Friend Goes Ballistic When Couple Has To Bring 2YO On Trip, Claims He Ruined Everything
Interview With ExpertGroup trips are super fun as you get to be around people you like and do interesting things together. Traveling like this with friends and loved ones can only work well if everyone is on the same page and makes a few compromises so that nobody feels burdened or left out.
Unfortunately, this didn’t happen on a trip where a child-free lady got mad at her friends for bringing their toddler along as they couldn’t find a last-minute babysitter. She had previously agreed to the kid being there, then later changed her mind.
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Some people don’t like having little kids around, especially when they want to just hang out with their friends
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The poster shared that their friend group had decided to take a 5-day trip together and that only a single dad’s kid and their toddler would be allowed along
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One of their friends who didn’t like kids, Zoe, reluctantly agreed to their children coming along but changed her mind when the single dad said his child wouldn’t be coming
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Unfortunately, the poster and his wife couldn’t find a last-minute babysitter, so they brought their son along and tried to keep him away from Zoe as much as possible
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Zoe still complained about the arrangements, blocked them on social media, and said that they ruined her trip
For starters, it’s interesting to note is that the child-free friend, Zoe, openly avoided kids, and the people in her life knew that she didn’t like children. Despite that, they often felt that she took her distaste a bit too far and made things difficult for other people who had little ones.
To understand more about people who choose not to have kids, Bored Panda reached out to Kristen Tsetsi, author of the childfree-informed novel ‘The Age Of The Child.’ She said: “of course, all child-free people don’t hate or dislike children. Unfortunately, if there’s one rude person, people use them as a representative sample of an entire group.”
We also asked Katrin Berndt for her opinion on the situation. She’s an online Swedish teacher and language content creator who made a video on being child-free by choice. She told us that “it doesn’t matter if it’s based on this story or reality, of course, not all child-free people hate or dislike kids. That’s a ridiculous statement. Some do, some don’t.”
“I’d say the majority probably don’t, but a lot of us do dislike the concept of children and prefer not to spend time with them. It has little to nothing to do with the children themselves. Children are very much allowed to exist and be just that: children. It’s not wrong to not enjoy the concept of kids, just like we don’t expect everyone to love animals or drunk people,” she explained.
Even though Zoe disliked kids she had agreed that it was okay if her friends’ two young children were being brought on the trip. Unfortunately, when one man’s child fell ill, and he couldn’t bring her along, Zoe immediately expected the OP and his wife to find a sitter for their son. She didn’t realize that they would have a tough time doing so.
Kristen Tsetsi weighed in and said: “I think the couple with the child was right. They’d already planned to bring their child on the trip. The friend was needlessly rude about it. There’s no reason to believe that if she loved children, she wouldn’t behave the same way in other areas of her life if her expectations or desires weren’t met.”
Katrin Berndt mentioned that the “child-free woman acted in a very immature way. I get that she might have had thoughts and opinions about the situation, and sure, when the possibility of a child-free trip reappeared in her mind, bringing the child ‘ruined’ that for her all over again. It’s fine to have those thoughts, but keep them to yourself.”
“She needs to grow up and take responsibility for her preferences. If it was agreed upon that children were welcome, she can’t just switch sides days before. I think most child-free people understand that parents need to plan ahead and can’t just be spontaneous all the time. Which is why a lot of us choose not to have them (among other reasons, of course, haha),” she added.
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It’s clear that Zoe didn’t want any kids to be brought along on the trip, so she jumped at the chance of being able to just hang out with her friends. Sadly, she didn’t communicate well with the OP and his wife, so she spent the entire vacation fuming and getting annoyed.
Kristen told us that “both could respect each other and ask what their expectations are, what the realities are, and what each is comfortable accepting. Most child-free people don’t hate kids (which is not to say we’re required to want to be around them), and most people call others their friends because they love and care about them, so they have mutual respect for each other and their comfort zones.”
The OP’s son and Zoe were around each other a total of four times during the trip. The parents made sure to keep the kid away from her and were intensely aware of her discomfort. Despite that, she blocked them on social media, and got extremely angry with the whole situation.
Katrin weighed on this, saying” “honestly, I think most parents understand that kids can be a lot. Sure, there are parents who just cannot wrap their heads around why others wouldn’t want to hang out with their kids, but a lot of parents need a break from their own kids from time to time, too! So just being open and honest about it and saying you’d rather hang out without kids is perfectly fine!”
“As a child-free friend, you have to be very patient. If you’re determined to keep the friendship going, you can, but some friends are also just in your life for a season. That season might be over. Or perhaps they’ll come back to you once their kids are older and they have more time.”
“We choose not to have children for a lot of reasons related to freedom, flexibility, spontaneity, economy, and so on. That means we understand that those who do have children don’t have all the same options that we do. The woman in this story acted like she didn’t understand that whatsoever, which is silly,” Katrin mentioned.
Friendship is all about understanding and being there for one another even when the situation is difficult. In this case, the OP probably realized that Zoe wasn’t such a good friend and that she couldn’t adjust to their needs at all.
Who do you think was right in this situation? What would you have done if you were the poster?
Most people felt that Zoe was being unreasonable and not a good friend to the couple
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I agree with the, "Why are you friends with this person?" comments.
Same. And I’m not overly comfortable around kids myself. I’d end myself before píssing and moaning about an - mark you - INVITED kid, and why the holy hell did she come if it was such a waking horror? An adult human being who can’t regulate themselves enough to not ostracize a child for existing needs to be fυcking ashamed, and they need professional help. It’s just pathological at this point. Your friends have kids, you egofixated dυmbass; learn how to deal with the fact or change friends. What a total weirdo. Me being nervous around kids is so very much a me problem, same goes for her.
Load More Replies...I mean, I really don’t like kids either, but I would never pull this c**p with my friends. Hell, I babysit for them. Why? BECAUSE THEY’RE FRIENDS.
In my experience, people who don't like children vary. I can understand adults who don't enjoy them and simply avoid interacting with them. Or they might be annoyed that children will inhibit what they can say or do. The ones that intrigue me are the ones that despise children to the point where a child's presence enrages them and they rant against children and parents. Can someone explain why an adult would be so outraged and bitter? I knew someone who made hating parents and children part of her personality.
I honestly can't fathom it either. And ALL adults were children once. I don't expect everyone to be all cutsie and friendly with kids, but being so mean-spirited is ridiculous.
Load More Replies...Personally, I wouldn't want to spend my holiday with little kids about so I would probably have invented some excuse not to go. However, this Zoe behaves like a spoilt toddler and I cope way better with kids having meltdowns than adults having them, so id take a load of kids over her anyday. (I do like children, just don't want to spend holidays with them)
It sounds like the ACTUAL toddler in this situation was Zoe, not Sam.
Seriously, tell Zoe to go f**k herself (coming from someone who also hates kids)
She knew it was going to be a problem, she should have avoided the situation.
I don't like kids, either. But I'll interact with them because they're my friends' spawn and I know they're a package deal.
I don't like children 😒 and avoid them, but I'm still polite and acknowledge them nicely. It isn't a kids fault I don't like them. This Zoe is nasty. What does she do in a restaurant or store where children are included? Find other friends, she isn't worth your time or trouble.
Zoe could have easily skipped the event. I don't care for children, but I also know I'm very much in the minority. I would have bowed out gracefully and saved everyone the aggravation. She didn't get her way and is acting out this way? Sounds like god's atomic powered killjoy that needs to be removed from the friend group.
Look, I'm not kid friendly either! But I'll be damned if I'm going to pull some s**t like that! I won't go out of my way to babysit or anything, but I wouldn't be that much of an AHm
People suck…kids can be great! My good friend has a neurodivergent (ASD) son and I love that kid to pieces! She always offers to get a sitter for him when we meet up for trips but I insist she brings him…he’s part of her after all! :)
Next time plan the trip with all the kids and do not invite Zoe. It'll be MUCH more fun!
Next time plan the trip with all the kids and do invite Zoe. It'll be MUCH more fun!
Load More Replies...At what point does "not liking children" become a form of bigotry? Replace "children" with "black people" or "women" or whatever, and it looks awful, but for some reason this idea that it's perfectly fine for people to assume all children are the same, and to automatically dislike them to the point that everyone else has to actively keep them away is ridiculous.
I would tell her it's to late to change the plans and Grandma can no longer keep him. Everybody else said it was OK and her a*s needs to get over it or she can STAY HOME herself.
People are entitled to being childfree. My best friend is. But here's the deal for me: I have children. We are a package deal. I can occasionally work things out so that I can do something without the kids, but generally I can't. So I do most things with my children. If you don't want to be around my children, then we can't be friends. It really is as simple as that.
Here is the thing, I get it if the OP's child is badly raised. But focusing this much on, "I saw the kid 4 times and maybe heard his voice some more, and now my vacation is ruined." Is just bull. I hate kids, don't want anything to do with them, but when my friend brings her kid along I make sure there is something the kid can play with. Mostly cause I know her mother never brings anything and just assumes a 4 year old is fine sitting still listening to the grownups talking.
In future, keep Zoe well away from your child. She could be dangerous if she's this unhinged.
Maybe don't all stay in the same place next time. Zoe could stay in a hotel or her own Airbnb.
So the little kid behaved, but the big baby is still mad?!!!
Can anybody tell me why "I don't like children" is OK? Is "I don't like old people", or "I don't like the physically disabled" OK? Why don't people talk about being "parent-free" when they don't have parents? Whether to have kids is a personal choice, but I'm sorry, a blanket dislike of children is a mental disorder, and a person who "dislikes kids" should talk to their therapist about it, because it is a pathology. We are evolutionarily programmed to like kids. PS. There are, of course, kids who are not likeable, but that is the same as for adults, though most of the time it's their parents.
When you put social pressure on people to have kids whether they like it or not (or can afford them or not) it eventually crumbles and the pendulum swings in the opposite direction. Now, the societal pressure has swapped to "f your kids".
Load More Replies...At least she TRIED to ruin the trip. I think that she ended up punishing herself far better than anyone else could.
Load More Replies...Why in the name of God's Green Earth are any of you even SPEAKING TO THIS B*TICH
She IS horrible. She must have been weaned too early.
Load More Replies...I don't like children. I have a feeling I'd prefer a day with toddlers over an hour with Zoe. She sounds insufferable. It's okay to eliminate so-called friends from your life when they show their true colors.
I agree with the, "Why are you friends with this person?" comments.
Same. And I’m not overly comfortable around kids myself. I’d end myself before píssing and moaning about an - mark you - INVITED kid, and why the holy hell did she come if it was such a waking horror? An adult human being who can’t regulate themselves enough to not ostracize a child for existing needs to be fυcking ashamed, and they need professional help. It’s just pathological at this point. Your friends have kids, you egofixated dυmbass; learn how to deal with the fact or change friends. What a total weirdo. Me being nervous around kids is so very much a me problem, same goes for her.
Load More Replies...I mean, I really don’t like kids either, but I would never pull this c**p with my friends. Hell, I babysit for them. Why? BECAUSE THEY’RE FRIENDS.
In my experience, people who don't like children vary. I can understand adults who don't enjoy them and simply avoid interacting with them. Or they might be annoyed that children will inhibit what they can say or do. The ones that intrigue me are the ones that despise children to the point where a child's presence enrages them and they rant against children and parents. Can someone explain why an adult would be so outraged and bitter? I knew someone who made hating parents and children part of her personality.
I honestly can't fathom it either. And ALL adults were children once. I don't expect everyone to be all cutsie and friendly with kids, but being so mean-spirited is ridiculous.
Load More Replies...Personally, I wouldn't want to spend my holiday with little kids about so I would probably have invented some excuse not to go. However, this Zoe behaves like a spoilt toddler and I cope way better with kids having meltdowns than adults having them, so id take a load of kids over her anyday. (I do like children, just don't want to spend holidays with them)
It sounds like the ACTUAL toddler in this situation was Zoe, not Sam.
Seriously, tell Zoe to go f**k herself (coming from someone who also hates kids)
She knew it was going to be a problem, she should have avoided the situation.
I don't like kids, either. But I'll interact with them because they're my friends' spawn and I know they're a package deal.
I don't like children 😒 and avoid them, but I'm still polite and acknowledge them nicely. It isn't a kids fault I don't like them. This Zoe is nasty. What does she do in a restaurant or store where children are included? Find other friends, she isn't worth your time or trouble.
Zoe could have easily skipped the event. I don't care for children, but I also know I'm very much in the minority. I would have bowed out gracefully and saved everyone the aggravation. She didn't get her way and is acting out this way? Sounds like god's atomic powered killjoy that needs to be removed from the friend group.
Look, I'm not kid friendly either! But I'll be damned if I'm going to pull some s**t like that! I won't go out of my way to babysit or anything, but I wouldn't be that much of an AHm
People suck…kids can be great! My good friend has a neurodivergent (ASD) son and I love that kid to pieces! She always offers to get a sitter for him when we meet up for trips but I insist she brings him…he’s part of her after all! :)
Next time plan the trip with all the kids and do not invite Zoe. It'll be MUCH more fun!
Next time plan the trip with all the kids and do invite Zoe. It'll be MUCH more fun!
Load More Replies...At what point does "not liking children" become a form of bigotry? Replace "children" with "black people" or "women" or whatever, and it looks awful, but for some reason this idea that it's perfectly fine for people to assume all children are the same, and to automatically dislike them to the point that everyone else has to actively keep them away is ridiculous.
I would tell her it's to late to change the plans and Grandma can no longer keep him. Everybody else said it was OK and her a*s needs to get over it or she can STAY HOME herself.
People are entitled to being childfree. My best friend is. But here's the deal for me: I have children. We are a package deal. I can occasionally work things out so that I can do something without the kids, but generally I can't. So I do most things with my children. If you don't want to be around my children, then we can't be friends. It really is as simple as that.
Here is the thing, I get it if the OP's child is badly raised. But focusing this much on, "I saw the kid 4 times and maybe heard his voice some more, and now my vacation is ruined." Is just bull. I hate kids, don't want anything to do with them, but when my friend brings her kid along I make sure there is something the kid can play with. Mostly cause I know her mother never brings anything and just assumes a 4 year old is fine sitting still listening to the grownups talking.
In future, keep Zoe well away from your child. She could be dangerous if she's this unhinged.
Maybe don't all stay in the same place next time. Zoe could stay in a hotel or her own Airbnb.
So the little kid behaved, but the big baby is still mad?!!!
Can anybody tell me why "I don't like children" is OK? Is "I don't like old people", or "I don't like the physically disabled" OK? Why don't people talk about being "parent-free" when they don't have parents? Whether to have kids is a personal choice, but I'm sorry, a blanket dislike of children is a mental disorder, and a person who "dislikes kids" should talk to their therapist about it, because it is a pathology. We are evolutionarily programmed to like kids. PS. There are, of course, kids who are not likeable, but that is the same as for adults, though most of the time it's their parents.
When you put social pressure on people to have kids whether they like it or not (or can afford them or not) it eventually crumbles and the pendulum swings in the opposite direction. Now, the societal pressure has swapped to "f your kids".
Load More Replies...At least she TRIED to ruin the trip. I think that she ended up punishing herself far better than anyone else could.
Load More Replies...Why in the name of God's Green Earth are any of you even SPEAKING TO THIS B*TICH
She IS horrible. She must have been weaned too early.
Load More Replies...I don't like children. I have a feeling I'd prefer a day with toddlers over an hour with Zoe. She sounds insufferable. It's okay to eliminate so-called friends from your life when they show their true colors.






















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