Employees Stop Going Above And Beyond At Work And Join “Quiet Quitting” Trend, But Bosses Are Not Happy
Quiet quitting! You may have heard your colleagues whispering about it by the water cooler or seen HR reading up on it. And if you haven’t, don’t worry about it: it’s a pretty fresh trend and you’re about to find out why the idea has gone viral around the globe. In short, more and more people are realizing that their jobs are completely meaningless. Suffering from burnout and not really seeing the point of it all, instead, they’re choosing to do the bare minimum at work.
That means less overtime (if any!), actually resting during your breaks, and putting yourself first. It’s very similar to the Chinese trend of ‘tang ping’ (aka ‘lying flat’). In other words, though you’re not literally quitting your job, you’re quitting the idea of reaching higher, going above and beyond, and exceeding expectations. Because, in many people’s opinions, it’s just not worth it. You do enough to get by; you clock out and go live your life. No more hustle culture, no working late, no stressing out over vague projects and possible promotions. You do what you’re paid to do.
Bored Panda has collected the most powerful reactions to quiet quitting from all over social media and the internet to share with you, including from TikTok, Twitter, Reddit, (that sometimes weird place known as) LinkedIn, and beyond. Scroll down, have a read, and let us know what you think of QQ, and the fiery debate surrounding it, dear Pandas.
Bored Panda wanted to get to grips with quiet quitting and what it’s all about a bit better, so we reached out to workplace expert Lynn Taylor, the author of ‘Tame Your Terrible Office Tyrant: How to Manage Childish Boss Behavior and Thrive in Your Job’ and the head of the fashion brand ‘Behind the Buckle.’ She told us that the trend is one of “the most interesting developments in workplace trends,” and that it’s been “bubbling up over time” for a few reasons.
There’s a new work trend that more and more employees are becoming aware of. It’s called quiet quitting, and it’s started a heated debate online
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“For one, during the pandemic people of all generations, but particularly Gen Z, realized there is more to life than a job. Remote work allowed people to see more appealing aspects of life and smell the roses, with less of a rigid schedule. Paradoxically, the pandemic also blurred the lines between work and personal life enough where work entrenched itself in the home—and therefore consumed more of one’s waking hours,” she said.
“The combination of more personal flexibility… along with a dark blanket of working 24/7 was a recipe for corporate pushback. All in all, the pandemic illustrated to many that the ‘life’ part of ‘work-life balance’ was much more meaningful,” the expert told Bored Panda. Scroll down to read our full interview with Lynn and how different people interpret the trend and why finding meaning in your work is so important.
People have been discussing the trend on TikTok and social media, helping spread the idea even more
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Here’s what one TikToker had to say about quiet quitting
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According to workplace expert Lynn, there’s another factor that led to the rise of quiet quitting as a trend. “Younger generations have watched their overachieving parents allow work stress to consume them. They don’t understand the notion that working endlessly for them has been a badge of honor,” she told Bored Panda.
“In the broader sense, this workplace trend is understandable because, for so many decades, hustle was king. Baby boomers have been iconic of this belief system. It’s not surprising that a priority shift is occurring in reaction to the excesses of work. That said, it’s a matter of gaining control and boundaries,” the expert said.
Lynn noted that quiet quitting can be interpreted in several ways. “If the trend were renamed, ‘The New Boundary Setting,’ it would sound much more palatable. If you’re now able to set boundaries that protect your mental and physical health, then quiet quitting just means being prudent. It’s a helpful way to operate if you tend to be an overachiever, too. The mentality of giving less could actually bring you to a healthier level of work ethic; more within the bell curve,” she explained to Bored Panda.
“At the other extreme, is a segment of quiet quitters who are standing up to anything that requires extra effort. And sometimes you have to put in extra time to get the job done, not to mention get ahead. If being a quiet quitter means you have pent-up anger towards business and society putting too much emphasis on work, and you rigidly refuse to work beyond the call, that can hurt your career. That’s especially true in a recessionary period, where unemployment is higher,” she noted that there different ways how people approach quiet quitting.
“The final factor is that the job market has been relatively strong in the last few years. That fueled the Great Resignation and less employee loyalty. Workers are standing their ground in general. Leaner times could change all that.”
Workplace expert Lynn pointed out that when employees can’t find purpose or meaning in their jobs, productivity and the economy both suffer. “It has more serious ramifications than seen at face value. Workers need to feel they’re contributing to a larger purpose, especially today. Otherwise, it’s human nature to do the minimum required. Employee engagement begins with your job search. Now more than ever, workers need to find jobs that resonate with them,” she said.
“Not enough attention has been placed on the impact your boss and coworkers have on engagement. As I suggest in my book, ‘Tame Your Terrible Office Tyrant: How to Manage Childish Boss Behavior and Thrive in Your Job,’ employees don’t leave jobs, they leave people. The people with whom you work must inspire you. But you are responsible to find the right opportunity… and to keep building on it.”
According to Lynn, more money doesn’t always mean more satisfaction at work. “While the Great Resignation has been an opportunity for greener pastures and employee pushback, ironically more money has not always equated to more engagement or contentment at work. There has been significant evidence that among those who joined this contingent, there have been regrets. Hence the importance of focusing on the people factor when seeking happiness in your job.”
Some people took issue with the term itself and thought that it’s just literally doing the job you’re paid to do and setting healthy boundaries
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Meanwhile, Bored Panda also wanted to get the workplace expert’s opinion about how employees can deal with the fact their work lives might feel mundane and as though they’re on repeat.
“When work lives are mundane, the primary person who can change that is the employee. If every day seems like the movie Groundhog Day, then clearly it’s time to do something different. That might mean deploying skill sets that can help the company but have not been tapped or even changing jobs. It’s helpful to volunteer for projects that you would enjoy and let your manager know of the range of skills you possess,” Lynn suggested how workers can tackle this problem.
“Finally, people go to work for more than a paycheck. Ideally, you should feel like you’re learning from your boss and they’re helping you feel challenged. Employees can also learn from colleagues. A deeper connection than zoom calls and staff meetings is required. Work life will seem more satisfying when relationships with colleagues are productive and enjoyable.”
Meanwhile, others suggested changing the name of the trend to something that fits the spirit of the idea better
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Of course, quiet quitting doesn’t automatically mean that no jobs are meaningful or that you can’t be happy in whatever profession you’re in. However, it does point out that after more than two and a half years of the Covid-19 pandemic and the meaninglessness of many tasks and meetings, employees are mentally clocking out. They do not see the point of stressing out over jobs that don’t give them a sense of Purpose with a capital ‘P.’
When you’re overworked, unengaged, feel you like have no autonomy and can’t decide where your career might go, how can you expect to feel energized and ambitious about your position? The fact is that many workers simply don’t. And while purpose is generally a two-way street, the tasks themselves have to be meaningful: you can’t expect the employees to shoulder the entire burden of finding meaning where there’s none to begin with.
The idea of quiet quitting neatly ties in with anthropologist David Graeber’s playful insight that many modern jobs are complete and utter cow poo (we’re rephrasing a bit because social media doesn’t like ‘naughty’ words; thanks, Zuckerburg). According to him, there are millions of people, from consultants, telemarketers, and corporate lawyers to clerical workers, administrators, and service personnel, whose jobs are useless. And they know it!
The people doing these jobs can’t justify their existence but pretend that there’s some reason for them to exist. Though technology has advanced to the point where we could theoretically be free of the anachronism that is the 40-hour workweek, things have taken a different turn: useless positions have sprung up. Jobs that aren’t really needed and that leave the employees feeling hollow. Work isn’t just about keeping a roof over your head and putting food on the table. It can be spiritually and emotionally fulfilling.
Some social media users took the opportunity to point out the flaws in capitalism and hustle culture
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Financial expert Sam Dogen, the founder of Financial Samurai and the author of ‘Buy This, Not That,’ previously stressed to Bored Panda that it’s vital to take time off if you’re feeling burned out.
“Take sick days and mentally recharge. Don’t just think being ill is just a physical thing. There are plenty of mental illnesses. They are just not as visible. There is no better time than right now to take sick days due to the pandemic and the greater awareness of mental health issues. There is simply no shame in healing the mind!” he told us during an interview, earlier.
According to the financial expert, people like to brag about how much they work because they want validation, approval, respect. “Working long after your colleagues are gone means nobody will see your hard work. Hence, you need to tell people about it because the results often take time to manifest. The irony is, if you have great results, there’s no need to tell anybody how hard you work,” he said.
Sam was candid: it’s not enough to work hard; you have to work smart as well. And he said that if you have ambitions to get ahead in your career, you should do both while you still have lots of energy when you’re young. (Obviously, this doesn’t apply to anyone who doesn’t have any desire to have a corner office in a super fancy international company.)
“In your 20s and 30s you need to work BOTH smarter AND harder, especially if you are of average intelligence. The world is a brutally competitive place with some of the smartest people also working the hardest. So working long hours while you’re still young and learning is a matter of practicality,” the expert said that the competition is brutal.
“You can’t expect to go straight to the corner office without putting in your dues. At the same time, you can’t expect to outperform your peers simply through hard work. You have to be strategic by building a strong network of relationships internally and externally (clients) who will pull to get you promoted and help you get paid at your next job.”
The quiet quitting trend has had a wide range of responses online. Some professionals are very critical of QQ because they see it as a form of entitlement. However, others believe that QQ is simple realism: you do the amount of work you’re paid to do. Why work extra for free, when you don’t see any clear opportunities for growth in the future?
As a response to quiet quitting, some people thought it was vital to speak about ‘quiet firing’ as well
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However, on LinkedIn, quite a few professionals were critical of quiet quitting as a whole
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Some people argued that not everyone can afford to embrace the QQ trend and do the bare minimum. Marginalized groups, in particular, can’t afford to lose their jobs
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What do you think of quiet quitting, Pandas? How do you find meaning in your work? Have you embraced QQ already in one form or another? How do you maintain a healthy work/life balance? Do you think that QQ is a smart approach or do you find it questionable? Do you think that the trend is something new or is it just a rephrasing of healthy boundaries? Share your thoughts with us in the comments!
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Share on Facebook30 years ago when I entered the workforce - going "above & beyond" was rewarded with raises, bonuses, promotions, and new opportunities. That was how I moved from answering the phones to managing a team. More recently - extra effort reaps no significant reward. Employers ask for 110%, but don't compensate for it. The incentive to hustle is no longer there... I don't blame people for "just doing the job".
Same. That is how I got promoted as well, and annual bonuses, and job perks (like a tickets to football game or concert). Very few companies still do this and it sucks for the workers. I don't blame anyone for clocking out at the end of the day and turning off their phone.
Load More Replies...Quiet quitting sounds like a dumb made up guilt trip phrase. No doubt invited by the CEO’s who would rather make up stupid terms then give you a raise. Cause God forbid people get paid a living wage and have a life outside of work. 🙄 The phrase is dumb and misleading. Nobody wants to work 60 hrs anymore and have no time for a life. It’s not a good time. Been there done that and won’t ever again.
Good. I am glad people are setting boundaries. Hopefully gone are the days when companies stop making people do the jobs of 2-3 people without compensation.
I agree. When I hired a painter to paint my house, I did not also expect him to mow my lawn and clean my gutters. When I paid a plumber to fix my sink, I didn't demand he also regrout the shower and clean my oven. Corporations are getting a well deserved reality check. You don't deserve to get more than you pay for.
Load More Replies...I love how the C-suite denizens automatically assume that someone who isn't willing to work for free outside of the normal workday must also be slacking off during working hours. I'll bust my butt and be "engaged" for 8 hours, but when that whistle blows, I'm sliding right down that dinosaur's tail. That used to be normal. Oh, and if you don't give me an actual COLA, you can expect my effort to decrease by a similar percentage.
This used to be called "working to rule" it's something that unions in the UK (other countries maybe?) use as a tactic before a strike or in instances when a strike can't happen. Staff basically do what their contract states and nothing extra. A lot of industries run on the goodwill of their employees who will go the extra mile to ensure they can deliver the service expected by their customers/the country, in the case of public services. I think a lot of employers forget how much they owe their staff, they have consistently run with a skeleton staff by having one person doing the work of three and wages not matching that and promotions not going to those who deserve it.
Oh, yeah, all the CEOs in this post who are grumbling about workers not being ENTHUSIASTIC and INTERESTED should try living on minimum wage. Chris and Alexandra and you others, go get real jobs that require you to stand for 10 hours a day or drive trucks without air conditioning and see how JOYFUL you feel.
This comment should be higher. CEOs routinely OVER-ATTRIBUTE their success to hard work and talent, and significantly ignore chance and luck. Sorry bud, if you're C-suite... there's a 99% chance you go there through luck and connections, not because you put in 100,000 hours of work.
Load More Replies...The person who thinks that the "person next to you busting their tail" will earn more: lol. That's so cute. I was the person busting my tail for years, and all it got me was more work, not more money.
Employers should completely understand this. After all, their business goal is to make as much money as possible while delivering as little product or service as possible. Quiet quitters are doing the same.
What really gets me is that "joy joining" lady. Yeah, sure, might've worked for her, doing something she finds rewarding... but I imagine there are a lot of people whose meaningful activities are the kind that don't have a place in the job market.
The way to get more "joyful joining" jobs is to force employers to adapt their treatment of the employees to the future. I'm working in insurance - pretty boring, right? But my branch of the firm is trying a non-lead approach, where I can give the time needed to the case in front of me, therefore I'm actually feeling like I can help people get the appropriate service. It feels ten times more meaningful than when I was store manager in retail, and it was all about selling more and more to more and more people, and don't mind if it's school children with pocket money only, or someone who obviously doesn't have more money to spend. I enjoy "going to" work on Mondays (we're mostly still working from home), because I know my work reaps it's reward.
Load More Replies...Exactly. If my boss asks me to do something outside my scope, I say let me check with the union. And he backs off. Tenure and a union are all that sort of protect me.
Load More Replies...If workplaces respected boundaries, this phrase would have never been coined. I am a manager, I make an above averaged salary, and with the exception of few rare occasions (like two times years) with special projects, I work my scheduled hours and do not get called outside of those hours. My workplace respects me, my boundaries, and my personal time. This is why I have stayed at my current position for so long.
Quiet quitting sounds to me like youve packed up your desk and walked off the job without anyone noticing. But I understand the concept, and I think its past due. Employers want you to go above and beyond and do work outside of what you where hired for, with no incentive. At my job they dont even ask for volunteers to train new hires they just pick someone and except them to do it without compensation. I think this falls in line with the no one wants to work anymore bull c**p. People are willing to work, people are just no longer willing to do it with low pay, no benefits while being taken advantage of.
True. I had a wonderful one. But then I had one that was sociopathic and bipolar.
Load More Replies...The real problem is people are expected to give their all, and in return, they are given enough to just about survive. It's a form of slavery, why should anyone do it.
For sure the folks who are putting in the extra are the ones that will get the promotions etc., BUT that's only if management has ANY interest in promotion. I think many of these folks see people putting in plenty of extra hours with nothing to show for it except broken families and heartburn. If the company rewards effort, it will show. If not, it will also show.
I had to go back to work when my kidneys failed my doctor is awful at completing FMLA paperwork so I can be excused to go to appts so they are threatening to fire me over excessive absences. I'm pulling a 40 hour work week AND dialyzing for 9.5 hours at night, I just got married a month ago. I am exhausted from trying to fo it all.
should have a 'been quietly stealing' segment then, which outlines how many hours / labour cost that workers have done that the business hasn't paid for..
It took me years to get to the point that I set boundaries and realization that going above and beyond will not even get you "thank you". I do my job but once I did my hours I just leave, go home and not think about work until next day. I don't like the term "quiet quitting", we are not quitting, we are just doing what you payed us to do, if you want more you have to pay. There are too many people doing 3 people's job but being payed as one, and they end up with health issues.
I enforce strict work hours and make it clear that I don't work outside of them, but when I am at work, I put in my absolute best effort. Otherwise, I am wasting my life. You spend most of your life at a job. If you don't feel like you want to do the absolute best job possible (not "putting in the minimum effort") you are literally just wasting your time. If you're at a job that you feel like putting minimum effort in, you need to quit your job. If you're not in a financial position to do that, you need to work towards what you need to do to get a job that you will feel like doing your best in. People who put minimum effort in at the jobs also make their coworkers absolutely miserable.
I was taught this, that no matter what job you are doing, do it well. Take pride in yourself and your work. Though I have the bad back from it now, I can always say my side of the street is clean.
Load More Replies...To any employer who expects 80 hours of work for 40 hours salary, go do one. It’s one thing to stay a bit late to finish a task, it’s quite another to expect staff to check and reply to emails on their own time. So I work in the infrastructure team in my company’s IT dept. Recently management have been discussing implementation a new project management application. The question came up on who would manage it. One of the IT execs suggested me and my manager. My manager just outright refused. When asked why he explained that we are the infrastructure team and we won’t manage applications when there are other people in the dept who manage these things. Exec was disappointed but tough s**t. I am not going to give up my free time for nothing.
I went above and beyond at my former place, which shut down during the pandemic, and I did it not for my boss, but for a patrons that would come to swim there (YMCA swimming pool.) Well, when she started treating me like s**t for no reason, I stopped doing any favors for her. It felt so good telling her I couldn’t cover a shift, forcing her to lifeguard once. I also wasn’t going to re-up my certification, screwing her out of a lifeguard, but my job shut down before the certification was up, so I never got to do that. But telling her I couldn’t cover any shifts when I used to constantly was enough to get my message across, granted she started getting nastier, but I didn’t care.
"Quiet quitting"...what a joke. Which conglomerate came up with that? Years ago, companies recognized employees who did above and beyond with salary increases, promotions, etc. Now, employers couldn't care less about their employees- they just want their own bonuses so they can buy that second vacation home, that expensive car, that luxurious lifestyle at the *expense of* their employees. Covid-19 opened a lot of the working force eyes. I just hope they stay open.
That's what happened to me yesterday. A manager from another department asked to help them with interview several candidates. I have no problem with that, until she set the interview time from 7.30 a.m. to 11 a.m., then continue to 12.15 to 1.00 p.m., also 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. My working time is 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., with break time on 12 to 1 p.m. it's stated clearly on the contract. I politely declined 7.30 a.m. and 6 p.m. schedule one, even tried to offer them that I can compromise on 5 p.m. only. She tried to guilt trip me, saying that everyone is busy, and the candidates are busy too. I firmly said no. If they want my help, arrange the interviews during working time. I'm not going above and beyond because of someone's messy time management.
I wouldn't mind it as long as I'm getting paid for it. I mean one day with some overtime isn't gonna kill me. If it's an all the time thing, or always expected though, then no go, not without a raise anyway for extra services.
Load More Replies...This is dumb. Whoever came up with the phrase quiet quitting needs to use their time better. To say that this is a gen z and millennial thing is a load of c**p. Why is it they get the credit for coming up with something that was figured out by previous generations.
It really is just good boundary setting and recognizing the physical and mental benefits of balance. I've worked in corporate healthcare for the past 40yrs and noticed a definite change in the late '90's from extra effort and hours being rewarded with promotions, bonuses, and raises to literally just keeping your job. The market had it's first real contraction with healthcare corps. merging and staffs were downsized with the work being "redistributed" amongst those who remained. The reward? 12hr days plus weekends and a free turkey at the holidays. Bonuses were smaller or non-existent and raises decreased from 7-10% to 3-5%. Nothing balanced out and it's gotten worse instead of better in the '20's. The employee putting themselves first is not a huge surprise given the above and my understanding is that other business sectors are similar so again, not a surprise.
I was raised to not to make work my life. Interestingly enough, when I set and kept clear boundaries with my boss about the daily work I'd do, 4 years later I'm making $10 an hour more for the same work.
Job descriptions have to be carefully analysed and read between the lines. After the "and this is what you'll do" comes the sly murmur at the bottom which states the successful candidate will be expected to "carry out other tasks as reasonably demanded by the Head of/manager". Oh and there may be some "out-of-hours and weekend work." Your energy is valuable otherwise corporations wouldn't crave it so much. A job description of your dream job isn't always the same thing.
The rest of the world has called this just working. You do what you are paid to the hours contracted and if they need more, they will pay for it.
I think it's time employers started taking responsibility for the performance of their teams. If you pay minimum wage, you need to expect minimum effort. If you treat your staff like numbers and not humans, expect them to quit at the next best opportunity. A fair wage and decent treatment should never be too much to ask.
I am from Europe. What's called "a trend" (quiet quitting, quiet vacationing) in the USA, is an obvious part of work culture in Europe. I don't want to brag here. I am happy Americans start to value their lives more than company's goals, but I have a question, dear Americans - why did your american dream last so briefly? How did you come to this toxic working culture, where you don't get proper medical care, maternity and paternity leaves, real benefits, at least 25 days of paid vacation, paid sick leave? I thought you were the land of freedom?
"Going above and beyond" does nothing for you other than more workload, more responsibilities, and the same pay as Junior next door. In fact it hurts your chances at promotion, because you've made yourself too valuable. If they have to hire two people to replace you if you were to get a promotion, you're not getting that promotion. The real way to get promoted is the peter principle. Be so incompetent they promote you to get you out of the department.
Oh and Arianna can go play in the street. How about you "joyfully join" another $20k to my pay and we'll talk about your "culture"
Load More Replies...These will be the first people cleansed when the very socialism they want finally gets implemented. It will be glorious to watch them purged, their own stupidity and lack of work ethic to blame.
"Quiet Quitting" sounds like an even more b******t term invented by some CEO to scare other CEOs than "Going Above and Beyond." It's NOT quitting! It's called realizing that you are not a Wage Slave! How about you use THAT term for your next boardroom meeting, overpaid and out of touch CEOs?
Lmfao, I earn 6 figures and I never did more than what I got paid for. I will not let anybody extort me. I like my work, I am good at it and I do my tasks. But if the 40 hours a week are not enough to do all, then some things will stay undone. This is not my fault, it's the fault of the cooperation for not designing the team structures well enough. You can't plan 50-60 hours of work into a 40 hour job and expect that to go well over a longer period of time.
should have a 'been quietly stealing' segment then, which outlines how many hours / labour cost that workers have done that the business hasn't paid for.
I feel bad for those who aren't eager on top of needing to set these boundaries I wish I could just come up with some grand solution. I don't want to live like this. This is terrifying. I want to travel I want to live. And instead I get 30im lunch breaks when the cafeteria is 10 away 😭🥺😩
I laugh when I hear people talking a bout this new concept. This whole idea is well know as "presentism" - you show up for work, do as little as you can get away with, then go home again. Stems from a lack of motivation and engagement. Not a new idea at all.
While there are certainly people out there who do exactly as you say - doing "as little as you can get away with" - I don't believe that is the point of this post. This sounds more like people who refuse to be taken advantage of by employers who try to extract every ounce of time and energy from its work force, without fair compensation. I think many people agree that, in the US at least, large corporations can do much better with regard to how it treats the employees who make them successful.
Load More Replies...As a supervisor, I WISH some of my workers would just come in, do the work they were asked to do, and go home. So often I feel like in their effort to impress me, they take on a lot of extra tasks I didn't ask them to do. Meanwhile the work I actually need them to do gets done carelessly, or is not finished on time. I think a lot of younger workers are so eager to move up and get promoted, they forget a lot of the basics in their effort to stand out.
My boss is itching to get out the door at 4:30! We take 30 min lunches so we can leave at 4:30 instead of 5pm. Sometimes it goes tits up but not often. He knows we work damn hard, and our company pushes for a better work/ life balance. Totally different to retail which nearly killed my mind and emotions, and requires you to come into work even when you are ill or have an injury when it's hard for you to stand up
Emotionally immature population under the spell of a cultural svengali.
30 years ago when I entered the workforce - going "above & beyond" was rewarded with raises, bonuses, promotions, and new opportunities. That was how I moved from answering the phones to managing a team. More recently - extra effort reaps no significant reward. Employers ask for 110%, but don't compensate for it. The incentive to hustle is no longer there... I don't blame people for "just doing the job".
Same. That is how I got promoted as well, and annual bonuses, and job perks (like a tickets to football game or concert). Very few companies still do this and it sucks for the workers. I don't blame anyone for clocking out at the end of the day and turning off their phone.
Load More Replies...Quiet quitting sounds like a dumb made up guilt trip phrase. No doubt invited by the CEO’s who would rather make up stupid terms then give you a raise. Cause God forbid people get paid a living wage and have a life outside of work. 🙄 The phrase is dumb and misleading. Nobody wants to work 60 hrs anymore and have no time for a life. It’s not a good time. Been there done that and won’t ever again.
Good. I am glad people are setting boundaries. Hopefully gone are the days when companies stop making people do the jobs of 2-3 people without compensation.
I agree. When I hired a painter to paint my house, I did not also expect him to mow my lawn and clean my gutters. When I paid a plumber to fix my sink, I didn't demand he also regrout the shower and clean my oven. Corporations are getting a well deserved reality check. You don't deserve to get more than you pay for.
Load More Replies...I love how the C-suite denizens automatically assume that someone who isn't willing to work for free outside of the normal workday must also be slacking off during working hours. I'll bust my butt and be "engaged" for 8 hours, but when that whistle blows, I'm sliding right down that dinosaur's tail. That used to be normal. Oh, and if you don't give me an actual COLA, you can expect my effort to decrease by a similar percentage.
This used to be called "working to rule" it's something that unions in the UK (other countries maybe?) use as a tactic before a strike or in instances when a strike can't happen. Staff basically do what their contract states and nothing extra. A lot of industries run on the goodwill of their employees who will go the extra mile to ensure they can deliver the service expected by their customers/the country, in the case of public services. I think a lot of employers forget how much they owe their staff, they have consistently run with a skeleton staff by having one person doing the work of three and wages not matching that and promotions not going to those who deserve it.
Oh, yeah, all the CEOs in this post who are grumbling about workers not being ENTHUSIASTIC and INTERESTED should try living on minimum wage. Chris and Alexandra and you others, go get real jobs that require you to stand for 10 hours a day or drive trucks without air conditioning and see how JOYFUL you feel.
This comment should be higher. CEOs routinely OVER-ATTRIBUTE their success to hard work and talent, and significantly ignore chance and luck. Sorry bud, if you're C-suite... there's a 99% chance you go there through luck and connections, not because you put in 100,000 hours of work.
Load More Replies...The person who thinks that the "person next to you busting their tail" will earn more: lol. That's so cute. I was the person busting my tail for years, and all it got me was more work, not more money.
Employers should completely understand this. After all, their business goal is to make as much money as possible while delivering as little product or service as possible. Quiet quitters are doing the same.
What really gets me is that "joy joining" lady. Yeah, sure, might've worked for her, doing something she finds rewarding... but I imagine there are a lot of people whose meaningful activities are the kind that don't have a place in the job market.
The way to get more "joyful joining" jobs is to force employers to adapt their treatment of the employees to the future. I'm working in insurance - pretty boring, right? But my branch of the firm is trying a non-lead approach, where I can give the time needed to the case in front of me, therefore I'm actually feeling like I can help people get the appropriate service. It feels ten times more meaningful than when I was store manager in retail, and it was all about selling more and more to more and more people, and don't mind if it's school children with pocket money only, or someone who obviously doesn't have more money to spend. I enjoy "going to" work on Mondays (we're mostly still working from home), because I know my work reaps it's reward.
Load More Replies...Exactly. If my boss asks me to do something outside my scope, I say let me check with the union. And he backs off. Tenure and a union are all that sort of protect me.
Load More Replies...If workplaces respected boundaries, this phrase would have never been coined. I am a manager, I make an above averaged salary, and with the exception of few rare occasions (like two times years) with special projects, I work my scheduled hours and do not get called outside of those hours. My workplace respects me, my boundaries, and my personal time. This is why I have stayed at my current position for so long.
Quiet quitting sounds to me like youve packed up your desk and walked off the job without anyone noticing. But I understand the concept, and I think its past due. Employers want you to go above and beyond and do work outside of what you where hired for, with no incentive. At my job they dont even ask for volunteers to train new hires they just pick someone and except them to do it without compensation. I think this falls in line with the no one wants to work anymore bull c**p. People are willing to work, people are just no longer willing to do it with low pay, no benefits while being taken advantage of.
True. I had a wonderful one. But then I had one that was sociopathic and bipolar.
Load More Replies...The real problem is people are expected to give their all, and in return, they are given enough to just about survive. It's a form of slavery, why should anyone do it.
For sure the folks who are putting in the extra are the ones that will get the promotions etc., BUT that's only if management has ANY interest in promotion. I think many of these folks see people putting in plenty of extra hours with nothing to show for it except broken families and heartburn. If the company rewards effort, it will show. If not, it will also show.
I had to go back to work when my kidneys failed my doctor is awful at completing FMLA paperwork so I can be excused to go to appts so they are threatening to fire me over excessive absences. I'm pulling a 40 hour work week AND dialyzing for 9.5 hours at night, I just got married a month ago. I am exhausted from trying to fo it all.
should have a 'been quietly stealing' segment then, which outlines how many hours / labour cost that workers have done that the business hasn't paid for..
It took me years to get to the point that I set boundaries and realization that going above and beyond will not even get you "thank you". I do my job but once I did my hours I just leave, go home and not think about work until next day. I don't like the term "quiet quitting", we are not quitting, we are just doing what you payed us to do, if you want more you have to pay. There are too many people doing 3 people's job but being payed as one, and they end up with health issues.
I enforce strict work hours and make it clear that I don't work outside of them, but when I am at work, I put in my absolute best effort. Otherwise, I am wasting my life. You spend most of your life at a job. If you don't feel like you want to do the absolute best job possible (not "putting in the minimum effort") you are literally just wasting your time. If you're at a job that you feel like putting minimum effort in, you need to quit your job. If you're not in a financial position to do that, you need to work towards what you need to do to get a job that you will feel like doing your best in. People who put minimum effort in at the jobs also make their coworkers absolutely miserable.
I was taught this, that no matter what job you are doing, do it well. Take pride in yourself and your work. Though I have the bad back from it now, I can always say my side of the street is clean.
Load More Replies...To any employer who expects 80 hours of work for 40 hours salary, go do one. It’s one thing to stay a bit late to finish a task, it’s quite another to expect staff to check and reply to emails on their own time. So I work in the infrastructure team in my company’s IT dept. Recently management have been discussing implementation a new project management application. The question came up on who would manage it. One of the IT execs suggested me and my manager. My manager just outright refused. When asked why he explained that we are the infrastructure team and we won’t manage applications when there are other people in the dept who manage these things. Exec was disappointed but tough s**t. I am not going to give up my free time for nothing.
I went above and beyond at my former place, which shut down during the pandemic, and I did it not for my boss, but for a patrons that would come to swim there (YMCA swimming pool.) Well, when she started treating me like s**t for no reason, I stopped doing any favors for her. It felt so good telling her I couldn’t cover a shift, forcing her to lifeguard once. I also wasn’t going to re-up my certification, screwing her out of a lifeguard, but my job shut down before the certification was up, so I never got to do that. But telling her I couldn’t cover any shifts when I used to constantly was enough to get my message across, granted she started getting nastier, but I didn’t care.
"Quiet quitting"...what a joke. Which conglomerate came up with that? Years ago, companies recognized employees who did above and beyond with salary increases, promotions, etc. Now, employers couldn't care less about their employees- they just want their own bonuses so they can buy that second vacation home, that expensive car, that luxurious lifestyle at the *expense of* their employees. Covid-19 opened a lot of the working force eyes. I just hope they stay open.
That's what happened to me yesterday. A manager from another department asked to help them with interview several candidates. I have no problem with that, until she set the interview time from 7.30 a.m. to 11 a.m., then continue to 12.15 to 1.00 p.m., also 6 p.m. to 7 p.m. My working time is 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., with break time on 12 to 1 p.m. it's stated clearly on the contract. I politely declined 7.30 a.m. and 6 p.m. schedule one, even tried to offer them that I can compromise on 5 p.m. only. She tried to guilt trip me, saying that everyone is busy, and the candidates are busy too. I firmly said no. If they want my help, arrange the interviews during working time. I'm not going above and beyond because of someone's messy time management.
I wouldn't mind it as long as I'm getting paid for it. I mean one day with some overtime isn't gonna kill me. If it's an all the time thing, or always expected though, then no go, not without a raise anyway for extra services.
Load More Replies...This is dumb. Whoever came up with the phrase quiet quitting needs to use their time better. To say that this is a gen z and millennial thing is a load of c**p. Why is it they get the credit for coming up with something that was figured out by previous generations.
It really is just good boundary setting and recognizing the physical and mental benefits of balance. I've worked in corporate healthcare for the past 40yrs and noticed a definite change in the late '90's from extra effort and hours being rewarded with promotions, bonuses, and raises to literally just keeping your job. The market had it's first real contraction with healthcare corps. merging and staffs were downsized with the work being "redistributed" amongst those who remained. The reward? 12hr days plus weekends and a free turkey at the holidays. Bonuses were smaller or non-existent and raises decreased from 7-10% to 3-5%. Nothing balanced out and it's gotten worse instead of better in the '20's. The employee putting themselves first is not a huge surprise given the above and my understanding is that other business sectors are similar so again, not a surprise.
I was raised to not to make work my life. Interestingly enough, when I set and kept clear boundaries with my boss about the daily work I'd do, 4 years later I'm making $10 an hour more for the same work.
Job descriptions have to be carefully analysed and read between the lines. After the "and this is what you'll do" comes the sly murmur at the bottom which states the successful candidate will be expected to "carry out other tasks as reasonably demanded by the Head of/manager". Oh and there may be some "out-of-hours and weekend work." Your energy is valuable otherwise corporations wouldn't crave it so much. A job description of your dream job isn't always the same thing.
The rest of the world has called this just working. You do what you are paid to the hours contracted and if they need more, they will pay for it.
I think it's time employers started taking responsibility for the performance of their teams. If you pay minimum wage, you need to expect minimum effort. If you treat your staff like numbers and not humans, expect them to quit at the next best opportunity. A fair wage and decent treatment should never be too much to ask.
I am from Europe. What's called "a trend" (quiet quitting, quiet vacationing) in the USA, is an obvious part of work culture in Europe. I don't want to brag here. I am happy Americans start to value their lives more than company's goals, but I have a question, dear Americans - why did your american dream last so briefly? How did you come to this toxic working culture, where you don't get proper medical care, maternity and paternity leaves, real benefits, at least 25 days of paid vacation, paid sick leave? I thought you were the land of freedom?
"Going above and beyond" does nothing for you other than more workload, more responsibilities, and the same pay as Junior next door. In fact it hurts your chances at promotion, because you've made yourself too valuable. If they have to hire two people to replace you if you were to get a promotion, you're not getting that promotion. The real way to get promoted is the peter principle. Be so incompetent they promote you to get you out of the department.
Oh and Arianna can go play in the street. How about you "joyfully join" another $20k to my pay and we'll talk about your "culture"
Load More Replies...These will be the first people cleansed when the very socialism they want finally gets implemented. It will be glorious to watch them purged, their own stupidity and lack of work ethic to blame.
"Quiet Quitting" sounds like an even more b******t term invented by some CEO to scare other CEOs than "Going Above and Beyond." It's NOT quitting! It's called realizing that you are not a Wage Slave! How about you use THAT term for your next boardroom meeting, overpaid and out of touch CEOs?
Lmfao, I earn 6 figures and I never did more than what I got paid for. I will not let anybody extort me. I like my work, I am good at it and I do my tasks. But if the 40 hours a week are not enough to do all, then some things will stay undone. This is not my fault, it's the fault of the cooperation for not designing the team structures well enough. You can't plan 50-60 hours of work into a 40 hour job and expect that to go well over a longer period of time.
should have a 'been quietly stealing' segment then, which outlines how many hours / labour cost that workers have done that the business hasn't paid for.
I feel bad for those who aren't eager on top of needing to set these boundaries I wish I could just come up with some grand solution. I don't want to live like this. This is terrifying. I want to travel I want to live. And instead I get 30im lunch breaks when the cafeteria is 10 away 😭🥺😩
I laugh when I hear people talking a bout this new concept. This whole idea is well know as "presentism" - you show up for work, do as little as you can get away with, then go home again. Stems from a lack of motivation and engagement. Not a new idea at all.
While there are certainly people out there who do exactly as you say - doing "as little as you can get away with" - I don't believe that is the point of this post. This sounds more like people who refuse to be taken advantage of by employers who try to extract every ounce of time and energy from its work force, without fair compensation. I think many people agree that, in the US at least, large corporations can do much better with regard to how it treats the employees who make them successful.
Load More Replies...As a supervisor, I WISH some of my workers would just come in, do the work they were asked to do, and go home. So often I feel like in their effort to impress me, they take on a lot of extra tasks I didn't ask them to do. Meanwhile the work I actually need them to do gets done carelessly, or is not finished on time. I think a lot of younger workers are so eager to move up and get promoted, they forget a lot of the basics in their effort to stand out.
My boss is itching to get out the door at 4:30! We take 30 min lunches so we can leave at 4:30 instead of 5pm. Sometimes it goes tits up but not often. He knows we work damn hard, and our company pushes for a better work/ life balance. Totally different to retail which nearly killed my mind and emotions, and requires you to come into work even when you are ill or have an injury when it's hard for you to stand up
Emotionally immature population under the spell of a cultural svengali.











































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