Person In Their 30s Keeps Avoiding Events When Friends’ Kids Are Involved, Gets Called A Selfish “Kid Hater”
While it is the 21st century and various social norms today are not the same as they used to be just several decades ago, there are still some that live on and are perpetuated by newer generations.
Actually, it’s a whole category of norms that relate to kids—you know, questions like ‘when are you gonna have kids?’ and things like the expectation that you must love any and all children irrespective of your personal feelings because how can you ever hurt a kid’s feelings?
Well, one Redditor recently shared how they were strategically avoiding kids for the better, but were soon ‘apprehended’ and blamed for hating them, when that was not the case. Far from it, in fact.
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Kids aren’t for everyone, and that’s OK, but despite that, some still follow certain kid-related social norms
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Reddit user u/hug-a-cat (great nickname no matter how you look at it) turned to the Am I The A-Hole community to find out if they were wrong to start avoiding events and gatherings with friends that would also have their kids attending, or deliberately arriving later, past the kids’ bedtime.
You see, OP is in their early 30s, meaning that many of their friends are settling down at this point and starting families. OP, however, isn’t thinking of going down that road because they don’t feel like they’re equipped to provide for a kid, but highlight that they do get along with children in general.
One Redditor recently turned to the AITA community to figure out if avoiding events with kids is wrong
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And, ultimately, they also assume that they have a choice in deciding whether to spend time around kids or not. But for the most part, putting on a kid-friendly face is tiresome for OP, as they are not always in the best of moods, let alone having sensory issues that make being among kids an intense experience. And this isn’t just because it’s draining for them, but also so as to avoid upsetting a kid. Or ten of them.
For this reason, they started approaching things tactically, attending events and gatherings in ways that avoid kids in general. But one couple with kids caught on pretty quickly. And instead of managing it like adults, they decided to play the blame game, accusing OP of hating kids, being selfish, and putting themselves above the happiness of the children.
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And, turns out, this was an opinion held my many of the Redditor’s friends, hence prompting the post on the Am I The A-Hole subreddit.
But, unlike their friends, Redditors were of a different opinion, as they collectively ruled them to be not the a-hole. Some related to their ADHD, explaining how they perfectly understand the feeling, further praising their understanding of boundaries, and drawing them appropriately, with respect.
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Others speculated the parents weren’t all too clear about their intentions, attempting to manipulate OP into being the ‘nanny’ at events, as kids were naturally drawn to them. Yet others expressed their disdain for such parenting, ‘forcing’ kids onto others.
No matter the reasons, everyone supported OP, and the post garnered a modest 3,985 upvotes (with 98% upvoted) as of this article, as well as a handful of Reddit awards and nearly 700 comments.
You can check out the entire post and all of its comments here. But what are your thoughts on this? Is OP wrong, is he right? Share your opinions and ideas in the comment section below!
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OP definitely needs new friends. The parents are 100% a-holes heres! I had to cut a friend out of my life who had a child because she would only talk about her kid, and if I would try to steer the conversation elsewhere she would get upset. After a couple of months I realized she never asked me about how I was doing (even though she knew I had to move and had just recieved a new diagnosis). Also whenever I mentioned something about being tired (I have chronic fatigue) she would just say "only a mom knows real tired!" like no Sarah. You know I have chronic fatigue.
I have Chronic Fatigue too. I get exhausted really quickly when dealing with chronic fatigue. I still have some old friends but now I got new friends who understand. I found some local support groups and met up with some new friends.
Load More Replies...I have an almost 2yo and a 4yo and I get that parents need breaks! Young kids are very draining. However, unless I'm paying you to entertain my kid, that isn't your responsibility. I think they are AH parents for not intervening and redirecting their kids.
I've got a 4yo and in no way would I ever EXPECT anyone else to entertain my kid unless they want to and ESPECIALLY NOT if they have ADHD or sensory issues. The parents are definitely the a**holes!
Load More Replies...NTA. I think OP had the right idea of avoiding situations where they knew they'd get overwhelmed and grumpy.
I've been deliberately avoiding situations where children could be present ever since I moved out of my parents' place and got to choose. Nobody ever called me out on it! But then, I guess my dislike of children is clear enough that nobody ever formed unrealistic expectations, which seems to be the problem here. WTF is up with parents who think that child-free adults will be delighted to listen to their children scream?
Load More Replies...I'm a very patient person and tend to be really good w kids and I have my own. However I have to be in the mood to be around kids too. They drain me pretty quick when they aren't mine. Any kid over the age of ten I'm all about it bc they can entertain themselves when I need a break. No one should have to forgo their boundaries for someone else
This is about the age where you encounter the sad realization that some of your friends have not just become parents, but they have become *nothing but parents.* OP wants to just hang out with his friends and not their kids, while his friends have now redefined their entire lives as being about their kids. They are tethered together and you have to accept them as a package. Of course this doesn't happen to all parents, but it's not unusual considering they have focused almost every waking hour for a few years on this role. Also, not liking kids (or having a very low tolerance threshold) is a perfectly acceptable opinion...but it may cost you some friendships.
God, I feel this comment in my very soul! What's really sad for me is that I have lost so many of my girl mates to motherhood and now most of the people I hang out with are guys. I don't have anything against men, but I just wish mums got to have a healthy balance, too. I don't know if they voluntarily do this to themselves or if my dad friends are just better at setting kid-free time.
Load More Replies...It's odd, but when I was growing up (long ago in a galaxy far, far away) I seem to recall that social events involving families assumed the kids would play together and stay out of the way, and the adults could chill. Parents now are expected to be super parents and begin to believe everyone else should feel the same as they do about their children. Not. No one is responsible for your children but you. And while I'm here...there is nothing miraculous about about having a child, it doesn't grant you special privileges. Anyone can have a child. Stupid, cruel and ignorant people have them everyday. So wake up, the world does not revolve around you and your kid. BluEyedSeolite you have it right. Intervening and redirecting is the answer.
Yes, I also recall playing with other kids and having little to do with the adults, but our memories may not be accurate as they were formed before our brains learned to perceive certain things. The reality is probably that we were screaming and disruptive, like all children of screaming age.
Load More Replies...The OP is pretty much me. Never wanted kids, but don’t hate them and I don’t tend to go places where lots of kids are present. Not everyone is head over heels in love with your kiddos. Some of these parents lose themselves and make their entire existence and identity around kids and parenthood and can’t seem to fathom that some people purposely don’t want to join that club. Those of us who are child free have our reasons and don’t owe anyone an explanation. I recommend he find more understanding friends.
Don't have kids, wanted kids but that ship has sailed and frankly by the time they'd reached adulthood the planet'd be fecked anyway. I digress. I'm a scary intimidating bloke but kids don't see it, my mates, with and without kids are always amazed that kids gravitate towards me for some reason and my God they're exhausting. One prime example, at a local food festival we were sitting on the grass drinking, I moved forward to pick something up and little blond girl about 5yo jumped on me and said giddyup, that was it, other kids saw what happened and joined in. I ended up with 6 kids crawling all over me trying to ride me, I had no idea who's kids they were, a couple of the mums very tentatively said "I'm so sorry, are you okay?", "Yeah, surprisingly this happens a fair bit". My mates were loads of help, killing themselves laughing while I'm doing donkey rides.
They like you because your yes means yes and your no means no. You don't put up with nonsense. Children feel secure around someone like that. They always know where they stand with you.
Load More Replies...I get really anxious with kids running around and find it's hard to talking to the parents bcuz their kids keep interrupting. One friend calls me but she spend more time calming down her kids than talking to me. You chose to be childless and can choose when you want to spend time with them. Don't let anyone bully you about it. My of my friends are past the baby making age so I only run into the occasional grandchildren and I can take only 1 or 2 at a time.
OP definitely needs new friends. The parents are 100% a-holes heres! I had to cut a friend out of my life who had a child because she would only talk about her kid, and if I would try to steer the conversation elsewhere she would get upset. After a couple of months I realized she never asked me about how I was doing (even though she knew I had to move and had just recieved a new diagnosis). Also whenever I mentioned something about being tired (I have chronic fatigue) she would just say "only a mom knows real tired!" like no Sarah. You know I have chronic fatigue.
I have Chronic Fatigue too. I get exhausted really quickly when dealing with chronic fatigue. I still have some old friends but now I got new friends who understand. I found some local support groups and met up with some new friends.
Load More Replies...I have an almost 2yo and a 4yo and I get that parents need breaks! Young kids are very draining. However, unless I'm paying you to entertain my kid, that isn't your responsibility. I think they are AH parents for not intervening and redirecting their kids.
I've got a 4yo and in no way would I ever EXPECT anyone else to entertain my kid unless they want to and ESPECIALLY NOT if they have ADHD or sensory issues. The parents are definitely the a**holes!
Load More Replies...NTA. I think OP had the right idea of avoiding situations where they knew they'd get overwhelmed and grumpy.
I've been deliberately avoiding situations where children could be present ever since I moved out of my parents' place and got to choose. Nobody ever called me out on it! But then, I guess my dislike of children is clear enough that nobody ever formed unrealistic expectations, which seems to be the problem here. WTF is up with parents who think that child-free adults will be delighted to listen to their children scream?
Load More Replies...I'm a very patient person and tend to be really good w kids and I have my own. However I have to be in the mood to be around kids too. They drain me pretty quick when they aren't mine. Any kid over the age of ten I'm all about it bc they can entertain themselves when I need a break. No one should have to forgo their boundaries for someone else
This is about the age where you encounter the sad realization that some of your friends have not just become parents, but they have become *nothing but parents.* OP wants to just hang out with his friends and not their kids, while his friends have now redefined their entire lives as being about their kids. They are tethered together and you have to accept them as a package. Of course this doesn't happen to all parents, but it's not unusual considering they have focused almost every waking hour for a few years on this role. Also, not liking kids (or having a very low tolerance threshold) is a perfectly acceptable opinion...but it may cost you some friendships.
God, I feel this comment in my very soul! What's really sad for me is that I have lost so many of my girl mates to motherhood and now most of the people I hang out with are guys. I don't have anything against men, but I just wish mums got to have a healthy balance, too. I don't know if they voluntarily do this to themselves or if my dad friends are just better at setting kid-free time.
Load More Replies...It's odd, but when I was growing up (long ago in a galaxy far, far away) I seem to recall that social events involving families assumed the kids would play together and stay out of the way, and the adults could chill. Parents now are expected to be super parents and begin to believe everyone else should feel the same as they do about their children. Not. No one is responsible for your children but you. And while I'm here...there is nothing miraculous about about having a child, it doesn't grant you special privileges. Anyone can have a child. Stupid, cruel and ignorant people have them everyday. So wake up, the world does not revolve around you and your kid. BluEyedSeolite you have it right. Intervening and redirecting is the answer.
Yes, I also recall playing with other kids and having little to do with the adults, but our memories may not be accurate as they were formed before our brains learned to perceive certain things. The reality is probably that we were screaming and disruptive, like all children of screaming age.
Load More Replies...The OP is pretty much me. Never wanted kids, but don’t hate them and I don’t tend to go places where lots of kids are present. Not everyone is head over heels in love with your kiddos. Some of these parents lose themselves and make their entire existence and identity around kids and parenthood and can’t seem to fathom that some people purposely don’t want to join that club. Those of us who are child free have our reasons and don’t owe anyone an explanation. I recommend he find more understanding friends.
Don't have kids, wanted kids but that ship has sailed and frankly by the time they'd reached adulthood the planet'd be fecked anyway. I digress. I'm a scary intimidating bloke but kids don't see it, my mates, with and without kids are always amazed that kids gravitate towards me for some reason and my God they're exhausting. One prime example, at a local food festival we were sitting on the grass drinking, I moved forward to pick something up and little blond girl about 5yo jumped on me and said giddyup, that was it, other kids saw what happened and joined in. I ended up with 6 kids crawling all over me trying to ride me, I had no idea who's kids they were, a couple of the mums very tentatively said "I'm so sorry, are you okay?", "Yeah, surprisingly this happens a fair bit". My mates were loads of help, killing themselves laughing while I'm doing donkey rides.
They like you because your yes means yes and your no means no. You don't put up with nonsense. Children feel secure around someone like that. They always know where they stand with you.
Load More Replies...I get really anxious with kids running around and find it's hard to talking to the parents bcuz their kids keep interrupting. One friend calls me but she spend more time calming down her kids than talking to me. You chose to be childless and can choose when you want to spend time with them. Don't let anyone bully you about it. My of my friends are past the baby making age so I only run into the occasional grandchildren and I can take only 1 or 2 at a time.






















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