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What does it mean to be a "real" man? Well, masculinity is one of those topics everyone has an opinion on, as gender norms remain a delicate subject that tends to spark heated debates online. And even though public attitudes are becoming more accepting in many ways, stereotypical patterns of masculine behavior are still deeply rooted in our society — according to the age-old cliché of the masculine guy, men are expected to be strong, brave, and dominant.

But in reality, when people are telling everyone that a macho man doesn't cry, takes risks, makes money, fears nothing, and — heaven forbid! — never shows any signs of emotional vulnerability, it can spark some pretty warped ideas about manhood.

Thanks to one illuminating corner of Twitter called 'Hot Masculinity Takes,' we get to see a galore of absurd cases when this happens online. "Welcome to the Alpha Zone," says the account’s description, and you already know it’s gonna be a wild ride. So continue scrolling to check out the absolutely ridiculous opinions about men on the Internet, and don’t miss the chat we had about masculinity with licensed clinical psychologist Dr. Jesse Matthews right below.

Psst! After you’re done with this list, more madness awaits in Part 1 of this feature right here.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wanna punch the idiot who wrote this put down. And I’m an oh-so-estrogenic woman. My crushing lack of testosterone must be making me so irrational to say something like this. Isn’t it?🙄😤😡 Who is this misogynistic weirdo, to think he can be rude to the ladies and gentlemen like that? Bet he’s an insecure neckbeard.

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It’s hard to avoid encountering the term toxic masculinity these days. But as the person behind the account, who preferred to stay anonymous, told my colleague Rokas in a previous interview, this social media project is not purely about that. The philosophy of the page is to post the takes and let people make their own conclusions. "I do draw a lot from the manosphere but a lot of the takes are from women speaking about men, and I include left-wing hot takes too," the creator added.

A brief scroll through the list proves that harmful stereotypes about what it means to be a man are abundant in today’s society. But what exactly urges people to share their absurd statements without any second thought? And how can these ideas affect men seeking out their masculine identity?

To gain more insight on the topic from an expert, we reached out to Dr. Jesse Matthews, Psy.D., a licensed clinical psychologist based in Chester Springs, PA. According to him, ideas about masculinity have become quite polarized in our society.

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"As masculinity has moved away from the 'manly man' or 'tough guy' definitions, many people have not only clung to these stereotypes, but they have made them more extreme," Dr. Matthews told Bored Panda. This usually stems from people rejecting the changing views, and "social media in particular creates echo chambers for this, with various influencers carrying the flags for those who identify with their views."

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Joshua Russell
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah dudes marrying ladies is so gay, real men only marry other wait a minute how did I end up here

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wait so a man marrying a lady is gay now???? 😳 do they even know what gay means?

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Alison Hell
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Back in they day it meant that someone was happy...I'm guessing that's not the case here.

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tara
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With that enchanting attitude, I doubt the girl complaining will ever have to worry about that.

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Carole
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Or she'll start dating an asshôle, removing each other from the dating pool which is not a bad deal.

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Tessa Fontaine
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah yes, let’s go back to the 50’s instead, where men would abuse their partners if their steak was slightly overcooked.

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Alewa
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a straight woman I can confirm. Never married because a man asking to marry me is a sure proof of his gayness.

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Solidhog
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And most of her other posts are moaning about why she is single.

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Louie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don’t worry, no man will ever post s**t like this about you

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RainWingRoyal
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The fiancee in the picture looks really happy too! So clearly only the second person is that much of an idiot.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah screw this. We should all be so lucky to have adoring partners. Otherwise....what is the point, man?

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Michelle C
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d marry a guy like this because emotional honesty is fine with me!!

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Katherine Heasley
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5 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, a man being in love with a woman and wanting to spend his whole life with her is *so* gay!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Princess, it wasn't about you. Tell them congratulations and take your toxic attitude out for a spiced pumpkin chi, extra sugar. Maybe that will help you feel better about never having been in a healthy relationship. P.S. Slap your parents for raising you like that.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does the person who responded understand what an engagement leading to marriage is?

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damned right! A real man would have given you a backhand, told you to put that motherfυcking ring on your goddamned finger and written “shackled that bίtch so she don’t forget who she belongs to” in the post. Girl - there is help to get. Go get it.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This reminds me of another post I saw and both of them just make me sigh and shake my head

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So it's "gay" and "soft" to use a bit of humor when you announce that you're engaged? Somebody has issues and is in serious need of mental health care, and it's not the one with the sense of humor that got engaged.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Posted by a guy who can't even get a date, no doubt. Hate is all he's got.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

bruh. also, good for viking for popping the question! may they have many happy years together

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tell me you'll never find love because of your shitty personality without telling me about your shitty personality,.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Being happy and appreciating your significant other, that's gay. Lol

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fellas, is it gay to propose to your girlfriend? 🤔

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Frank Miller
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're right, he should have upgraded to an immature, shallow b***h, like you for example.

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TheLadyMagic
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Poor child, she's been treated badly, so long she thinks that's normal.

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Christoph
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

so WHAT is the female version of an incel??? "If" - I wouldn't worry

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fisHeads
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

U rly talking c**p about a dude with Danny Phantom as his pfp?

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't understand the point this person is trying to make.

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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I see comments which indicate that some people don't know that 'fiancée' is feminine, and 'fiancé' is masculine. I think this guy thinks 'fiancée' is masculine, and that the woman in the photo has been dumped.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Notice they say “if a man” not “if my man”, I suspect they are alone bc no one wants to put up with that attitude.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

she needn't worry so much. I'd imagine no man will ever post this about her, because with that attitude she'll never have a man who wants to be her fiancé.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what? A man who is nice and loving? DisgUSting!! How dare he show his partner he cares!

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Casey McAlister
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Damn right! Every self respecting straight man has a boyfriend, not a girlfriend!

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He could have said that ' we were tired of our gf/bf relationship, so we upgraded to a more responsible relationship '

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My bil told my husband we r in a toxic relationship cause no couple should want to around each other as much as we do

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shhhh let him...it's the universe's way of helping him to not procreate...natural selection I'm sure it's one of his mantras..

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A man in a relationship with a woman is the exact opposite of gay. What is that idiot talking about?

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While we all bear different perspectives on the world around us, masculinity especially can be a very deep rabbit hole with a variety of different viewpoints. But Dr. Matthews raised an important question: why do these ideas matter so much to people?

"Obviously, it’s part of life for any guy or anyone who identifies with masculinity, but the obsession with being a 'real man' is more based in insecurity. The person essentially needs to ensure that they present a masculine enough identity to avoid judgment or being called out as not masculine by other guys," the psychologist explained.

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Men who are insecure about their manliness exhibit behavior that is often exaggerated and even caricature-like. But Dr. Matthews says there’s also irony at play here. "Many of these individuals would tell you that being a real man means just doing your thing and not caring about what anyone thinks about it. However, one can’t simultaneously obsess over portraying an ultramasculine image, yet claim to be unconcerned about judgment. It just doesn’t compute."

Hypermasculinity — or toxic masculinity as it’s usually called — is also based on the false belief that masculinity needs to be saved, Dr. Matthews argued. "In the same way that some people seem to be afraid that racism or homophobia might one day die out. So they embrace stereotypes, or how they think things 'should' be or were in 'the good old days.'"

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, so a man drinking a fruity drink sounds like a great way to filter out super shallow people. Drink up men, the fruity drinks are the best.

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But putting men (half of the world’s population!) in a box can seriously harm their well-being. "It’s limiting at best, and at worst it leads people to play into these stereotypes." For example, hypermasculinity often makes people act in ways "that are sexist or homophobic, or at least not challenging others on this kind of behavior."

"It also has the power to create toxic environments, uncomfortable for women or men viewed as not masculine, and of course to lead to situations involving sexual assault," Dr. Matthews continued. "As well, if these men carry on these thoughts and behaviors through adulthood, they may pass them down to their children or other young people they come into contact with, like kids they are teaching, coaching, and so on."

According to the American Psychological Association (APA), instilling elements of traditional masculinity into men and boys can be psychologically harmful, as it has been shown to limit their development, constrain their behavior, and result in gender role conflict. What’s more, it can negatively influence their mental and physical health.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This screams red flag all over. Anyone under that height is usually underage (with the exception of naturally petite women).

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And men wonder why we women have a tendency to come off as cold, closed-off, and wary with men we dont know. Obviously, even the men we DO think we know can be a danger to us.

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For men who try to seek out their identity and find a healthy relationship with their inner guy, these societal pressures and expectations can be especially burdensome. "It can be hard for people to stand out or to be seen as going against those around them. For example, a male raised in a family or in a community with traditional masculine stereotypes may find it hard to explore or adopt a less stereotyped identity," Dr. Matthews said, adding the person is likely to be criticized, punished, or excluded for it.

Unfortunately, most people who are raised in stereotyped environments tend to internalize those behavior patterns. Psychologist Matthews explained this happens because they don’t know anything else and it feels right to them, or they feel pressure to fit in.

"This can mean demonstrating extreme or toxic masculinity, as not only could one fit in that way, but he could be praised or more highly valued in the group for it." And, alarmingly, "in places like prisons where this applies, it could actually help you to survive."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Only the most insecure men use words like alpha and beta males. Do they not realize how it makes them sound?

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Extreme views like the painfully ridiculous ones featured on 'Hot Masculinity Takes' are rarely a positive thing. But as the modern world now teaches us, the subject matter is much less black-and-white.

"Masculinity is not simply the opposite of femininity, just as it is not synonymous with heterosexuality," Dr. Matthews noted. "Many people today see being masculine as being calm and controlled vs angry and reactive, being a good problem solver rather than one who relies on brute force to solve everything, or standing up for other people or what’s right vs trying to control or overpower others."

What people see as healthy masculinity may differ, but generally, we can all foster it by not judging other people. "This means not being worried about what other men are doing and giving people the space to be themselves," Dr. Matthews added. "We can all do what we want to do and believe what we want to believe. Masculinity isn’t going anywhere, so people don’t need to try to be the protectors of it or to act in stereotyped ways to let people know they exist."

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Mmm, yes, let's never stop living with perpetual brutality, chaos, and death.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

High blood pressure, obesity, high blood sugar, malnutrition, but I can't think of any real reasons.

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Many men in Dr. Matthews’s practice have never gone to therapy before, and some wouldn't even be expected to be found in a psychologist’s office at first glance. But they are sure glad they did. "This idea of what it really means to be a man and the positive and negative ways in which they have lived this is a frequent topic of conversation."

"I would encourage anyone concerned with issues of identity, including ideas about masculinity, to start reflecting on it in some kind of organized way. Don’t just watch videos by your favorite IG or Tik Tok influencers, but start journaling, reading books, or going and seeing a therapist. It really can change your life," Dr. Matthews concluded.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Picturing this guy putting together flat-pack furniture without instructions ('cause those are for girls) and when his shelf turns into a table, he just throws it through the wall. Because bro

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BREAKING NEWS: WORK COLLEAGUES OFTEN ENGAGE AS FRIENDS WITH EACH OTHER. MORE ON THIS AT 11.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Say you're insecure about your masculinity without saying you're insecure about your masculinity

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

James Butler is a septic tank guy on TikTok and YouTube who has a 'manly' job, but also decent general advice about being a boss of a company. It's not all dancing and "challenges" on TikTok.

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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone else think that the whole alpha, beta, sigma whatever is just dude bro astrology?

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