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“We Face A Tangible Threat”: Scientists Speak About “Zombie Viruses” That Could Spark Pandemic
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“We Face A Tangible Threat”: Scientists Speak About “Zombie Viruses” That Could Spark Pandemic

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Melting Arctic ice in Siberia may release ancient “zombie” viruses, posing a potential global health crisis, leading scientists have recently warned. Geneticist Jean-Michel Claverie, professor emeritus of medicine and genomics at Aix-Marseille University, told The Guardian: “We now face a tangible threat, and we need to be prepared to deal with it. It is as simple as that.”

Highlights
  • Melting Arctic ice in Siberia may release ancient “zombie” viruses, posing a potential global health crisis
  • Permafrost is any ground that remains completely frozen, 32°F (0°C) or colder, for at least two years straight
  • Experts have been collaborating with the University of the Arctic on organizing a surveillance network to help minimize a potential outbreak
  • The zombie viruses, scientifically recognized as Methuselah microbes, are capable of remaining viable for tens of thousands of years encased in the frozen soil

The World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) has already reported that the Arctic’s average temperature has risen at a rate three times higher than the global average and is the region with the highest rate of average temperature change.

Image credits: Jean-Michel Claverie/IGS/CNRS-AM

Experts have reportedly been collaborating with the University of the Arctic, an international educational and research cooperative, on organizing a surveillance network to assist with determining cases of diseases caused by the ancient micro-organisms, as early as possible, to avoid their spread spiraling out of control, the New York Post reported.

The monitoring network would supply quarantine facilities and medical services for those potentially infected by those zombie viruses to help minimize a potential outbreak, including preventing contagious patients from leaving the region, as per The Post.

The zombie viruses, scientifically recognized as Methuselah microbes, are reportedly capable of remaining viable for tens of thousands of years encased in the frozen soil, which covers nearly 20% of the Earth’s northern hemisphere.

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Professor Claverie said: “The crucial part about permafrost is that it is cold, dark, and lacks oxygen, which is perfect for preserving biological material.

“You could put a yogurt in permafrost, and it might still be edible 50,000 years later.”

According to NASA, permafrost is any ground that remains completely frozen, 32°F (0°C) or colder, for at least two years straight.

Image credits: James Cheney

The geneticist also explained that the disappearance of Arctic sea ice, caused by global warming, posed a massive risk to human health, and added: “That is allowing increases in shipping, traffic, and industrial development in Siberia.

“Huge mining operations are being planned and are going to drive vast holes into the deep permafrost to extract oil and ores.

“Those operations will release vast amounts of pathogens that still thrive there. Miners will walk in and breathe the viruses. The effects could be calamitous.”

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Scientists reportedly believe that the deepest layers of permafrost could be preserving viruses that inhabited the Earth up to a million years ago, meaning long before humans’ most ancient ancestors, who are believed to have made their first appearance on the planet some 300,000 years ago.

As a result, if there were to be a zombie virus outbreak, we would have no natural immunity to defend ourselves against it.

Professor Claverie explained: “Our immune systems may have never been in contact with some of those microbes, and that is another worry.

“The scenario of an unknown virus once infecting a Neanderthal coming back at us, although unlikely, has become a real possibility.”

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A lot of mystery surrounds the extinction of Neanderthals, with hypotheses including violence, transmission of diseases from modern humans to which Neanderthals had no immunity, competitive replacement, extinction by interbreeding with early modern human populations, natural catastrophes, climate change, and inbreeding depression.

Despite the chances of such prehistoric organisms breaking out of their frozen habitat in the most remote regions of Earth to start a new global pandemic remaining unlikely, virologists believe there’s at least some room for concern, as per The Post.

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Virologist Marion Koopmans of the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam revealed: “We don’t know what viruses are lying out there in the permafrost, but I think there is a real risk that there might be one capable of triggering a disease outbreak, say of an ancient form of polio.

“We have to assume that something like this could happen.”

“Here we go again,” a reader quipped

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Moosy Girl
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You might wanna mention somewhere that they call them zombie viruses NOT because they’re gonna make people into zombies and start the zombie apocalypse, but because the viruses themselves are being ‘resurrected’. *rolls eyes*

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Fred L.
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Meanwhile there could be the alternative interpretation of being named so because we only have to face that problem thanks to lots of braindead people.

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Becky Samuel
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is very alarmist journalism. Yes, there are scientists researching the subject, but it is a niche problem and is considered one of the least likely sources of a pandemic problem. Having proper procedures in place for a worst case scenario does not mean that the scenario is considered likely. The most likely problem is going to be pockets of anthrax released by the millions of dead animals that are frozen in the ice. If these animals are thawed, the anthrax can spread to animals in the local area and wipe out substantial numbers. This is already happening and is a major concern for wild reindeer and saiga populations.

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Michael MacKinnon
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed -- there's also the presence of other factors to make something the next pandemic: large numbers of people engaged in intensive exploitation of a given biome (so a disease makes the animal-to-human and human-to-human jumps), and high volume travel to spread a novel pathogen. Permafrost regions have neither of these, so while zombie viruses are a potential risk, there are others that I would rank higher.

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You stole that from Robocop
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If these zombie viruses are looking for brains they'll be disappointed by a large portion of humanity

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Jasmijn
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This isn’t news, it’s been around at least three years. This is fear mongering.

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LaserBrain
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just put "zombie" in front of "virus" and you have my attention. All you need now is "apocalypse."

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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Animal viruses making the jump to people are far more likely. Great article here, I've linked to it before: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/08/next-pandemic-bird-flu-mink-farms-transmission

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Ed Vergara
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are these the same idiots who couldn't stay indoors for 2 weeks during the pandemic?

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Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

ALready happened in Russia about seven or eight years ago. An ancient strain of Anthrax thawed out in Siberia and wiped out the reindeer herds.

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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is just plain stupidity and fear mongering. Viruses survive one day at normal temperatures. Yes, I suppose if a cave man sneezed in crazy-cold weather, you could flash-freeze the virus in a way that doesn't destroy it. But then it has to enter a human's bloodstream immediately after melting. It's vaguely plausible. But these stories (and I've heard them in more reputable places) leave you to imagine that these viruses are going to be spreading across the tundra waiting for a human to stumble across them. Not gonna happen.

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Shelli Aderman
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The methuselah bacteria are also found in current soil, water, and other organic matter. 🙄

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

fear mongering. this story has appeared every year for at least a decade now, I remember hearing about it when I was still in college so...

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PeepPeep the duck
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed I’ve seen the article on and off since 2003. But it’s still a possibility I guess, just not one I’m worried about

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Sergio Bicerra
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If we face a zombie pandemic or outbreak i'm followong Zombieland guidelines. Can't tell if there's another one with better decisions.

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Menacing Duck
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oohhh great. Just what I needed: Another pandemic

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Manny
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just in time too. The election is right around the corner. How convenient huh?

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Justin Tyme
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, better hurry and get Doctor Fauci to arrange funding for gain-of-function research at a Chinese lab.

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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You might wanna mention somewhere that they call them zombie viruses NOT because they’re gonna make people into zombies and start the zombie apocalypse, but because the viruses themselves are being ‘resurrected’. *rolls eyes*

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Fred L.
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Meanwhile there could be the alternative interpretation of being named so because we only have to face that problem thanks to lots of braindead people.

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Becky Samuel
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is very alarmist journalism. Yes, there are scientists researching the subject, but it is a niche problem and is considered one of the least likely sources of a pandemic problem. Having proper procedures in place for a worst case scenario does not mean that the scenario is considered likely. The most likely problem is going to be pockets of anthrax released by the millions of dead animals that are frozen in the ice. If these animals are thawed, the anthrax can spread to animals in the local area and wipe out substantial numbers. This is already happening and is a major concern for wild reindeer and saiga populations.

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Michael MacKinnon
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed -- there's also the presence of other factors to make something the next pandemic: large numbers of people engaged in intensive exploitation of a given biome (so a disease makes the animal-to-human and human-to-human jumps), and high volume travel to spread a novel pathogen. Permafrost regions have neither of these, so while zombie viruses are a potential risk, there are others that I would rank higher.

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You stole that from Robocop
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If these zombie viruses are looking for brains they'll be disappointed by a large portion of humanity

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Jasmijn
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This isn’t news, it’s been around at least three years. This is fear mongering.

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LaserBrain
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just put "zombie" in front of "virus" and you have my attention. All you need now is "apocalypse."

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Head_on_a_Stick
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Animal viruses making the jump to people are far more likely. Great article here, I've linked to it before: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/08/next-pandemic-bird-flu-mink-farms-transmission

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Ed Vergara
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Are these the same idiots who couldn't stay indoors for 2 weeks during the pandemic?

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Ray Ceeya (RayCeeYa)
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

ALready happened in Russia about seven or eight years ago. An ancient strain of Anthrax thawed out in Siberia and wiped out the reindeer herds.

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The Original Bruno
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is just plain stupidity and fear mongering. Viruses survive one day at normal temperatures. Yes, I suppose if a cave man sneezed in crazy-cold weather, you could flash-freeze the virus in a way that doesn't destroy it. But then it has to enter a human's bloodstream immediately after melting. It's vaguely plausible. But these stories (and I've heard them in more reputable places) leave you to imagine that these viruses are going to be spreading across the tundra waiting for a human to stumble across them. Not gonna happen.

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Shelli Aderman
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The methuselah bacteria are also found in current soil, water, and other organic matter. 🙄

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

fear mongering. this story has appeared every year for at least a decade now, I remember hearing about it when I was still in college so...

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PeepPeep the duck
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed I’ve seen the article on and off since 2003. But it’s still a possibility I guess, just not one I’m worried about

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Sergio Bicerra
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If we face a zombie pandemic or outbreak i'm followong Zombieland guidelines. Can't tell if there's another one with better decisions.

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Menacing Duck
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oohhh great. Just what I needed: Another pandemic

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Manny
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just in time too. The election is right around the corner. How convenient huh?

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Justin Tyme
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow, better hurry and get Doctor Fauci to arrange funding for gain-of-function research at a Chinese lab.

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