Company Demands Employee Bring A Doctor’s Note To Prove They’re Sick, Regrets It When The Doctor Writes A Fake One
Company policy. Two words that can sometimes do the organization more harm than good. And this example perfectly proves it. Recently, Reddit user /u/jaxmagicman made a post on r/MaliciousCompliance, talking about the time he got food poisoning. The company /u/jaxmagicman works for requires employees to bring a doctor’s note when they’re sick and refuses to make any exceptions. Even if the worker will miss more days than they would otherwise…
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When talking with senior managers of a large company, Liezl Groenewald from Ethics Institute heard one of them ask whether it is okay to bend the rules from time to time if it is for the greater good of the company.
“Performance-based judgment calls are managerial decisions to bend the rules because, in doing so, company or individual performance will be enhanced,” Groenewald wrote. “This is typically related to rewarding employees for good performance by making exceptions to established rules.”
“Faulty rules refer to ambiguous, out-dated or simply wrong rules in the eyes of the manager.”
Moreover, a study by the Academy of Management Executives (USA) revealed that 70% of executives bend company rules. When asked why they do so, they mentioned three rationales for rule-bending, namely performance–based judgement calls, faulty rules and socially embedded norms.
“Organisations need to build a culture where the emphasis is on following the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. A code of ethics should thus not be predominantly rules-based, but rather a combination of rules- and values-based.”
Here’s what people had to say about the whole situation
everyone acting like it's almost a crime while here in switzerland it's normal
Like in germany. I guess, in most european countries "social" just doesn't equal "communist" like in the USA.
Load More Replies...Everywhere I've ever worked requires a note to come back to work after missing three consecutive days. Mostly to prove you are well enough to work, and not going to infect other people.
I live in germany. That is completly normal here. But it is also normal here that you have unlimited sick leave. There are some rules, so you get a paycut after the first 6 weeks of being sick, but with one day at work the 6 weeks with full sick pay start again. Also that is enforced by law. Nothing a company can choose. If you are not living in a third world country a healthcare like that should be normal. The only downside is, you have to have proof so that idiots have it harder to scam the system that is here to save the weakest. Because of that, one day leaves are rare, cause a lot of companys want a doctors note also for the first day. But it is better vor your health to have some time for recovery. Overall I love our system after realizing how unhuman a lot of countries are in this regard. Two years before I didn't had to struggle with my 7 weeks of sick leave cause I can't work with a broken arm.
That's not quite right. The six weeks only start again if you have a NEW illness. If you've had a particular illness and you had your six weeks of fully paid leave you can't just go back for one day and the six weeks start again. In that case you'll get 'Krankengeld' instead of 'Lohnweiterzahlun'.
Load More Replies...We have to prove we're sick in Italy. Our family doctor has to write a note. But our sick leave is paid. We have paid sick leave for 18 months every 3 years.
Pretty much the same here. I can't even understand why should anyone believe that you were sick for a week just because you say so.
Load More Replies...In the US going to the doc is an expensive venture, and probably less than half the people have any kind of paid sick leave. So you're missing wages you can't afford to miss, then paying through the nose to go to a doctor for a piece of paper that says you have a cold. So we all work while sick. Frankly, if we can drive, we'll go to work instead of a doctor. Few can afford it.
Load More Replies...I've never required a sick note, I never will. If you're sick, you should probably be staying home anyhow. But then, I don't treat my employees like c**p, so I know i can trust them.
So much truth in this statement. I work for a small business and they treat us like people (or grown a*s adults like the article stated) because they trust us to make the right decision for our health and the health of others. No one in the office abuses this privilege because we respect our boss and other employees. If I need a personal day or mental health day I can take that too so long as I don't go over the allotted sick and vacation time. It is amazing how if you treat your employees well and trust them that they will do the same for you. I have never worked a big corporate job so I can see why this may not work in that setting, but that is also one of the reasons I don't have a big corporate job!
Load More Replies...If I have a cold, I need to stay at home! A doctor can not do anything for you, and all you are doing is spreading your germs. When you force "notes" you are encouraging people to go to work sick... " I don't feel that sick yet". That guarantees I will probably be getting sick in the next few days.
Why is a note encouraging people to go to work sick? Or is that again because of the failed US healthcare? Cause in modern countries there is no real struggle to get a diagnose from a proffesional. Cause we have unlimited paid sick leave by law, we encourage people to stay at home if they are sick. I think that is the better way then making doctors too expensive for half of the citizens.
Load More Replies...I had a similar situation. Just a cold that my dr could do nothing for except tell me to hydrate and rest. When I told her I came in for a note she asked me "how many days would you like off" and wrote it accordingly.
I work for one of the largest Banks in the U.S. They DO NOT require a note when you are out. They don't even ask for death certificates if you have to attend a funeral. I have never had a company ask me for a doctor's note when I was out for being sick. There was 1 time I did ask my doctor for a note just to cover my @$$ since I was out for about 8 days with the flu.
everyone acting like it's almost a crime while here in switzerland it's normal
Like in germany. I guess, in most european countries "social" just doesn't equal "communist" like in the USA.
Load More Replies...Everywhere I've ever worked requires a note to come back to work after missing three consecutive days. Mostly to prove you are well enough to work, and not going to infect other people.
I live in germany. That is completly normal here. But it is also normal here that you have unlimited sick leave. There are some rules, so you get a paycut after the first 6 weeks of being sick, but with one day at work the 6 weeks with full sick pay start again. Also that is enforced by law. Nothing a company can choose. If you are not living in a third world country a healthcare like that should be normal. The only downside is, you have to have proof so that idiots have it harder to scam the system that is here to save the weakest. Because of that, one day leaves are rare, cause a lot of companys want a doctors note also for the first day. But it is better vor your health to have some time for recovery. Overall I love our system after realizing how unhuman a lot of countries are in this regard. Two years before I didn't had to struggle with my 7 weeks of sick leave cause I can't work with a broken arm.
That's not quite right. The six weeks only start again if you have a NEW illness. If you've had a particular illness and you had your six weeks of fully paid leave you can't just go back for one day and the six weeks start again. In that case you'll get 'Krankengeld' instead of 'Lohnweiterzahlun'.
Load More Replies...We have to prove we're sick in Italy. Our family doctor has to write a note. But our sick leave is paid. We have paid sick leave for 18 months every 3 years.
Pretty much the same here. I can't even understand why should anyone believe that you were sick for a week just because you say so.
Load More Replies...In the US going to the doc is an expensive venture, and probably less than half the people have any kind of paid sick leave. So you're missing wages you can't afford to miss, then paying through the nose to go to a doctor for a piece of paper that says you have a cold. So we all work while sick. Frankly, if we can drive, we'll go to work instead of a doctor. Few can afford it.
Load More Replies...I've never required a sick note, I never will. If you're sick, you should probably be staying home anyhow. But then, I don't treat my employees like c**p, so I know i can trust them.
So much truth in this statement. I work for a small business and they treat us like people (or grown a*s adults like the article stated) because they trust us to make the right decision for our health and the health of others. No one in the office abuses this privilege because we respect our boss and other employees. If I need a personal day or mental health day I can take that too so long as I don't go over the allotted sick and vacation time. It is amazing how if you treat your employees well and trust them that they will do the same for you. I have never worked a big corporate job so I can see why this may not work in that setting, but that is also one of the reasons I don't have a big corporate job!
Load More Replies...If I have a cold, I need to stay at home! A doctor can not do anything for you, and all you are doing is spreading your germs. When you force "notes" you are encouraging people to go to work sick... " I don't feel that sick yet". That guarantees I will probably be getting sick in the next few days.
Why is a note encouraging people to go to work sick? Or is that again because of the failed US healthcare? Cause in modern countries there is no real struggle to get a diagnose from a proffesional. Cause we have unlimited paid sick leave by law, we encourage people to stay at home if they are sick. I think that is the better way then making doctors too expensive for half of the citizens.
Load More Replies...I had a similar situation. Just a cold that my dr could do nothing for except tell me to hydrate and rest. When I told her I came in for a note she asked me "how many days would you like off" and wrote it accordingly.
I work for one of the largest Banks in the U.S. They DO NOT require a note when you are out. They don't even ask for death certificates if you have to attend a funeral. I have never had a company ask me for a doctor's note when I was out for being sick. There was 1 time I did ask my doctor for a note just to cover my @$$ since I was out for about 8 days with the flu.





















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