theirs If They Can't That's Unfortunate"

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    Marianne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They're right not to believe in European socialist well fair states, because something like that doesn't exist. We do not have socialist states here. But that's hard to understand if "universal healthcare" is a socialist concept for you.

    Markus Holstein
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Well fair"? Is that an annual rural festival where you can buy wells?

    JuJu
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What is it with the "socialist-phobia" in the US? You want to scare people away from an idea? call it socialist!

    Anne
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is social well fare.. not socialist well fair..

    Downunderdude
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    'Well fair' rofl. Still, he's sort of right: that someone who is sicker than me gets treated before me...well, fair.

    ...
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They sure have lot of opinions about welfare for a person who can't even spell it. I guess our European education gives some advantage over native English speaking people in US. I bet you have fun 'well fairs' there though.

    J. F.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Somebody else thinks people should get teached the difference between a social state and a socialist state?

    blankman
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So when your house burns down don't look to your insurance company to pay for rebuilding it. After all, I don't want my premiums used to pay for your loss. And while you're at it, don't call the fire department - after all, why should other people's tax dollars be used to pay firefighters when you could simply engage a private fire fighting company. And when the time comes, don't collect Social Security or Medicare. And don't send your kids to public schools - after all, why should my tax dollars pay for your child's education - send them to private schools that don't receive gov't monies.

    Carmen Honacker
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ah, and what to do when you don‘t even know the difference between communism and socialism, yet alone social marketplaces? Then you‘d spew utter crap like this!

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    #41

    "Healthcare Isn't A Human Right"

    "Healthcare Isn't A Human Right"

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    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Once again it's clear that Americans do not know the Universal declaration of human rights. Even under the Geneva convention wounded prisoners of war have a right to health care.

    M O'Connell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can see why someone might be offended that their contribution to a national healthcare system was spent on someone with a chronic condition of their own making (diabetes induced by a poor diet, drug or alcohol abuse, etc), but many of the chronic conditions people suffer from could easily be prevented by proper access to medical treatment in the first place. How many people suffering from mental illness self-medicate with drugs and alcohol? How many people with diabetes, heart disease, etc. suffer due to a poor diet, or inability to afford treatment which would restore their quality of life and ultimately reduce the overall cost of their care.

    Leo Domitrix
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not offended. If they aren't dying or disabled by disease, then they're prodcutive members of society and contributing to the whole thing.

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    Samantha Hurrell
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yet they use roads and other services funded by other tax payers.

    Lisa Shelton
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Lol. If you pay taxes you are still paying for people like that, especially drug addicts, on medicaid or uninsured. They show up in the ER over and over.

    MandaPanda
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate seeing "health care is not a human right". That's basically saying that you have to pay to stay alive.

    Oliver Tozer
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree that healthcare is a human right, but you do actually have to pay to stay alive.

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    Valley Girl
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hope his parents work until they keel over so they can afford insurance.

    Lynn Morello
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not sure which country you would be talking about.

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    #42

    Free Healthcare Doesn’t Work And It’s A Failing System In Almost Every Country

    Free Healthcare Doesn’t Work And It’s A Failing System In Almost Every Country

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    I I
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i'd laugh but it's scary how uninformed most of these morons are

    Roxy Eastland
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's what I was thinking. They literally know nothing and have been told rubbish.

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    JennyLaRue
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Excuse me while I just take a moment to weep for the lies they must be being peddled to believe that their immoral healthcare system is the best

    The Cute Cat
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ever since our free healthcare work, our life expectancy goes up.. But of course you never see that fact

    Samuel Gallegos
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    the more i read thru this thread the more I want to bang my head against a wall

    J. F.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Welcome to Germany, famous for the failing Healthcare system since 1883! /s

    Amy Pattie
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This makes me sad on so many levels

    Kaisa Koo
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All those phrases withouth any kind of reasonable explanation

    Not My Name
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And yet none of those countries are failing due to universal healthcare.

    J. F.
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    4 years ago

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    James016
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's free at the point of use, not free. It is a distinction that needs to be highlighted more.

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    #43

    Free Healthcare Is Why Italy And Spain Have Thousands Dying Everyday From Coronavirus

    Free Healthcare Is Why Italy And Spain Have Thousands Dying Everyday From Coronavirus

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    Lara Verne
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What kind of logic is this?

    Ozacoter
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Apparently people catch it on purpose just because it’s free to go to the hospital?

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    Sum Guy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Says someone in a country with over half a million deaths. I don't think americans realise that they have 4% of the world's populations and 20% of all covid19 deaths

    Giulia
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    italian here. f**k you :) Also "the chinese virus" *facepalm* dumb AND racist...

    Dario T.
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At least here in Italy and Spain there aren't school shootings, so we will not rob you of your record.

    Corey Brown
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Any body who calls it the Chinese virus exposes how stupid they are

    RoseTheMad
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Italy, Spain, France, and the UK's death toll combined isn't even as high as the US's ...

    Becky Lombard
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just a bit racist, don't you think? And a whole lot of dumber than a stump!

    kjorn
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    easier access to gun is what give so many shootout in america

    Rob Williams
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And how many thousands are dying in the USA?

    Kelly Hartle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So expensive healthcare is why more than half a million have died from coronavirus here?

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    #44

    Wait Until You Find Out Waiting In Line For 11 Hours To Vote Is Absolutely Wonderful Compared To The Amount Of Time People Wait To See A Doctor In Countries With Socialized Healthcare

    Wait Until You Find Out Waiting In Line For 11 Hours To Vote Is Absolutely Wonderful Compared To The Amount Of Time People Wait To See A Doctor In Countries With Socialized Healthcare

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    I I
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    phone up at 8 am see a doctor at 10am , sooooo much waiting , these fools just listen to RepubliCONS filling their heads with sh1te

    Steve Haigh
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had a urine infection. Called doctor at 9am, due to COVID they were doing callbacks rather than asking people to go straight round to the GP's surgery. Got a callback at 9.30am, discussed the symptoms, etc. Doctor emailed a prescription for antibiotics to my local pharmacy and picked them up at 10:30am.

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    Marianne
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wait until you find out that in most countries, you do not have to wait at all to vote.

    Lindsfc
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Off topic I know, but why do Americans wait so long to vote? In the UK, I've never had to even queue, it's been in and out of the voting centre in 5mins flat...

    cybermerlin2000
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I had the most awful wait time of 15 minutes! I called my doctor at 8:30am to get an appointment for 11am . I arrived and had to wait 15 minutes because the doctor went to the toilet after he had finished with his last patient. I was so inconvenienced that I nearly yawned!

    Jonathan
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I usually call the dcotor after my morning work, at about 10pm. If it isn't an urgent matter then a doctor will call me back before they close at 1.30pm and ask if I can be dealt with over the phone which I usually can. Prescription, which in my country is free, is ready for me to collect when they open up again after lunch- 3pm. If I need a set of blood taken then they just ask when I'm available, usually the next day and I get my results in 3 days. I see no problem with the way my country runs its healthcare. Not to mention we are the first country in the world to provide free sanitary products to anyone that needs them. Scotland knows how to do health. My sister had non-Hodgkins lymphoma which she beat using our brilliant NHS and then less than a full year later she discovered she had a rarer type of cancer which was subsequently beat using an innovative and relatively new treatment. All the while her mortgage was being contributed towards by her employer. All of this for FREE. There was no need for a GoFundMe, she never had to choose between health and house. The most paid for her hospital visit was the taxi fare (-£8)

    Tee Witt
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just a minute, Scotland's health care is not that brilliant. I lived there for 14 years and found anything beyond the GP was virtually impossible, 200 miles to the hospital at least. The care offered was totally dependent on where you lived.

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    Froganit Gamesy
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not only we don't wait in line for the doctor, we had election this weak and I waited 5 minutes for my turn.

    Lynn Morello
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As for voting, Go down to the Polling Booth, walk straight in, register, vote. out. 12 minutes.

    Samantha Hurrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The beauty of the US voting system, waiting hours upon hours to vote.

    EQXL
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I just called for my son. Can you make it in 30 min. Then we had to call the dentist who was on a lunchbreak so we couldn't reach him. Thirty minutes later we called again and he asked if we could be there in 20 minutes. All of this after a little playground mishap in school. Took less than 11 hours even if I start counting from the time I woke up this morning.

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    #45

    No It Isn’t, “Free” Healthcare Does Not Get Into The Concept Of A Human Right

    No It Isn’t, “Free” Healthcare Does Not Get Into The Concept Of A Human Right

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    Natalia Shoemark
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok. Technically I guess we do via our taxes... but like waaaaaaay less than them!

    InfectedVoice
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I pay just under £5000 a year to national insurance, and am very happy that will help people who need it.

    WilvanderHeijden
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This person has read on the internet that taxes in Europe can run up as high as 150.5 % of your daily income and that sales tax is somewhere in the region of 132.8%. And that's why we have affordable sustainable health care.... /S

    Susan Williams
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Before Obama Care, my neighbor had no health insurance. She told me she and her family just went to the ER, at no charge, when they felt unwell. After Obama Care took force, she is now having to pay $500/month. I reminded her Someone paid for her and her family's care. It was the property owners who paid thru' their property tax. Then I told her that as a property owner, I had paid for her and her family's visits to the ER. That put an end to our friendly chats.

    David Buchan-Terrell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Your minimum wage would be hire if your boss didn't have to pay the insurance premiums.

    #46

    "Everyone Gets Free Healthcare Because It's A Right. Then Everyone Gets A Free Firearm. Because That's Definitely A Right"

    "Everyone Gets Free Healthcare Because It's A Right. Then Everyone Gets A Free Firearm. Because That's Definitely A Right"

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    Coleonema
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Does not mean you get a free firearm

    M O'Connell
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I've been advocating for a swords-only self-defense policy for years!. Everyone must be required to carry a sword at all times, and multi-shot firearms are strictly prohibited. At least that way, if people want to skirmish with each other, they at least need to have some level of skill to kill the other person. You get all of the posturing and whatnot, with none of the gunpowder.

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    Stevie S
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With so many firearms available, it is not surprising that healthcare isn't free.

    Susan Williams
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Relieved that he second amendment does not forbid owning Arms. BTW, are tanks considered legal too? I always wanted to own a tank and a couple of RPGs

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    #47

    Canada Only Has Free Healthcare Because Of The Us

    Canada Only Has Free Healthcare Because Of The Us

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    Roland Kreslin
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    What did I just read? From what does USA protect Canada. Last time I checked the only neighbours are Greenland and USA.

    Peko
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The US is the only reason Denmark haven't invaded Canada to finally put an end to the dispute over Hans Island..

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    Corey Brown
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My god.. I am embarrassed to be an American reading some of this s**t

    Eric Lafleur
    Community Member
    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you are so protecting us with your military, why the hell did we had to help you in every conflict you got yourself in up to your ears?

    Kelly Hartle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    With this kind of idiocy, I'm surprised Canada doesn't view their relationship with us as living above a meth lab.

    Samuel Gallegos
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Brain no work. Very confused on what the hell i just read

    Lynn Morello
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Canada has the Healthcare system that it has got, because it realised that the US healthcare System is so F@#ked up, they didn't want anything to do with it, Nor does Australia.

    Fred Van Der Zee
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah, you never know when the Fire Nation will attack. And that will change everything for those pesky Canadians for sure.

    EQXL
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're not ducking America, you're the US which is just as much in America as Canada, Brasil and many other countries

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    #48

    "My Grandfather Went To France In 1944. Germans In Control And Not Offering Doc Visits. He And Other American Servicemen Liberated The Country" On A Tweet Where An American Man Praises The French Healthcare System

    "My Grandfather Went To France In 1944. Germans In Control And Not Offering Doc Visits. He And Other American Servicemen Liberated The Country" On A Tweet Where An American Man Praises The French Healthcare System

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    Dilly Millandry
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Helped to liberate along with all the other allies, most of whom were in from the start.

    StrawberryParfait
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Exactly. Americans didn't get in the game until quite late. They seem to forget this fact.

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    Carrie Laughs
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You have to go that far back to be able to boast? Though also, not just the US. Part of it, not all of it. Came in later and your country wasn't being bombed and dealing with rationing.

    C.S. E.
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Would this moron like his history lesson in bullet form on the sheer level of inaccuracy inherit in that statement, or should I break out the sock puppets?

    Soviet_catto
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kinda true kinda false. The part about america not being able to pay for free helthcare because of military is true. The part about us saving others a**es is not true. Saving other's asses is not the same as steamrolling a country to bits. Do we really need 11 carrier battle groups??? You can downvote me now.

    M O'Connell
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Presently there are 11 total aircraft carriers, but only 9 carrier strike groups, 4 at east-coast naval bases, 4 at west-coast naval bases and 1 permanently deployed to Yokosuka Japan. USS George Washington and USS John C. Stennis are in drydock, USS Harry S. Truman has been tied up in Norfolk since June of last year, and USS Gerald R. Ford has not yet been deployed. I'm not saying that makes it any better, but at least the facts are straight.

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    Tom Pepper
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    How desperate do you have to be to bring WWII as an argument against universal healthcare?!

    Allen Lavine
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Why do people ack like it's America and only America that won ww1 and ww2 If that's true why do we get our butts kick in Vietnam

    Samantha Hurrell
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Didn't the US always dither in joining any wars, I mean German forced them the first time (RMS Lusitania was Sunk) and Japan forced them the second time (Pearl Habour). They were perfectly happy just to let everyone else get on with it.

    gerard julien
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    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "During the struggle for American independence, France provided the money, troops, armament, military leadership, and naval support that tipped the balance of military power and paved the way for the Continental Army’s ultimate victory. Over the course of the Revolution, France provided an estimated 12,000 soldiers and 32,000 sailors to the American war effort. Without the committed support of France, it is difficult to see how the revolutionary cause could have been sustained in the face of British military power. French involvement in the American Revolution strained France’s finances, exactly as many had predicted. The economic collapse that followed proved to be a major factor in the coming of the French Revolution in 1789." SOURCE : AMERICAN BATTLEFIELD TRUST. Travis Shaw : BA in History from St. Mary’s College of Maryland and an MA in Public History from American University. IN SHORT : WITHOUT THE FRENCH THE AMERICAN FLAG WOULD BE THE UNION JACK TODAY ! emoji-643f...f97673.png emoji-643fa4ef97673.png

    gerard julien
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    2 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    an american myth : It's the goddamn American Revolution. Sure, the French stepped in late in the game, but by the time they bothered to put down their baguettes and wine, the colonists had already proven they were a solid bet. Even after the Americans won at Saratoga, French assistance was, well, French: underwhelming and plagued by indecision. THE REALITY : In the centuries since the Revolutionary War, French contributions have been criminally downplayed. Somewhere between the real Yorktown and Mel Gibson's rather less accurate version, The Patriot, the monumental French war effort during the birth of America got forgotten, buried in the sand, and pissed on. France began providing arms and ammunition as early as 1776 (the war started in 1775). In early 1777, months before Saratoga, the French sent American colonists 25,000 uniforms and pairs of boots, hundreds of cannons, and thousands of muskets -France provided a whopping 90 percent of the rebels' gunpowder. "

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    Kelly Hartle
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Americans were there, but so were all the other allies, and none of us could have done it without the French underground.

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    #49

    Healthcare Shouldn’t Be Free For Everyone

    Healthcare Shouldn’t Be Free For Everyone

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    I I
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    what a crock of sh1t , these dumb a55es need to think before they flapp their moronic lips

    Kharyss
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow! Adolf would be so proud.

    Coleonema
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "The value of you is determined by how essential you are to society. The harder you are to replace, the more valuable you are". What is humanity coming to if there are actually people who believe this?

    Sky Render
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You know, this sort of thinking that some people are "more essential", it sounds familiar... Where have I heard that before? Oh right, in Germany during the 1920s and 1930s, just before...! Oh dear.

    Lindsfc
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Except you can't get an abortion in some states because religious leaders have too much say in abortion policy..

    Carol Taylor
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    and they're to poor to afford contraception to stop having children they can't afford...or government tell you you can't have/use contraception due to religious reasons...

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    Too_gay_to_function_
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People. Are. Humans. What is so hard to understand? We all have the same value :)

    RoseTheMad
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Meanwhile there are states in the US that made abortion illegal, so this person needs to stfu lmao

    N G
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ok, so to pick up on their fourth paragraph, particularly those who have children but "face financial hardship later". How, EXACTLY, do you plan to differentiate between these unlucky families and everyone else? And, in all probability, the later financial hardship will be a hospital bill!

    Tracy Costa
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Interesting about who is replaceable. I recall we had a global pandemic where most grocery store workers were considered essential workers and many lawyers, doctors, and bankers were closed.

    Yort
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    “Who’s stopping you? God?” Uh no, the republicans who keep outlawing abortion. Also abortions aren’t free either!

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    #50

    "If You Can't Take Care Of Yourself Than I Shouldn't Be Forced To Pay For Your Healthcare"

    "If You Can't Take Care Of Yourself Than I Shouldn't Be Forced To Pay For Your Healthcare"

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    EQXL
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So much for the medical oath

    Mu B
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is so judgemental.

    Heidi I
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    4 years ago (edited) Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being a nurse myself, that lady has zero business claiming to be a nurse. It's more than just a degree, it's compassion, empathy, tolerance etc, and she seems to be lacking all but the degree (if she even has THAT).

    Tom Pepper
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So there are just super healthy and super careless people in the USA? Kids or grannys never need to go to hospital? Shocking that a nurse who should no better says such rubbish...

    Unaffected
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm a nurse and I think you shouldn't be a nurse

    Vicky Z
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If that's a nurse she should be fired asap!!!! For f**k's sake your job is to help anyone and not care for any backround!! A shame for the profession!

    Suzanne Haigh
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It is a shame people can only talk about extremes, many people who do not abuse their bodies need urgent medical healthcare which is not available in the US unless you are astronomical salaries.

    EA
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you choose to smoke and develop a smoking related disease or illness, I don’t think you should have to pay MORE for your care. In the UK we all pay national insurance based on our monthly income. So it’s not based on your personal condition but purely on your wages. But maybe you shouldn’t be prioritised or be at the top of the waiting lists for treatment? Compared with people who develop the illness naturally or not from smoking

    Aušrinė Kuzaitė
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    4 years ago

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    This one is the only one that I agree on. People abusing wrong lifestyle should pay much more for their healthcare. We should start with body weight, all people with extremy obesity (like over 30 BMI, normal range is 19.5-25) should pay extra. If they want pay less they should loose weight. End.

    Yort
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    4 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hey guess what, getting to see a doctor regularly who can work with you on nutrition is helpful, but you can’t do that if you can’t pay for medical care. Also there are a lot of health issues that contribute to being overweight - PCOS for one.

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