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Anti-Vaxx Mom Asks How To Protect Her Unvaccinated 3-Year-Old From The Measles Outbreak, Internet Delivers
Karolina Wv Community member 664
Having recently run a post about an enterprising 15-year-old looking to protect himself from preventable diseases after his parents let him down, now we have the other side of the coin. In the midst of a measles outbreak in Washington state, in an area with a higher-than-average percentage of measles vaccine exemptions (what a coincidence!), one anti-vaccination mom has looked for advice on how to protect her 3-year-old from the measles.
“My 3-year-old is not vaccinated and there is currently a measles outbreak in my state,” she wrote in a group called Vaccine Education Network: Natural Health Anti-Vaxxers Community. “Any suggestions for precautions I can take to protect her would be very much appreciated.”
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Hmm. If only there were a tried and tested method with which to protect people from infectious diseases. Perhaps one that led to measles being declared eliminated in the United States in the year 2000? This achievement is something that the recent rise in unvaccinated children is sadly threatening to overturn, which is why the anti-vaxx movement must be confronted for the good of public health.
Needless to say, the mom certainly got a response from the pro-vaccination crowd as the post was widely shared, and some of the best roasts were hilarious if a little dark at times. Because if people refuse to listen to data and evidence and choose to endanger their children with their stubbornness, what else can you do? Scroll down below for a cathartic dose of black humor, and let us know what you think in the comments.
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hobbitly 6 years ago
'Dont get too attached' hahahahhaha. These replies are the best. I wonder what she decided to do.
Misterscooter 6 years ago
She probably decided to trust the underwhelming evidence against vaccines.
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Damien Coté 6 years ago
@Chris Kelly, Nice job pointing to a study that was redacted https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/ If you are redacted on an open source journal, you know your work is absolutely trash
Tim 6 years ago
@Damien Coté It's pointless to point out when BS studies have been debunked. They don't care, they will just scream that any falsification is a deep state big pharma conspiracy. I can't tell you how many people on articles like this STILL cite the Wakefield study on articles like this as if they are dropping some titanic knowledge bomb.
Hattusa Hittite 6 years ago
She's afraid that vaccinating your child makes you a liberal and then that child would grow up opening the border to rapist Mexicans.
Joe Clarke 6 years ago
Probably smoked some weed and took some of the joke-suggestions seriously.
chris kelley 6 years ago
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OH like this report Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Mawson Homeschooled Study Reveals Who is Sicker Children's Medical Safety Research Institute http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook This is a valid study
Josip Gale 6 years ago
@chris kelley... "assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports" is not a study. If you want a _proper_ study, there are two of them - covering more than two million children - saying the rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
"Autism was discovered before vaccines were available." Now correlate them. What stupid people!
826WLR 6 years ago
She is someone seeking medical advice for her child on facebook.....she may just eat two tide pods and chase them with bleach as advised. This winner is clearly not a critical thinker.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
She should have done that before she got pregnant. It would have been better for the kid!
Monika Soffronow 6 years ago
I had the measles when I was six years old, before the measles vaccine was available, and I remember two things from it. One is drifting in and out of fever hallucinations and the other is banging my heels on the wooden footboard of my parents' bed to try to get relief from the terrible itching. How's that for "pain relief"? If you even as much as like your children, vaccinate them!
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
I was 17 before the MMR vaccine was available--and when it came on the market, my doctor and my mother made sure I got them all. More to the point, I was 18 months old before the polio vaccine was released. I think my mother broke every speed limit getting me to my pediatrician--because she'd seen children with polio. Anti-vaxxers are too stupid to live. Unfortunately, it's not THEIR lives they're playing Russian Roulette with.
diane a 6 years ago
Makes me wonder how many antivax parents would under-report measles symptoms until it became desperate. And how many antivax parents would be proud of their slightly autistic child's special talents whilst denying they were even on the spectrum.
Simon Pedoe 6 years ago
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Eunice Probert 6 years ago
My daughter was vaccinated and still got measles and chicken pox. But, she got them so lightly it was ridiculous! Scarcely ill at all.
Nicole Benoit 6 years ago
And that's the whole point ! Nothing is 100% guaranteed but your body now has those antibodies to kno to fight, making everything mite tolerable. The flu is a virus and guess what, that's why there isn't a cure for it or the common cold. They mutate. But at least if you get it, you're not feeling like death for a week and a half and/or being hospitalized.
Load More Replies... Whawhawhatsis 6 years ago
A week and a half? Try a MONTH. I came down with an awful case of flu nearly 40 years ago, I think before there were readily available flu vaccines, and I have never felt so awful in my entire life. Hoped I could die but knew even though I felt that awful I was going to survive. Eventually. Then when I recovered from the flu, I lasted one day with my hideously weakened immune system and promptly got a HORRIBLE strep throat, and was laid up flat for another 2 weeks. And that's why I make sure I get vaccinated for everything I need or even potentially COULD need! I also am old enough to have been vaccinated for smallpox, so if that ever crops up, heaven forbid, I'll be one of the few old people nursing everyone else. You can thank me when that happens for appreciating what my parents did for me.
PETER JOHNSON 6 years ago
I have an idea... take parental classes, get educated on medicine that has been proven successful for the last decade or so, and stop trying to be the “unique parent” acting like you have high IQ when in all reality, I can confidently say you should go back to elementary and high school. Please share the College degree you received as well. It’s obvious the admissions group was paid off to let you in.
Kajsa Temple 6 years ago
I was vaccinated and got chicken pox, that's nothing compared to this. I would rather be afraid of shingles as I'm getting older, to this.
Pani Trakovická 6 years ago
We had the same with whooping cough. My daugher is vaccinated, that’s why she coughed only about 2 months and didn’t vomit or get blue in face or die. I decided then to get revaccinated myself.
Tamarra Greenman 6 years ago
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Whooping cough creates asymptomatic carriers with the vaccine. Look up the studies. Its not about trusting Drs its about looking at peer reviewed studies for yourself and actually reading the vaccine insert sheets from the manufacturer like you would do with any drug
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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@Pani: You're a special sort of stupid, aren't you? This is why the Darwin Awards exist in the first place!
Anne Glare 6 years ago
That's the whole point...if you do get them, you get a milder form of the disease and you don't die from it.
Colette Walsh 6 years ago
I live in Belfast N.Ireland. We , were all vaccinated yet caught measles and chicken pox, for us it was days off school, not a serious illness. Be Wise Vaccinate!
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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I totally understand the measles vaccine. But there's a lot of debate over the chicken pox innoculation. Why? 1) No mortality rate in adults, extremely low among kids and elderly 2) VZV is introduced, Shingles later in life 3) Shingles comes out with a reduced immune system, not because of communicability (no 'heard immunity' argument) 4) Shingles innoculations are then recommended, but FDA guidance has varied I have no VZV in my system. This means I (age 45) have to get the chicken pox first, before I can get the Shingles. If I do, then of course, I will get the Shingles innoculation from then on out. But there's a growing amount of evidence that a subset of the population can naturally keep the VZV out of their system, so introducing it artificially actually increases risks. Especially since Shingles is virtually non communicable, and the mortality rate of the chicken pox is extremely low, and usually only due to complications in combination (with much higher morality illnesses).
Emily 6 years ago
I do hope that you don't get chicken pox later in life, because it's supposed to be much worse in adults than in children. :( I caught chicken pox when I was at school and gave it to my dad, who had never had it before. For the record, I also had shingles at the grand old age of 21! This is following a bout of actual chicken pox as a child, not a chicken pox vaccine.
Reginald Joseph 6 years ago
I had a horrible case of chicken pox as a child, got a horrible case of shingles last year--if I'd been elderly, I'm sure I would have died.
diane a 6 years ago (edited)
@ Petya - Chicken pox is more severe the older you are. This is why in pre-vaccination times parents would intentionally allow their young children to contract it "get it over with". We had "chicken pox parties" where all the kids were all over each other for the afternoon parents knowing one child was contagious. Mum could be ready and prepared to deal with the pox within a week or so - rather than waiting for years.Somehow I didnt get mine until age 13 - caught from my 7 yr old brother - I was way more ill than him
Peta_C 6 years ago
My two children and I had chicken pox last year. All vaccinated. They had a rather mild dose though mine was very intense and attacked my optic nerve resulting in vision loss in one eye for 2+months. There was a definite outbreak in our area. Thank would assume these types of results could warrant a vaccine.
Laeinea HotS 6 years ago
As the mother of a child who survived leukemia (diagnosed at 18 months) I will tell you the one specific reason that there should be a CP vaccine. People with no immune system. Children who are suffering auto-immune or other diseases that reduce their immunity can die because they can't be vaccinated themselves. My daughter in particular was very lucky, she was exposed to chicken pox by accident 2 weeks after her last chemo session had 92% body coverage, and it spread internally. Had she not had just enough time for the steroids to rebuild her immune system somewhat we would have lost her. As it stood the CP virus weakened her lungs enough that she had to also suffer 3 bouts of pneumonia in the successive months following 2 of which were touch and go. I would much rather her be at risk for shingles later in life (or shockingly get vaxxed for them..) than have CP run rampant
Petya 6 years ago
When I was a child, the chicken pox vaccine wasn't mandatory here, so I haven't got it. I caught chicken pox at 25, because my grandpa got shingles. His case was a bit atypical - it was on his head and affected mostly his eyes, so they didn't realize what it was for days and I helped him put eye drops and I got chicken pox because I was in contact with him. Fortunately, mine was a light case. But if it was up to me I would have preferred not to have VZV in my system, as chicken pox wasn't so bad, but shingles is terrible. My grandpa had a high chance to go blind, it was miracle he didn't and he said the pain was terrible and didn't go away for months, even after the rash was long gone.
Petya 6 years ago
@Laeinea, Sorry that you had to go through this.I hope your daughter is fully recovered and well now. This tread made me check and it seems the vaccine for chicken pox still isn't easily available in my country, for shingles too. If you want them, you have to get them from neighboring countries. @diane, mine was a very light case, even compared to children - no fever, not so many blisters, for a 25 year old I was super lucky. Surprisingly I haven't caught it earlier, I remember there were outbreaks a few times when I was a kid.
Jodi Bean 6 years ago
There's no study because the people who received the chicken pox vaccinations aren't old yet. Shingles vaccine is only 4x a chicken pox vaccine. & there are rare instances where people are completely immune to certain diseases. I'm not 100% sure what it's called or which diseases. But, maybe you can't get any type of herpes. & yes every1 reading this chicken pox & shingles are herpes. Herpes zoster & herpes simplex.
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
BTW, this is based on talking to no less than 3 doctors. I've been tested twice for VZV, and don't have it. Again, because of the virtually nil mortality rate among adults, and the extremely low rate among children and the elderly who only die when they are fighting something with a much higher mortality rate in combination, and the fact that I will never get the Shingles without it, which is far more of a mortality issue, especially at age, they don't think I should get it either. It comes up every time I'm asked if I've had a Shingles innoculation, and I have to tell them I don't have VZV in my system. The technicians babble the same BS, but the RNs and definitely all MDs have to say, "Oh, he's been tested and doesn't have VZV. There's no reason to introduce it at his age. If he ever gets the Chicken Pox, then he can start the Singles innoculations, but he may have a natural ability to keep VZV out of his system. It's better if it's not in his system, at his age."
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Lilybean 6 years ago
On Christmas Eve 1951 my 3 year old brother died in an iron lung from Polio. Within 5 years the amazing Salk Bros had developed the vaccine and literally polio was banished from the USA because adults had experienced what happens when there is no vaccine and the entire country was either getting shots, or later on, the sugar cubes which were infused with the life saving substance. My dear Mom would have loved to have a chat with the stupid rubes who think it is just fine to play Russian Roulette with their children’s lives.
Lilybean 6 years ago
Mea Culpa for the horrendous run-on sentence in my post - this entire anti-vax cult of freakazoid parents makes me see red and forget punctuation!
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Janet Taylor 6 years ago
Recently somebody told me she was fine without the Polio vaccine because of how long it has not been a problem. I pointed out this is because of the vaccine, but my attempts at logic were rejected.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Try telling her the rest of the world has NOT eradicated polio, and with international travel being so prevalent, some returning businessman would inadvertently bring the germ back. *HE* won't get it, because he's been vaccinated, but she could. She hasn't bred, has she?
Susan Heilman 6 years ago
My father died of Polio too. Iron lung for weeks. They didn't have a vaccine then. Wish they had.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
My mother would have the baseball bat next to your mother. We have almost lost the generation who remembers pre-vaccines, which is why we have idiots like this a*****e with her mouth open and her mind shut. "But it's got to be the vaccine's fault! I feed my child healthy, and my genes are good!" Feh!
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a vaccine against Polio, and others that 'cure,' and many innoculations that don't cure, let alone stay dormant, and even introduce things into the body that work differently than a lot of diseases that are eradicated. As much as I cannot stand the anti-vaxxers, there is Big Pharma out there pushing every innoculation that comes across. And people saying everything is safe just gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition. I mean, we've had cases where the CDC was promoting things while the FDA yanked 1 (or more) options of the market because of risk factors slowly discovered. I mean, VZV (Chicken Pox, which causes Shingles later in life) is not the same as Polio, for example.
Jennifer Gingras 6 years ago
If I am understanding you correctly, I have to say that the chickenpox vaccine has not been shown to cause shingles later in life. Having had Chickenpox does. The vaccine only came out in 1995. People who e had the vaccine haven’t even hit “later in life.” But I do get your point. People are made to believe that vaccines are 100% successful, and then if it isn’t, they think they’ve been lied to, so vaccines must be bad. If doctors and nurses just explained that some vaccines may just significantly reduce the symptoms of the disease, at least they wouldn’t feel lied to. But for the record, I am 100% pro vaccines! I’m a NICU nurse. We had a baby on our unit who dies because the grandma gave the baby Whooping cough. 😢
Mike Strand 6 years ago (edited)
Anti-vaxxers should be charged with child endangerment. They essentially started this movement of, "I'm entitled to my own opinion (alternate facts, anyone?) and need a life, so I'm going to ignore science and facts and risk my kids' health for the benefit of my own narcissistic self-aggrandizment."
Robyn Gardam 6 years ago
Anti-vaxxers should be made to go get educated, or face losing their kids. It’s ridiculous that a disease that was eradicated is back because some people believe in b******t. If I get the bloody shingles because some dipshit didn’t vaccinate their kid I’ll be suing the parents for reckless endangerment! 😡
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Noah Wolfson 6 years ago
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Shingles is on the increase because of the chicken pox vaccine you moron.
Ammon McQueen 6 years ago
You are right, we don’t let extremist Islam detonate bombs because it’s their constitutional right to act according to their beliefs. In most democratic countries there’s a little clause that stipulates so long as it does not harm others. I don’t know why vaccinations aren’t legally mandatory because not being vaccinated causes more wide-spread harm than a bomb going off in a crowded public place. Antivaxers rights be damned if it means endangering our families.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
And they will be the same people who milk their child's death for all the sympathy they can get, while suing their child's doctor for everything he's ever made.
Tyler Self 6 years ago
> They essentially started this movement of, "I'm entitled to my own opinion..." Oh, you mean religion? The anti-intellectual movement has been running for a long time now, anti-vaxxers are just a recent breed.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Two different sets of closed-minded idiots. You have the 'my god tells me faith can heal' and the 'my gut tells me vaccines are bad/big pharma/conspiracy' types. Both should not be allowed to breed.
Tim 6 years ago
@chris kelley it isn't hard to accept. Lots of things have risk, different people react to things differently. If I have to have a brain tumor removed, there is damn well a risk I might be killed in the process or come out of it with brain damage. I'm not gonna call the medical professionals trying to save my life evil because they can't completely eliminate risk. If you are asserting that vaccine producers WANT to hurt people, provide your evidence for that assertion, because something having risk does not mean the risk is intentional.
chris kelley 6 years ago
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No they have looked at the evil behind this This is what is hard to acceopt . Why would these vaccines be harmful in the first place? Know one can wrap their minds around the possibility that there may be something nefarious behind the vaccines. It is so in our faces yet a lot can't see . What about the golden globes stunt when they gave out vaccines during the show to the audience live? You don't think that was weird at all?
chris kelley 6 years ago
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Please step back. There is a bigger picture to all of this . What is the agenda ? Who profits form all of this? What are anti vaxxers getting /? Whistleblowers? They are not getting any richer. Why does my dr. refuse to get a flu shot?
Tim 6 years ago
"They are not getting any richer. Why does my dr. refuse to get a flu shot?" I don't bother to get a flu shot and I support vaccination, not sure what relevance your doctor not getting one has... I was injected with a bunch of stuff by the Army back in the day, havent had so much as a sniffle since. I might grow a third arm somewhere down the road, but hey, its been great so far. and vaccines make up about 2% of the total revenue for pharmaceutical companies, you people act like its their primary source of revenue.
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But who makes that decision? I understand measles. I understand many things. But not all innoculations have the combination of communicability *AND* mortality rates to justify. At some point it's really up to doctors and their recommendations. And people seem to be ignoring that. Especially since the anti-vaxxers can point to some actual cases of Big Pharma getting school boards to distribute, only for the FDA to yank it.
Jennifer Gingras 6 years ago
It is NOT up to the doctor. It is up to the parents. I feel that the CDC needs to decide which diseases have the potential to become an epidemic, and those vaccines should be mandatory unless the child can’t have it for some reason. But they’ll never do that, because they would be sued for every bad reaction, no matter how rare they are. If someone’s kid gets cellulitis, the parents would sue. So kids are just at the mercy of their ignorant parents.
Pamela24 6 years ago
Seriously, though - do these parents really not think of the possibility of their child getting the illness? And you know...a back up solution for it? It's like - I don't want them to get vaccinated because it's bad and if they get sick the plan B is...eh, I didn't think that far... Poor little girl. P. S. Pretty hilarious replies these were nevertheless.
Катерина Булатова 6 years ago
most of the people have never seen people suffer from the diseases kids are vaccinated from, so they have zero idea how BAD it really can get very fast. How it can leave children barren and deaf, and paralysed, and, well, dead. The irony is that people forgot what all those diseases look like because of the efficiency of the vaccines.
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Rachael Thorp 6 years ago
Yes! They are also depending on/reaping the benefits of herd immunity from most of the people around them being vaccinated. :(
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Every anti-vaxxer should be sentenced to spend 6 months caring for children and adults who are afflicted with the problems resulting from disease. 24/7, no time off. They have to provide all care (except skilled medical.) A long time ago I spent a month dealing with a rubella child at a summer camp for the disabled. Almost blind, almost deaf, unable to speak properly, and given to sudden outbursts of rage. To keep him from harming others or himself, I'd just wrap myself around him on the ground like a human straightjacket until he wore himself out, then we'd just go on like nothing ever happened. Nobody should have to live like that.
Dawn Cam 6 years ago
a lot of they antivaxxers think measles is no worse than the common cold. Had one today say it wasn't ever deadly and it's a mild disease. Slapped her with CDC statistics about how deadly and destructive it actually is. Guess who never replied to those facts? People who refuse to vaxx for no good reason don't need to have kids.
Tim 6 years ago
They are conspiracy theorists. It's almost pointless to discuss. How can you have a rational debate when they dismiss any of your evidence as "deep state big pharma conspiracy". The vast majority of these people will never come around until they are actually affected by one of the diseases that vaccines are designed to prevent.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Remove the kids permanently--there re plenty of *intelligent* people who want to adopt--and sterilize them so they can't endanger another child!
Lucinda Overhoussen 6 years ago (edited)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47153817 This strain has a kill rate of 20%
chris kelley 6 years ago
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The truth is coming out do your research FOllow the money
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But what about innoculations for things that have virtually no mortality rate, but introduce issues at age? E.g., VZV, which comes with Chicken Pox. It would be one thing if it was just to build some immunity against the Chicken Pox, but once VZV is introduced into the body, Shingles are possible, and very probable every time the immune system is weakened. That's why people, even if they've had the Chicken Pox innoculation, still need Shingles innoculations like everyone else. It's to minimize the effect of the virus, which doesn't leave your body ... ever. It's all about mortality v. risk, and it's very much debated in the medical community right now. I know, I'm 45 and I have no VZV in my system. It's rare to find people like me, but I will never have any complications added with Shingles. I still have to get Chicken Pox first, and even in the elderly, it's mortality rate is very, very small. If I ever do, then yes, I would get Shingles innoculations. But every doctor agrees.
Petya 6 years ago
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No idea why they down-vote you, you are right. We don't have a lot mandatory vaccines here (Bulgaria), maybe 6-7 different types and chicken pox isn't one of them, it wasn't even popular here when I was a kid. I have all the mandatory ones and I am for vaccinating for severe infectious diseases, but not for absolutely everything. Maybe when I am old I would vaccinate for flu, but now I prefer not to, it doesn't cover all types of flu anyway, so I can still get it, even if I am vaccinated.
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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Pam, this is FAKE. But it sounds like you're dumb enough to swallow any load off the Internets so good luck with that. Vaccines suck DONG.
Stevie Kapp 6 years ago
WTF!?!? Do they understand dogs and their history and nutritional needs! Good grief Charlie Brown!!! Get snoopy some good raw meat and for God sake, let him in the house...
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It's worse for cats. Dogs are actually omnivores; they can handle vegetables, too. (The key word being omnivore; they need both.) Cats do not have the metabolism to process vegetation, and will go blind--and worse--on a vegan diet.
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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Oh STFU and take your meds. Dogs can be vegan and vaccines are sheer filth that maim and kill children and adults. Autism is off the charts. Some kids are severely damaged by that garbage.
Carol L Nicol 6 years ago
That's a thing. I've been vegetarian, myself, for almost 20 years now. I was vegan part of that time. But my cats are obligate carnivores and I've never considered feeding them a vegan diet, because I like my cats to be alive and healthy :)
Jonathan Carmichael 6 years ago
Unfortunately... I just read a story about a vet that gave a verbal beatdown to a vegan idiot that waa forcing her dog to be one as well.
Jonathan Carmichael 6 years ago
https://www.distractify.com/animals/2016/06/23/Z2gq2aX/vegan-dog-owner-gets-owned
ZombieGirl5591 6 years ago
Is this the same woman who asked how to get her dog to stop growling at her abusive toddler?
blugeagua 6 years ago
We don’t even know if the parent of the dog was a woman, BP just assumed even though there was no evidence on what gender the person was.
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Pol Macqueron 6 years ago
"Unvaccinated children are like dark humor... they never get old" that one killed me like an unvaccinated child My Gosh this was indeed so cathartic!
Ricki Becker 6 years ago
I am glad you find this amusing, but I have a compromised immune system and should I come into contact with her unvaccinated kid, I could get very sick and /or die!!!
Aileen Skilling Pierce 6 years ago
Same situation as Ricki Becker!! I have to take a chemo drug daily that suppresses my immune system...the fact that they run around unvaccinated scares me. Perhaps the anti-vaxxers and their unvaccinated progeny should be secluded to their own desert community or Gilligan's Isle-type place in peace to enjoy whatever disease or plague that comes their way.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
It's a dark humor for a reason. Do you seriously think this stupid female will take any advice except from equally vapid other anti-vaxxers? Nobody else does, either--they're trying to shock her into thinking (and getting vaccines for her spawn) like doctors shock a heart into working again. The intelligent people know how vunerable you are; the ones like the anti-vaxxer *don't care*. If you read Scifi, check out Anne McCaffrey's Practical Darwinists (The Ship WHo Searched, if I remember correctly. Brainship series.)
Gary Smith 6 years ago
That was my favorite, I LOLed and repeated it for my GF.
Load More Replies... Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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You don't get out much, eh?
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Julie Radcliffe 6 years ago
This bedtime reading has relaxed me I’ll surly sleep well after finishing laughing at all the creative comments.
hobbitly 6 years ago
'Dont get too attached' hahahahhaha. These replies are the best. I wonder what she decided to do.
Misterscooter 6 years ago
She probably decided to trust the underwhelming evidence against vaccines.
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@Chris Kelly, Nice job pointing to a study that was redacted https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-two-studies-purporting-to-show-that-vaccinated-children-are-sicker-than-unvaccinated-children-show-nothing-of-the-sort/ If you are redacted on an open source journal, you know your work is absolutely trash
Tim 6 years ago
@Damien Coté It's pointless to point out when BS studies have been debunked. They don't care, they will just scream that any falsification is a deep state big pharma conspiracy. I can't tell you how many people on articles like this STILL cite the Wakefield study on articles like this as if they are dropping some titanic knowledge bomb.
Hattusa Hittite 6 years ago
She's afraid that vaccinating your child makes you a liberal and then that child would grow up opening the border to rapist Mexicans.
Joe Clarke 6 years ago
Probably smoked some weed and took some of the joke-suggestions seriously.
chris kelley 6 years ago
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OH like this report Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Mawson Homeschooled Study Reveals Who is Sicker Children's Medical Safety Research Institute http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook This is a valid study
Josip Gale 6 years ago
@chris kelley... "assessed their overall health based on their mothers' reports" is not a study. If you want a _proper_ study, there are two of them - covering more than two million children - saying the rate of autism is the same in vaccinated and unvaccinated groups. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
"Autism was discovered before vaccines were available." Now correlate them. What stupid people!
826WLR 6 years ago
She is someone seeking medical advice for her child on facebook.....she may just eat two tide pods and chase them with bleach as advised. This winner is clearly not a critical thinker.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
She should have done that before she got pregnant. It would have been better for the kid!
Monika Soffronow 6 years ago
I had the measles when I was six years old, before the measles vaccine was available, and I remember two things from it. One is drifting in and out of fever hallucinations and the other is banging my heels on the wooden footboard of my parents' bed to try to get relief from the terrible itching. How's that for "pain relief"? If you even as much as like your children, vaccinate them!
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
I was 17 before the MMR vaccine was available--and when it came on the market, my doctor and my mother made sure I got them all. More to the point, I was 18 months old before the polio vaccine was released. I think my mother broke every speed limit getting me to my pediatrician--because she'd seen children with polio. Anti-vaxxers are too stupid to live. Unfortunately, it's not THEIR lives they're playing Russian Roulette with.
diane a 6 years ago
Makes me wonder how many antivax parents would under-report measles symptoms until it became desperate. And how many antivax parents would be proud of their slightly autistic child's special talents whilst denying they were even on the spectrum.
Simon Pedoe 6 years ago
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Eunice Probert 6 years ago
My daughter was vaccinated and still got measles and chicken pox. But, she got them so lightly it was ridiculous! Scarcely ill at all.
Nicole Benoit 6 years ago
And that's the whole point ! Nothing is 100% guaranteed but your body now has those antibodies to kno to fight, making everything mite tolerable. The flu is a virus and guess what, that's why there isn't a cure for it or the common cold. They mutate. But at least if you get it, you're not feeling like death for a week and a half and/or being hospitalized.
Load More Replies... Whawhawhatsis 6 years ago
A week and a half? Try a MONTH. I came down with an awful case of flu nearly 40 years ago, I think before there were readily available flu vaccines, and I have never felt so awful in my entire life. Hoped I could die but knew even though I felt that awful I was going to survive. Eventually. Then when I recovered from the flu, I lasted one day with my hideously weakened immune system and promptly got a HORRIBLE strep throat, and was laid up flat for another 2 weeks. And that's why I make sure I get vaccinated for everything I need or even potentially COULD need! I also am old enough to have been vaccinated for smallpox, so if that ever crops up, heaven forbid, I'll be one of the few old people nursing everyone else. You can thank me when that happens for appreciating what my parents did for me.
PETER JOHNSON 6 years ago
I have an idea... take parental classes, get educated on medicine that has been proven successful for the last decade or so, and stop trying to be the “unique parent” acting like you have high IQ when in all reality, I can confidently say you should go back to elementary and high school. Please share the College degree you received as well. It’s obvious the admissions group was paid off to let you in.
Kajsa Temple 6 years ago
I was vaccinated and got chicken pox, that's nothing compared to this. I would rather be afraid of shingles as I'm getting older, to this.
Pani Trakovická 6 years ago
We had the same with whooping cough. My daugher is vaccinated, that’s why she coughed only about 2 months and didn’t vomit or get blue in face or die. I decided then to get revaccinated myself.
Tamarra Greenman 6 years ago
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Whooping cough creates asymptomatic carriers with the vaccine. Look up the studies. Its not about trusting Drs its about looking at peer reviewed studies for yourself and actually reading the vaccine insert sheets from the manufacturer like you would do with any drug
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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@Pani: You're a special sort of stupid, aren't you? This is why the Darwin Awards exist in the first place!
Anne Glare 6 years ago
That's the whole point...if you do get them, you get a milder form of the disease and you don't die from it.
Colette Walsh 6 years ago
I live in Belfast N.Ireland. We , were all vaccinated yet caught measles and chicken pox, for us it was days off school, not a serious illness. Be Wise Vaccinate!
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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I totally understand the measles vaccine. But there's a lot of debate over the chicken pox innoculation. Why? 1) No mortality rate in adults, extremely low among kids and elderly 2) VZV is introduced, Shingles later in life 3) Shingles comes out with a reduced immune system, not because of communicability (no 'heard immunity' argument) 4) Shingles innoculations are then recommended, but FDA guidance has varied I have no VZV in my system. This means I (age 45) have to get the chicken pox first, before I can get the Shingles. If I do, then of course, I will get the Shingles innoculation from then on out. But there's a growing amount of evidence that a subset of the population can naturally keep the VZV out of their system, so introducing it artificially actually increases risks. Especially since Shingles is virtually non communicable, and the mortality rate of the chicken pox is extremely low, and usually only due to complications in combination (with much higher morality illnesses).
Emily 6 years ago
I do hope that you don't get chicken pox later in life, because it's supposed to be much worse in adults than in children. :( I caught chicken pox when I was at school and gave it to my dad, who had never had it before. For the record, I also had shingles at the grand old age of 21! This is following a bout of actual chicken pox as a child, not a chicken pox vaccine.
Reginald Joseph 6 years ago
I had a horrible case of chicken pox as a child, got a horrible case of shingles last year--if I'd been elderly, I'm sure I would have died.
diane a 6 years ago (edited)
@ Petya - Chicken pox is more severe the older you are. This is why in pre-vaccination times parents would intentionally allow their young children to contract it "get it over with". We had "chicken pox parties" where all the kids were all over each other for the afternoon parents knowing one child was contagious. Mum could be ready and prepared to deal with the pox within a week or so - rather than waiting for years.Somehow I didnt get mine until age 13 - caught from my 7 yr old brother - I was way more ill than him
Peta_C 6 years ago
My two children and I had chicken pox last year. All vaccinated. They had a rather mild dose though mine was very intense and attacked my optic nerve resulting in vision loss in one eye for 2+months. There was a definite outbreak in our area. Thank would assume these types of results could warrant a vaccine.
Laeinea HotS 6 years ago
As the mother of a child who survived leukemia (diagnosed at 18 months) I will tell you the one specific reason that there should be a CP vaccine. People with no immune system. Children who are suffering auto-immune or other diseases that reduce their immunity can die because they can't be vaccinated themselves. My daughter in particular was very lucky, she was exposed to chicken pox by accident 2 weeks after her last chemo session had 92% body coverage, and it spread internally. Had she not had just enough time for the steroids to rebuild her immune system somewhat we would have lost her. As it stood the CP virus weakened her lungs enough that she had to also suffer 3 bouts of pneumonia in the successive months following 2 of which were touch and go. I would much rather her be at risk for shingles later in life (or shockingly get vaxxed for them..) than have CP run rampant
Petya 6 years ago
When I was a child, the chicken pox vaccine wasn't mandatory here, so I haven't got it. I caught chicken pox at 25, because my grandpa got shingles. His case was a bit atypical - it was on his head and affected mostly his eyes, so they didn't realize what it was for days and I helped him put eye drops and I got chicken pox because I was in contact with him. Fortunately, mine was a light case. But if it was up to me I would have preferred not to have VZV in my system, as chicken pox wasn't so bad, but shingles is terrible. My grandpa had a high chance to go blind, it was miracle he didn't and he said the pain was terrible and didn't go away for months, even after the rash was long gone.
Petya 6 years ago
@Laeinea, Sorry that you had to go through this.I hope your daughter is fully recovered and well now. This tread made me check and it seems the vaccine for chicken pox still isn't easily available in my country, for shingles too. If you want them, you have to get them from neighboring countries. @diane, mine was a very light case, even compared to children - no fever, not so many blisters, for a 25 year old I was super lucky. Surprisingly I haven't caught it earlier, I remember there were outbreaks a few times when I was a kid.
Jodi Bean 6 years ago
There's no study because the people who received the chicken pox vaccinations aren't old yet. Shingles vaccine is only 4x a chicken pox vaccine. & there are rare instances where people are completely immune to certain diseases. I'm not 100% sure what it's called or which diseases. But, maybe you can't get any type of herpes. & yes every1 reading this chicken pox & shingles are herpes. Herpes zoster & herpes simplex.
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
BTW, this is based on talking to no less than 3 doctors. I've been tested twice for VZV, and don't have it. Again, because of the virtually nil mortality rate among adults, and the extremely low rate among children and the elderly who only die when they are fighting something with a much higher mortality rate in combination, and the fact that I will never get the Shingles without it, which is far more of a mortality issue, especially at age, they don't think I should get it either. It comes up every time I'm asked if I've had a Shingles innoculation, and I have to tell them I don't have VZV in my system. The technicians babble the same BS, but the RNs and definitely all MDs have to say, "Oh, he's been tested and doesn't have VZV. There's no reason to introduce it at his age. If he ever gets the Chicken Pox, then he can start the Singles innoculations, but he may have a natural ability to keep VZV out of his system. It's better if it's not in his system, at his age."
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Lilybean 6 years ago
On Christmas Eve 1951 my 3 year old brother died in an iron lung from Polio. Within 5 years the amazing Salk Bros had developed the vaccine and literally polio was banished from the USA because adults had experienced what happens when there is no vaccine and the entire country was either getting shots, or later on, the sugar cubes which were infused with the life saving substance. My dear Mom would have loved to have a chat with the stupid rubes who think it is just fine to play Russian Roulette with their children’s lives.
Lilybean 6 years ago
Mea Culpa for the horrendous run-on sentence in my post - this entire anti-vax cult of freakazoid parents makes me see red and forget punctuation!
Load More Replies... Janet Taylor 6 years ago
Recently somebody told me she was fine without the Polio vaccine because of how long it has not been a problem. I pointed out this is because of the vaccine, but my attempts at logic were rejected.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Try telling her the rest of the world has NOT eradicated polio, and with international travel being so prevalent, some returning businessman would inadvertently bring the germ back. *HE* won't get it, because he's been vaccinated, but she could. She hasn't bred, has she?
Susan Heilman 6 years ago
My father died of Polio too. Iron lung for weeks. They didn't have a vaccine then. Wish they had.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
My mother would have the baseball bat next to your mother. We have almost lost the generation who remembers pre-vaccines, which is why we have idiots like this a*****e with her mouth open and her mind shut. "But it's got to be the vaccine's fault! I feed my child healthy, and my genes are good!" Feh!
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between a vaccine against Polio, and others that 'cure,' and many innoculations that don't cure, let alone stay dormant, and even introduce things into the body that work differently than a lot of diseases that are eradicated. As much as I cannot stand the anti-vaxxers, there is Big Pharma out there pushing every innoculation that comes across. And people saying everything is safe just gives the anti-vaxxers ammunition. I mean, we've had cases where the CDC was promoting things while the FDA yanked 1 (or more) options of the market because of risk factors slowly discovered. I mean, VZV (Chicken Pox, which causes Shingles later in life) is not the same as Polio, for example.
Jennifer Gingras 6 years ago
If I am understanding you correctly, I have to say that the chickenpox vaccine has not been shown to cause shingles later in life. Having had Chickenpox does. The vaccine only came out in 1995. People who e had the vaccine haven’t even hit “later in life.” But I do get your point. People are made to believe that vaccines are 100% successful, and then if it isn’t, they think they’ve been lied to, so vaccines must be bad. If doctors and nurses just explained that some vaccines may just significantly reduce the symptoms of the disease, at least they wouldn’t feel lied to. But for the record, I am 100% pro vaccines! I’m a NICU nurse. We had a baby on our unit who dies because the grandma gave the baby Whooping cough. 😢
Mike Strand 6 years ago (edited)
Anti-vaxxers should be charged with child endangerment. They essentially started this movement of, "I'm entitled to my own opinion (alternate facts, anyone?) and need a life, so I'm going to ignore science and facts and risk my kids' health for the benefit of my own narcissistic self-aggrandizment."
Robyn Gardam 6 years ago
Anti-vaxxers should be made to go get educated, or face losing their kids. It’s ridiculous that a disease that was eradicated is back because some people believe in b******t. If I get the bloody shingles because some dipshit didn’t vaccinate their kid I’ll be suing the parents for reckless endangerment! 😡
Load More Replies... Noah Wolfson 6 years ago
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Shingles is on the increase because of the chicken pox vaccine you moron.
Ammon McQueen 6 years ago
You are right, we don’t let extremist Islam detonate bombs because it’s their constitutional right to act according to their beliefs. In most democratic countries there’s a little clause that stipulates so long as it does not harm others. I don’t know why vaccinations aren’t legally mandatory because not being vaccinated causes more wide-spread harm than a bomb going off in a crowded public place. Antivaxers rights be damned if it means endangering our families.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
And they will be the same people who milk their child's death for all the sympathy they can get, while suing their child's doctor for everything he's ever made.
Tyler Self 6 years ago
> They essentially started this movement of, "I'm entitled to my own opinion..." Oh, you mean religion? The anti-intellectual movement has been running for a long time now, anti-vaxxers are just a recent breed.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Two different sets of closed-minded idiots. You have the 'my god tells me faith can heal' and the 'my gut tells me vaccines are bad/big pharma/conspiracy' types. Both should not be allowed to breed.
Tim 6 years ago
@chris kelley it isn't hard to accept. Lots of things have risk, different people react to things differently. If I have to have a brain tumor removed, there is damn well a risk I might be killed in the process or come out of it with brain damage. I'm not gonna call the medical professionals trying to save my life evil because they can't completely eliminate risk. If you are asserting that vaccine producers WANT to hurt people, provide your evidence for that assertion, because something having risk does not mean the risk is intentional.
chris kelley 6 years ago
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No they have looked at the evil behind this This is what is hard to acceopt . Why would these vaccines be harmful in the first place? Know one can wrap their minds around the possibility that there may be something nefarious behind the vaccines. It is so in our faces yet a lot can't see . What about the golden globes stunt when they gave out vaccines during the show to the audience live? You don't think that was weird at all?
chris kelley 6 years ago
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Please step back. There is a bigger picture to all of this . What is the agenda ? Who profits form all of this? What are anti vaxxers getting /? Whistleblowers? They are not getting any richer. Why does my dr. refuse to get a flu shot?
Tim 6 years ago
"They are not getting any richer. Why does my dr. refuse to get a flu shot?" I don't bother to get a flu shot and I support vaccination, not sure what relevance your doctor not getting one has... I was injected with a bunch of stuff by the Army back in the day, havent had so much as a sniffle since. I might grow a third arm somewhere down the road, but hey, its been great so far. and vaccines make up about 2% of the total revenue for pharmaceutical companies, you people act like its their primary source of revenue.
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But who makes that decision? I understand measles. I understand many things. But not all innoculations have the combination of communicability *AND* mortality rates to justify. At some point it's really up to doctors and their recommendations. And people seem to be ignoring that. Especially since the anti-vaxxers can point to some actual cases of Big Pharma getting school boards to distribute, only for the FDA to yank it.
Jennifer Gingras 6 years ago
It is NOT up to the doctor. It is up to the parents. I feel that the CDC needs to decide which diseases have the potential to become an epidemic, and those vaccines should be mandatory unless the child can’t have it for some reason. But they’ll never do that, because they would be sued for every bad reaction, no matter how rare they are. If someone’s kid gets cellulitis, the parents would sue. So kids are just at the mercy of their ignorant parents.
Pamela24 6 years ago
Seriously, though - do these parents really not think of the possibility of their child getting the illness? And you know...a back up solution for it? It's like - I don't want them to get vaccinated because it's bad and if they get sick the plan B is...eh, I didn't think that far... Poor little girl. P. S. Pretty hilarious replies these were nevertheless.
Катерина Булатова 6 years ago
most of the people have never seen people suffer from the diseases kids are vaccinated from, so they have zero idea how BAD it really can get very fast. How it can leave children barren and deaf, and paralysed, and, well, dead. The irony is that people forgot what all those diseases look like because of the efficiency of the vaccines.
Load More Replies... Rachael Thorp 6 years ago
Yes! They are also depending on/reaping the benefits of herd immunity from most of the people around them being vaccinated. :(
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Every anti-vaxxer should be sentenced to spend 6 months caring for children and adults who are afflicted with the problems resulting from disease. 24/7, no time off. They have to provide all care (except skilled medical.) A long time ago I spent a month dealing with a rubella child at a summer camp for the disabled. Almost blind, almost deaf, unable to speak properly, and given to sudden outbursts of rage. To keep him from harming others or himself, I'd just wrap myself around him on the ground like a human straightjacket until he wore himself out, then we'd just go on like nothing ever happened. Nobody should have to live like that.
Dawn Cam 6 years ago
a lot of they antivaxxers think measles is no worse than the common cold. Had one today say it wasn't ever deadly and it's a mild disease. Slapped her with CDC statistics about how deadly and destructive it actually is. Guess who never replied to those facts? People who refuse to vaxx for no good reason don't need to have kids.
Tim 6 years ago
They are conspiracy theorists. It's almost pointless to discuss. How can you have a rational debate when they dismiss any of your evidence as "deep state big pharma conspiracy". The vast majority of these people will never come around until they are actually affected by one of the diseases that vaccines are designed to prevent.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
Remove the kids permanently--there re plenty of *intelligent* people who want to adopt--and sterilize them so they can't endanger another child!
Lucinda Overhoussen 6 years ago (edited)
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47153817 This strain has a kill rate of 20%
chris kelley 6 years ago
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The truth is coming out do your research FOllow the money
Bryan Smith 6 years ago
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But what about innoculations for things that have virtually no mortality rate, but introduce issues at age? E.g., VZV, which comes with Chicken Pox. It would be one thing if it was just to build some immunity against the Chicken Pox, but once VZV is introduced into the body, Shingles are possible, and very probable every time the immune system is weakened. That's why people, even if they've had the Chicken Pox innoculation, still need Shingles innoculations like everyone else. It's to minimize the effect of the virus, which doesn't leave your body ... ever. It's all about mortality v. risk, and it's very much debated in the medical community right now. I know, I'm 45 and I have no VZV in my system. It's rare to find people like me, but I will never have any complications added with Shingles. I still have to get Chicken Pox first, and even in the elderly, it's mortality rate is very, very small. If I ever do, then yes, I would get Shingles innoculations. But every doctor agrees.
Petya 6 years ago
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No idea why they down-vote you, you are right. We don't have a lot mandatory vaccines here (Bulgaria), maybe 6-7 different types and chicken pox isn't one of them, it wasn't even popular here when I was a kid. I have all the mandatory ones and I am for vaccinating for severe infectious diseases, but not for absolutely everything. Maybe when I am old I would vaccinate for flu, but now I prefer not to, it doesn't cover all types of flu anyway, so I can still get it, even if I am vaccinated.
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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Pam, this is FAKE. But it sounds like you're dumb enough to swallow any load off the Internets so good luck with that. Vaccines suck DONG.
Stevie Kapp 6 years ago
WTF!?!? Do they understand dogs and their history and nutritional needs! Good grief Charlie Brown!!! Get snoopy some good raw meat and for God sake, let him in the house...
Load More Replies... Karen Klinck 6 years ago
It's worse for cats. Dogs are actually omnivores; they can handle vegetables, too. (The key word being omnivore; they need both.) Cats do not have the metabolism to process vegetation, and will go blind--and worse--on a vegan diet.
Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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Oh STFU and take your meds. Dogs can be vegan and vaccines are sheer filth that maim and kill children and adults. Autism is off the charts. Some kids are severely damaged by that garbage.
Carol L Nicol 6 years ago
That's a thing. I've been vegetarian, myself, for almost 20 years now. I was vegan part of that time. But my cats are obligate carnivores and I've never considered feeding them a vegan diet, because I like my cats to be alive and healthy :)
Jonathan Carmichael 6 years ago
Unfortunately... I just read a story about a vet that gave a verbal beatdown to a vegan idiot that waa forcing her dog to be one as well.
Jonathan Carmichael 6 years ago
https://www.distractify.com/animals/2016/06/23/Z2gq2aX/vegan-dog-owner-gets-owned
ZombieGirl5591 6 years ago
Is this the same woman who asked how to get her dog to stop growling at her abusive toddler?
blugeagua 6 years ago
We don’t even know if the parent of the dog was a woman, BP just assumed even though there was no evidence on what gender the person was.
Load More Replies... Pol Macqueron 6 years ago
"Unvaccinated children are like dark humor... they never get old" that one killed me like an unvaccinated child My Gosh this was indeed so cathartic!
Ricki Becker 6 years ago
I am glad you find this amusing, but I have a compromised immune system and should I come into contact with her unvaccinated kid, I could get very sick and /or die!!!
Aileen Skilling Pierce 6 years ago
Same situation as Ricki Becker!! I have to take a chemo drug daily that suppresses my immune system...the fact that they run around unvaccinated scares me. Perhaps the anti-vaxxers and their unvaccinated progeny should be secluded to their own desert community or Gilligan's Isle-type place in peace to enjoy whatever disease or plague that comes their way.
Karen Klinck 6 years ago
It's a dark humor for a reason. Do you seriously think this stupid female will take any advice except from equally vapid other anti-vaxxers? Nobody else does, either--they're trying to shock her into thinking (and getting vaccines for her spawn) like doctors shock a heart into working again. The intelligent people know how vunerable you are; the ones like the anti-vaxxer *don't care*. If you read Scifi, check out Anne McCaffrey's Practical Darwinists (The Ship WHo Searched, if I remember correctly. Brainship series.)
Gary Smith 6 years ago
That was my favorite, I LOLed and repeated it for my GF.
Load More Replies... Aditi Starling 6 years ago
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You don't get out much, eh?
Load More Replies... Julie Radcliffe 6 years ago
This bedtime reading has relaxed me I’ll surly sleep well after finishing laughing at all the creative comments.
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