Man Asks If He’s Wrong For Forbidding His Sis To See His 2-Year-Old And Also Asking His Wife To Butt Out Of It
The idea of family is often glamorized and exalted as this perfect social “fairy tale” purpose among people to strive for. It’s that “white picket fence, beautiful wife, two-and-a-half kids in the suburbs” sort of ideal that people think simply works.
Well, it can work, requires a lot of it, but nothing is really perfect. Family is as imperfect as the world is in The Wolf Among Us—a graphic mystery-drama where fairy tale characters are forced to live in our regular world with our regular problems, and in our regular ways. It’s no longer a fairy tale, in other words.
Take this man’s predicament: a brother to an estranged sister and son to an estranged mother, who caused a divide in the family by cheating on her husband, the man’s dad, who one day sees his sister attempting to reconcile their family relationship, but he wants none of it because the damage is done. But it just doesn’t stop.
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No family or relationship is perfect—these require loads of work to even happen in the first place, let alone maintain
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Reddit user u/thegoldenstitch recently turned to the r/AITA community for some perspective on a family matter. Well, families matter, multiple. But I digress.
For context, the Redditor is a husband and dad of a 2-year-old. He has an older sister, who’s also a family woman with 2 kids. His relationship with the sister is nonexistent due to a family thing that happened years back.
The said family thing was actually their parents’ divorce—the mother cheated on the dad, and so the fallout is the now-adult kids also got into an argument about it all. In short, the daughter sided with the mom because mom was sorry, and it was just one time, but OP was doubtful. They fell out and haven’t spoken for a number of years since.
But some resort to just letting it all go when their boundaries are not respected, instead of working on it
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So, when OP married, he explained the family dynamic she would have to deal with, and she was fine with that. Until now, that is. Some months ago, the wife got a call from OP’s sister’s husband, whom OP’s never met, saying he wants to start mending bridges. OP thought “no, thanks.”
Well, then the sister started reaching out to the wife by sending pictures of their kids, and the wife seemingly reciprocated. Great icebreaker, sure, but that irked OP something fierce. He has sat down with his wife multiple times, explaining how he feels about this whole situation and how she’s testing his boundaries. She, on the other hand, was having none of it, explaining that she can send pictures to whoever she wants.
The story goes that OP’s family was torn apart because of his mom’s infidelity, but one day his sister’s family started trying to mend bridges
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The wife’s argument was that it’s wrong to deprive their son of their extended family. OP, in turn, came back with explaining that the kid doesn’t have to have a relationship with them, especially since the dad doesn’t even have one. Let alone, OP’s lack of relationship meant that he doesn’t even know these people; for all intents and purposes, they’re strangers. This is besides the hint at his mother finally getting a chance to take part in her grandson’s life by means of pictures and the like.
The whole thing escalated to a degree where OP effectively told his wife to re-evaluate her priorities because he won’t tolerate her disrespecting his boundaries. He was even advised by his dad to start preparing for an exit plan.
OP, however, was having none of it since both his mother and sister were estranged, and he just couldn’t let himself forgive them
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And Reddit’s judging community on r/AITA were torn on this one. Those who defended OP argued that the wife knew what she was getting into right from the start—in fact, it’s a clause she agreed to and didn’t even care about. But this side of the fence also strongly suggested seeking counseling because this is a complex issue.
Those who argued against OP said that the kid isn’t him, and he can have a healthy relationship with his extended family. However, what triggered people on this side the most was OP’s “disposable” outlook on family—as if he can just get a divorce and start again. No, it doesn’t work that way.
Yet there were those who pointed fingers at everyone involved. For the reasons above, but also at the mom for cheating, at the two siblings for taking sides, at the dad for being manipulative and just plain bitter, among other reasons.
The situation escalated and got out of control when the wife got involved, pushing for reconciliation
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OP himself also addressed a couple of things in the comment section. Namely, that his wife’s family lives close, her siblings and his dad are all involved—it’s not like the son doesn’t have family—and the fact that he doesn’t want to forgive his mother because she has shown who she really is. “Whenever my dad wouldn’t take her back she started attacking his character, his wallet and his pride. She was a good mother until the divorce then her real colors came out.” This was besides crashing his wedding and other nuances.
Bored Panda got in touch with Counselor and Relationship Coach Shelley Lewin for some perspective and what the right thing to do is in this complicated situation.
Lewin explains that while it is technically possible for OP to continue living this way, the healthy solution is still forgiveness. “The journey of life is not about the destination but who you will become as you are transformed along the way. This gent could use this experience to be transformed if he is willing and able to reach for forgiveness,” explained Lewin.
Folks online were torn on the subject, providing arguments on all sides of the situation
Lewin continued: “Forgiveness for his mother of making an error in judgment and having an affair, which has since cost her the relationship with her husband AND son. Forgiveness of his father for allowing his own bitterness toward his wife to disconnect a child’s bond to his mother. Forgiveness of his wife and BIL for striving to repair and heal the ruptures of a family, rooted in one major ethical/moral error. Forgiveness of himself for proactively limiting the amount of care and love his own child could be receiving from his aunt, uncle, cousins and grandmother. Forgiveness of himself that the time passed has been lost, but recognize and seize the opportunity to change the current trajectory of separation, disconnection, drama and suffering.”
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Lewin also pointed out that, yes, OP could continue living his life with the existing divide, stay as he is, and to hold onto being self-righteous. But that pushes OP into a corner because this is teaching his son that, one, it’s OK to cut people out when they are not perfect, and two, being imperfect is unforgivable. So, if he himself makes a mistake, his son might prompt for the same decision-making.
So, that leads to the question of what does all of this mean for the wife and the kid? When it comes to the 2-year-old, if the dad continues to lowkey hide the extended family from the son, then the son won’t miss what he’s never had. The kid’s mom, OP’s wife, however, has the emotional maturity and power to make choices on behalf of the kid.
“She needs to determine what she perceives to be the worst of all the possible consequences and choose the best way forward,” elaborates Lewin. “She can choose to stay married to an unforgiving man and ensure that she AND her son NEVER make any errors in judgment, because the consequences of that will be brutal. She can choose to continue pushing to repair the ruptures of the family for the sake of her child’s relationship with the extended family, in the hope that he consequently gets to experience the love of many family members. She can choose to leave if she doesn’t want to live with the consequence of a hostile environment when acting in the best interest of her son.”
Shelley Lewin, also known as the Relationship Architect, is a certified SACAP Counsellor, PSYCH-K Master Facilitator, ICF PCC Coach, and a woman of many other talents with nearly two decades of experience in the field. Be sure to check out everything that Lewin does on her websites, and why not also follow her on her socials—LinkedIn, Facebook, and Instagram to learn more about all things relationships and self-care.
And while you’re doing all of that, be sure to also leave your thoughts on this situation, and your own verdict, in the comment section below!
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Share on FacebookMan, he is all about burning bridges. Of course the mom cheating is not okay but that is between her and her husband. No reason to take sides like that and break off all contact. And if the wife doesn't behave she's out and he will try again?? Dude needs some therapy. That is not boundaries.
He mentioned the mother is very religious and that could be a sign of more controlling behavior, as well as what she did in the divorce. He does not want to have contact with someone that cheated and then tried to drag the victim under her and go after his money & defame his character. It's not just about cheating. If he was hurt by this and wanted to cut her out of his life he has every right to. The wife knew how he felt, said "okay", and then *went behind his back* to do the very thing he wasn't okay with. And she's arguing about it and clearly not ashamed that she went behind his back. That doesn't sound like a good, loving partner to me. It sounds like the wife needs therapy, too. And, in the end, if she's so convinced she's right despite hurting him, what of it if he cuts her out of his life as well? Cutting people out that cause you pain isn't a bad thing.
Load More Replies...100% agree this is way over Reddit’s pay grade. There is a lot this guy needs to unpack from the issues stemming from his parents divorce. I don’t think he sees how badly it’s effecting his own marriage.
Absolutely agree! CawSoHard was completely right. This guy's reactions, while understandable, are TOTALLY out of whack and he needs to talk to a good therapist before he destroys all his relationships.
Load More Replies...People who come from close, warm, loving, and functional families just don’t understand people who come from broken/fractured, contentious, violent, cold, distant, and dysfunctional families. They’re always trying to manufacture some kind of reconciliation, without taking into consideration whether their SO even wants to reconcile, or worse, if reconciling will dredge up bad memories or allow the relatives to start playing their destructive and manipulative games again. No, better leave well enough alone, and let your SO make that decision without any interference from you. Not everyone had a fairytale childhood, and the sooner you wake up to that fact, the better.
Ah, but he said he was part of a close knit family until his mom had an affair.
Load More Replies...Wife's being an AH, and so is Sister. Men are allowed to go NC. His reasons are justified and rational. It's not okay for the wife to try to gaslight him into a relationship with toxic relatives -- and that's exactly what she's doing. After years of accepting this situation as it is, she suddenly (and without an actual reason) wants to change things. It would be different if she articulated a reason, but without one it's obvious what her reason is. She thinks he's lying. And rather than be honest, she's trying to undermine him. She's ignoring his reasons, trying to pretend that this doesn't make sense. If my Mom cheated on my father, didn't take responsibility, and tried to make him the bad guy --- hell yes I'd be suspicious and untrusting. The person who betrayed the relationship doesn't get a say in how other people respond. Nor do they get to decide when other people should be "over" it. These people, wife included, want to move on without addressing the past.
Not sure why you brought gender into it. If he wants to go no contact with mom, fine, but cutting off his sister because she thought mom deserved a second chance seems extreme as does threatening to dump his wife and child over this. And his wife wants to change things because the sister's family reached out and she thinks it would be nice for her son to know his cousins and other relatives. Hardly no reason. He seems rigid and controlling TBH particularly the way he quickly devolved into giving his wife ultimatums.
Load More Replies...I don't speak to 90 percent of my family. They are all bad people. It's ok to burn bridges. You don't have to care about people because they're "family" if someone tried to make me deal with those people, there would be h**l to pay.
Yes, but you know them so you can judge. Here half the commentors are advising to burn whatever he can, not having met any of them... The other half advise to mend, again sight unseen. This is basically ridiculous, "above Reddit's pay grade" as one stated correctly.
Load More Replies...My father cheated on my mother when I was young and she left him and took me with her. However, my mother would actually get angry whenever I spoke anything negative about him. “You don’t judge what you don’t understand,” she would say. “He’s your father and that’s all you need to know. No one is perfect.” Today I am so grateful for her outlook. She never forgave my father but she would never let me criticize him. People should not use their kids in this manner. You have become the a**hole because of your dad’s manipulation.
So, even though the OP clearly explained his mother proceeded to go after the husband’s money, and ran his name in the ground after the split, when SHE was the one who cheated, what you get from this is that the OP’s father is “manipulative”. Maybe you should re-read the article. Mom doesn’t get to have a fling, wreck her marriage, destroy her children’s lives, hide behind God’s forgiveness, and then insert herself back into her son’s family. She sounds like a real piece of garbage. Oh, and for all you folks out there, including the idiotic “therapist” quoted in the article who think cheating is no big deal, or that the OP has unrealistic standards, well, decent people don’t do that to each other, and once you show who and what you really are, don’t be surprised if you lose your loved ones. And it’s not about being “perfect” as the therapist said, it’s about being decent and caring about the feelings of your significant other, and your children. She’s a snake.
Load More Replies...I'm astonished by the number of people who jump to the divorce idea. If your wife or husband is someone you can divorce at the drop of the hat, why did you marry someone so expendable? My husband is my best friend. We forgive each other our mistakes and work through them. I couldn't imagine leaving him over something short of a double life with another family. Seriously. How do people marry people like that and call it love? It's so plastic.
Those are people that don't consider their spouse to be their partner, their equal. They have no respect for or understanding of what marriage actually is. The cycle will continue with their own children and that's so sad.
Load More Replies...NTA. Look, dude's got issues and therapy might help. But if one parent has cause to go NC with their family, the other parent should respect that. That shouldn't even be debatable. People have plenty of reasons to go NC. Some on the surface may seem benign, but people are also terrible at truly articulating what's at the heart of it. And usually some level of abuse is nested deep within it. Now, if you think the reason is dubious, rather than circumvent their wishes, encourage them to seek therapy to try to overcome it. But going behind their back like this is insane. It's betrayal of their trust.
If you think he's the a*****e, you probably had a better life than he did. I don't have a relationship with my siblings at all and we're all okay with that. We don't owe anyone anything. Not our blood relatives who treat us badly or a wife who won't respect how you feel. Their kid doesn't need to know his aunt and grandmother who treat him like s**t. They don't deserve him. Stop being so judgmental. This man has been through hell and high water with these people and is content. My mother was awful to me, as was my dad. When I moved out, I said goodbye once and for all and have been happy all 30 years since making the decision. His wife should have respected his wishes. I have no desire to know my sibling's children either. One reached out when she was 18 and I told her I appreciated the effort, but that it wasn't a good idea for her and I to have any kind of relationship as I wouldn't want it to cause any damage to her relationship with her mom. Leave this dude alone.
Nobody has any rights to see a child other than the child's own guardians. It doesn't matter how much the sister wants to see the kids, she is not their guardian and it is none of her business. OP and his wife should go to some sort of family counseling and she should hold back on talking to OP's sister until they come to an agreement
Man, he is all about burning bridges. Of course the mom cheating is not okay but that is between her and her husband. No reason to take sides like that and break off all contact. And if the wife doesn't behave she's out and he will try again?? Dude needs some therapy. That is not boundaries.
He mentioned the mother is very religious and that could be a sign of more controlling behavior, as well as what she did in the divorce. He does not want to have contact with someone that cheated and then tried to drag the victim under her and go after his money & defame his character. It's not just about cheating. If he was hurt by this and wanted to cut her out of his life he has every right to. The wife knew how he felt, said "okay", and then *went behind his back* to do the very thing he wasn't okay with. And she's arguing about it and clearly not ashamed that she went behind his back. That doesn't sound like a good, loving partner to me. It sounds like the wife needs therapy, too. And, in the end, if she's so convinced she's right despite hurting him, what of it if he cuts her out of his life as well? Cutting people out that cause you pain isn't a bad thing.
Load More Replies...100% agree this is way over Reddit’s pay grade. There is a lot this guy needs to unpack from the issues stemming from his parents divorce. I don’t think he sees how badly it’s effecting his own marriage.
Absolutely agree! CawSoHard was completely right. This guy's reactions, while understandable, are TOTALLY out of whack and he needs to talk to a good therapist before he destroys all his relationships.
Load More Replies...People who come from close, warm, loving, and functional families just don’t understand people who come from broken/fractured, contentious, violent, cold, distant, and dysfunctional families. They’re always trying to manufacture some kind of reconciliation, without taking into consideration whether their SO even wants to reconcile, or worse, if reconciling will dredge up bad memories or allow the relatives to start playing their destructive and manipulative games again. No, better leave well enough alone, and let your SO make that decision without any interference from you. Not everyone had a fairytale childhood, and the sooner you wake up to that fact, the better.
Ah, but he said he was part of a close knit family until his mom had an affair.
Load More Replies...Wife's being an AH, and so is Sister. Men are allowed to go NC. His reasons are justified and rational. It's not okay for the wife to try to gaslight him into a relationship with toxic relatives -- and that's exactly what she's doing. After years of accepting this situation as it is, she suddenly (and without an actual reason) wants to change things. It would be different if she articulated a reason, but without one it's obvious what her reason is. She thinks he's lying. And rather than be honest, she's trying to undermine him. She's ignoring his reasons, trying to pretend that this doesn't make sense. If my Mom cheated on my father, didn't take responsibility, and tried to make him the bad guy --- hell yes I'd be suspicious and untrusting. The person who betrayed the relationship doesn't get a say in how other people respond. Nor do they get to decide when other people should be "over" it. These people, wife included, want to move on without addressing the past.
Not sure why you brought gender into it. If he wants to go no contact with mom, fine, but cutting off his sister because she thought mom deserved a second chance seems extreme as does threatening to dump his wife and child over this. And his wife wants to change things because the sister's family reached out and she thinks it would be nice for her son to know his cousins and other relatives. Hardly no reason. He seems rigid and controlling TBH particularly the way he quickly devolved into giving his wife ultimatums.
Load More Replies...I don't speak to 90 percent of my family. They are all bad people. It's ok to burn bridges. You don't have to care about people because they're "family" if someone tried to make me deal with those people, there would be h**l to pay.
Yes, but you know them so you can judge. Here half the commentors are advising to burn whatever he can, not having met any of them... The other half advise to mend, again sight unseen. This is basically ridiculous, "above Reddit's pay grade" as one stated correctly.
Load More Replies...My father cheated on my mother when I was young and she left him and took me with her. However, my mother would actually get angry whenever I spoke anything negative about him. “You don’t judge what you don’t understand,” she would say. “He’s your father and that’s all you need to know. No one is perfect.” Today I am so grateful for her outlook. She never forgave my father but she would never let me criticize him. People should not use their kids in this manner. You have become the a**hole because of your dad’s manipulation.
So, even though the OP clearly explained his mother proceeded to go after the husband’s money, and ran his name in the ground after the split, when SHE was the one who cheated, what you get from this is that the OP’s father is “manipulative”. Maybe you should re-read the article. Mom doesn’t get to have a fling, wreck her marriage, destroy her children’s lives, hide behind God’s forgiveness, and then insert herself back into her son’s family. She sounds like a real piece of garbage. Oh, and for all you folks out there, including the idiotic “therapist” quoted in the article who think cheating is no big deal, or that the OP has unrealistic standards, well, decent people don’t do that to each other, and once you show who and what you really are, don’t be surprised if you lose your loved ones. And it’s not about being “perfect” as the therapist said, it’s about being decent and caring about the feelings of your significant other, and your children. She’s a snake.
Load More Replies...I'm astonished by the number of people who jump to the divorce idea. If your wife or husband is someone you can divorce at the drop of the hat, why did you marry someone so expendable? My husband is my best friend. We forgive each other our mistakes and work through them. I couldn't imagine leaving him over something short of a double life with another family. Seriously. How do people marry people like that and call it love? It's so plastic.
Those are people that don't consider their spouse to be their partner, their equal. They have no respect for or understanding of what marriage actually is. The cycle will continue with their own children and that's so sad.
Load More Replies...NTA. Look, dude's got issues and therapy might help. But if one parent has cause to go NC with their family, the other parent should respect that. That shouldn't even be debatable. People have plenty of reasons to go NC. Some on the surface may seem benign, but people are also terrible at truly articulating what's at the heart of it. And usually some level of abuse is nested deep within it. Now, if you think the reason is dubious, rather than circumvent their wishes, encourage them to seek therapy to try to overcome it. But going behind their back like this is insane. It's betrayal of their trust.
If you think he's the a*****e, you probably had a better life than he did. I don't have a relationship with my siblings at all and we're all okay with that. We don't owe anyone anything. Not our blood relatives who treat us badly or a wife who won't respect how you feel. Their kid doesn't need to know his aunt and grandmother who treat him like s**t. They don't deserve him. Stop being so judgmental. This man has been through hell and high water with these people and is content. My mother was awful to me, as was my dad. When I moved out, I said goodbye once and for all and have been happy all 30 years since making the decision. His wife should have respected his wishes. I have no desire to know my sibling's children either. One reached out when she was 18 and I told her I appreciated the effort, but that it wasn't a good idea for her and I to have any kind of relationship as I wouldn't want it to cause any damage to her relationship with her mom. Leave this dude alone.
Nobody has any rights to see a child other than the child's own guardians. It doesn't matter how much the sister wants to see the kids, she is not their guardian and it is none of her business. OP and his wife should go to some sort of family counseling and she should hold back on talking to OP's sister until they come to an agreement





























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